Seeking Arrangements

[Pessimist]

I have been SA for a number of years. I disagree with the pricing info presented. First, I am patient. I indicate my interest to hundreds of girls, especially because I am seeking white or Latino girls in the 20-25 group that are slim and reasonably pretty faces. I tend to chat for sometime to get to know them. I'm sure some are lying and BS'ing but it is easy to get a sense of if they are total liars. A girl can't tell me she is studying Finance or Chemistry or Political Science at the local university in town and for me not to sniff out if she is a prostitute instead who never finished high school. I am not one of those who interrogate FKK girls when they say they are Spanish or Italian whether they are actually that, or Romies as they most likely are. But truth matters somewhat on SA. Anyway, between chatting on the site, texting later on phone, and meeting for a lunch, I get a good sense of the girl. I happen to be in a reasonably inexpensive city. Still large enough. The range is always 200 to 300. The only times I went above 300 was when I traveled outside my city, especially in the expensive ones like Boston. I gave the stunning Ukrainian girl 250 for example, and I spent nearly 6 hours each time we met. A couple of hours of sex, and the rest in restaurants, drinks etc. She was 22 and absolutely one of the most wonderful lovers I have ever had, true GFE. Unfortunately, she went back to her home after a few weeks but those were special weeks for me. Yes, many girls do ask for more but I politely decline. Some come back with a better offer, some may walk away. That's alright. The key to SA is to be patient. I cannot overemphasize that. You have all the time in the world. And there are plenty of girls. No single girl is a must do girl. Be polite, be firm, be prepared to walk away. With some girls I spent multiple platonic dates and felt really nice about them, and then prices did not match and I had to walk away. In those situations it can feel terrible because you feel like you made a connection. But I say, be firm and walk away. Stay with your pricing discipline.

I have never given any cash for a platonic date like first time meet and greet coffee. This is again one of those things I am very firm on.

The thing is that in your first few months, this can be frustrating. You may have a sense of urgency, that you did not close enough deals so to speak. Don't rush. You will live for a long time (god and corona willing). After you have been on SA for multiple years, you will accumulate a large number of contacts and things become easier.

Right now, things are horrible in the US. In the last few weeks, millions are losing jobs. Sugar babes are in absolute panic. I am being very cautious and not looking to meet, as I am not that young anymore and could be risky. Some sugar babes are also scared a bit to meet. But the quantity and quality of sugar babes seeking has exploded up. Even if I was not reading newspapers, I feel like I could have read the economic state of union in the country by looking at the sugar babe site LOL.

[Pessimist]

You left out one group. That would be the 40+ women. Ready to drop them panties and throw them legs wide open again! Hahaha! Don't know how many 40+ women are on SA. But, I'm just saying in general LOL! Plenty of 40+ women trying to make up for "lost time" and ready to be more sexually liberated.

Yeah, there are quite a few. I tend to do my searches with specific age, body type, ethnicity and other attributes but if I relaxed the criteria, the number of seeking women tends to increase more than ten fold. Normally, I have on any given night, roughly 120 to 180 women with strict criteria online at the moment I am (less than 25, slim / curvy, white or Latino, etc). This is in my home town.

[Pessimist]

How often does the person not match their photos? Any other things to worry about?

Photos match. Some look worse than their photos, but a whole bunch of girls also look much better than their photos. These are not professional girls and don't have carefully photoshopped pics. One of my girls had really GND pics on the site and she was much better in person. I told her as we were leaving the room that she looks much better than her photos and she texted me later that night I made her week with my compliment. She is a pretty simple girl, not a lot of pretense. On our next meet, I took a photo of her with my iPhone and texted her saying if she continued to be on the site, she should use it. Once I had a Ukrainian girl who was in my city for a few months of exchange school. She was absolutely stunning in person but her photos were just blah.

[Pessimist]

Finally going on my first date. I find the process quite awkward since I am new to this. My main concern is not being stuck with a skanky ho or being robbed. In the states, you have to worry more about scams. We agreed to meet at a place for a bite or drink and then go up to the hotel. How is payment typically handled? I presume you pay at the beginning, but I am a bit concerned that the gal will grab the money and run and I will have to face her pimp. But I also understand that the girl does not want to be stiffed too. I never have problems with escorts because they know the drill. I am going to put the money out and she can take it when she leaves. I think that is a good compromise. What do you think are some risks I am not aware of? I am single so I am not worried about them knowing my name, but I am a bit concerned about my car since plates can easily be traced. Don't want strangers showing up at my place. Not cool.

