Seeking Arrangements

[Bdb013]

First and foremost, SA is my go to here in the states and internationally. I am planning a trip to Puebla Mexico in two weeks. I have been active on SA for about 2 weeks now in Puebla. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. I can never get to all the girls that want to see me while I am there. SA is a little expensive and takes a little work, but well worth it in my opinion. Does anyone have any go to's in Puebla? I don't want to miss out on the best.

[Akibono]

Yeah, you're right. In the past couple of days, I started recalling my experiences in Korea, and I also recalled at least a half dozen episodes of racism towards me, because I'm a foreigner. So, I bet it is hard to monger as a foreigner in Korea without "an in. " Koreans are quite nationalistic, and it might be one of the most racists places on earth. I recall one of my Korean friends telling me that it goes back to Korea being occupied by the Japanese, and so Koreans are fiercely about Koreans, especially with our generation.

Most countries are protective of their women. They do not like rich foreigners outbidding them. The US has had a presence in Korea since the Korean war. Those soldiers bang the local women. When Korea was poor, they accepted it because they needed the money. Now they are rich and do not have to submit to that. Call it nationalism or racism. Plus, there is a perception that foreigners introduce disease so they are generally considered not welcome. In Korea and Japan, going to a brothel is like taking your friends to a bar or a strip club in the US. It is a form of male bonding. The only difference is they don't have an obsession on size like the US. There is also not a culture of feminism, but that too is changing. There is also a difference approach to sex. Sex is viewed more as pleasure a woman gives to a man. The man is more passive. The women is there to please you. The west looks at sex more like a conquest of women and what you can do to them.

[Pessimist]

Hi Pessimist,

Thank you for your very valid advice and apologies for my delayed reply. Being a pessimist like you and an over-planner, I am on the same page. I have around 10 girls who are willing to meet during the 5 days with most willing to spend the night and the rest want to spend at least a couple of hours. For the ones that I really like, I am in regular touch on whassapp to groom them a little bit and try to see which one has a high possibility of flaking out. My backup plan in case one flakes out on a day is a really nice brothel with great girls which I used to frequent during my previous visits to Lisbon, so if someone flakes out, I would at least have some place to release the load. Failing that, there is a nice outcall agency with a good number of highly reviewed girls. Your advice about lining up two girls in one evening is interesting and I will see if I can implement it.

Since Corona was rising fast in Lisbon, I also looked at Germany the past few days as an alternative if it is no longer feasible / too risky to fly to Lisbon last minute due to high number of cases. Germany is easily reachable for me and does not require flights. Same strategy in Germany, line up at least double the number of girls as days, amd stay in touch on whassapp with the high potential ones, reconfirming with them multiple times they are still planning to meet. Lets see where I end up, Lisbon or Germany. Going to decide on Sunday. Bad thing about Germany is that I do not know the mongering scene as good as I know Lisbon, so high chances of ending up with blue balls if someone stands me up.

Hit a huge blocker today when my SA account was blocked only after a week from activation. Reason was: "solicitation of prostitution". I talked to cust service and they said that they had multiple verified reports of me trying to exchange sex for money, which of course is what I was doing. Since I was being a little bit explicit with girls (did not mention sex, but things like 'doing what people do to make babies, except we are not going to make babies' maybe someone got offended and reported me. In addition, I had something like "looking for PPM arrangements" in my profile description. The cust service also said that I was banned from creating a profile on SA ever and if I did, they would pursue the case with legal authorities. Fortunately, I had moved most conversations to whassapp so most of the arrangements in Lisbon and Germany are not affected. Although there was a cutie in Germany whose number I do not have and I am fuming.

My question is, has this happened with anyone? And do you think I should take the risk to create the profile again? Also, if I create it again, what precautions should I take? I know I should move the conversation from SA to other mediums ASAP, but what is acceptable or not acceptable to discuss on SA? I learnt the lesson about profile description and going to mention anything about PPM if I create the profile again.

Oh no. Very sorry to hear. I guess that means you lost your 80 or 90 bucks fee to the site? That is a bit crummy on their part keeping the money and revoking your subscription.

SA kicks girls out extremely frequently. I lost count of how many girls said to me that their account got suspended. (I have directly been responsible for getting one girl kicked off the site at least 30 times. She is a scammer, and every time I spot her I immediately flag her to the admin and they do listen to me / perhaps others also who may be complaining and she is kicked out but she gets a new name and resurfaces on the site in less than a week. It has become a bit of joke). Many girls get their account suspended because guys complain about them about anything silly, or the admin does not like something has in her profile, etc. Girls do not pay, it doesn't cost them anything (except contacts), and if the girl is serious and dedicated, she will reestablish a new account and is back on the site. Sometimes, it also happens that the girl's account is suspended temporarily but the admin reinstates their accounts back after some quick verification.

