Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Very true. I was thinking that I might be starting too early. Well. Now it is a bit too late to stop. Let's see how them his first batch does and if they flake. I will restart again with a few weeks before the trip like you suggest.

I ask a lot of questions to the girls about different topics and see their reactions to see how they would be like while together. After a while, people usually tend to show their true colors.

So I agree. Two months early is too early. I do it anyhow because I get bored. I may as well try to snag one and keep her. She's prob not going to be around in two months. And Valentina, Alexa, and Jesse were all long term snags of one or two months before. And two of the three are all time faves.

That said don't underestimate the last minute snag. Cristal and Megan were both snags at the last minute with less than a week before meetup and both are faves. And the Colombiana duo was less than 24 hrs! Record was definitely Andrea where I snagged her at 7, got in the car drove a couple hours and met her at 10! (Fucking by midnight).

So work it early, mid, and late. It's all good!

[Anaggie]

Then it sounds like you're aware of the risks and have a plan. Not sure what you need from the forum. Good luck, and report back with what worked / what didn't. The only thing I'll point out is that, by most accounts on various SB travel forums, you're starting way too early for a trip in June. 2 weeks out seems to be about the right horizon to establish rapport and reach peak momentum. Any longer and the most desirable ones get distracted by other opportunities. It's hard to keep bait on the line. I've found the perishability is down to days for some of the most enticing local prospects. Of course there's always the obligatory: YMMV. You might actually complete that cross-country road trip without any breakdowns in a 1973 MGB.

I wouldn't risk an entire week on someone I've never met in person, but I've done weekend trips in the blind 5 times now, batting 600. One flaked and took the travel advance, and one sorta catfished me. The other three were fantastic. The jeopardy can add to the excitement, so I don't discourage anyone from trying it. But again, probably not a full week, without some bailout options.

Very true. I was thinking that I might be starting too early. Well. Now it is a bit too late to stop. Let's see how them his first batch does and if they flake. I will restart again with a few weeks before the trip like you suggest.

I ask a lot of questions to the girls about different topics and see their reactions to see how they would be like while together. After a while, people usually tend to show their true colors.

[Elvis 2008]

These numbers don't really surprise me. First, there are girls that will ask $800 or $1000 regardless and I guess there are guys that pay that. But also I think prices have gone up substantially over the last year or so in the US. Other than Newbies I've been hard pressed to find a local girl who will take less than $400. And in Miami I def struggled to find hot girls for less than $500 which was a surprise to me. And even at $500 you have to compromise a bit hard to get the full face body personality package for $500 in Miami. Crazy I know!

Anyhow I think prices have gone up. It's tough to save a buck in the US right now.

IMO guys in LA should flog the log during the week, hop on the train to Tijuana on the weekends, and have a ball there. $500 can score you 5 (or more) different women on the weekend.

I was just reading about the Deshaun Watson case, and we are talking about hand jobs and women being "forced into it". I am so sick of the media playing this shit up right? These women are not going after justice but his money. Lawyer files a civil suit and says "it is not about money", and the feminazi media reports this as if it is fact.

What kills me is the white knight types that will defend the media and the women and spew trash about DW. How many times have I put a woman's hand on my cock or she has made that move without asking? I bet it is three digits by now.

One thing I can say with DW is you are stupid to pull that shit in the USA sex prison. Why not Tijuana? Why not Monterrey? Shit if you go to Hong Kong in Tijuana and pay $100 and a woman does not put her hand on your cock, she is fired. That is an expensive lesson for that man. Get a passport and the hell out of the sex prison DW!

You could not pay me $500 to have sex in California with a woman there. No fucking way!

[Elvis 2008]

Planned a trip in June to Cancun so I thought I would try out my luck on SA. Set up a profile, paid for three months and put Leon as my city amd surrounding areas so I could find some girls from around the area. So far, I have probably sent over 200 "holas" and have received a pretty good amount of replies. After that, it either goes on or it dies out. I don't waste time chatting them up. I ask directly what they are looking for and I explain to them what I am looking for. If it moves forward, we chat on WhatsApp and hammer out the deal.

Okay, here is what has happened with me. I added this up and have done close to over a dozen trips with various women and still think I have only seen half of all the things in the Cancun area I have wanted to see. At first it was a good run, then a lull and lately it has been a great run once I figured things out. The first thing is just getting the women to come and with that, the most important thing is Mexican customs which does not apply to you. For other guys, if you are bringing in a South American woman, it is best if you come with them from their country. If not, make sure they have $500 in cash, a return plane ticket, and a hotel reservation otherwise you are risking them not getting in. If you cannot trust your South American woman with $500, then you had best go to S. America yourself and bring her with you. Also stay the hell away from CDMX. Do not fly foreign women into that city!

