Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

I know you know this DF but you def don't ever want to go to a restaurant and be sitting waiting for her. Although I am rarely if ever stood up lateness is de rigueur esp with South American girls where it's culturally accepted. I always confirm they are on their way (they often lie!) but then just go to the bar at the restaurant once she seems close. Beats that empty table feeling. Plus its def more gentlemanly to meet her at the front when she arrives.

Yes, I do the same. I had confirmed, she said yes, earlier. The crazy part is we had met at least 5 times prior. Most of the restaurants in CDMX do not have bars, so it is not an option. Any way it was a good story.

[Steve 9696]

Great advice! I think the guys that are successful on SA, use failure as a motivator. If I get a bunch of, "no," it just means I need to work harder.

Also, when the model dumped me, I now use this a motivation to find something better. Additionally, I knew it was time for a change, so I moved on to CDMX and the rest is history.

Friday night when I got stood up at a fancy restaurant it was pretty embarrassing, but I ended up having a great time and got a couple of girls numbers on SA during that time.

Obviously never send money.

I know you know this DF but you def don't ever want to go to a restaurant and be sitting waiting for her. Although I am rarely if ever stood up lateness is de rigueur esp with South American girls where it's culturally accepted. I always confirm they are on their way (they often lie!) but then just go to the bar at the restaurant once she seems close. Beats that empty table feeling. Plus it’s def more gentlemanly to meet her at the front when she arrives.

[Steve 9696]

Always insightful comments online and even better in person.

When you coming back to Medellin Steve?

Hey man. Thanks for the props. But you are in fact the best wingman ever, leaving me with two hotties when there was def enough for us both. LOL.

May be tapped out on South America this year. But who knows. I did enjoy my time there.

[SfoCowboy]

Spain is the place in Europe!

Last in Spain. About 4 months ago. I pulled about 7 girls over to whatapp and with a week's time, I wasn't able to see them all (I tried). 200 EU was the number for these girls. Again, there were literally too many girls responding to chat them all up, so I chose the most promising and executed.

Age group: 20 - 27.

Language: I speak english with them. Even if you see a profile that you like in spanish, send her a message. She might speak english. In full disclosure, I've had quite a few girls respond that they are interested, but do not speak english. Those are a no go for me. But I'm a f*ck#ng hypocrite because one of the girls that I didn't' meet last trip (no time) doesn't speak english really at all (besides basic greetings) and we have been texting heavy over the past 2 weeks and making plans. I'm addicted to experiences and I need to experience all the girls. LOL. So sometimes, things may not be ideal, but it may become a hell of an experience.

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[DramaFree11]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25.

I think you may be suffering from a few things. First, every country is different. So just because this works in the US or London doesn't mean it works well in Eastern Europe. A lot of the countries you mention would be new territory even for the experienced members of this team. No telling whether SA is good or not.

Second, I think what you call failure is based on unrealistic expectations. You haven't really had much / any in person failure. You have had a lot of texting fails wasting time hitting dead ends etc. This is ABSOLUTELY part of Seeking. You will waste a ton of time and effort finding the right girl. Hours. Days. Just yesterday thought I had found a cutie in a dry area of the country. Nice chat. Talk about meetup. Then "can you send $25 I'm hungry". Damn. Dead end. Do I weep? Nope. Next next. I WILL find my next hottie but it's a huge time sink.

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam.

I suppose it's different everywhere, as I said. But I don't generally try to open with an offer of meetup. I usually pick something from their profile to start a conversation around and discuss mundane topics. If they won't engage in the convo then they are not for me.

Great advice! I think the guys that are successful on SA, use failure as a motivator. If I get a bunch of, "no," it just means I need to work harder.

Also, when the model dumped me, I now use this a motivation to find something better. Additionally, I knew it was time for a change, so I moved on to CDMX and the rest is history.

Friday night when I got stood up at a fancy restaurant it was pretty embarrassing, but I ended up having a great time and got a couple of girls numbers on SA during that time.

Obviously never send money.

[MaxLee88]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25.

I think you may be suffering from a few things. First, every country is different. So just because this works in the US or London doesn't mean it works well in Eastern Europe. A lot of the countries you mention would be new territory even for the experienced members of this team. No telling whether SA is good or not.

Second, I think what you call failure is based on unrealistic expectations. You haven't really had much / any in person failure. You have had a lot of texting fails wasting time hitting dead ends etc. This is ABSOLUTELY part of Seeking. You will waste a ton of time and effort finding the right girl. Hours. Days. Just yesterday thought I had found a cutie in a dry area of the country. Nice chat. Talk about meetup. Then "can you send $25 I'm hungry". Damn. Dead end. Do I weep? Nope. Next next. I WILL find my next hottie but it's a huge time sink.

