Seeking Arrangements

[AmericanPi]

I have lost count, but I have been on a major hot streak in the CDMX. I did get stood up Saturday night, at my favorite restaurant by one of my regular girls. Kind of sucked, I was the only person by myself at the restaurant, but I still had fun with the staff and I was busy texting new girls. I left a big tip, too make up for taking a table, everybody was happy.

I wax back Sunday with a new girl. Another great weekend, CDMX keeps exceeding my expectations.

Not everyone's jam but since we are doing show and tell on tips:

I actually keep a password-protected document on my computer. It logs.

- who I am in contact with.

- pictures of them (since they often come down and up).

- their contact info (since sometimes girls leave SA).

- what offer I made them (since sometimes I do diff amt).

- what I thought of them if we met and whether I would do again.

Because once you get past 5 or 6 experiences they start to blend together. The registry helps.

Lord I pray nobody ever sees it tho. It's pretty explicit. Eg "let me do an-l but wasn't happy about it."

[NeilGeorge]

How is this even a question? Based on your criteria, then everyone here on this forum is a sex addict.

A few years ago, I had sex with seven women over a span of 12 hours in Germany, not including the countless sessions prior during my week long trip. No one would say that I am a sex addict and I surely don't need help on this.

If anything, I would need help to get me back to form so that I can bang that many women again in a single day.

Who Is a Sex Addict?

Although sex addicts may act out sexually in many different ways, there are common elements that seem to characterize our addiction:

Powerlessness over addictive sexual behavior.

Resulting unmanageability of his / her life.

Feelings of shame, pain, and self-loathing.

Failed promises and attempts to stop acting out.

Preoccupation with sex leading to ritual.

Progressive worsening of negative consequences.

https://saa-recovery.org/am-i-a-sex-addict/ Find a meeting! You may need help!

[NeilGeorge]

How is this even a question? Based on your criteria, then everyone here on this forum is a sex addict.

A few years ago, I had sex with seven women over a span of 12 hours in Germany, not including the countless sessions prior during my week long trip. No one would say that I am a sex addict and I surely don't need help on this.

If anything, I would need help to get me back to form so that I can bang that many women again in a single day.

Please read:

https://www.verywellmind.com/treatme...iction-5210412#citation-2.

You are / may be a sex addict if you are:

Spending an excessive amount of time-consuming pornographic content or masturbating.

Paying for sex.

Cheating on partners.

Habitually visiting strip clubs.

Some of the most common indicators that you might have sex addiction include:

Being unable to stop yourself from engaging in certain sexual behaviors.

Becoming distressed when you are prevented from engaging in sexual activities and behaviors.

Neglecting essential aspects of your life, such as work and personal relationships, to engage in sexual activities and behaviors.

Engaging in risky sexual activities like having sex in public.

Continuing to engage in risky sexual behavior at the expense of your physical and mental health.

Masturbating compulsively and frequently.

The most common course of treatment for mental health conditions like sex addiction involves psychotherapy and medication. Do you need help?

[Steve 9696]

I concur with Elvis.

What my hypothesis is that some women are not asking for the money is that they are playing the long game. They are either physically attracted or find that we could be a suitable partner long or short term that can provide the physical / emotional and lifestyle they want.

I have no issue with those that want the money also. Because, I want the sex.

I'm 48, look about 35 and really have the lifestyle that they see on Instagram / tik tok. The 20 yo I'm fucking from Montreal has told me that I'm such a "flex" and her friends all commented when we met them at bar that my "BDE".

Was dripping on floor. I had no idea what that meant but had to google it when she left.

So even though SA is not a dating website, many women still want a secure, well spoken, real man.

From 2017 -2020 I was fucking 2 girls, one from Globe Club and the other from Aphrodesia for free while they were still working there. Actually, they both are still working, except now both are at Aphrodesia, LOL. There was no long courtship, just one night on one of my trips and exchanged numbers. They would fly to wherever I was in Europe, one even came to NYC. I would reimburse their flight and paid for all of our dinners etc. But, no other payments, I bought them birthday gifts and Christmas etc but no allowance, PPM etc. These were professional WGs at 2 of the most famous sex clubs in the world.

