Seeking Arrangements

[LshRoomer]

Simple laws of supply and demand means there will be an equilibrium price. So, if everyone is quoting 400, then that's probably the equilibrium price where the market clears. It'll be hard to find lower prices, but they can be found. Sometimes though, you get what you pay for, if you know what I mean.

Steve, expanding your search to include older SBs isn't necessarily a bad thing. I met some that were in their 40's. I don't think I had any bad experiences. In fact, most were amazing in the sack, and most provided genuine GFE. But they are a bit less fun, that's all.

Yeah, I also noticed the short latinas when I was active on SA. But after having been with gals just shy of 5 feet, I set my filter to 5 feet 2.

I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.

That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.

Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.

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[LshRoomer]

I've had a few small gals. On the one hand, you feel huge and awesome, not just dick size huge, but you feel like a massive person, so it's kind of a turn on. On the other hand, you feel like you're fucking a toy, LOL.

I think I like small girls. I say "think" because I have never had a less than 5' girl but I have had plenty of 5'2 or 5'3 girls and I love the difference in stature. As long as their ass fits right on my dick when I'm grinding on her from the back, then we are good to go. It's definitely a turn on.

Personally my sweet spot is 5'5 or 5'6 with nice tits and thin (not skinny) body. "Thin" in this case meaning athletic (jeans size 3 or 4. 2 can be a bit small, I need hips to grab), nice ass, normal abs, and taking care of yourself, not simply "not fat" because you are young and your bad habits haven't caught up with you.

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[Midwestern]

Just got pinged by another 4-9 Latina. WTF? Am I on the digs tiny Latinas playlist? This is just too strange.

Good news is I am set to meet one of them at her place Wednesday. She's clearly fairly pro. And oh BTW, biggest tell if she is a pro is she calls you "hun" or "love". LOL. Seems consistent.

I've had a few small gals. On the one hand, you feel huge and awesome, not just dick size huge, but you feel like a massive person, so it's kind of a turn on. On the other hand, you feel like you're fucking a toy, LOL.

[Pessimist]

Once one guy pays $400, girls will try to make $400 the going rate. These girls talk to each other, just like we do. Girls do equate their self worth w the amount they get. They also compete w each other. If one gets $350, her friend (and competitor) wants $400 for bragging rights and to establish her place in the female hierarchy. Keeping an SB is a lot of work. The increased drama comes w a lower, albeit regular and reliable allowance (if they treat their guy well).

In short, the increased rate is caused by other guys providing too much cash to these girls. Wait for the market to put things back in perspective. Giving in means you accept the change.

Girls talk to each other in FKKs or brothels. They talk to each other if they know other sugarbabes. If you are logging in as a sugar babe seeking sugar daddy, you are not able to see the profile of other sugar babes nor contact them. I don't know how you think all the sugar babes talk to each other, and how they come to know about the money you paid to another sugar babe. If they already happened to know each other, yes, then they would.

In the city I live, there are literally hundreds listed at any given time actively seeking, in the white, slim, 20-30 age category. They are scattered throughout the greater metro area and into the suburbs. I know for a fact that very few of them know each other.

And no, there is no market. One of the frustrating things about sugar babe business is precisely that many girls have no clear clue what is the market. Some real pretty girls ask relatively cheap amounts and some so so hags ask for 350 or 400. If they have another friend who has been a sugarbabe in the past, the new girl may have an idea what to expect. Otherwise, they are just randomly guessing. I also had sugar babes who asked for 300 or 350 but ended up accepting 200 to 250. If you are patient, nice but firm, and negotiate gently, you will get good deals.

[Midwestern]

Simple laws of supply and demand means there will be an equilibrium price. So, if everyone is quoting 400, then that's probably the equilibrium price where the market clears. It'll be hard to find lower prices, but they can be found. Sometimes though, you get what you pay for, if you know what I mean.

Steve, expanding your search to include older SBs isn't necessarily a bad thing. I met some that were in their 40's. I don't think I had any bad experiences. In fact, most were amazing in the sack, and most provided genuine GFE. But they are a bit less fun, that's all.

Yeah, I also noticed the short latinas when I was active on SA. But after having been with gals just shy of 5 feet, I set my filter to 5 feet 2.

[Steve 9696]

Well I've been struggling a bit locally. Met one girl for lunch but she was a newbie and got cold feet the next day. Lesson: Stick to evening meetups and close the deal that night.

After struggling I widened my filter to wider age range and OK with kids. Much more active last couple days. Four girls looking quite likely (with age and kid downsides). But here's the funny thing two are under 5 ft Latinas. One 4-9 and the other 4-10. Not kidding. WTF? A rush on tiny Latinas! They both seem DTF. One more a pro. One sorta new but not shy.

Oh and $400 keeps emerging as "the price". It's kinda funny actually like there is price fixing!

Just got pinged by another 4-9 Latina. WTF? Am I on the digs tiny Latinas playlist? This is just too strange.