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam..

Always insightful comments online and even better in person.

When you coming back to Medellin Steve?

[Steve 9696]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25.

I think you may be suffering from a few things. First, every country is different. So just because this works in the US or London doesn't mean it works well in Eastern Europe. A lot of the countries you mention would be new territory even for the experienced members of this team. No telling whether SA is good or not.

Second, I think what you call failure is based on unrealistic expectations. You haven't really had much / any in person failure. You have had a lot of texting fails wasting time hitting dead ends etc. This is ABSOLUTELY part of Seeking. You will waste a ton of time and effort finding the right girl. Hours. Days. Just yesterday thought I had found a cutie in a dry area of the country. Nice chat. Talk about meetup. Then "can you send $25 I'm hungry". Damn. Dead end. Do I weep? Nope. Next next. I WILL find my next hottie but it's a huge time sink.

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam.

I suppose it's different everywhere, as I said. But I don't generally try to open with an offer of meetup. I usually pick something from their profile to start a conversation around and discuss mundane topics. If they won't engage in the convo then they are not for me.

[FastMdSter]

Oh and I'm now in Riga. There are 5 girls I'm interested in. And again same shit, they see my messages, read it, sometimes check my profile (which obviously need work) and then never bother to reply.

And this baffles my mind, you live in a low income country, you are on SA and you don't even care to reply to a polite offer for a PAID platonic dinner date? What kind of world is this? 🙄.

Anyone got a suggestion? I'm starting to get really pissed off and I still have four days to kill here. Thanks for any soul having an idea how to get out of this whatever-zone I'm in on SA: the.

Ah yes, one replied with three words "Dinner date? -500". I'm sure she even just meant platonic. Platonic dinner date for 500? Get the fuck out of here. And these girls are all like "don't just say Hi, or how are you, please talk to me first" and then they reply with maximum two words.

Thank god I'm flying back to Dubai next week, fuck all this shit.

First, as you know you but broke the rule that you should not be sending anyone money.

Second, do you have pictures on your profile? Doesn't have to be public, can be private. Also, maybe you post your profile statement here. Could you post some of your introductory messages?

SA is a lot of work. It's a game of numbers. For the non-pros it requires more game. For the pros-and professional SBs it requires no game. When a woman responds with let's meet, number right away with no pic request you know she is a pro.

If you have pics, what kind are they? Does it show that you are a professional, cool etc that would hit the democratic you are targeting? An example, I have pics that connect me to my profession (but can't tie to my actual company), at the beach, at nightclubs / bars etc that they can see if we have something in common. The sub 30 woman always comment on my fit sets which I know makes them more amenable to connecting.

Even the ugly girls get a ton of messages I'm sure. I have seen how many messages these 8+ woman get per day and it's amazing.

Also, some areas may not be good for SA and better to just go pro. I'm on my way to Seattle and have had a great response, but I'm not sure if these women are as attractive as other areas to warrant the time and money and may go pro. They sure seem DTF though and message very quickly.

[MagicSheep74]

Oh and I'm now in Riga. There are 5 girls I'm interested in. And again same shit, they see my messages, read it, sometimes check my profile (which obviously need work) and then never bother to reply..

Hello,

I feel for you, so I will just share what's working for me, but on a side note most of the girls you contact in the Eastern Europeans countries are a ' handler ' a pimp essentially. That person you are chatting to knows a few girls that might be interested in Arrangement based vacations outside the country they are located. Eg. Serbian girls have no interest in meeting in Serbia, Latvian girls that have no interest in meeting in Latvia etc. If you notice the standard thread for these respective countries are also reporting they are more or less useless for mongering, so never expect anything different on SA. In these EE countries you really need to be connected to snatch these Instagram / model types. Even though these countries on the surface of things seem to be struggling economically, there is enough people with cash to keep these girls in regular SB / SD deals.

I have had a quite a lot of success using this method. Keeping in mind I don't really do PPM unless in London / Dubai / or some other reasonable well off place. My current thing is weekend trips in different cities in Europe. Luckily I am based in Europe, so low cost flights are easy, and if it all goes to shit, I have only lost $100 on a flight, and I always have a plan be if they are a no show. So far 4 European vacations this year 1. Prague, Budapest, Stockholm and Venice. All with girls from SA, and all girls have been from Venezuela' living in Spain, Dutch, Serbia, and Kazakstan ' Studying in Milan.

So all girls based in Europe, all girls get offered the same deal. 1. Paid flights after we video call, 2.5 Star Hotel, 3.1500 Euro's expenses for their time for the 3 days trip. So 500 Euro a day for 3 days.