Generally SA admin is far more tolerant of the guys because we pay. They hate to lose paying subscribers. I have been on the site for more than 4, nearing 5 years now and never had any problems. For the last couple of months I am no longer paying though, as my 3 month subscription ran out and I did not renew it as I am not looking to meet any girls until the pandemic is over / a reliable vaccine is fully available.

I am surprised they revoked your subscription. Of course I don't know what all the guys are saying to the girls. But several sugarbabes that I met have told me that by and large more than 50% of messages they receive are pretty nasty, explicit, etc. Yet SA admins don't seem to be kicking out such guys form the site.

My guess is that they cut your subscription because you had explicit discussion of money for sex. If you had said "oh baby, you look so hot, you make me horny, I want to lick your pussy, fuck you in the ass, fill you up with my hot goo, blah blah" they are OK with that even though the girl might find it disgusting. But if you say "I will give you 150 bucks if you will provide BJ", although what you said is far more respectful than the prior dialog, it is considered solicitation. SA is trying hard to not get taken down like backpage, so they will not allow it.

Normally, I stay away from all references to sex. When the girls ask, I say "yes, I give allowance". When they say how much I may say "well, it depends but in the past it has ranged between 200 to 300 a week". If the girl says what do you expect from me for that money, I will say "I just want to get to know you, have an enjoyable time and hope we are both happy". If she presses "what will we do when we meet" I say "it depends on what we each like, no two meets are identical as every girl likes something different". Basically, I refuse to get pinned down. Any girl with some brain realizes that 200 is a large enough amount that sex is to be expected. In any case, if she misunderstood and tells me "no sex" after we are in the room, I will of course not give her 200 or 300 or whatever; she will be sent back with nothing.

I am also surprised about PPM getting you into trouble. A lot of girls also have PPM in their profile description. If there is no sex, then it is absolutely legal to give her money on a per meet basis. It is the combination of PPM and sex that makes it illegal. But yeah, instead of PPM, you might say "will give allowance". In the discussion, you can talk how the allowance works.

I realize you were trying to be more obvious because you had a short amount of time and you are trying to close the deal with certainty. This is the pitfall of short term visits when on the road. If you were living in Lisbon permanently, you can take your time and be very discreet in how you say things in discussions.

Also, I am curious if SA has the same rules in all countries. I always wondered about this and don't know the answer. For instance, in a country where prostitution is quite legal, why should SA ban anyone when they discuss money for sex? Say, Germany. Prostitution is quite legal. If a German guy proposes money for sex on SA, will the SA admin kick out the guy? On what basis? What if an American dude proposes money for sex on SA to a German girl? It is illegal for the American but legal for the German girl. So, perhaps they will stop it. What if the American dude is visiting Germany, finds a German local girl while he is in DE and proposes money for sex? Technically, it should be legal as both parties are located in DE where prostitution is legal. But in all this, does SA know where the guy and girl are located? I don't think so. They don't have location specific information on all the parties all the time. SO, my guess is, they just are putting a blanket ban on any dialog of money for sex.

Lesson learned. Hope it works out for you whether you get back on SA again, or with the girls you already have in hand. Good luck.

[Midwestern]

That said in Korea you need an in in order to play in that world. Even tho it's tamer these days; I am sure it's still off the hook for the locals. But they don't let foreigners crack the shell. That's why your experience was so different. You had an in sounds totally awesome.

Yeah, you're right. In the past couple of days, I started recalling my experiences in Korea, and I also recalled at least a half dozen episodes of racism towards me, because I'm a foreigner. So, I bet it is hard to monger as a foreigner in Korea without "an in. " Koreans are quite nationalistic, and it might be one of the most racists places on earth. I recall one of my Korean friends telling me that it goes back to Korea being occupied by the Japanese, and so Koreans are fiercely about Koreans, especially with our generation.

[WyattEarp]

First I got to agree with your generalization. I know the PC world wants to say people are all the same but they aren't. And I know quite a few asian guys who have told me straight up it's as you say. It's culturally different there.

Midwestern is an expert on Asia. On my few business trips to Asia, my male colleagues essentially compartmentalize their extracurricular sex lives from their wives and family. It's all quite accepted including formal mistresses. It is a cultural aspect different from what we know in Western society.

[Steve 9696]

This will come off as a huge generalization, but so be it: Japanese and Korean doods are some of the horniest guys on the planet, so you know those countries have to have amazing mongering opportunities. Pretty much all Japanese and Korean wives just accept that their husbands are screwing pros regularly. But again, probably a generalization.

I went to Korea for the first time in 1999, and then work kept putting me back in Korea through 2003, so my experience may seem outdated, but I sometimes look at the Seoul thread and it looks like it's still a mongering hotspot (pre-covid, of course).

I remember one time, at a KTV, the girls announced that our time was over and so they put on a final show. I forget all the details, but the finale involved them getting naked and giving us all BBBJs in the room, LOL. But that said, almost all of my mongering activities in Korea was with someone else that knew the ropes, so I just tagged along for the fun ride. But it was just a crazy scene. I remember many nights before we went out drinking, we would go to a brothel and screw, and then go out drinking and eating, and end up at another brothel before going back to the hotel or just ordering outcall to the hotel, or order room service from the hotel SPA. In those days, almost every hotel's SPA had room service.