Good news is I am set to meet one of them at her place Wednesday. She's clearly fairly pro. And oh BTW, biggest tell if she is a pro is she calls you "hun" or "love". LOL. Seems consistent.

[Jckgmn]

Well I've been struggling a bit locally. Met one girl for lunch but she was a newbie and got cold feet the next day. Lesson: Stick to evening meetups and close the deal that night.

After struggling I widened my filter to wider age range and OK with kids. Much more active last couple days. Four girls looking quite likely (with age and kid downsides). But here's the funny thing two are under 5 ft Latinas. One 4-9 and the other 4-10. Not kidding. WTF? A rush on tiny Latinas! They both seem DTF. One more a pro. One sorta new but not shy.

Oh and $400 keeps emerging as "the price". It's kinda funny actually like there is price fixing!

Once one guy pays $400, girls will try to make $400 the going rate. These girls talk to each other, just like we do. Girls do equate their self worth w the amount they get. They also compete w each other. If one gets $350, her friend (and competitor) wants $400 for bragging rights and to establish her place in the female hierarchy. Keeping an SB is a lot of work. The increased drama comes w a lower, albeit regular and reliable allowance (if they treat their guy well).

In short, the increased rate is caused by other guys providing too much cash to these girls. Wait for the market to put things back in perspective. Giving in means you accept the change.

[PilotPaul]

That being said, I have been planning a trip to China but I guess I will put that on hold until this virus settles down. I have made contact with a few women in Hong Kong recently, lining up a few to visit while I am there. In our conversations most of them saying they enjoy making investments but none of them pushing me to invest which is strange. I have figured out almost all of them are living in mainland China but have a HK area code.
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Sorry to suggest this, but all of the chinese women that purport to be 'investors' are out to scam you. It's easy to get phone numbers from anywhere and use whatsapp. If you consider that wechat is the mainland China communications app of choice why they using whatsapp? To avoid being monitored. The girls even say that hey don't have Whatsapp. Which is unlikely. Sadly these 'investment' girls are just playing the love scam for fraud.

That being said there are millions of beautiful asian and chinese girls who are worthy of pursuit. For me, I love the cute things they wear or the way they will tie their hair etc.

For the next year though, we have to find avenues closer to home. Can I suggest you broaden your search from "asian" to "mixed". Perhaps their are girls of mixed heritage that will still have those wonderful asian eyes.

PP.

[Steve 9696]

Well I've been struggling a bit locally. Met one girl for lunch but she was a newbie and got cold feet the next day. Lesson: Stick to evening meetups and close the deal that night.

After struggling I widened my filter to wider age range and OK with kids. Much more active last couple days. Four girls looking quite likely (with age and kid downsides). But here's the funny thing — two are under 5 ft Latinas. One 4-9 and the other 4-10. Not kidding. WTF? A rush on tiny Latinas! They both seem DTF. One more a pro. One sorta new but not shy.

Oh and $400 keeps emerging as "the price". It's kinda funny actually like there is price fixing!

[Travel902]

Just wanted to thanks you guys for sharing your stories and experiences using SA.

I come from a small city in Canada so there is not a lot going on here in what I am looking for (Asian) on SA. At the present moment there are only 3 active Asian women in my city or within 100 miles and at my winter home in Mexico there are none! I did have a nice time with a young university student last year, I just love the way they take care of you.

That being said, I have been planning a trip to China but I guess I will put that on hold until this virus settles down. I have made contact with a few women in Hong Kong recently, lining up a few to visit while I am there. In our conversations most of them saying they enjoy making investments but none of them pushing me to invest which is strange. I have figured out almost all of them are living in mainland China but have a HK area code.

Thanks for sharing and I will contribute where and when I can.

Travel.

[Midwestern]

I got the paid membership for the site couple of days back and it's been quiet an experience.

I get 10's of chicks from Venezuela and ever a few in US that want money for nude pics and videos. That's a pass, why would I pay money when so much is on the internet for free.

I haven't met anyone for lunch / dinner yet but looks like every one wants $500 per meeting one even wanted $1000 for each meeting and $5000 monthly, I'm not paying that kind of money.

There was one that wanted $200 to see me. She looked liked a hooker to begin with.

Then there was one that had the pictures of a beautiful blonde European girl but asked me to send gas money so she can come see me. Smelled like a scam from a mile away. Another one wanted me to send her $30 so she knows I'm serious. Waste of time. But that shows me there are guys falling for these scams.

Someone commented that average girl has a pretty short lifespan on SA, I agree with that.

I contacted and chatted with hundreds of SBs over a 20 month period. Maybe I chatted with a 1000. I ended up only agreeing to meet 50-100, and then eventually hooked up with 23-25. That's not bad. That's hooking up with a non-pro hottie more than once per month. About half of them became regulars that lasted for a few months. Again, not bad. But it was like a full time job. I was on SA for hours every day to find these few gems. So, gems are out there, but it takes time.