None of the girls live in the place we meet, which seems to help.

Luckily for me I am not married, so my profile have multiple picture's showing who I actually am. I contact them and tell them I love to travel and am looking for short 3 day European vacations with the right girl. If she reads my message and replies, I insist we move immediately across to WhatsApp. Once conversing through WhatsApp, I tell them my travel plans and tell them my offer above.

Once agreed, I ask for a video call to get to know each other. If the girls makes any excuse, or does not want to. I end contact immediately and move on to the next one. Once agreed video has been done, and I feel confident I I like the girl in question. I book the flights and send her the ticket. I never send travel expenses and I never send money for PCR testing or other nonsense. Like I said previously if the girl is no show, I would only have lost $100 on flights and I would immediately find another girl locally on SA or utilize escorts for my entertainment in the specific city I am in.

Done it 4 times in the last 4 months, and each time the girl has showed up and everything has went smoothly. Just back from Venice with a legitimate Serbian model, so its possible, but privacy with these girls is incredibly important.

Best of luck.

[The Cane]

Anyone got a suggestion? Thank god I'm flying back to Dubai next week, fuck all this shit.

You answered your own question.

[SethiatSpace]

Oh and I'm now in Riga. There are 5 girls I'm interested in. And again same shit, they see my messages, read it, sometimes check my profile (which obviously need work) and then never bother to reply.

And this baffles my mind, you live in a low income country, you are on SA and you don't even care to reply to a polite offer for a PAID platonic dinner date? What kind of world is this? 🙄.

Anyone got a suggestion? I'm starting to get really pissed off and I still have four days to kill here. Thanks for any soul having an idea how to get out of this whatever-zone I'm in on SA: the.

Ah yes, one replied with three words "Dinner date? -500". I'm sure she even just meant platonic. Platonic dinner date for 500€? Get the fuck out of here. And these girls are all like "don't just say Hi, or how are you, please talk to me first" and then they reply with maximum two words.

Thank god I'm flying back to Dubai next week, fuck all this shit.

[SethiatSpace]

Hey guys,

Sometimes I feel like I'm coming from another planet and miss some of the basic stuff. Clearly, I need a manual for SA when I compare my terrible experience with yours, guys.

Just a recap, I'm a French guy of Middle Eastern origins, 35 yo, working in IT, average looking, tall and fit (1 m87/82 kg). I speak 3 languages + a little bit of Russian. I like petite white blonde EE girls (my ideal being Russians), slim with flat tummy, 19-24 yo.

I like Dubai clubs and FKK clubs, you go in, you see what you get, every girl is available if you're willing to match her price, and everyone is happy (more or less). But this is obviously only to fuck and get out.

I'm looking for a bit more, so I decided to check out SA. I could go for a long-term SD / SB arrangement with someone I like and if the arrangement was reasonable. And a travel arrangement for a SB to go to Dubai / Greece / Turkey where all expenses are on me.

I initially thought, from what I've read on SA in the USA, that there is non-paid M&G around coffee or dinner to see if there is any chemistry. And when I checked for PPM how much these guys are paying in Australia or US, I saw a lot of 400 USD / EUR, which I was generally ok with. Boy was I wrong.

Here is my beyond terrible experience so far:

- I've tried SA when I went to Poland. This was my first time, I didn't know what to expect, or how quick the girls would respond or the best way to go on with it. I didn't know if the girls would be willing to go on a dinner date first or directly PPM with more. Of the few girls I messages, only two responded with any kind of interest. The first turned out to be too busy so couldn't meet. The second one wanted me first to buy a picture of her face from her, at the very cheap price of 40€. Wtf? First experience, terrible, as are most first experiences.

- I've tried SA when I went to Belgrade. I messaged a few girls, some never read the messages despite being online, some did and never said anything, one was an e-girl who asked what I wanted to do and said later decided that she doesn't do PPM when everything in her profile was clearly saying the opposite. One girl asked 500€, which I thought was clearly too much (that's basically a whole salary over there and comparing to the prices girls. Supposedly - ask for in London and the Bay Area which are much more expensive). One looked like a model but said she was going on a photoshoot so suggested a friend, which I didn't fancy. Terrible experience again and starting to get pissed off with SA fo good.

While in Belgrade, I contacted some girls from Romania. One was in a town near the border. One agreed to viceocall, clearly not the girl from the pics. Others flaked when I said let's meet, I'm willing to come tomorow. Scam scam scam, everywhere.

