Seeking Arrangements

[Gfefan]

Have had quite a few arrangements in NRW.

One refused to take any money. The other two were roughly 200/250 EUR. No time limit. Day / two days. Didn't matter.

GFE, bareback, felt like girlfriend. 7/8 on looks.

Be nice, keep hunting. You will find these gems.

Best luck.

Steve, these days people are reporting 200 euros an hour for FKK in big cities like Frankfurt and maybe there might still be 100 euros in other areas like NRW. I will not be surprised if the base ppm is in the 500 range.

If I can get a good overnight experience with local German girl, I think it is still worth it. Just my 2 cents.

[MiamiBoy1]

If you are an average monger, you are not getting anywhere. You give women money for sex and do not give a shit about how they feel afterwards. You are acting like Jack Miami's right, "They are all WGs. They are paid to a job. Who cares how they feel?

He is so closed off from a woman's feelings, he does not think it is possible that they care for anything outside of money. Just the fact that a woman is on seeking one time and goes on one date in his mind labels them as WGs out for a man's cash their whole life.

Being better means anticipating a woman's feelings before they do and mastering your own. So I fly a woman into Bogota and have her stay with me two days, which is a rookie move BTW. I think there is a time I even went out with another women and had her stay in the hotel while I was away. Anyway, we go at it quite a few times. She is good in bed, pretty enough like a 7, a year away from graduating law school, and I gave her $300, which is too much but what I agreed to, and she hands it back to me and says she cannot take it.

If you are Jack Miami, Mr. Average Monger, he thinks this is total bullshit. It cannot happen. His lizard brain cannot go beyond they are WG out for money. So would you agree that the reason she tried to give me back the money is she wanted a relationship with me? And the reason I insisted she take it is that I wanted that notion squashed?

If you can get that concept, you are ahead of the average monger. If you can sit and talk to her like a normal person and be a fun companion, you are better than an average monger. This was Covid times. All we did was eat, watch Netflix, have sex, and talk. And by refusing the money, she is saying, "I want this life with you". I picked out what we watched, and she loved it.

Stop with this "well other guys are giving money too" crap. Steve is married. Married guys should always be in paid arrangements for their own safety, and if DF wants to tell you his story, he can.

If I am out with a woman that I see no future with that I want to bang, yeah, I will lay out the cash for sex. If she just wants money for sex, the same applies. With this gal, I opened up with cash, and I am not saying do not do that. What I am saying is do not open with money if you do not have to. Leave yourself open to the possibility that a woman may not just want your money. Most will, but there are a few who will not.

I never said they are all WG, read my recent post one more time, I explained who my target audience is.

Speaking of an average monger, I meant I'm not filthy rich, and I'm not Brad Pitt in his prime nor Prince Charming. I enjoy dining out with girls, and a good conversation over a glass of wine, if this makes me an above average monger, so be it.

Totally agree about not opening with money, however, if you are in a foreign country for a short period of time, it probably won't get you anywhere, because you need to get laid ASAP, and you want a guaranteed thing. And most girls will bring it up before you even say something about ppm / allowance. Now, if you live in a foreign country, have plenty of time and not desperate to get laid, not discussing money is the way to go.

[SfoCowboy]

I've heard only good things. On my bucket list.

Cheers!

How about Lisbon or Portugal in general? Any insights there?

[LshRoomer]

I think it's very subjective. I don't look that different from OP but have had a lot of success in Western Europe. Mostly 200-300 Euro range and very GFE experiences. Personal chemistry, sense of humor, comfort level all play a role. I don't consider myself a player but have found myself increasingly comfortable with conversations and sealing the deal. It will probably take me a good bit of time to write but a few reports are definitely forthcoming.

+1 on that. Very subjective. How do you carry yourself?. What is your energy? Is your personality charming and attractive?? All factors. I'm not white and have had tons of success all over Europe, including Czech Rep, Romania, Poland, etc. 0 race related issues with SA girls!

Out of about 30 experiences, I've had 2 race related issues in EU. First was a small skinny (not slim, skinny. Slim = good; skinny = bad) japanese girl in London that was willing to move forward, but tried to offer just a massage and HJ. Kicked her out.