I look for genuine stories on SA. Examples include the bored 23 year old recent college graduate who moved back in with her parents, or the nanny that needs extra income to pay her rent in a big city, or the graduate student who is tired on living on a limited budget, or the person who quit her job to start a new business. Stuff like that.

I also avoided SBs that were SA members for longer than a few months. Those SBs have become jaded and are pretty much pros now IMHO.

The profiles that just said, "SB wants to be spoiled by her SD" or "Just want to have fun" are ones that I just passed over. This is mostly because I was looking for semi-genuine GFE.

Good luck.

[PilotPaul]

I haven't met anyone for lunch / dinner yet but looks like every one wants $500 per meeting one even wanted $1000 for each meeting and $5000 monthly, I'm not paying that kind of money.

Sounds like you are getting the entire gambit of claims. You can set filters on your messages which will ignore messages from girls more than Xx KMs away. That solves your Venezuelan problemo.

Think of the ridiculously high prices for virgin Japanese hillside wagyu beef hand raised by virgin heoibikuni as being on your favourite restaurant menu. It's reassuring to hear your 'venue' has high priced items but nobody is buying it. It simply serves to drag up the lower end prices.

Just remember it is the internet, be willing to block the obvious scams and put your mind the your defined target. Be sure to be specific about what you are seeking.

PP.

[Luminous]

I got the paid membership for the site couple of days back and it's been quiet an experience.

I get 10's of chicks from Venezuela and ever a few in US that want money for nude pics and videos. That's a pass, why would I pay money when so much is on the internet for free.

I haven't met anyone for lunch / dinner yet but looks like every one wants $500 per meeting one even wanted $1000 for each meeting and $5000 monthly, I'm not paying that kind of money.

There was one that wanted $200 to see me. She looked liked a hooker to begin with.

Then there was one that had the pictures of a beautiful blonde European girl but asked me to send gas money so she can come see me. Smelled like a scam from a mile away. Another one wanted me to send her $30 so she knows I'm serious. Waste of time. But that shows me there are guys falling for these scams.

Someone commented that average girl has a pretty short lifespan on SA, I agree with that.

[PilotPaul]

I entirely second that. Any girl that is that demanding and disrespectful will be a handful. And you are unlikely to get a good experience. No matter how much you pay her, it will not be enough. We are not looking for high maintainace girls who behave like cheap hookers.

It is amazing how many newbies there are on SA that fill this above profile. Girls join the site expecting that guys will be sending cash gifts there way just because they are girls. There may be the 0. 01% of SB that the stories / blogs get written about. These girls are stunners and performers I am sure.

For the majority of girls that join they need to accept that it's going to be cash for sex.

It would be interesting to know the SA stats on average life of a girl profile. So many seem to go dormant after 2-3 days and never come back.

Here's a SA protip. Did you know you can get a new profile with someone else's valid email address? If you think that a girl has blocked you, go to your incognito browser window, register a new account using the enquiry address of your local tyre shop or some other random but valid address ie elonm@tesla.com or sales@mytyreshop.co.uk . Then hit SKIP on all of the profile setup. You can now search profiles as needed. As long as you keep this incognito browser open, the login stays. Presumably the email will get the confirmation email into spam or ignore.

PP.

[Akibono]

Steve covered this already and his advice is spot on! But my gosh I have to be a second voice to seriously emphasize what we have been saying for a while now, that you should not be paying to meet the girl! Nothing! That is extremely bad practice. You can't put the girl in the driver's seat. She wants what's in your wallet and you want what's in her pants. Neither has a higher value (unless you assign a higher value to it). In all honesty, if she wants to compare how much time is worth, then in most cases they should be paying us. Comparing a professional's rate per hour to a college (or fresh out of college) girl's pay rate easily shows that our time is worth more (example: a consultant making 250/ HR compared to single mom / college girl making 20/ HR.). Just saying.

I personally don't allow much direction from the girl early on. I pick the initial venues for safety, etc. After I know her a bit, I don't mind going to places that she likes. I had one girl that I was getting along with great and we were supposed to meet for lunch. I probably would have been banging her that night. We were supposed to meet at 1 pm. She texted me, "Call me an uber at 1230". What? LOL. No request? Not "Can you call me an uber?" (I would have). I don't take kindly to demands. I probably suffer from having too many choices and attention on SA, but I cut her at that moment. No questions, no response, nothing. Move on to the next girl that I actually called an Uber for because she asked very nicely. LOL. My tolerance is almost nonexistent for demands, rudeness, greedy requests, or anything that's generally not nice. IMHO, we need to meet respectfully in the middle. After we decide to take the arrangement path, then we can have a great time as long as the benefits continue to flow freely in both directions. WIth that being said, I don't mind calling Uber to bring the girls to me. They usually like the gesture and it starts the communion on the right foot, but that is the most out of pocket that should be spent with an initial M&G IMHO..

I entirely second that. Any girl that is that demanding and disrespectful will be a handful. And you are unlikely to get a good experience. No matter how much you pay her, it will not be enough. We are not looking for high maintainace girls who behave like cheap hookers.