- I've tried SA when I went to Helsinki / Tallinn (same trip). I started messaging a dozen girls one week before. Several saw my messages and never replied. Not the first time, not the second time two days before, not the third time when I was there. My messages were straight to the point, that I was coming back there for a week and would love to meet them over dinner. After that I even started talking about allowance to come to the platonic dinner, but apparently, for some fucking reasons I have yet to understand, these girls can't be bothered to just show up for a dinner / walk and get paid to do nothing for a first meet. So no answers at all mostly. One girl put Helsinki but she was actually from Estonia and not even the capital.

No girls from Tallinn replied, except for one that just said "Hey! And what kind of arrangement?" and then never bothered to come back online.

- I've tried SA in Paris where I live. It's mostly Arabic and black girls, which I have zero interest in. Some girls replied and are just escorts that I didn't even fancy all that much. New French girls get a thousand messages as soon as they register so it's basically impossible to get their attention. One girl I was interested in, from Ukraine, was initially up to meet PPM for 350-400€. Which I thought yay, finally. She was super tall, 1 m80 and very fit. But I was going on vacation. When I came back two weeks later, its small amount as guys are paying her 700-800€. I said hell nah. A few weeks later, she contacted me as clearly she needed some money. I said 400, she agreed on 450. I wanted to do the dinner date etc but she insisted on coming straight to have drinks at my place. She showed up at my place, 4 years older than what she stated and her face was definitely not as nice. But still she was tall, fit and dressed sexily. We spent some times on my balcony, just talking and then headed to my bed. But I actually wasn't that excited so I sent her home after thirty minutes. In total she stayed maybe 2 h. Believe it or not, that was bad but still probably the best experience I've had on this fucking website.

- I've tried SA in Dubai. Many girls don't answer at all, many have clearly stolen pictures from Instagram "models" but I initially thought that these models need to make money anyway so could be (but clearly not), many are agencies in Disguise, many girls are not from Dubai at all, just pretending. The few ones that responded and I was willing to meet asked 4000 AED (1000+ euros), which I wasn't willing to pay (I've set my limit to 500€). There was three that were OK with it. One turned out to be an ugly mom, which I discovered after paying her 100 AED taxi to come to JBR and which pissed me off by complaining the whole time. Another one was from Philippines and looked way worse than on her pics, so I gave her two reds for the 10 min I kept her and sent her back. Last one was the "best" but had way too much kilos compared to her pics so I didn't contact her again after that. This one was the only time a girl agreed to meet for coffee / shisha, and then see if we could meet.

Oh and there is this whole story with the two "Italian girls". So I get contacted or I contacted, don't remember, two Italians girls wanting to go on a vacation. We talk a little bit and the girl in the profile say they're interested in going to Santorini / Malaga / Dubai / Bali. So I say why not, she says let's continue on Telegram. I ask her if they're comfortable with another and she says they're both bi but prefer men. We agree for her to join me in Dubai / Abu Dhabi first, and then we'll see for both of them if we have some chemistry. So I ask her to send me video with her friend, which she says she can't do as her friend is currently on vacation. So I ask her for a video of just her and she says bla bla if I'm not comfortable, she doesn't want to push me. Big red flag but I just skip it, because I'm dumb. So I ask her to send me her information to buy her the tickets, but she says she is used to buy it herself and doesn't want to send her info. Second big red flag, but I'm still dumb at that point. We discuss timing and when we agree, I send her the price tickets, something like 900€, which is more than I paid for myself. As I'm still very dumb, I don't ask her to send me proof she bought them. Next day we discuss hotels, she says she is high class and can't say in a simple room, need a suite, even junior. And has a pool so she can stay there while I work and she doesn't want to go anywhere without me as she doesn't know Dubai. She says she is used to looking for hotels for businessmen, so she sent me a list of three hotels in Marina which are far from the highest end so they're reasonable prices. I book one and then I also book two nights in Abu Dhabi. We're both happy. Then as we get closer, she goes on vacation on Barcelona. Then two days before the trip, I tell her I'm waiting for her. And she doesn't reply anymore. And obviously never came. So it costs me something like 1500€ in total between flight tickets and hotels I wouldn't have booked and Abu Dhabi I wouldn't have gone to. Nice. To this day this baffles me as I'm used to scams and phishing. But the talk about hotels, after "she" got the money, and what she wanted to do, I don't understand. She could have just stopped at that moment. Anyway I wrote on Telegram, "she" saw my messages, blocked me and then blocked me on SA.

