Seeking Arrangements

[Ggekko2009]

I really wonder how much of a factor the Middle Eastern look is to your experience. I also have a bit of an Arab / Indian look and I am beginning to wonder if there is an element of European girls not being very open to non-Caucasian males.

I also haven't had much luck in UK and Europe. In Istanbul (where there's clear racism and dislike towards Arabs) a girl came to meet me at my hotel bar. She wasn't open to sex, so she said just kissing and playing for like 30 minutes. I told her 200 Euro's (I know it's a stupid price but just wanted to experience it for the sake of it). She said no she wants 600 Euro's. I said no and she left. So she ended up with nothing when she could have bagged an easy 200 Euro's which is a lot of money for Turkey.

Hahaha Make it make sense?

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more so in Eastern Europe.

Several years back, I was in Germany doing my FKK tour. These clubs at NRW like Golden Time, which had since been burned down, usually had these steel gates in front of their entrance that are closed. To enter, you need to be buzzed in after the bouncer get to see who you were first. There were like middle eastern looking guys that were consecutively denied entry, while I was just waved through the entrance. For reference, I am Asian. Later I learned such discriminations were common for middle eastern and black guys. Now this is Germany, a supposedly liberal European country. Imagine a less tolerant and less diverse Eastern European countries.

[Steve 9696]

I second your comment about Max. Had the pleasure of him as a wingman in SP. Awesome guy.

BTW Steve, your mailbox is full. Can't reply to your pm.

What we want to hear from all our girls!128514;.

[SocratesNY]

Hey man. Thanks for the props. But you are in fact the best wingman ever, leaving me with two hotties when there was def enough for us both. LOL.

May be tapped out on South America this year. But who knows. I did enjoy my time there.

I second your comment about Max. Had the pleasure of him as a wingman in SP. Awesome guy.

BTW Steve, your mailbox is full. Can't reply to your pm.

[Jbob084]

Hey guys,

Sometimes I feel like I'm coming from another planet and miss some of the basic stuff. Clearly, I need a manual for SA when I compare my terrible experience with yours, guys.

Just a recap, I'm a French guy of Middle Eastern origins, 35 yo, working in IT, average looking, tall and fit (1 m87/82 kg). I speak 3 languages + a little bit of Russian. I like petite white blonde EE girls (my ideal being Russians), slim with flat tummy, 19-24 yo..

I really wonder how much of a factor the Middle Eastern look is to your experience. I also have a bit of an Arab / Indian look and I am beginning to wonder if there is an element of European girls not being very open to non-Caucasian males.

I also haven't had much luck in UK and Europe. In Istanbul (where there's clear racism and dislike towards Arabs) a girl came to meet me at my hotel bar. She wasn't open to sex, so she said just kissing and playing for like 30 minutes. I told her 200 Euro's (I know it's a stupid price but just wanted to experience it for the sake of it). She said no she wants 600 Euro's. I said no and she left. So she ended up with nothing when she could have bagged an easy 200 Euro's which is a lot of money for Turkey.

Hahaha Make it make sense?

[Ggekko2009]

Spain is the place in Europe!

How about Lisbon or Portugal in general? Any insights there?

[DramaFree11]

I know you know this DF but you def don't ever want to go to a restaurant and be sitting waiting for her. Although I am rarely if ever stood up lateness is de rigueur esp with South American girls where it's culturally accepted. I always confirm they are on their way (they often lie!) but then just go to the bar at the restaurant once she seems close. Beats that empty table feeling. Plus its def more gentlemanly to meet her at the front when she arrives.

Yes, I do the same. I had confirmed, she said yes, earlier. The crazy part is we had met at least 5 times prior. Most of the restaurants in CDMX do not have bars, so it is not an option. Any way it was a good story.

[Steve 9696]

Great advice! I think the guys that are successful on SA, use failure as a motivator. If I get a bunch of, "no," it just means I need to work harder.

Also, when the model dumped me, I now use this a motivation to find something better. Additionally, I knew it was time for a change, so I moved on to CDMX and the rest is history.

Friday night when I got stood up at a fancy restaurant it was pretty embarrassing, but I ended up having a great time and got a couple of girls numbers on SA during that time.

Obviously never send money.

I know you know this DF but you def don't ever want to go to a restaurant and be sitting waiting for her. Although I am rarely if ever stood up lateness is de rigueur esp with South American girls where it's culturally accepted. I always confirm they are on their way (they often lie!) but then just go to the bar at the restaurant once she seems close. Beats that empty table feeling. Plus it’s def more gentlemanly to meet her at the front when she arrives.