Sorry, was not checking this thread as there is not a whole lot of traffic. I usually spend most of my time in the German FKK threads. But I am not sure I agree with your implication about pimp. I don't think I had any arrangement with a prostitute. I tend to meet them at least once or even multiple times for lunches or drinks / coffee etc. I think you will get to know what type of girl she is, and whether she is a prostitute. Yes, they have sex for money but prostitute is not what I would call them in that they are not ready to have sex with multiple partners they do not get attracted to, just for the money.

Anyway, except once or twice, I have never given money to the girl before sex. When I did give the money upfront, it was on the road in a different city from my home town, and I was turned off and never saw her again. Most do not have any problem, and almost none of them count the money either. There is an implicit trust. By the same token, I do not ask for a detailed list of sex acts she will be OK with or not OK with. This is not going to the room with a FKK girl, and asking if she will kiss, or provide BBBJ in the 50 E price. I don't even think I asked them if they are OK with sex. When we meet and talk, and she asks what I am looking for, I will say I am hoping to get to know her more and perhaps we can spend some quiet time in the next meet and I suggest we can meet for a second lunch and go to a hotel. She will understand what I have in mind.

Also, is it so easy to trace you with your plates? I thought only Law enforcement had access to that info.

[Midwestern]

Steve's advice about pics is a very good one. But definitely only show your pic when it is requested. Don't just display it for anyone to see. I also had a pic on my bio, but only showed it when I was sure the person was not someone that I knew from work or from my circle of friends. It would be embarrassing if my coworker or my friend's daughter saw my pic on that site. I realize that you can look at their pics to make sure they are someone you don't know, but you should ask additional questions to make sure you don't run in the same circles. I had one date that actually used to work for the same company that I worked for, and so we did know many people in common. That said, one thing to keep in mind is that eventually, any regular SB will find out your true identity somehow. This was another reason why I eventually quit the site.

Clearly this helps establish they are legit. But for those that need to be discreet, having a picture of you holding a girls name floating around is discretion suicide. So I would be cautious with this method.

I personally have had no problem with a girl not matching her pics in my 20 ish dates to date. But I should say the girls I meet with are very "real" and would never meet up without the guy sending as pic. In fact I can usually tell an escort because she doesn't ask for pics as early as a fresh girl would. But clearly no pic works for midwestern so YMMV. And of course I'm trying to get 23 year olds and they have a ton of options.

My pic advice is use a public facing pic from like Facebook or somewhere, but TAKE A PICTURE of it and send that. That way if there is ever a leak you have plausible deniability because it's public and yet untraceable because you took a snap of it and it's a whole different set of pixels than what Facebook and Google image indexer has.

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[Steve 9696]

In my experience, you are quite correct.

We all tweak information and pictures a bit, in the direction needed.

I use to move the discussion to Whatsapp or similar ASAP and after that, I use to send the girl a picture I shoot, holding a hand written note saying for example "Hi Cindy! Where "Cindy" is her name (of course) and asking her to do the same.

I happened only once that the girl refused to do that.

Clearly this helps establish they are legit. But for those that need to be discreet, having a picture of you holding a girls name floating around is discretion suicide. So I would be cautious with this method.

I personally have had no problem with a girl not matching her pics in my 20 ish dates to date. But I should say the girls I meet with are very "real" and would never meet up without the guy sending as pic. In fact I can usually tell an escort because she doesn't ask for pics as early as a fresh girl would. But clearly no pic works for midwestern so YMMV. And of course I'm trying to get 23 year olds and they have a ton of options.

My pic advice is use a public facing pic from like Facebook or somewhere, but TAKE A PICTURE of it and send that. That way if there is ever a leak you have plausible deniability because it's public and yet untraceable because you took a snap of it and it's a whole different set of pixels than what Facebook and Google image indexer has.

[SavePros321]

In my experience, you are quite correct.

We all tweak information and pictures a bit, in the direction needed.

I use to move the discussion to Whatsapp or similar ASAP and after that, I use to send the girl a picture I shoot, holding a hand written note saying for example "Hi Cindy! Where "Cindy" is her name (of course) and asking her to do the same.

I happened only once that the girl refused to do that.

I always tell them that in order to see what I look like they will have to video chat with me either via FaceTime or something like Google Duo (does Whatsapp have video chat?

Don't fall for exchanging photos via text. She could just send you a fake photo, and if you sent a real photo of you then you look like a chump. Video chat is the best verification tool we've been blessed with in this lifetime.

[SavePros321]

I think almost everyone uses incorrect date of birth and slightly incorrect location. Most girls over 30 will shave some years off their age. Most guys over mid-40's will also shave some years off their age too. From my experience, almost everyone lies about location and uses a nearby location. Most guys also lie about their wealth. Most guys also exaggerate their height. Many girls lie about their body shape. Some gals lie about their education. Almost every gal will use either a photoshopped pic, or a pic that is from some years ago. This is why you need to do a meet and greet. Hoping for instant gratification is not what this site is supposed to be about (but you can get lucky of course). Finally, as for posting a fake pic, well, that one is a toughie. I don't think guys need to post any pic because we are the ones paying them, not other way around. If the girl won't agree to meet you without seeing your pic, just move on to the next gal. Using a fake pic may be rejected by the SA admins anyway, especially if you use a pic from the internet.