Ended up paying for an abortion, but that's a different story on what not to do, LOL.

Haha. BDE. I think us old guys just call it charisma. And it sounds like you have that in spades (haha another old guy reference!) plus maybe some looks or youth to go with. But yeah def charisma / BDE is 90% of winning in the Sugar game.

P.S. Hope folks don't need to look up DNFTT but that seems pretty relevant in this thread at the moment! Hahaha.

[DramaFree11]

Since we are sharing stats, here's mine from SA only, and thanks to this forum and information shared, I have been able to make some inroads. Granted, I only started using SA in March this year making two trips to Colombia (mainly Bogota and Cartagena). Naturally, all of them are Latinas. If I do my math correctly, I think I had 8. A few of them were repeats during my stay.

2 office manager or admin.

1 waitress.

1 teacher.

4 college students.

This platform has opened up possibilities.

I have lost count, but I have been on a major hot streak in the CDMX. I did get stood up Saturday night, at my favorite restaurant by one of my regular girls. Kind of sucked, I was the only person by myself at the restaurant, but I still had fun with the staff and I was busy texting new girls. I left a big tip, too make up for taking a table, everybody was happy.

I wax back Sunday with a new girl. Another great weekend, CDMX keeps exceeding my expectations.

[FastMdSter]

This is just so people know your history.

When I wrote the right of guy, it was in reference to these two encounters.

So Jack, things like this have happened to me too. Most times I met a seeking girl there was a price, but there were times when money was not discussed and when I tried to give a woman money, it was either refused or questioned. So having had years of contemplation on the matter, let me spill it out because I like FastMDster was initially confused. When a woman refuses money from a guy on seeking, it means she likes you and wants to date you. She cares more about you than your money.

Thing is we have been trained to think these 9,10 types like FastMD describes do not want guys like us; they want their Ken Doll types. Unlike other women, these 9,10 types have had said men and dealt with their insecurity and have seen them get by through life on their looks and charm. Worse, if you go out with a Ken Doll, you have to share him. The good Ken Dolls have been snatched up, and the left over guys are often boring, insecure, lazy, drug using, video game playing losers who despite their looks are lousy in bed.

Maybe you cannot say this about yourself but there are so many ways I am better than in my 20's, and a lot of women care more about those things than having Ken Dolls. Sexually speaking in my 20's, I used to be thrilled if I could make a woman cum. Now I think there is something wrong with a woman if she does not. I did not believe it when so many women said I was good in bed, but I realize that if the women were fucking 20 year olds who fucked like I used to, maybe it is true. Without seeking, these women would not be able to meet the right kind of men: worldly, intelligent, successful, secure non-asshole types who rock their world in bed.

Holding on to the belief that you are not going to care for a woman is a protective mechanism when you are dealing with a WG. It is confusing then when a woman is offered money and turns you down. All that is left is that she likes you or the long con. After that, when you fuck them again and again for no money and your expenses are the same as if you had a GF, the whole long con concept fades away.

I think you and a lot of other guys suffer from cognitive dissonance on this matter.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is...onance-2795012

The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the mental discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes. People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so this conflict causes feelings of unease or discomfort.

Everyone experiences cognitive dissonance to some degree, but that doesn't mean that it is always easy to recognize.

So how do I know that I am not suffering from cognitive dissonance and you are? Because I have felt what you have felt and get why you are like you are. It is emotionally protective.

But for your POV to be right in this case, I have to be lying and there is no way you can know that and so does FastMD, and you have to somehow know the motivation of every woman on seeking. In short, you have no facts to back up your beliefs. Your contention that all the women on seeking are WGs and men who think otherwise are fools is not supported by anything other than your wanting it so. That is classic cognitive dissonance.

Guys should hold onto their belief that many if not most women on seeking are WGs, but they should be open to the fact that there are women out there that like them for more than their money. One thing women do that men need to copy is shit testing. Tell a woman that this hat / dress ETC would look great on you and see if she tries it on and wants you to buy it for her. My gal passed so many shit tests I do not bother with them anymore. A good productive gal will love to do things for you and prove her worth. A WG type will always be looking to take.