[Steve 9696]

Always insightful comments online and even better in person.

When you coming back to Medellin Steve?

Hey man. Thanks for the props. But you are in fact the best wingman ever, leaving me with two hotties when there was def enough for us both. LOL.

May be tapped out on South America this year. But who knows. I did enjoy my time there.

[SfoCowboy]

Spain is the place in Europe!

Last in Spain. About 4 months ago. I pulled about 7 girls over to whatapp and with a week's time, I wasn't able to see them all (I tried). 200 EU was the number for these girls. Again, there were literally too many girls responding to chat them all up, so I chose the most promising and executed.

Age group: 20 - 27.

Language: I speak english with them. Even if you see a profile that you like in spanish, send her a message. She might speak english. In full disclosure, I've had quite a few girls respond that they are interested, but do not speak english. Those are a no go for me. But I'm a f*ck#ng hypocrite because one of the girls that I didn't' meet last trip (no time) doesn't speak english really at all (besides basic greetings) and we have been texting heavy over the past 2 weeks and making plans. I'm addicted to experiences and I need to experience all the girls. LOL. So sometimes, things may not be ideal, but it may become a hell of an experience.

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[DramaFree11]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25.

I think you may be suffering from a few things. First, every country is different. So just because this works in the US or London doesn't mean it works well in Eastern Europe. A lot of the countries you mention would be new territory even for the experienced members of this team. No telling whether SA is good or not.

Second, I think what you call failure is based on unrealistic expectations. You haven't really had much / any in person failure. You have had a lot of texting fails wasting time hitting dead ends etc. This is ABSOLUTELY part of Seeking. You will waste a ton of time and effort finding the right girl. Hours. Days. Just yesterday thought I had found a cutie in a dry area of the country. Nice chat. Talk about meetup. Then "can you send $25 I'm hungry". Damn. Dead end. Do I weep? Nope. Next next. I WILL find my next hottie but it's a huge time sink.

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam.

I suppose it's different everywhere, as I said. But I don't generally try to open with an offer of meetup. I usually pick something from their profile to start a conversation around and discuss mundane topics. If they won't engage in the convo then they are not for me.

Great advice! I think the guys that are successful on SA, use failure as a motivator. If I get a bunch of, "no," it just means I need to work harder.

Also, when the model dumped me, I now use this a motivation to find something better. Additionally, I knew it was time for a change, so I moved on to CDMX and the rest is history.

Friday night when I got stood up at a fancy restaurant it was pretty embarrassing, but I ended up having a great time and got a couple of girls numbers on SA during that time.

Obviously never send money.

[MaxLee88]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25.

I think you may be suffering from a few things. First, every country is different. So just because this works in the US or London doesn't mean it works well in Eastern Europe. A lot of the countries you mention would be new territory even for the experienced members of this team. No telling whether SA is good or not.

Second, I think what you call failure is based on unrealistic expectations. You haven't really had much / any in person failure. You have had a lot of texting fails wasting time hitting dead ends etc. This is ABSOLUTELY part of Seeking. You will waste a ton of time and effort finding the right girl. Hours. Days. Just yesterday thought I had found a cutie in a dry area of the country. Nice chat. Talk about meetup. Then "can you send $25 I'm hungry". Damn. Dead end. Do I weep? Nope. Next next. I WILL find my next hottie but it's a huge time sink.

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam..

Always insightful comments online and even better in person.

When you coming back to Medellin Steve?

[Steve 9696]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25.

I think you may be suffering from a few things. First, every country is different. So just because this works in the US or London doesn't mean it works well in Eastern Europe. A lot of the countries you mention would be new territory even for the experienced members of this team. No telling whether SA is good or not.

Second, I think what you call failure is based on unrealistic expectations. You haven't really had much / any in person failure. You have had a lot of texting fails wasting time hitting dead ends etc. This is ABSOLUTELY part of Seeking. You will waste a ton of time and effort finding the right girl. Hours. Days. Just yesterday thought I had found a cutie in a dry area of the country. Nice chat. Talk about meetup. Then "can you send $25 I'm hungry". Damn. Dead end. Do I weep? Nope. Next next. I WILL find my next hottie but it's a huge time sink.

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam.

I suppose it's different everywhere, as I said. But I don't generally try to open with an offer of meetup. I usually pick something from their profile to start a conversation around and discuss mundane topics. If they won't engage in the convo then they are not for me.

[FastMdSter]

Oh and I'm now in Riga. There are 5 girls I'm interested in. And again same shit, they see my messages, read it, sometimes check my profile (which obviously need work) and then never bother to reply.

