Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

I am not him, but I guess he tries to not get emotional attachment to his SB. Not a bad idea actually, to keep a little distance and keep it like business transaction. Cause at the end we have to say goodbye, it could be easier than with what I am doing right now.

After I read your last sentence, I re-read some of your earlier posts. Seems like you are totally into your SB. I think most of us have fallen in love with a WG or SB. I know I have. I remember one time when I was working in SE Asia, I took a short vacation and took one of my favorite WGs with me. While we were laying on the beach, I noticed a lot of thin scabs on her legs. I immediately recognized what they were, she was a cutter, someone who cuts themselves. I asked her about the scars, and she said that she hates her life and so she cuts herself. Man, I immediately fell in love with her as soon as she told me that. At the end of our trip, I gave her an extra 3 grand USD. She could not believe it. I stopped seeing her, but I did not feel guilty about it becuase I gifted her so much cash. But one day I ran into her, and she begged me to marry her. She said she wanted to make a family with me. She had a ring on her finger, it was made up of two rings that snapped together. She took one ring off and gave it to me. She said these two rings will find a way to be together again. For the next several years, she would text me every once in a while, but I ignored her. This all happened over ten years ago. Guess what? About a month ago, I somehow came across her ring. Made me feel a bit sad.

But now I am totally jaded. I might sometimes feel sorry for some gals, but that is the most that I will feel for a gal these days.

[Midwestern]

If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.

LOL. Yep, that's how I feel with many SBs. However, I have found some that I can actually hang out with though, but that's because they are either funny and fun, and / or it is because they love to drink.

On the $$/ day I just don't see paying that much. I guess it depends on geography tho. Like I paid Thifany $1000 for the week. Which isn't bad coin for a brasileira. But if I have a US girl at 500/ night I can't see paying her $1000/ day for 4 days or even $500/ day. Maybe 1200 for 4 days or something. I guess it just depends on the sitch. But 1. 5-2 x is out of the realm of possibilities for me.

Upon some reflection, you are totally right. One of my favorite SBs in the states was 400 PPM, but she came out to meet me on a business trip and I gave her 1000 total for 4 days, so only 250 per day, even though her PPM was 400. I did similarly with other SBs in the states. This logic works out because my SBs were not meeting SDs every day, and so gettting 250 for 4 days in a row was a good deal for them.

I now figured out my error on how I landed on 1. 5 to 2 times PPM when traveling with a gal in China. The first gal that I traveled with was someone who had recently retired from being a WG. She had worked for an outcall agency and was used to meeting two johns per day, three weeks per month (the other week was time off due to aunt flo visit). After she retired from being a WG, she moved back to her hometown, bought a condo, and got engaged. But she and I always hit it off and when I asked her to meet me, she said yes, and that is when I started struggling with how much to give her. It was at that time when you (Steve) offered your ideas on what to pay. Somehow, I came up with 1. 5 times her PPM rate times number of days. I thought this was fair given what she used to make as a WG. Anyway, since then, I have traveled with other gals in China, and now that I think of it, they did seem pleasantly surprised by how much I gave them, and so I guess I have been overpaying while in China. I wish I can travel with the SBs that I currently have (both young with rocking bods) to see what they would accept. Neither is a WG. The are both PPM arrangments. I bet they would take about half of the PPM rate per day times the number of days. But given that both do not drink, I have no desire to travel with them.

BTW, one problem with traveling with SBs, to play devil's advocate, is that quite often we have very incompatiple sleeping schedules. Many SBs stay up late until 2 am or 3 am or even 4 am, looking at their phones, and wake up at around 10 am or later. But for me, I go to bed usually at around 11 pm and wake up at 6 am or 7 am.

[Steve 9696]

Actually that's totally logical.

I have done all day sessions with girls before. Afternoon through following morning. And what you're describing is exactly what happens. These are not worldly girls. Let's be honest. For the most part they're simple people. And so you have to really carry the conversation if it's going to be any good. Last date I had the only thing that animated this girl was when she was talking about this crappy reality tv show she watches. If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.

Ah MW. I get the two rooms now. It's not two bedrooms. It's one bedroom and an office / hideout. That def works if you can afford it (which apparently you can!

