Seeking Arrangements

[Desin]

LOL. Do you think the women see a guy's Amex card, spread their legs, and say "I love you"?

This was your thought, not mine. I would consider such a way of acting as not very elaborate one from the woman. Proclaiming love right on the start is such a male thing to do. But maybe that has happened too, for example in case of millionaires and celebrities. If the girl feels like she has only this one chance on the "man of his dreams". And maybe the woman has felt she is in love.

In Seeking, girls are offered money for meetings. Or, they are provided allowance. Or gifts. Or catered with dinners and certain kind of 'luxury experiences'. And of course there are the occasional Sugar Daddies and Sugar Girls who consider sex out of the question, enjoying the platonic side of the relationship. But basically the concept is, as I understood it was in your case too, that you had agreed to pay for the girl certain amount of money for a meeting, which included sex? This is the typical way. It's also a very convenient way for a woman, who is seeking a man with money, since the girl will get paid either way: she can take the money for the meeting, or if she finds a suitable man, she might try to establish a relationship with him. But if the girl is interested in marriage and the man is not, then I feel sorry for the man, for he is only playing with the girl if this is not made clear. (By the way, I hope that if your lawyer girl is looking for a marriage, you two will have a great future as a husband and wife! That is, of course, if you are interested in such a relationship as well.).

Why would you think her being on the site was about money and not about her friends being happy, her being happy, and her daughter being happy?

Because it's Seeking. But a lot of people believe money will make them happy, so that's not anything new or unheard of.

By the way, there is no mention of "Sugar Girl" or "Sugar Daddy" in the profile making process on Seeking, instead there is the option to choose if one is looking someone who has the money, or the looks. I would consider an adult woman who does not see through this as someone who is probably better on Tinder than on Seeking.

A woman cannot do anything for a man such that the man needs her? It is just sex? She is incapable of being interesting enough such that a man does not get bored? My God, you are a sexist. Your opinion of women is nauseating.

Hehee, you must be trolling for laughs. I can't believe you wouldn't be able to see how you are again projecting your own thoughts to the other person.

I do hope that any woman wouldn't have to be in the situation where she is looking for a man for serious relationship and possibly a marriage, but the man in question is just having his fun with the woman without having the discussion of his hopes for the future, if these hopes doesn't involve getting married or having a serious relationship. This would be using of another person as his instrument of enjoyment, in the case of the man.

But when both person are on the same page and it's clear for both of them, then it's a honest relationship which can be based on money as well as mutual interest and love.

And yet the women love it. Go figure. Maybe your problem with that is you are jealous that you did not think of it first.

I do agree women love this kind of behaviour, since I'm very familiar with the mechanism of how narcissistic personalities make good impression on their "targets". It's not something I would be jealous about, since manipulativeness and using other people as objects is not my cup of tea. Sadly, the person who is the target of such behaviour is not aware of this. It will come out after a shorter or longer period of time.

That is interesting. Did you speak with her about a prenuptial agreement? Or is that a second date thing?

I don't go for relationship with women who are interested for it to become more than I am willing to. This is a moral imperative. Then the woman in question can spend her time more wisely and look for the future father for her future kids.

Well, I had my fun. Desin, quit with all the pseudointellectual bullshit and moral dilemmas and get on the site and go on a few dates. You have strangled yourself with all these moral issues to compensate for your fear. The women are not as innocent as you think and the men are not as crude as you think. The truth is when you are on a date it is two people and you can set whatever rules you want to.

I follow moral codes for the respect of other people. And for my own respect.

I disagree with your statement. The correct form is that the two people can set up their rules in the way they like, when they are doing it together. When they are playing only for themselves, they are using the other person as an instrument. It's how some. If not many. People act in regards to the other sex (men to women and women to men), but this does not mean it's the way to go when one grows up above the age of teenage and being young adult. Morality and proper way of acting towards other people is not a given thing, it is something each person either does or does not develop in himself or herself.

(I used the "you" form intentionally do make the point that it's not about you, Elvis 2008, but you and the girl. Even as you might have meant the two of you.).

[Shyzai]

So just returned from a week in Seattle and unexpected trip to Vancouver.

The normal SA leg work had started before the trip. Had a lot of responses from who I thought were attractive going on pics.