The reason I spent so much time on this is my gal is a 9,10 type, and I almost talked myself out of the possibility that she liked me for me. That is why Jack holding onto your belief can be incredibly destructive. Not all women want Ken Dolls.

I concur with Elvis.

What my hypothesis is that some women are not asking for the money is that they are playing the long game. They are either physically attracted or find that we could be a suitable partner long or short term that can provide the physical / emotional and lifestyle they want.

I have no issue with those that want the money also. Because, I want the sex.

I'm 48, look about 35 and really have the lifestyle that they see on Instagram / tik tok. The 20 yo I'm fucking from Montreal has told me that I'm such a "flex" and her friends all commented when we met them at bar that my "BDE".

Was dripping on floor. I had no idea what that meant but had to google it when she left.

So even though SA is not a dating website, many women still want a secure, well spoken, real man.

From 2017 -2020 I was fucking 2 girls, one from Globe Club and the other from Aphrodesia for free while they were still working there. Actually, they both are still working, except now both are at Aphrodesia, LOL. There was no long courtship, just one night on one of my trips and exchanged numbers. They would fly to wherever I was in Europe, one even came to NYC. I would reimburse their flight and paid for all of our dinners etc. But, no other payments, I bought them birthday gifts and Christmas etc but no allowance, PPM etc. These were professional WGs at 2 of the most famous sex clubs in the world.

Ended up paying for an abortion, but that's a different story on what not to do, LOL.

[Ggekko2009]

Would you consider yourself a Sex Addict? You may need help!

How is this even a question? Based on your criteria, then everyone here on this forum is a sex addict.

A few years ago, I had sex with seven women over a span of 12 hours in Germany, not including the countless sessions prior during my week long trip. No one would say that I am a sex addict and I surely don't need help on this.

If anything, I would need help to get me back to form so that I can bang that many women again in a single day.

[Ggekko2009]

I was just doing a rough tally and damn I do skew to the exotics. Here's a bit of accounting. This is Seeking only. Obv in Colombia saw a ton of Colombianas and London / Germany was all Ro-girls. Here's a rough SA tally:

Black 11 BlackMix 3 White 4 LatinaMix 2 Mexican 1 Colombian 4, Peruvian 2, Brazilian 3 Chinese 1 VietMix 1 Viet 1 Cambodian 1 MidEastern 2 Lao 1.

Blackish 14.

Latina 12.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

So 90% non-white.

College student Waitress Stripper Cust Service Yoga Instructor Office Manager Receptionist Care Giver Med Student Maid Law Student Gamer Chemist Actress.

Since we are sharing stats, here's mine from SA only, and thanks to this forum and information shared, I have been able to make some inroads. Granted, I only started using SA in March this year making two trips to Colombia (mainly Bogota and Cartagena). Naturally, all of them are Latinas. If I do my math correctly, I think I had 8. A few of them were repeats during my stay.

2 office manager or admin.

1 waitress.

1 teacher.

4 college students.

This platform has opened up possibilities.

[Elvis 2008]

LOL.

"The right kind of guy" . On SA.

Damn, that was funny.

This is just so people know your history.

I said the women on these sites are worse than prostitutes because prostitutes are at least honest about who they are and what's happening.

If guys want to fool themselves into believing that they're seducing incredible women and that they're really only giving "gifts" instead of a fee, that's their (unfortunate and sad) business. But the rest of us are free to laugh at the absurdity of it.

As I said earlier, stop paying and see how long any of these "relationships" last.

When I wrote the right of guy, it was in reference to these two encounters.

I offered her 800 CAD, she didn't know how much because I just pulled what was in my wallet and she got really offended. I was confused, because I knew she didn't know how much it was. But, she said she is not an escort. Even more confused now.

She told me to keep it. It was an amazing time and would like to see where this goes. So was a win.

Then I pulled the same 800 CAD out of my wallet from the night before and went to give it to her. She said no. She can't remember having sex and a connection that good. Another win. Not sure how much more I want to test my luck.