On the $$/ day I just don't see paying that much. I guess it depends on geography tho. Like I paid Thifany $1000 for the week. Which isn't bad coin for a brasileira. But if I have a US girl at 500/ night I can't see paying her $1000/ day for 4 days or even $500/ day. Maybe 1200 for 4 days or something. I guess it just depends on the sitch. But 1. 5-2 x is out of the realm of possibilities for me.

[AmericanPi]

Actually that's totally logical.

I have done all day sessions with girls before. Afternoon through following morning. And what you're describing is exactly what happens. These are not worldly girls. Let's be honest. For the most part they're simple people. And so you have to really carry the conversation if it's going to be any good. Last date I had the only thing that animated this girl was when she was talking about this crappy reality tv show she watches. If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.

Topic 1. Why I get two rooms when traveling with an SB.

This is when I tell the SB that I am going on a business trip and invite her to come with me (but half the time it is a fake business trip). And so she understands that I need to have my own room. But why do I get two rooms? Here is why.

First, I just cannot spend 24 hours a day with anyone, including a fun young hottie. Eventually, I need to catch my breath and have some alone time. I guess I can make an excuse and go out on my own, but most of the time I just want to chill in the room, catch up on work on my laptop, reply to emails, call someone, watch tv, take a nap. I want my own room to do this. And so, when I get tired of her, or want to be alone, I tell her that I have to go to work, but really I just go to my own room. So I get two rooms. She gets her own room.

Second, I definitely do this if I am trying to hide my true identity. If we book one room for the two of us, then there is almost no way to hide my identity from her, especially for several days in a row.

Third, I just do not want to worry about something unforseen. Maybe someone like my family calls my room and I am out while my SB is in the room and she picks up the phone. Or maybe she leaves her panties in the room and when I return home the hotel mails the panties to my home. Or maybe she just destroys the room, LOL, I do not know. I just do not want to worry about any of this shit.

Fourth, if it is a real business trip, then of course I cannot have her staying in my room. Too many times, my colleauges will say, "let's discuss this in your room" or "let's have a drink in your room before we go out for dinner' etc.

BUT, I crash in her room every night, that's for damn sure. Sleeping with her is one of main reasons for traveling with her. And ideally we did some partying before going to bed. Not just because I love having a good time with a gal, but one of my favorite things is drunk sex.

Topic 2. What to pay an SB when traveling with her.

I agree with everything that Steve said. We should not have to gift them a ton of "spending money" because we are paying for their travel, accomodations, meals, and fun times. Off the top of my head, I can recall four SBs that I took short vacations with. This was when I was at the home office in the states. I did not give them much spending money because they were all stoked to take a vacation and have a fun time. But there were some exceptions. For example, what if they have a job and then they have to take time off from work? What if they are an hourly worker? Then reimbursement for lost wages becomes a factor.

However, for me NOW, when I travel with an SB, they are mostly fake business trips (see my comments on topic 1 above). And so, to caculate the gift money on top of reimbursing travel and hotel room, I think about their possible lost wages, AND I MOSTLY think about how they are going to spend many hours every day on their own in a strange city without any friends and without anything to do, and how they are essentially on call for my needs. As Steve mentioned, he and I discussed this topic in some details a couple of years ago. I eventually landed on paying them 1. 5 to 2 times what I give them for PPM. How did I come to this figure? Well, the market rate in China for overnight with a WG is 3 times their PPM rate. But my SBs are not WGs, and so they do not expect 3 times. But I figured that if I am giving them X amount for a couple of hours, then I should give them 1. 5 to 2 times that amount for 24 hours. Especially since I abandon them for much of the day. In addition, a couple of my SBs have to get up early and then travel all day to meet me at our destination, and so I kind of feel bad about that.

What do you guys think?

[Midwestern]

Topic 1. Why I get two rooms when traveling with an SB.

This is when I tell the SB that I am going on a business trip and invite her to come with me (but half the time it is a fake business trip). And so she understands that I need to have my own room. But why do I get two rooms? Here is why.

First, I just cannot spend 24 hours a day with anyone, including a fun young hottie. Eventually, I need to catch my breath and have some alone time. I guess I can make an excuse and go out on my own, but most of the time I just want to chill in the room, catch up on work on my laptop, reply to emails, call someone, watch tv, take a nap. I want my own room to do this. And so, when I get tired of her, or want to be alone, I tell her that I have to go to work, but really I just go to my own room. So I get two rooms. She gets her own room.

Second, I definitely do this if I am trying to hide my true identity. If we book one room for the two of us, then there is almost no way to hide my identity from her, especially for several days in a row.