The second thing is that you have to know the women well. Granted, you have a much better shot with Mexican women than American anaggie, but why take the chance? Go to Monterrey or Mexico City and meet the women first. Why Leon? If I was doing Cancun and had to pick a place in Mexico to shop, it would be CDMX first and MTY second and CDMX just because of quantity over quality. Maybe if you are married, it is not an option but if not, I would do two days in one of those cities and then take a woman to Cancun rather than just starting in Cancun. Twice, I have been stranded in Cancun without women, and it is not fun. There are casas there that are reasonably priced but you are talking women who are at best a 5 or 6. The top talent in the Cancun area is at USA Prices.

Third I way recommend Playa Del Carmen over Tulum and Cancun. Look, maybe you want to do some shitty snorkeling in the Cancun area (way better in other places) and rent a jet ski, but for the most part, the best times I had in Cancun was clubbing. To me, Cancun is about drinking, eating, dancing (maybe), and fucking, and that gets old in a hurry. I have not written up my report with Flo and Nancy in Cancun. The three of us already had crazy chemistry but what pushed it up a notch was going to Xplor. The X parks (Xcaret, Xenses, Xel-Ha ETC) have not been written about enough. Toss in the dolphin parks, the cenotes, Cirque du Soleil, and the various Mayan ruins, and now you have Cancun beat x 10. All the fun stuff starts in Puerto Morales and gets better as you go South. Cancun just has the beach, clubs, and hotels. PDC is in the center of the action, and you have everything in walking distance to you. I love how easy PDC is in comparison to Cancun or Tulum and I love Quinta Avenida.

The fourth thing is rent a car. Uber is in Cancun but getting a ride is rough. You might be paying $60 to ride back and forth to your hotel and can rent a car for $120. I have used Avis and yes rent a car. Get the full insurance and drive. If you get a traffic ticket, you can bribe a cop. Just be really careful where you park. Mexican cops there like to fleece the tourists and not just American ones. The freedom you get with a car is great, and you get to blast whatever music the chicks like. Now traveling is fun versus a chore.

After I got stood up once, I called two Colombian women I knew in CDMX. They did not know each other, and it was a shitty trip. They were too focused on money.

Every other time I have gone the women had so much fun they did not ask for anything. The last trip with Flo and Nancy, I gave Flo 2000 pesos at the end and she said, "You do not have to do that. " Nancy is younger and does not have a job so she did not say that when I gave her a gift, but if I had not given her anything, she would have come again.

I met a Colombian woman and have mentioned that she would be our 4th in Cancun, and Flo and Nancy are like the more the merrier. I will get an AirBnb for $70 or so a night. Go to Sam's and buy most of our food there and then it is just paying for the times we eat and drink when we go out and park tickets and other entertainment costs.

When you add up the zip lining at Xplor, the 4 X 4 ride there, the mud river at Xenses, the cenotes, it was the most fun week I had in decades and that is not including the amazing sex at the end of the nights. When Nancy was teaching Flo the art of strip dancing one night, if a guy did not get hard watching that, he was impotent. Nancy made a whatsapp group she called Modern Family, and we text each other twice a week. The fun we had even more than the sex is what has kept us close.

With Laura from Colombia, I had been with her twice before. She is in bad shape money wise, but it was not the money that sold her on coming to Cancun. Her eyes were hurting, her knees were too, and her feet were killing her because of bad shoes. I got her new shoes, eye drops, and arthritis medicine, and she went from being the 45 year old woman she was feeling like to her normal 25 years of age. When she got in a pool, she was bopping around like an eight year old, splashing and diving like being a kid. Hell, she bragged about me to her mom and her mom is telling her, "Do not lose this guy!

She was kind of lukewarm about going but she started to feel better and then she was psyched about going. I showed her pics and videos from Cancun and she was off the chain excited.

What am I selling with these women on Cancun (or PDC) anaggie, is a great time. Only places in the world I have been to that compare fun wise with the Cancun area are Orlando and Singapore (Yes, Singapore is a ball). What are you offering them? Money, and that is not what you want to do not with Cancun.

I keep telling guys to quit with the john-hooker attitude especially in the sugar daddy arena. The money for sex thing is transactional and safe but it is also sterile. The emphasis should be about improving the woman's life and not just throwing money at them. What I tell the sugar baby prospects is when we are together, we are together and when we are apart, we apart. I cannot control if you see other men and you cannot control if I see other women so let's not worry about that. My goal for you is to make me feel better in the moment and my goal with you is to give you a better life. I am going to do what you need but maybe not what you want.

My advice to you anaggie is you are taking these women to Cancun. With that trip, it is time for you to stop being a john looking to score some hookers and be a fun sugar daddy instead. I know your trip will be better if you make that your emphasis.

[ItsMark]

Created a profile.

I used a green dot visa prepaid card and I never registered it.

I entered in a fake name and address.