Good post. If you want to give a general idea of what you look like, you can always just blur or blackout your face using apps like Blur Photo (iPhone). As I mentioned before, it's like how escorts used to hide their faces on an escort site; they have the goods that you want. On SB websites, it is the man that has the goods (money) that the women want (especially now since a lot of them are or will be out of work due to all that is going on). You as the man have the upper hand in this situation. Use it to your advantage.

[Blue Swede]

I think almost everyone uses incorrect date of birth and slightly incorrect location. Most girls over 30 will shave some years off their age. Most guys over mid-40's will also shave some years off their age too. From my experience, almost everyone lies about location and uses a nearby location. Most guys also lie about their wealth. Most guys also exaggerate their height. Many girls lie about their body shape. Some gals lie about their education. Almost every gal will use either a photoshopped pic, or a pic that is from some years ago. This is why you need to do a meet and greet. Hoping for instant gratification is not what this site is supposed to be about (but you can get lucky of course). Finally, as for posting a fake pic, well, that one is a toughie. I don't think guys need to post any pic because we are the ones paying them, not other way around. If the girl won't agree to meet you without seeing your pic, just move on to the next gal. Using a fake pic may be rejected by the SA admins anyway, especially if you use a pic from the internet.

In my experience, you are quite correct.

We all tweak information and pictures a bit, in the direction needed.

I use to move the discussion to Whatsapp or similar ASAP and after that, I use to send the girl a picture I shoot, holding a hand written note saying for example "Hi Cindy! Where "Cindy" is her name (of course) and asking her to do the same.

I happened only once that the girl refused to do that.

[Midwestern]

Thank you for posting. Do they do any verification on the man. Location / salary / age / photo / Facebook / Linkedin?

I might be tempted to use a lookalike photo, incorrect date of birth, incorrect location so wouldn't want them to check these things.

I think almost everyone uses incorrect date of birth and slightly incorrect location. Most girls over 30 will shave some years off their age. Most guys over mid-40's will also shave some years off their age too. From my experience, almost everyone lies about location and uses a nearby location. Most guys also lie about their wealth. Most guys also exaggerate their height. Many girls lie about their body shape. Some gals lie about their education. Almost every gal will use either a photoshopped pic, or a pic that is from some years ago. This is why you need to do a meet and greet. Hoping for instant gratification is not what this site is supposed to be about (but you can get lucky of course). Finally, as for posting a fake pic, well, that one is a toughie. I don't think guys need to post any pic because we are the ones paying them, not other way around. If the girl won't agree to meet you without seeing your pic, just move on to the next gal. Using a fake pic may be rejected by the SA admins anyway, especially if you use a pic from the internet.

[DramaFree11]

Thank you for posting. Do they do any verification on the man. Location / salary / age / photo / Facebook / Linkedin?

I might be tempted to use a lookalike photo, incorrect date of birth, incorrect location so wouldn't want them to check these things.

They say, that the screen, but many fake profiles, so always assume worst.

[LeyenLouvain]

There are no fake profiles on the site, they have a fairly large team that weeds them out. Every new member request is checked manually by a person

Thank you for posting. Do they do any verification on the man. Location / salary / age / photo / Facebook / Linkedin?

I might be tempted to use a lookalike photo, incorrect date of birth, incorrect location so wouldn't want them to check these things.

[Midwestern]

My 2 cents based on recent posts. Yes, prices on SA are high, but you're paying for a real part time GF, not a pro that offers GFE. A lot of SBs will actually be exclusive with you. If you're not into that, then SA is not for you. SD means you're someone who either has money or is willing to splurge, otherwise we are as guilty as the scammer SBs on SA. And I did once give someone 3 k per month. She was worth it for a variety of reasons, and one reason was that she lived alone and so we stayed at her place a lot, which saved me a lot of money. I'm not rich, but NSA boinking a hottie on a regular basis is important to me, so I was willing to give her a huge portion of my disposable income. One way that I can justify it is that I know arrangements don't last too long. Eventually, she broke our arrangement because a surgeon offered her 5 k per month. Finally, many of these gals just want to enjoy the finer things in life, like trips, wining and dining, etc. , and I ended up giving no cash to about half of the SBs that I had relationships with. That said, these "freebie" gals are very hard to find, and eventually they bring drama. Anyway, all of this searching on SA takes a LOT of time, It's almost like a full time job, so I eventually quit. In the states, I now just use rubmaps. Good intel on there for most locations. Is rubmaps still operating or did it get shut down? I haven't been to the states in a couple of years.