I target 8+ under 35, white women. After having multiple conversations and then video calls I was getting worried. They just didn't seem that attractive to me from what I have been used to lately.

The pros there are plentiful and also on SA. BBFS is out in the open in Seattle. After all the work set up 2 dates, one was decent 25 yr she was really into it, but for me no fire. 400. She wanted to stay the night, had dinner etc before but I told her I had an early call with NYC.

2nd, was just too enamored with my fit and accessories, was getting stalker vibes but pounded anyway. She is blowing up my phone still. She was 500. Both were my normal PSE experience, but not enough for me to continue further.

I just don't think the women are that attractive, now I'm a little different. I need their outfit, appearance, style, banter etc to match what I'm used too. I'm willing to upgrade the right one if they polish up, but even in the bars etc only saw a handful.

Bar pickups would be pretty easy there, from 2 experiences out during the night. Had two women who were dtf, but was with some business colleagues and didn't want to go full throttle.

Anyway, 2 of my previous hookups from Vancouver have been asking me return. The Finance mgr and realtor. Plus I have been texting with a real 9. 5 23 yr old law student (reminds of young Gal Gadot, with implants). So took the quick flight to Vancouver to hit the 3 of them. That was the best part of this business trip.

As was walking through the city with 23 yr old, she was telling me about her new apartment and dog. So bought her an espresso machine and stuff for her puppy. Totaled to about $550. After a full night of bed breaking sex and morning repeat I offered another 5, she said the presents were enough this trip. So $550.

Will be back in Seattle in 2 weeks, and MTL so report any updates.

Also, heading to Amsterdam at the end of the month and thinking of taking one of them. The sex is that good as is the connection in general.

Be well and good luck.

Sir, be honest with us. You must be a pretty good looking guy. Nice reports!

[Steve 9696]

Kind of an odd question and observation here.

I like seeking for the amateurs. The ones who really are just uni students trying to make rent. But who aren't pros.

Sometimes I being a girl home, like yesterday, and she's young and beautiful. 19 years old and cute.

And then we get to the bedroom, pants come down, and she's shaved bare.

And I like me a bare cooter. Love it really. But it always makes me suspicious. A bare cooter? Is she really all that innocent? I mean, to get to the point you shave bare you've had some life experience, you know? Maybe a lot of miles on the odometer. Like I prefer a shaved snatch but ID rather see some fuzz in these situations just to announce she's not a prostitute doing seeking on the side.

Am I overthinking this?

Def overthinking this! ALL girls in their twenties shave their pussies. I haven't seen a trace of Bush in the last ten years save some well trimmed patches in Asia where Bush is considered desirable. I have see lots of non pro SA girls. All clean shaven. Bush is just "out" except in parts Asia. I'm sure they do it as a matter of course when they shave their legs. Only adds another minute or two.

[AmericanPi]

Kind of an odd question and observation here.

I like seeking for the amateurs. The ones who really are just uni students trying to make rent. But who aren't pros.

Sometimes I being a girl home, like yesterday, and she's young and beautiful. 19 years old and cute.

And then we get to the bedroom, pants come down, and she's shaved bare.

And I like me a bare cooter. Love it really. But it always makes me suspicious. A bare cooter? Is she really all that innocent? I mean, to get to the point you shave bare you've had some life experience, you know? Maybe a lot of miles on the odometer. Like I prefer a shaved snatch but ID rather see some fuzz in these situations just to announce she's not a prostitute doing seeking on the side.

Am I overthinking this?

[FastMdSter]

So just returned from a week in Seattle and unexpected trip to Vancouver.

The normal SA leg work had started before the trip. Had a lot of responses from who I thought were attractive going on pics.

I target 8+ under 35, white women. After having multiple conversations and then video calls I was getting worried. They just didn't seem that attractive to me from what I have been used to lately.

The pros there are plentiful and also on SA. BBFS is out in the open in Seattle. After all the work set up 2 dates, one was decent 25 yr she was really into it, but for me no fire. 400. She wanted to stay the night, had dinner etc before but I told her I had an early call with NYC.

2nd, was just too enamored with my fit and accessories, was getting stalker vibes but pounded anyway. She is blowing up my phone still. She was 500. Both were my normal PSE experience, but not enough for me to continue further.