- I've tried contacting some girls in Russia. Some of them were just selling pics, one seemed genuine. Got her number, and on WhatsApp she turned out to be a suicidal crazy girl. Telling me how nobody likes her, that she was cutting herself to deal with the pain (showed me some pics), and whatnot. She didn't ask for money or anything. I tried to be nice and cheer her up because I'm still a decent person but when I suggested she need to find some help with a professional, she said nobody wants to help her, even me, putting the blame on her. That's when I said fuck it, I don't have time for this shit.

- I was contacted by some girls from Ukraine. Now I know the situation there but come on, you're putting scantily clad pics of you on SA, telling the world how cheerful you are and then they all talk about the war. Except for two girls, who said they'd like to travel to nice places but expected to be paid 500€/ day. Which I found mightily confusing, aren't you already paying her by buying plane tickets, hotels, restaurants, eventually a gift or two there? Is that a normal arrangement?

- I was contacted by a petite blonde from Edinburgh who was willing to make an arrangement for 300 pounds a week and she would fly to me when I needed her. I was like really, 300 pounds? And that was her offer. Compared to any other girl in Europe who asks straight 500€ for PPM, what a bargain.

So there you go, I'm probably the worst on this website haha. I've tried all the ways of messaging, with a quick joke to a more serious to straight to the point. Boy does it suck to feel rejected even when you're willing to pay for it haha. I don't know what to think about it, especially when I read that you guys go to Barcelona and pay 200€ for an overnight or Vancouver which is way more expensive than a shithole like Belgrade and pay 400 USD.

[Elvis 2008]

Yeah, you can call me an average monger, I don't mind. I don't think I'm superior in any way to other folks.

If you are an average monger, you are not getting anywhere. You give women money for sex and do not give a shit about how they feel afterwards. You are acting like Jack Miami's right, "They are all WGs. They are paid to a job. Who cares how they feel?

He is so closed off from a woman's feelings, he does not think it is possible that they care for anything outside of money. Just the fact that a woman is on seeking one time and goes on one date in his mind labels them as WGs out for a man's cash their whole life.

Being better means anticipating a woman's feelings before they do and mastering your own. So I fly a woman into Bogota and have her stay with me two days, which is a rookie move BTW. I think there is a time I even went out with another women and had her stay in the hotel while I was away. Anyway, we go at it quite a few times. She is good in bed, pretty enough like a 7, a year away from graduating law school, and I gave her $300, which is too much but what I agreed to, and she hands it back to me and says she cannot take it.

If you are Jack Miami, Mr. Average Monger, he thinks this is total bullshit. It cannot happen. His lizard brain cannot go beyond they are WG out for money. So would you agree that the reason she tried to give me back the money is she wanted a relationship with me? And the reason I insisted she take it is that I wanted that notion squashed?

If you can get that concept, you are ahead of the average monger. If you can sit and talk to her like a normal person and be a fun companion, you are better than an average monger. This was Covid times. All we did was eat, watch Netflix, have sex, and talk. And by refusing the money, she is saying, "I want this life with you". I picked out what we watched, and she loved it.

Stop with this "well other guys are giving money too" crap. Steve is married. Married guys should always be in paid arrangements for their own safety, and if DF wants to tell you his story, he can.

If I am out with a woman that I see no future with that I want to bang, yeah, I will lay out the cash for sex. If she just wants money for sex, the same applies. With this gal, I opened up with cash, and I am not saying do not do that. What I am saying is do not open with money if you do not have to. Leave yourself open to the possibility that a woman may not just want your money. Most will, but there are a few who will not.

[Jack Miami]

The thing with a guy like Jack Miami is they make up this ideal that I have never seen. There must be this marvelous wonderland that he speaks of where the women do not care about money and the men do not care about looks. Perhaps he has a key to some kind of club with people like that. I am still waiting for the day a woman says, "I like that you are well to do but I cannot have sex with someone with such shallow views on Nietzsche. ".

What are you talking about? Where did I say anything like that?

[DramaFree11]

Yeah, you can call me an average monger, I don't mind. I don't think I'm superior in any way to other folks. Don't get me wrong though, finding a perfect girlfriend requires a shit ton of work and time, but this is not enough. Other factors come into play, like language skills, social skills, the amount of time one is willing to spend in a foreign country and so on. And yes, luck is one of the factors, you have to be at the right place at the right time. This can't just be predicted. What can I and other posters learn from your posts other than "don't be a john", "don't offer money", "wear a suit"? I pay, DF pays, Steve pays, and we all have fun, why is this a problem for you? Key to having a great time is to weed out all the scam artists and hardcore pros, and find great semi pros or non pros with whom you have decent chemistry. We all pay one way or another.

We all pay. Elvis pays as well. Usually when guys say they do not pay, they actually pay way more. I do not care what anybody pays, totally their own decision.