[DramaFree11]

There are quite a few thoughts in this post. First surely it is a questionable idea to visit ANYONE right now. But if doing so a true SB who is low volume would be your best bet.

You can't compare value in the US to elsewhere. Value in the US is HORRIBLE. Worst in the world in my experience. I can have a better looking high performing girl in Brazil for 1/4 (or less) US prices.

BUT if you are confined to the US then SA is your best bet. You will get a longer date with a prettier girl than for the same price to a hooker. $400 is pretty standard, tho in the South I have 3 girls I can see for $300. I was able to push the later ones down once I had the first at $300.

Yes the private jet and $3000/ mo is surely rare. But does happen. A friend knows a stripper in Detroit who scored a daddy who flew her everywhere. And Melty who was a great $200 girl in London is currently touring the world clearly as an SB. So some girls do score it but it's rare..

I gave Been using SA with mixed results. The rates quoted ares correct.

1. Austin / Houston $400-500.

2. San Antonio prices are more reasonable $300-350, now that I am Austin full time San Antonio is only 1:15 drive so I have been started meeting more girls. You would think Austin would be better, but I have had much better luck in San Antonio and the girls usually better looking, makes no sense, but true. I hate Houston so I just go there for work and do not mess with those girls anymore.

I was shocked, but there are multiple guys that pay the $300-500 for PPM and there is no sex involved, not for me. Many girls have confirmed this, but those arrangements just last for a few months, from what they say. Crazy!

There are a lot of girls getting more then $3000, I would say $3000 would be minimum for anything decent. I would pay note, but there would have to be zero drama involved and most of these girls are just not capable of this.

With all this downtime from the Flu I have had a lot of time to reflect on SA. I would say more good then bad, but there is a lot of BS and Scams, but when you find a good arrangement it can be real fun. Also, I have had an issue with a lot of girls being alcoholics or use drugs heavily. This cause a way too much drama. I will probably take a small hit on my income, from the economic downturn, but I will no longer pay more then $400 and probably will be closer to $300. My main issue is I just do not have to travel to Europe, so that is kind of not practical, I just miss too much work. So I will probably use SA to fill in the gaps and stick with Tijuana and MTY.

[Steve 9696]

Been reading up on the public info on SA. I trust the info here. Either they are grossly wrong or they are distorting the numbers. I cannot believe the average SB allowance is 3 K. Plus, the amount ppm is ridiculous. If a SD can afford 3 K / month, that is 36000 a year after taxes. There just aren't that many guys who have that sort of disposable income. And if they did, they would certainly not be trolling on that site. Plus, stories of SB meeting SD who send limos and planes to pick them up are almost laughable. How many Dorian Grey's are out there? Perhaps, that creates an unrealistic expectation from the SBs. I can't imagine a person who is going to hand over 300 just to meet and talk. That does not even include the time and the expensive meals. I'm no cheap Charlie, but if you pay 400-500 per meet, that does not even include a minimum of 100 for a room and maybe another 100 for entertainment. At 700 per meet, that is not particularly good value. I can find some high end escorts in Europe for less with better attitude. I know the SBs say they are not escorts, but their emphasis on money says just the opposite. You can't have it both ways. I suspect there are a lot of desperate SBs out there at this time. Their regulars are not seeing them because they are at home with their wives and not travelling, everything is locked down, and there is no reason to put your health at risk. You have no idea if they have been isolating or seeing others. Simply not worth the risk.

There are quite a few thoughts in this post. First surely it is a questionable idea to visit ANYONE right now. But if doing so a true SB who is low volume would be your best bet.

You can't compare value in the US to elsewhere. Value in the US is HORRIBLE. Worst in the world in my experience. I can have a better looking high performing girl in Brazil for 1/4 (or less) US prices.

BUT if you are confined to the US then SA is your best bet. You will get a longer date with a prettier girl than for the same price to a hooker. $400 is pretty standard, tho in the South I have 3 girls I can see for $300. I was able to push the later ones down once I had the first at $300.

Yes the private jet and $3000/ mo is surely rare. But does happen. A friend knows a stripper in Detroit who scored a daddy who flew her everywhere. And Melty who was a great $200 girl in London is currently touring the world clearly as an SB. So some girls do score it but it's rare.

On the $300 for platonic yeah it seems a stretch but I know a girl who's been doing dinners and getting gifts all with no sex. This won't last I don't think. She also walks on a guy for $200. He drives 4 hours to see her. LOL. No sex. So some "odd" arrangements do exist. Tho clearly the exception.