The other was an escort in Prague. When she arrived, she didn't want to go forward. She said she doesn't see dark men, as they pack a bit too much meat. I replied, "what? You're racist? You got to be f#ck*ng kidding me! Lady, do you know what year it is? She explained that it was just her personal preference and that she didn't like the pain. Wasn't too upset or surprised (If you live in the world, you should know it). I continued on with my night, then unexpectedly, she wrote me like 10 minutes after that, apologized, reiterated that it just hurts too much, then she put me in touch with her friend that's apparently open to all (never made it happen). Right after that (maybe the next night), I met a Ukrainian girl that couldn't keep her hands off me. Of all the women that I have come across in EU, those were the only race related issues that I've run into (both escorts).

And I only target the thin, euro girls (all natural), so all those girls that Steve9696 passes on (pasty white), I'd be happy to take them. (tan them first though! LOL LOL. 😆 😂 haha.

There are uneducated, close minded people everywhere. Find the ones that aren't, and exist in that circle.

Editing the post: Just noticed your post about Germany vs other EU countries (maybe Spain). Check them all out...YMMV. I stayed away from Spain for long time and Berlin/London/Prague were my gotos...My mileage is waaay better in Spain, but I emphasize that it depends on so many factors.. Your game, your look; are you unexpected? are you cool AF? Are you interesting? I haven't been to Germany in a while, but when I was going often, the number was 250-350. I've never paid more than 200 in SPain, except I gave lili 250 one time just because I was in a good mood and she was cool AF, but 200 was the agreed upon amount. Experience everything, everywhere.

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[Ggekko2009]

I think it's very subjective. I don't look that different from OP but have had a lot of success in Western Europe. Mostly 200-300 Euro range and very GFE experiences. Personal chemistry, sense of humor, comfort level all play a role. I don't consider myself a player but have found myself increasingly comfortable with conversations and sealing the deal. It will probably take me a good bit of time to write but a few reports are definitely forthcoming.

Now you got me intrigued. Definitely want to know which western European countries, and the characteristics of the girls in those areas. I am still new to SA and so far has used it in one country which is in Colombia. So far, my experience there has been very positive.

I would definitely like to try it out in other countries. Understandably, SA may not work well everywhere. I speak some German, that is why I gravitated towards Germany. From the reports, it does sound like Spain might be a more favorable place for SA.

[Hermescali]

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more so in Eastern Europe.

Several years back, I was in Germany doing my FKK tour. These clubs at NRW like Golden Time, which had since been burned down, usually had these steel gates in front of their entrance that are closed. To enter, you need to be buzzed in after the bouncer get to see who you were first. There were like middle eastern looking guys that were consecutively denied entry, while I was just waved through the entrance. For reference, I am Asian. Later I learned such discriminations were common for middle eastern and black guys. Now this is Germany, a supposedly liberal European country. Imagine a less tolerant and less diverse Eastern European countries.

My opinion, and I am German. In the clubs I have been to evrybody could enter. It is different with who the girls accept. But there are reasons for that, and especially the popular ones coose who they go with. They often don't like the Turkish guys, Why?

They often come in groups, many are kind of there just for drinking. They invite girls to sit with them, touch them and most of the time don't go to a room afterwards.

There is a lot of price negotiation, even try to get prices lower than even € 50 for thirty minute.

Often the girls are not treated with respect by them.

Personal HYgiene. Don't get me wrong. I will not say that Turks or other peolple from the middle east are not clean. But I have seen many times that guys came back from the room and showered with their underpants still on. The girls know that too. So after sex and before going with another girl, what do you need to clean most. Your dick of course.

I have a female black Kenyan roommate. Most racism she experiences in Germany is form chinese or indian people.

[Chola]

I think it's very subjective. I don't look that different from OP but have had a lot of success in Western Europe. Mostly 200-300 Euro range and very GFE experiences. Personal chemistry, sense of humor, comfort level all play a role. I don't consider myself a player but have found myself increasingly comfortable with conversations and sealing the deal. It will probably take me a good bit of time to write but a few reports are definitely forthcoming.

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more so in Eastern Europe.

[Ggekko2009]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?