And this baffles my mind, you live in a low income country, you are on SA and you don't even care to reply to a polite offer for a PAID platonic dinner date? What kind of world is this? 🙄.

Anyone got a suggestion? I'm starting to get really pissed off and I still have four days to kill here. Thanks for any soul having an idea how to get out of this whatever-zone I'm in on SA: the.

Ah yes, one replied with three words "Dinner date? -500". I'm sure she even just meant platonic. Platonic dinner date for 500? Get the fuck out of here. And these girls are all like "don't just say Hi, or how are you, please talk to me first" and then they reply with maximum two words.

Thank god I'm flying back to Dubai next week, fuck all this shit.

First, as you know you but broke the rule that you should not be sending anyone money.

Second, do you have pictures on your profile? Doesn't have to be public, can be private. Also, maybe you post your profile statement here. Could you post some of your introductory messages?

SA is a lot of work. It's a game of numbers. For the non-pros it requires more game. For the pros-and professional SBs it requires no game. When a woman responds with let's meet, number right away with no pic request you know she is a pro.

If you have pics, what kind are they? Does it show that you are a professional, cool etc that would hit the democratic you are targeting? An example, I have pics that connect me to my profession (but can't tie to my actual company), at the beach, at nightclubs / bars etc that they can see if we have something in common. The sub 30 woman always comment on my fit sets which I know makes them more amenable to connecting.

Even the ugly girls get a ton of messages I'm sure. I have seen how many messages these 8+ woman get per day and it's amazing.

Also, some areas may not be good for SA and better to just go pro. I'm on my way to Seattle and have had a great response, but I'm not sure if these women are as attractive as other areas to warrant the time and money and may go pro. They sure seem DTF though and message very quickly.

[MagicSheep74]

Oh and I'm now in Riga. There are 5 girls I'm interested in. And again same shit, they see my messages, read it, sometimes check my profile (which obviously need work) and then never bother to reply..

Hello,

I feel for you, so I will just share what's working for me, but on a side note most of the girls you contact in the Eastern Europeans countries are a ' handler ' a pimp essentially. That person you are chatting to knows a few girls that might be interested in Arrangement based vacations outside the country they are located. Eg. Serbian girls have no interest in meeting in Serbia, Latvian girls that have no interest in meeting in Latvia etc. If you notice the standard thread for these respective countries are also reporting they are more or less useless for mongering, so never expect anything different on SA. In these EE countries you really need to be connected to snatch these Instagram / model types. Even though these countries on the surface of things seem to be struggling economically, there is enough people with cash to keep these girls in regular SB / SD deals.

I have had a quite a lot of success using this method. Keeping in mind I don't really do PPM unless in London / Dubai / or some other reasonable well off place. My current thing is weekend trips in different cities in Europe. Luckily I am based in Europe, so low cost flights are easy, and if it all goes to shit, I have only lost $100 on a flight, and I always have a plan be if they are a no show. So far 4 European vacations this year 1. Prague, Budapest, Stockholm and Venice. All with girls from SA, and all girls have been from Venezuela' living in Spain, Dutch, Serbia, and Kazakstan ' Studying in Milan.

So all girls based in Europe, all girls get offered the same deal. 1. Paid flights after we video call, 2.5 Star Hotel, 3.1500 Euro's expenses for their time for the 3 days trip. So 500 Euro a day for 3 days.

None of the girls live in the place we meet, which seems to help.

Luckily for me I am not married, so my profile have multiple picture's showing who I actually am. I contact them and tell them I love to travel and am looking for short 3 day European vacations with the right girl. If she reads my message and replies, I insist we move immediately across to WhatsApp. Once conversing through WhatsApp, I tell them my travel plans and tell them my offer above.

Once agreed, I ask for a video call to get to know each other. If the girls makes any excuse, or does not want to. I end contact immediately and move on to the next one. Once agreed video has been done, and I feel confident I I like the girl in question. I book the flights and send her the ticket. I never send travel expenses and I never send money for PCR testing or other nonsense. Like I said previously if the girl is no show, I would only have lost $100 on flights and I would immediately find another girl locally on SA or utilize escorts for my entertainment in the specific city I am in.

Done it 4 times in the last 4 months, and each time the girl has showed up and everything has went smoothly. Just back from Venice with a legitimate Serbian model, so its possible, but privacy with these girls is incredibly important.

Best of luck.

[The Cane]

Anyone got a suggestion? Thank god I'm flying back to Dubai next week, fuck all this shit.

You answered your own question.