Third, I just do not want to worry about something unforseen. Maybe someone like my family calls my room and I am out while my SB is in the room and she picks up the phone. Or maybe she leaves her panties in the room and when I return home the hotel mails the panties to my home. Or maybe she just destroys the room, LOL, I do not know. I just do not want to worry about any of this shit.

Fourth, if it is a real business trip, then of course I cannot have her staying in my room. Too many times, my colleauges will say, "let's discuss this in your room" or "let's have a drink in your room before we go out for dinner' etc.

BUT, I crash in her room every night, that's for damn sure. Sleeping with her is one of main reasons for traveling with her. And ideally we did some partying before going to bed. Not just because I love having a good time with a gal, but one of my favorite things is drunk sex.

Topic 2. What to pay an SB when traveling with her.

I agree with everything that Steve said. We should not have to gift them a ton of "spending money" because we are paying for their travel, accomodations, meals, and fun times. Off the top of my head, I can recall four SBs that I took short vacations with. This was when I was at the home office in the states. I did not give them much spending money because they were all stoked to take a vacation and have a fun time. But there were some exceptions. For example, what if they have a job and then they have to take time off from work? What if they are an hourly worker? Then reimbursement for lost wages becomes a factor.

However, for me NOW, when I travel with an SB, they are mostly fake business trips (see my comments on topic 1 above). And so, to caculate the gift money on top of reimbursing travel and hotel room, I think about their possible lost wages, AND I MOSTLY think about how they are going to spend many hours every day on their own in a strange city without any friends and without anything to do, and how they are essentially on call for my needs. As Steve mentioned, he and I discussed this topic in some details a couple of years ago. I eventually landed on paying them 1. 5 to 2 times what I give them for PPM. How did I come to this figure? Well, the market rate in China for overnight with a WG is 3 times their PPM rate. But my SBs are not WGs, and so they do not expect 3 times. But I figured that if I am giving them X amount for a couple of hours, then I should give them 1. 5 to 2 times that amount for 24 hours. Especially since I abandon them for much of the day. In addition, a couple of my SBs have to get up early and then travel all day to meet me at our destination, and so I kind of feel bad about that.

What do you guys think?

[Foolish]

Funny enough, I used to be against the whole overnight thing, because I value sleep more than the ladies! Haha. I guess I am fairly fragile when it comes to rest, so the "numb arm" isn't my favorite, even if I love cuddling while awake. With my first Seeking (that happened to go overnight), I wasn't thinking snuggle, I was just trying to get some sleep, even though she was totally up for "hugging" all night. The thought of having sex and possibly going to my own room afterwards is a bit strange sounding, curious as well (I'm definitely cool with overnights if I can sleep ok now).

That being said, in chatting with a bunch of boate / Scandallo regulars, I'm trying to figure out a similar / complementary "daytime" program, which is probably more SB territory?? I like the idea of the club set ups, but after travelling overnight and then staying up looking for the ladies, and then having bedroom action, it feels like I'm on the graveyard shift. Am I the only one? I used to go clubbing all the time, but mainly because I knew so many people socially and I enjoyed the music. Now, I would be going in spite of the late nights and loud music to meet the fine ladies. Mind you, it's also because of some mandatory morning meetings I have that really don't help. I guess once you have contacts, some might be into going for lunch and afternoon action or dinner / early evening or doing touristy things.

Back to travelling: I could see needing a break from my companion if I wasn't 100% into her or I was super introverted / need tons of variety. Why not threesomes, ha? I have found that if the bedroom action / pillow talk and dinner / drinks works well, hanging out all the time usually isn't a problem until an issue arises.

Good points on the non-transactional approach to giving "spending money" and hopefully the good bedroom results. Interesting how a short trip is also the next-stage interview, ha!

[Dj Tan]

I am not him, but I guess he tries to not get emotional attachment to his SB. Not a bad idea actually, to keep a little distance and keep it like business transaction. Cause at the end we have to say goodbye, it could be easier than with what I am doing right now.

[Steve 9696]

Traveling with an SB that I have already been with and that I trust, then. We can travel to a place together or meet there.

"Business trip" versus vacation. With a "business trip," I can do whatever I want during the day, and then drink with and sleep with my SB during the nights. Most of my business trips with an SB are fake business trips. I just want to bang other women during the day, or sightsee or do other things during the day. But there have been SBs that I enjoyed spending time with where I took them on short vacations, and this can be fun too, but it is rare for me to find an SB that I can spend all day and all night with.