I just don't think the women are that attractive, now I'm a little different. I need their outfit, appearance, style, banter etc to match what I'm used too. I'm willing to upgrade the right one if they polish up, but even in the bars etc only saw a handful.

Bar pickups would be pretty easy there, from 2 experiences out during the night. Had two women who were dtf, but was with some business colleagues and didn't want to go full throttle.

Anyway, 2 of my previous hookups from Vancouver have been asking me return. The Finance mgr and realtor. Plus I have been texting with a real 9. 5 23 yr old law student (reminds of young Gal Gadot, with implants). So took the quick flight to Vancouver to hit the 3 of them. That was the best part of this business trip.

As was walking through the city with 23 yr old, she was telling me about her new apartment and dog. So bought her an espresso machine and stuff for her puppy. Totaled to about $550. After a full night of bed breaking sex and morning repeat I offered another 5, she said the presents were enough this trip. So $550.

Will be back in Seattle in 2 weeks, and MTL so report any updates.

Also, heading to Amsterdam at the end of the month and thinking of taking one of them. The sex is that good as is the connection in general.

Be well and good luck.

[Steve 9696]

I guess I knew this but was very struck recently kissing Shayla how different it is from kissing a pro even one who provides good DFK. With a Seeking girl (at least the ones I adore who I would not even class semi-pro) like Shayla, Alexa, and Sylvia (of late) it's a completely different passion and "set of moves".

What I mean by that is it's not just tongue tangling. There is playful licking and lip biting. Tongue sucking both directions. Just no rules. Wherever that animal passion takes you you go there. It's so amazing and such a joint "dance" if you will.

And because it's real, it's part of the sex. Shayla is definitely more connected mouth to pussy than most girls. But no pro is getting wet from DFK. She's probably even getting out the lube after you eat her pussy. LOL. Cuz there is nothing going on downstairs when u kiss. With a real connection that animal kissing is getting her wet just like it gets you hard. Amazing stuff and one of my favorite parts. And I guess I don’t mind the ego boost either — knowing that kissing me make Shayla’s juice drip down her thighs is def satisfying to the self esteem!

[AmericanPi]

Anyone know if the Diamond upgrade in seeking is good for anything?

Far as I can tell it only serves to signal that you paid more for the same thing. But maybe I'm missing something.

[DramaFree11]

I agree with what you have written. I know girls who are struggling specialy after Covid. Paying rent on time is a stress for some.

If inflation continues to rise and money gets tighter, I think prices might drop.

[Elvis 2008]

So this girl got on the site because she was looking for a serious relationship with a rich guy?

LOL. Do you think the women see a guy's Amex card, spread their legs, and say "I love you"? Why would you think her being on the site was about money and not about her friends being happy, her being happy, and her daughter being happy?

And when a rich guy offers her money for meeting with sex, she falls for the guy and let's him fuck her for free. All good as long as the guy doesn't get bored.

A woman cannot do anything for a man such that the man needs her? It is just sex? She is incapable of being interesting enough such that a man does not get bored? My God, you are a sexist. Your opinion of women is nauseating.

That you think it's necessary to anticipate the woman's feelings before she knows them herself, and to master your own. This sounds to me as calculative, manipulative way of acting towards other people

And yet the women love it. Go figure. Maybe your problem with that is you are jealous that you did not think of it first.

Outside of paid arrangements, I was hugely amused when a 12 years younger girl literally dropped her jaw when she heard my answer to her question of how old am I, and very soon was hitting me so god damn erotically (at my work place, when we were alone) that I felt I have never felt such a heat in my life. If these individuals find each other and get married, it's all great. As long as the girl doesn't have to sign a prenuptial agreement.

That is interesting. Did you speak with her about a prenuptial agreement? Or is that a second date thing?

Well, I had my fun. Desin, quit with all the pseudointellectual bullshit and moral dilemmas and get on the site and go on a few dates. You have strangled yourself with all these moral issues to compensate for your fear. The women are not as innocent as you think and the men are not as crude as you think. The truth is when you are on a date it is two people and you can set whatever rules you want to.

[Gfefan]

Dramafree.

This is what I paid in June 2022. The one that refuses to take money. We first met Aug 2021. The other two. One I met in Jan and the other in Mar 2022.