So Jack, things like this have happened to me too. Most times I met a seeking girl there was a price, but there were times when money was not discussed and when I tried to give a woman money, it was either refused or questioned. So having had years of contemplation on the matter, let me spill it out because I like FastMDster was initially confused. When a woman refuses money from a guy on seeking, it means she likes you and wants to date you. She cares more about you than your money.

Thing is we have been trained to think these 9,10 types like FastMD describes do not want guys like us; they want their Ken Doll types. Unlike other women, these 9,10 types have had said men and dealt with their insecurity and have seen them get by through life on their looks and charm. Worse, if you go out with a Ken Doll, you have to share him. The good Ken Dolls have been snatched up, and the left over guys are often boring, insecure, lazy, drug using, video game playing losers who despite their looks are lousy in bed.

Maybe you cannot say this about yourself but there are so many ways I am better than in my 20's, and a lot of women care more about those things than having Ken Dolls. Sexually speaking in my 20's, I used to be thrilled if I could make a woman cum. Now I think there is something wrong with a woman if she does not. I did not believe it when so many women said I was good in bed, but I realize that if the women were fucking 20 year olds who fucked like I used to, maybe it is true. Without seeking, these women would not be able to meet the right kind of men: worldly, intelligent, successful, secure non-asshole types who rock their world in bed.

Holding on to the belief that you are not going to care for a woman is a protective mechanism when you are dealing with a WG. It is confusing then when a woman is offered money and turns you down. All that is left is that she likes you or the long con. After that, when you fuck them again and again for no money and your expenses are the same as if you had a GF, the whole long con concept fades away.

I think you and a lot of other guys suffer from cognitive dissonance on this matter.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is...onance-2795012

The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the mental discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes. People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so this conflict causes feelings of unease or discomfort.

Everyone experiences cognitive dissonance to some degree, but that doesn't mean that it is always easy to recognize.

So how do I know that I am not suffering from cognitive dissonance and you are? Because I have felt what you have felt and get why you are like you are. It is emotionally protective.

But for your POV to be right in this case, I have to be lying and there is no way you can know that and so does FastMD, and you have to somehow know the motivation of every woman on seeking. In short, you have no facts to back up your beliefs. Your contention that all the women on seeking are WGs and men who think otherwise are fools is not supported by anything other than your wanting it so. That is classic cognitive dissonance.

Guys should hold onto their belief that many if not most women on seeking are WGs, but they should be open to the fact that there are women out there that like them for more than their money. One thing women do that men need to copy is shit testing. Tell a woman that this hat / dress ETC would look great on you and see if she tries it on and wants you to buy it for her. My gal passed so many shit tests I do not bother with them anymore. A good productive gal will love to do things for you and prove her worth. A WG type will always be looking to take.

The reason I spent so much time on this is my gal is a 9,10 type, and I almost talked myself out of the possibility that she liked me for me. That is why Jack holding onto your belief can be incredibly destructive. Not all women want Ken Dolls.

[NeilGeorge]

I was just doing a rough tally and damn I do skew to the exotics. Here's a bit of accounting. This is Seeking only. Obv in Colombia saw a ton of Colombianas and London / Germany was all Ro-girls. Here's a rough SA tally:

Black 11 BlackMix 3 White 4 LatinaMix 2 Mexican 1 Colombian 4, Peruvian 2, Brazilian 3 Chinese 1 VietMix 1 Viet 1 Cambodian 1 MidEastern 2 Lao 1.

Blackish 14.

Latina 12.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

So 90% non-white.

College student Waitress Stripper Cust Service Yoga Instructor Office Manager Receptionist Care Giver Med Student Maid Law Student Gamer Chemist Actress.

Would you consider yourself a Sex Addict? You may need help!

[AsianPursuits]

So just returned from Montreal and Vancouver.

Vancouver is a great destination.

Be well.

Thanks for the detailed field report.

[Skepti10]

Yes, do SA in Spain! I was recently in Madrid and you will find too many girls that are happy with 200 EU

Thanks for the response. How recently did you visit Madrid and got interest for 200 EUR? Which age group showed interest? Do you speak Spanish or English with them? I don't speak any Spanish (or French) so hopefully that won't be a problem.