As soon as I hit enter to submit to charge the card it said account suspended.

So where did I mess up?

I wonder if they too my money?

I don't want any of my personal information on their site.

Last year, I went through the same issue, 2-3 times. Each time my account got suspended, I emailed the support team to reinstate the account, which they promptly did.

They asked me to try some other payment options / modes, but I did not want to share my personal info either. So gave up trying to upgrade.

A month ago, I tried again with the same credit card and was able to upgrade my membership without any hassle. So not really sure why it blocked me last year, but I guess you could wait for a few weeks and try again.

[Steve 9696]

Most guys post that in LOS Angeles the prices are $500 or lower. For me the hottest women are over $500.

The first example is an actress with over 20 IMDB credits. Her mother is actually quite famous in another country. When production shut down, she was offering to do massage on SA. The massage was $250 including UBER. She did not have a car. At the end of the massage, we began to do french kisses and intimate caresses. She said that she was not prepared to do sex on this date. Her price for sex was $600. She recently posted on Instagram that she was pregnant. If you follow the timeline, she was already with this guy when she was still on Seeking.

The second example is a divorcee. She also advertised herself as a masseuse. For sex, she wanted $600. I asked if she could role play being submissive. She replied that she could be very obedient for $1200.

The third example is a model. She was a Brazilian playmate in 2016. She also does not have a car. I offered her $300 plus expenses. She replied that she can't have sex for $300. "It's my job". So I don't know what she actually charges. I asked her if she was on birth control and she said "No".

These women are all 26 and older. I think that they would know their way around a bedroom.

These numbers don't really surprise me. First, there are girls that will ask $800 or $1000 regardless and I guess there are guys that pay that. But also I think prices have gone up substantially over the last year or so in the US. Other than Newbies I've been hard pressed to find a local girl who will take less than $400. And in Miami I def struggled to find hot girls for less than $500 which was a surprise to me. And even at $500 you have to compromise a bit — hard to get the full face body personality package for $500 in Miami. Crazy I know!

Anyhow I think prices have gone up. It's tough to save a buck in the US right now.

[Mongerer88]

Yes, great thoughts.

I have the same frustration with the many ISG guys who diss all independent and agency escorts because once in 2015 the person who showed up at the door in a random country wasn't exactly as depicted in the pictures. There are thousands of SA ads and experiences. Why would someone believe the entire SA scene should be dismissed because there may be a different guy / girl ratio than advertised?

The numbers above are likely all true. It's also true it only takes one willing girl (or two or three). Everyone's just playing the numbers game. It's kind of like dating life. 90-95% of the attractive girls won't have interest in you, but you hit up that one girl with the right approach at the right time. Bam! You're a winner.

From what I have heard, many of the guys on SA are lurkers or they just want to chat up young girls on-line. So lots of men and women on SA wasting each other's time.

I have no reason to build-up Steve, MW, DF and others providing valuable advice here. I've been following them during this COVID period. They seem to be able to greatly improve their odds. Simple guidance like SA is far better outside the USA And Steve painstakingly takes you through his methods of screening, seduction and persuasion..

[CarloRogue]

The two that I am currently chatting with on WhatsApp. We discussed all the expectations and agreed before we settled in a price. I have done this with girls in Brazil so I kinda have a feeling when the girl isn't going to work out. Plus. I expect them to continue chatting every few days before the trip so I can keep feeling them out. It could all go to shit even then.

Not too worried about the paper trail and I will get their info so I can book their tickets. If they aren't willing to provide their info and a picture of their passport page. I will drop them like a hot potato🤣.

Thanks for the advice.

Then it sounds like you're aware of the risks and have a plan. Not sure what you need from the forum. Good luck, and report back with what worked / what didn't. The only thing I'll point out is that, by most accounts on various SB travel forums, you're starting way too early for a trip in June. 2 weeks out seems to be about the right horizon to establish rapport and reach peak momentum. Any longer and the most desirable ones get distracted by other opportunities. It's hard to keep bait on the line. I've found the perishability is down to days for some of the most enticing local prospects. Of course there's always the obligatory: YMMV. You might actually complete that cross-country road trip without any breakdowns in a 1973 MGB.

I wouldn't risk an entire week on someone I've never met in person, but I've done weekend trips in the blind 5 times now, batting 600. One flaked and took the travel advance, and one sorta catfished me. The other three were fantastic. The jeopardy can add to the excitement, so I don't discourage anyone from trying it. But again, probably not a full week, without some bailout options.

[Big Boss Man]

Most guys post that in LOS Angeles the prices are $500 or lower. For me the hottest women are over $500.

The first example is an actress with over 20 IMDB credits. Her mother is actually quite famous in another country. When production shut down, she was offering to do massage on SA. The massage was $250 including UBER. She did not have a car. At the end of the massage, we began to do french kisses and intimate caresses. She said that she was not prepared to do sex on this date. Her price for sex was $600. She recently posted on Instagram that she was pregnant. If you follow the timeline, she was already with this guy when she was still on Seeking.