I continue meeting them. Juggle them around. A bit boring to fuck the same but they are all super nice persons first and great fucks, second. So, just keeping them. But always looking for the fourth pussy.

I often wonder how many guys pays these rates, I bet it is very few. I had girls quote me $400-500 in CDMX, this never going to happen, I just laugh.

I think before Covid they might have been getting these prices, now I have my doubts.

[Desin]

My current gal got on the site not because she knew what arrangement meant or the site headlines (not sure if they are even translated to Spanish). She got on the site because her friends told her to. One of her friends married a guy from seeking and lives in Spain and the other is a fianc of some Greek tycoon who owns a jet. And you feel sorry for them? I could be wrong but I do not think they need your sympathy.

So this girl got on the site because she was looking for a serious relationship with a rich guy? And when a rich guy offers her money for meeting with sex, she falls for the guy and let's him fuck her for free. All good as long as the guy doesn't get bored. When that happens, the girl understands what went wrong. The guy might not.

Yes, there are women who really do wish to fulfill their childhood / teenage dream of marrying a rich guy. And people who are all about money and material. If these individuals find each other and get married, it's all great. As long as the girl doesn't have to sign a prenuptial agreement.

Yet, I do feel sorry for the women who are attached to the idea of money as the answer, and the men who are their counterparts in these relationships. It's really a sad thing.

And you have not used seeking but feel sorry for the women based on all men being fake and all the women being too stupid to know it? That is a very sexist POV IMO.

Now you are using ridiculous rhetoric, putting words to my mouth instead of talking about the issue behind the words I wrote. This exposes only your own way of thinking and the lack of capacity or interest for solid argumentation.

When a girl falls for a guy in paid relationship environmenet, and the guy is willing to use this situation to his own advantage by, for example, not telling to the girl that "sorry, but I'm not going to marry you and we'll be together only for the time I feel happy to hang out with you and have sex with you", I do feel sorry for the girl. Some guys are able to perceive their own thoughts, feelings and motives, and some are not. Same goes for the women. But a person who is able to see the situation and decides to not act honestly toward the other person, is putting the other person in position which I feel sorry about. Be it in paid environment, or non-paid.

Rookie women are also less likely to be accustomed to these situations which have money and / or power dynamic inside them, and which consist for the young woman with being with an older man, who is possibly near his father's age. This has psychological meanings to the girl, who might not be familiar with them if she hasn't had enough of these relationships previously to get accustomed to her own feelings, reactions and ways of acting in these relationship. To find out that she "always falls for this type". The man is then in the position of taking advantage of the girl. Like you wrote (was it you? That you think it's necessary to anticipate the woman's feelings before she knows them herself, and to master your own. This sounds to me as calculative, manipulative way of acting towards other people, if it isn't guided by a moral principle based on openness, honesty and the good of the other person.

And lastly, by being fake I pointed out that men act in these situations differently than how they would act when they are on an "even level" with the woman they are interacting with. Money and the dynamics of the arrangement makes it more easy to act in a way that charms the girl. A young woman might very likely be unable to recognize this subtle things, maybe not until they are more than 30 years old or until they've met enough Sugar Daddies to take notice how these men really are, compared to the act they present. It's all good when used with the payment the girl gets. But if there is no payment, then it's an elaborate con act. Anyone finds out about another person after couple of years of being with him or her. And our normal relationships are based hugely on this, that we act on our best and mostly ignore the signals that reveal from the other person something that they are trying to cover up in their good act. It's fair when it goes both ways. But when there is money involved, the money should stay involved. If it's dropped out and the motive is still the same, to fuck a young pretty girl as long as it's fun, it turns into a con act.

But anyway, good luck to you. Maybe you'll get married or stay together for years. It's always nice when two people find each other, be it whatever the route.

There are several reasons why I pay an SB.

First and most obvious is because a hot young thing in her twenties is not going to give a mediocre looking guy in his fifties the time of day in some other setting. If she's on Seeking she has self qualified as willing to accept the age gap / flaws and doesn't find it creepy (at least the ones I date).

But I really do establish a deep connection with my favorite girls. And maybe I am delusional but they seem to truly enjoy the sex meaningful and long with attention to her needs and the affection and companionship all NSA and no drama. Would they still date me with no $$? I know at least a handful that would.