One thing that I learned from traveling with an SB. I ask them to book their own room. I get my own room too. But I stay overnight in their room. I know this is fucking expensive, to pay for two hotel rooms, but there is a lot of benefits to this, which I do not think I need to explain, but if you do not see the benefits to this, then you can ask and I will explain.

I usually ask the SB to pay for the flight or train, and to pay for their hotel room, and I will reimburse them. I have also booked their flights myself. I try to avoid fronting them money to pay for travel and hotel, unless I know them really well. The hard part for me is to figure out how much additional money to give them. It is usually double their PPM amount, times the number of days.

But yeah, if I find a SB that I think is very fun and I think genuinely likes me, then traveling with an SB can be very fun, especially if I can spend some time away from her during the day.

I think we are all aligned that a trip w your lady is awesome. I remember a couple years ago when we started all this that MW you and I discussed what would be right for allowance in this situation. I've got a couple more visits under my belt and got to say the double PPM surprises me. The girls seem to understand the trip is expensive and adjust expectations accordingly. I've paid close to full PPM (but per day) in some cases but also done half PPM or with Shayla who is pretty much my mistress there was no PPM at all. For those of you embarking on this I kinda keep the lingo away from PPM and also lower expectations due to trip cost. I say something like "Obviously the trip is a bit expensive but I'the want to give you some daily spending money, like $200/ day. " This has worked in the past because I think the trip is exciting for them.

About to try this with Smoke Show who is a legit model but we've only spent a few hours together. She's already said she'the travel with me. Recall she wanted 1000€ our first date but said 400 was ok with no overnight. Of course she hadn’t met me yet (!) and We will be going to a pretty awesome destination. I doubt she'the take less than 400/ day (if she even takes that) but we shall see.

MW. Totally mystified by the two rooms thing. I adore cuddling my girl all night and think she would be shocked and insulted if I suggested separate rooms. Maybe this is a cultural thing? Do tell us more. I am quite puzzled.

[Elvis 2008]

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily?

I gave women $200 to $300 to hang with me for three of four days in Cancun. Getting a woman in Cancun costs that for an hour.

And if your visits are strictly transactional, you are missing out on the best sex there is. I have always said money is a minimum motivator. I don't want a woman who wants to suck my dick and say, "Well, I am not going to do that for you for less than $300. " I want one whom I have shown such a good time want to please me back.

I took three women to Xcaret in Cancun and they had so much fun they decided to pay me back and put on a show for me when we got back to our apartment and fucked and sucked the hell out of me. You could pay three women for a foursome but I guarantee you it would not be as good.

You really get to know someone when you take a trip. Many times I have dumped women after them, and many times the trips have made it us way closer.

I can see if you are married and had time issues why not to do it, but traveling has been when I have had the best sex and some of the most fun ever. Having a SB IMO is having fun with the women both in and out of the bedroom.

[Midwestern]

Traveling with an SB that I have already been with and that I trust, then. We can travel to a place together or meet there.

"Business trip" versus vacation. With a "business trip," I can do whatever I want during the day, and then drink with and sleep with my SB during the nights. Most of my business trips with an SB are fake business trips. I just want to bang other women during the day, or sightsee or do other things during the day. But there have been SBs that I enjoyed spending time with where I took them on short vacations, and this can be fun too, but it is rare for me to find an SB that I can spend all day and all night with.

One thing that I learned from traveling with an SB. I ask them to book their own room. I get my own room too. But I stay overnight in their room. I know this is fucking expensive, to pay for two hotel rooms, but there is a lot of benefits to this, which I do not think I need to explain, but if you do not see the benefits to this, then you can ask and I will explain.

I usually ask the SB to pay for the flight or train, and to pay for their hotel room, and I will reimburse them. I have also booked their flights myself. I try to avoid fronting them money to pay for travel and hotel, unless I know them really well. The hard part for me is to figure out how much additional money to give them. It is usually double their PPM amount, times the number of days.

But yeah, if I find a SB that I think is very fun and I think genuinely likes me, then traveling with an SB can be very fun, especially if I can spend some time away from her during the day.