The second example is a divorcee. She also advertised herself as a masseuse. For sex, she wanted $600. I asked if she could role play being submissive. She replied that she could be very obedient for $1200.

The third example is a model. She was a Brazilian playmate in 2016. She also does not have a car. I offered her $300 plus expenses. She replied that she can't have sex for $300. "It's my job". So I don't know what she actually charges. I asked her if she was on birth control and she said "No".

These women are all 26 and older. I think that they would know their way around a bedroom.

[WyattEarp]

The short answer is for most people, no. The website's advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.

The numbers above are likely all true. It's also true it only takes one willing girl (or two or three). Everyone's just playing the numbers game. It's kind of like dating life. 90-95% of the attractive girls won't have interest in you, but you hit up that one girl with the right approach at the right time. Bam! You're a winner.

From what I have heard, many of the guys on SA are lurkers or they just want to chat up young girls on-line. So lots of men and women on SA wasting each other's time.

I have no reason to build-up Steve, MW, DF and others providing valuable advice here. I've been following them during this COVID period. They seem to be able to greatly improve their odds. Simple guidance like SA is far better outside the USA And Steve painstakingly takes you through his methods of screening, seduction and persuasion.

It's clear SA is not just about offering money to the girls. A good fellow I have conversed with over the years on another ISG thread irritated young women on SA asking questions about how much and for what acts. SA is not overtly a P4P site. Like anything on-line, you need to use common sense and be aware of hustles.

Full disclosure: I'm not an expert. I'm just learning.

[Anaggie]

Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldnt be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck!

The two that I am currently chatting with on WhatsApp. We discussed all the expectations and agreed before we settled in a price. I have done this with girls in Brazil so I kinda have a feeling when the girl isn't going to work out. Plus. I expect them to continue chatting every few days before the trip so I can keep feeling them out. It could all go to shit even then.

Not too worried about the paper trail and I will get their info so I can book their tickets. If they aren't willing to provide their info and a picture of their passport page. I will drop them like a hot potato🤣.

Thanks for the advice.

[DramaFree11]

Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldnt be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck!

Great advice. Never send money to someone you have not known for a long period of time. Also, flying someone that you have not met, is just train wreck waiting to happen.

[Steve 9696]

Planned a trip in June to Cancun so I thought I would try out my luck on SA. Set up a profile, paid for three months and put Leon as my city amd surrounding areas so I could find some girls from around the area. So far, I have probably sent over 200 "holas" and have received a pretty good amount of replies. After that, it either goes on or it dies out. I don't waste time chatting them up. I ask directly what they are looking for and I explain to them what I am looking for. If it moves forward, we chat on WhatsApp and hammer out the deal.

I have found two girls who have agreed to go to Cancun with me. I pay for their flights, food and drinks and 10000 pesos extra for 7 days. I feel that is a pretty fair deal since I usually pay a bit more in Brazil. One girl asked for 60-70000 and I just laughed.

I am still sending messages and interacting just to see who else I can keep in the lineup. I know that a few will flake out and then I don't want to be rushed into finding someone else as the days get closer.

Would appreciate any advice from the experts on here. Will keep posting as I get.

Closer to the trip.

Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldn’t be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck!

[Anaggie]

Planned a trip in June to Cancun so I thought I would try out my luck on SA. Set up a profile, paid for three months and put Leon as my city amd surrounding areas so I could find some girls from around the area. So far, I have probably sent over 200 "holas" and have received a pretty good amount of replies. After that, it either goes on or it dies out. I don't waste time chatting them up. I ask directly what they are looking for and I explain to them what I am looking for. If it moves forward, we chat on WhatsApp and hammer out the deal.

I have found two girls who have agreed to go to Cancun with me. I pay for their flights, food and drinks and 10000 pesos extra for 7 days. I feel that is a pretty fair deal since I usually pay a bit more in Brazil. One girl asked for 60-70000 and I just laughed.

I am still sending messages and interacting just to see who else I can keep in the lineup. I know that a few will flake out and then I don't want to be rushed into finding someone else as the days get closer.

Would appreciate any advice from the experts on here. Will keep posting as I get.

Closer to the trip.

[DramaFree11]

I think it is not possible to unblock

I rarely chat on SA anymore. I move them to wpp right away. If they hesitate and want to continue to chat on SA. I say OK and leave it at that to move on to the next.

Occasionally, there are new ones that are very timid and I just chat with them without the intention of getting their numbers, these would volunteer their numbers without asking when they feel they can trust you.

I do the same. A lot of the girls that want to Chat, on SA, have no interest in meeting in person, for whatever reason. Just move on.