I can believe this. I link it to idea that even though they might not (or might as well?) consider you a potential boyfriend if you would pass them on a street or have a chat on any daily situation, now that they have learned to know you and there has been all the opportunities for the emotional attachment to happen, you have gained a meaning for them in their emotional life. Also, the age gap is really a different thing for women than men. At this historical point in time, media teaches (or preaches) that women should go for men who are of their own age. Whereas this kind of thinking was very different just a century ago, and from that, for several thousands of years in the history of mankind. Now, when a girl thinks she is not supposed to get interested in "older men", be that age gap only 12 or 15 years, it's confusing when that actually happens. If she let's herself go and goes for it, the age gap that was previously taught to her as a sociocultural, if not moral imperative, will lose it's meaning. Then it's about the limit of how far is she willing to go with it, and what does she want from him, and life.

Outside of paid arrangements, I was hugely amused when a 12 years younger girl literally dropped her jaw when she heard my answer to her question of how old am I, and very soon was hitting me so god damn erotically (at my work place, when we were alone) that I felt I have never felt such a heat in my life. 15 year younger student made it clear that if I would be willing to consider starting a family with her in the future, we could resume to have sexual encounters. And I ain't a guy many girls notice for looks.

I can believe this is the thing that makes the difference between having good, fulfilling relationships in older age with younger (paid or non-paid) girls:

Because I care about these girls. Really do.

[TierdTraveler]

There are several reasons why I pay an SB.

First and most obvious is because a hot young thing in her twenties is not going to give a mediocre looking guy in his fifties the time of day in some other setting. If she's on Seeking she has self qualified as willing to accept the age gap / flaws and doesn't find it creepy (at least the ones I date).

But I really do establish a deep connection with my favorite girls. And maybe I am delusional but they seem to truly enjoy the sex meaningful and long with attention to her needs and the affection and companionship all NSA and no drama. Would they still date me with no $$? I know at least a handful that would.

So at that point why pay? Because I care about these girls. Really do.

1. They need it way more than I do.

2. I don't want them seeking alternatives. If they can't pay the rent they might like me but they are going to get with a guy who helps them out.

3. They totally deserve to be paid! We all pay our wives and girlfriends with free housing and food and jewelry. And they don't do shit! The cost per fuck in my marriage was probably about $10K per for a lot of our marriage! WTF. How is that fair. These girls DESERVE our money. Goddamn bargain compared to being married! LOL

I agree with what you have written. I know girls who are struggling specialy after Covid. Paying rent on time is a stress for some.

[Elvis 2008]

I feel sorry for these girls, for they have forgotten to keep in mind that the act they get from the man is fake. Now, I don't use SeekingArrangements. I've preferred amateurs, who have had an ad somewhere, but not where the pro's advertise.

My current gal got on the site not because she knew what arrangement meant or the site headlines (not sure if they are even translated to Spanish). She got on the site because her friends told her to. One of her friends married a guy from seeking and lives in Spain and the other is a fianc of some Greek tycoon who owns a jet. And you feel sorry for them? I could be wrong but I do not think they need your sympathy.

And you have not used seeking but feel sorry for the women based on all men being fake and all the women being too stupid to know it? That is a very sexist POV IMO.

From what I have seen, the men get fleeced way more often than the women but the damage is much less harsh.

[Elvis 2008]

OK, you have to share links to this pink viagra!

I have used all day chemist without a problem in the past. They sell pink versions of my favorite generic Viagra, Kamagra.

[The Cane]

Oh and I'm now in Riga. There are 5 girls I'm interested in. And again same shit, they see my messages, read it, sometimes check my profile (which obviously need work) and then never bother to reply. And this baffles my mind, you live in a low income country, you are on SA and you don't even care to reply to a polite offer for a PAID platonic dinner date? What kind of world is this? Ah yes, one replied with three words "Dinner date? -500". I'm sure she even just meant platonic. Platonic dinner date for 500? Get the fuck out of here. And these girls are all like "don't just say Hi, or how are you, please talk to me first" and then they reply with maximum two words.

And how about the ones who demand read my profile first! So then you scroll down and see they didn't write virtually jack shit anything about themselves! What is there to read? You're not telling anybody anything about yourself! GTFOH LOL!