As for money I usually hand it to them just before they head off, I found there was no awkwardness with this process but I usually make the ppm aspect very clear before we meet. Once or twice I did the envelope thing because the hotel had one available. And one time after the girl left I realized we both forgot about the money, ended up transferring the money online using our real names. She was very cool about it.

[Jack Miami]

I do not think you will get away with not mentioning $ in the USA. That is not a knock on you but American women.

It is funny how many guys think ALL the women on seeking are just WGs. Sure, some maybe even most are, but there are women just interested in meeting the right kind of guy.

LOL.

"The right kind of guy" . On SA.

Damn, that was funny.

[Steve 9696]

I was just doing a rough tally and damn I do skew to the exotics. Here's a bit of accounting. This is Seeking only. Obv in Colombia saw a ton of Colombianas and London / Germany was all Ro-girls. Here's a rough SA tally:

Black 11 BlackMix 3 White 4 LatinaMix 2 Mexican 1 Colombian 4, Peruvian 2, Brazilian 3 Chinese 1 VietMix 1 Viet 1 Cambodian 1 MidEastern 2 Lao 1.

Blackish 14.

Latina 12.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

So 90% non-white.

College student Waitress Stripper Cust Service Yoga Instructor Office Manager Receptionist Care Giver Med Student Maid Law Student Gamer Chemist Actress.

[LshRoomer]

I will visit Europe for a work trip in Sep and was thinking about whether to re-new my SA membership. Have any of the guys here had any recent experiences there and can provide some advice?

I'll be in town for 1. 5 weeks which frankly may not be enough time, but I loved my SA time when I was in Australia & New Zealand (in 2020) and hope to replicate the experiences.

If you've seen my Barcelona post my preferences are 18-22 years old white girls who are petite / flat stomach. What sort of prices should I expect to pay for a meet-up with a few drinks at a bar & then back to the room for a few hours?

Will 350 EUR be reasonable for Paris? How about 250 EUR for Barcelona? Keep in mind I prefer the younger girls and have little interest in 26+ and zero interest in 30+.

For information in Sydney 2020 I paid 400 AUD ( 270 EUR) for white girls & 300 AUD ( 200 EUR) for Asians (with the exception of 1 honest to god 22 year old submissive Japanese nurse, who I spoiled beyond belief). In Auckland that same year I paid 400-600 ( 245 EUR to 370 EUR) NZD for white girls & 300 NZD ( 180 EUR) for Asians.

Yes, do SA in Spain! I was recently in Madrid and you will find too many girls that are happy with 200 EU (I personally can't keep up with the responses). Try to start your conversations about 3-5 days before. I noticed lately that the girls have been more aggressive and ready to meet a lot sooner which has made me start the contact process closer to my arrival date instead of about 10 days out. After 1-2 days of chatting, their attitude becomes like, "This guy is cool, what are we waiting for? When are we meeting?" The 200 eu will be for a complete outing, possibly with an overnight with the same type you mentioned above (slim, natural). 1 - 1. 5 weeks is plenty of time to easily have experiences with multiple girls. Some girls will 100% want to repeat. When they find a guy who's not an asshole, not arrogant, cool, and doesn't treat them like a prostitute, it's a no brainer to repeat the outing.

I'm not sure if Barcelona has the same vibe, but from what I've read, it's more touristy so you may have more WGs and / or higher prices.

Please report back on Paris. I have yet to have any french experiences.

A question comes up though. How do you guys normally hand over the $?

Steve just mentioned the envelop method and I must admit that I'm digging the lack of a transaction (going to try it next time). And the extra toothbrush. Yes!. Added to my toolbox.

I normally hand over the cash at the end of the night / morning and almost always say something like, "Hey, I want you go out and buy yourself something nice", or if we are meeting again soon, "here, I want you to buy something sexy for tonight / tomorrow".

On the uber / accounts / etc note: it's good to keep everything separate. Uber, email, whatsapp, etc should be separate accounts, not linked in any way to your real world.

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