[Dj Tan]

Traveling with girls is another level of mongering. And this is not only about sex, I do enjoy doing tourist things with a girl, exploring places, going on tours, dining out, etc. There is no rush whatsoever. Unlimited sex, usually bareback. To me personally, the whole point of it is memorable experience. I might not remember most of my transactional" SBs / pros, but I certainly do and always will, remember those I traveled with. Spending a few days with a girl you truly like, exploring new places together is unforgettable experience. Fuck the costs, we all live once LOL.

"F the cost", you only live once.

I am in relation with a SB due to business trip in SE Asia. We did romantic getaway travel a lot like long weekend, school break etc, she is 2nd year law student. We have chemistry more than anything I had before with an SB. We chat almost everyday, though we are 8000-mile away right now. I am going back for yet another tenure in 2-months, can't wait.

Yes, the sex is unbelievable, we can do it 3-4 times a day, early morning, after bfast, after we come back from sight-seeing then another before bed. I think I had blue-ball syndrome right after 5-night trip once, not fun, but what the heck.

I've known her for 8-mo now, she even put IUD 4-mo ago, so I can come inside if I desire, but so far I don't dare.

BTW, funny story, I told her right after she has the IUD, I felt something in there, so the next week she went back to her OB and was told: "oh yes we forgot to tuck and hide that IUD tail, tell your BF sorry", LOL.

Sometimes, I am actually worried what happen if we have to say goodbye once of these days.

[MiamiBoy1]

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.

Traveling with girls is another level of mongering. And this is not only about sex, I do enjoy doing tourist things with a girl, exploring places, going on tours, dining out, etc. There is no rush whatsoever. Unlimited sex, usually bareback. To me personally, the whole point of it is memorable experience. I might not remember most of my «transactional" SBs / pros, but I certainly do and always will, remember those I traveled with. Spending a few days with a girl you truly like, exploring new places together is unforgettable experience. Fuck the costs, we all live once LOL.

[DramaFree11]

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.

I have been flying girls in from CDMX to MTY, it works great. They stay 2-3 days, then I meet my regulars in MTY or meet new girls. I have the best of both worlds.

[Foolish]

There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that?

I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago.

While new to the Seeking game (working on report), I got to ask some questions here. Thanks for sharing some of the failures / issues, but would like to see more details. I would like to travel with the great ones as well.

Intelligencium: is this a girl you've never met, IE just SK? I believe just in terms of process, there are universal rules that apply, from broad to more specific in terms of "escalation" in hobbying, not just SK / SBs.

1. Never ever pay up front.

2. Don't do overnights with girls you don't know (this might be better applied in Col vs Thailand, etc).

3. Never do threesomes with girls you don't know.

4. Don't travel with girls you don't know.

5. More escalation.

I know from Seeking / Sao Paulo threads, seems like overnights are pretty normal and safe (and some great value), but usually there's a lot of vibe checking in the club / dinner / facetime etc. Travel is just another escalation & more time to suffer if the relationship is already sour / poor. Start with a date, and then see what happens.

HumbleHal, how was the girl before the trip? Did you jive well on many occasions? I think from your experience and what Elvis has shared previously, there are some reality check conversations that might be helpful before travelling, IE the conversation with border / customs agents, flying together vs meeting there, how we met, purpose, etc.

From all the great reports here, for SK this is progression that I'm tweaking in my own process:

1. Online, you're just weeding out the real girls, ones you want to meet within a week or 2. As soon as you get a good vibe, go offline to WA or other medium to discuss details (arrangement, likes / dislikes, etc) for your first date. Then verify details / video chat, etc before wasting more time. Most guys seem to being aiming at dinner / drinks and approx up to 3/4 hrs (generally wouldn't be too strict on time, only the WG think like that, some will just stay over).

2. Date goes well / great, repeat or escalate. Date doesn't go great, rinse. Ha. Really I guess this applies to all women, regardless of where you met.

3. My first report will be a 24 HR date. Didn't start that way. But the next time I visit SP, will "consider" travel with this girl. She is demanding price-wise, but during our date was fabulous (can't think too much with GFE brain despite the great experience). Travel seems to be an interesting one in terms of dealmaking. GFEFAN, did you discuss like a daily allowance beforehand (and she just refused), or just went with the flow? I think I am like Steve, where I'd like to know ahead of time rather than have stickershock afterwards.

F.

P.S. This is a fantastic thread, please keep reporting the good & the bad. Cheers!

[Pessimist]

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.