Steve, these days people are reporting 200 euros an hour for FKK in big cities like Frankfurt and maybe there might still be 100 euros in other areas like NRW. I will not be surprised if the base ppm is in the 500 range.

If I can get a good overnight experience with local German girl, I think it is still worth it. Just my 2 cents.

[FastMdSter]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?

500 euros was average for Germany last month.

[Steve 9696]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?

[The Cane]

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is more prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more prevalent in Eastern Europe.

Several years back, I was in Germany doing my FKK tour. These clubs at NRW like Golden Time, which had since been burned down, usually had these steel gates in front of their entrance that are closed. To enter, you need to be buzzed in after the bouncer get to see who you were first. There were like middle eastern looking guys that were consecutively denied entry, while I was just waved through the entrance. For reference, I am Asian. Later I learned such discriminations were common for middle eastern and black guys. Now this is Germany, a supposedly liberal European country. Imagine a less tolerant and less diverse Eastern European countries.

And your suspicions would be correct. Race and nationality both can factor in and have a lot to do with it. That's why it's best to be clear about that upfront on SA, and to have a picture you can share, even if you keep it hidden. That way no wasting anybody's time. And as to Golden Time? Good riddance! Karma is a *.

[Ggekko2009]

I really wonder how much of a factor the Middle Eastern look is to your experience. I also have a bit of an Arab / Indian look and I am beginning to wonder if there is an element of European girls not being very open to non-Caucasian males.

I also haven't had much luck in UK and Europe. In Istanbul (where there's clear racism and dislike towards Arabs) a girl came to meet me at my hotel bar. She wasn't open to sex, so she said just kissing and playing for like 30 minutes. I told her 200 Euro's (I know it's a stupid price but just wanted to experience it for the sake of it). She said no she wants 600 Euro's. I said no and she left. So she ended up with nothing when she could have bagged an easy 200 Euro's which is a lot of money for Turkey.

Hahaha Make it make sense?

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more so in Eastern Europe.

Several years back, I was in Germany doing my FKK tour. These clubs at NRW like Golden Time, which had since been burned down, usually had these steel gates in front of their entrance that are closed. To enter, you need to be buzzed in after the bouncer get to see who you were first. There were like middle eastern looking guys that were consecutively denied entry, while I was just waved through the entrance. For reference, I am Asian. Later I learned such discriminations were common for middle eastern and black guys. Now this is Germany, a supposedly liberal European country. Imagine a less tolerant and less diverse Eastern European countries.

[Steve 9696]

I second your comment about Max. Had the pleasure of him as a wingman in SP. Awesome guy.

BTW Steve, your mailbox is full. Can't reply to your pm.

What we want to hear from all our girls!128514;.

[SocratesNY]

Hey man. Thanks for the props. But you are in fact the best wingman ever, leaving me with two hotties when there was def enough for us both. LOL.

May be tapped out on South America this year. But who knows. I did enjoy my time there.

I second your comment about Max. Had the pleasure of him as a wingman in SP. Awesome guy.

BTW Steve, your mailbox is full. Can't reply to your pm.

[Jbob084]

Hey guys,

Sometimes I feel like I'm coming from another planet and miss some of the basic stuff. Clearly, I need a manual for SA when I compare my terrible experience with yours, guys.

Just a recap, I'm a French guy of Middle Eastern origins, 35 yo, working in IT, average looking, tall and fit (1 m87/82 kg). I speak 3 languages + a little bit of Russian. I like petite white blonde EE girls (my ideal being Russians), slim with flat tummy, 19-24 yo..

I really wonder how much of a factor the Middle Eastern look is to your experience. I also have a bit of an Arab / Indian look and I am beginning to wonder if there is an element of European girls not being very open to non-Caucasian males.

I also haven't had much luck in UK and Europe. In Istanbul (where there's clear racism and dislike towards Arabs) a girl came to meet me at my hotel bar. She wasn't open to sex, so she said just kissing and playing for like 30 minutes. I told her 200 Euro's (I know it's a stupid price but just wanted to experience it for the sake of it). She said no she wants 600 Euro's. I said no and she left. So she ended up with nothing when she could have bagged an easy 200 Euro's which is a lot of money for Turkey.

Hahaha Make it make sense?