One unique thing about Korea is that they have Kiss Bangs (kiss rooms). You pick a girl, you go to a little room together, both brush your teeth and rinse with mouthwash, and then make out for 30 minutes. LOL, how crazy is that? But it was pretty awesome.

You're an obvious foreigner. I'm surprised you weren't approached by pimps on the street outside your hotel. That happened to me a lot, but I never talked to them since I was already set.

But again, maybe the scene isn't crazy as it used to be, but when I look at the Seoul thread, it brings back fond memories and I oftentimes get jealous.

Maybe I just got lucky that I had locals (work-related colleagues) that helped me.

First I got to agree with your generalization. I know the PC world wants to say people are all the same but they aren't. And I know quite a few asian guys who have told me straight up it's as you say. It's culturally different there. That said in Korea you need an in in order to play in that world. Even tho it's tamer these days; I am sure it's still off the hook for the locals. But they don't let foreigners crack the shell. That's why your experience was so different. You had an in sounds totally awesome.

In Taiwan I was able to get a Line broker and arrange Karaoke under heavy security no joke all thanks to a connection I made here on ISG. Without that Taiwan is a chaste ghost town. Same for Seoul. Just never cracked the shell.

[Midwestern]

This will come off as a huge generalization, but so be it: Japanese and Korean doods are some of the horniest guys on the planet, so you know those countries have to have amazing mongering opportunities. Pretty much all Japanese and Korean wives just accept that their husbands are screwing pros regularly. But again, probably a generalization.

I went to Korea for the first time in 1999, and then work kept putting me back in Korea through 2003, so my experience may seem outdated, but I sometimes look at the Seoul thread and it looks like it's still a mongering hotspot (pre-covid, of course).

I remember one time, at a KTV, the girls announced that our time was over and so they put on a final show. I forget all the details, but the finale involved them getting naked and giving us all BBBJs in the room, LOL. But that said, almost all of my mongering activities in Korea was with someone else that knew the ropes, so I just tagged along for the fun ride. But it was just a crazy scene. I remember many nights before we went out drinking, we would go to a brothel and screw, and then go out drinking and eating, and end up at another brothel before going back to the hotel or just ordering outcall to the hotel, or order room service from the hotel SPA. In those days, almost every hotel's SPA had room service.

One unique thing about Korea is that they have Kiss Bangs (kiss rooms). You pick a girl, you go to a little room together, both brush your teeth and rinse with mouthwash, and then make out for 30 minutes. LOL, how crazy is that? But it was pretty awesome.

You're an obvious foreigner. I'm surprised you weren't approached by pimps on the street outside your hotel. That happened to me a lot, but I never talked to them since I was already set.

But again, maybe the scene isn't crazy as it used to be, but when I look at the Seoul thread, it brings back fond memories and I oftentimes get jealous.

Maybe I just got lucky that I had locals (work-related colleagues) that helped me.

I forgot to mention the "sports massage. " Did you see those? I'm not 100% sure, but I think "sports massage" is code for "sauna. " Every sports massage place that I ever went into was a sauna experience. Girl bathes with you, then gives you a massage, then takes off her clothes and etc. And it ends with FS.

In 2004, my territory got switched to Singapore, but I went back to Korea in 2009 or 2010, and it seemed like the scene was still the same. However, I have to admit that most of my mongering in Korea was KTVs that my work related friends took me too. It's the usual drill: after the KTV, you negotiate with the manager to take the girl back to the hotel with you for overnight.

But I guess long story short on Korea is that I got lucky with my Korean friends taking care of me.

BTW, Singapore in the mid-2000's was also amazing. Orchard Towers is known as the "four floors of (rhymes with hoars)." It is a building with a dozen bars, and most of the bars were take out places. Almost every shopping center had a "health center," on the top floor, which was a FS MP / sauna, and then there was the Geylang District. Oh, man, that was quite a scene in those days. Hundreds of pros on the streets. Indos on one street. Malays on another. Indians on another. Chinese on another. Etc. The prices were amazingly low. Maybe around $60 for an hour. And a ST hotel was $20 per hour. Singapore isn't like that anymore. I would no longer recommend it as a mongering destination. But now I digress. Sorry.

[WyattEarp]

I agree with Brizlad. Asia should be on every monger's bucket list. In addition to what Brizlad recommended, I would add Thailand. Places like Singapore, China, and HK are going downhill with respect to mongering, IMHO, but they are still decent. And places like Japan and Korea are still pretty strong for our hobby.

Since it appears you are talking about the broader P4P category, has Hong Kong really gone downhill? For some reason, the Wan Chai hooker club scene has gone downhill. However, the walk-up scene had seemed to be going strong. I do realize the HK walk-up scene is impersonal and kind of wham-bam thank you ma'am affair. It is kind of fun though.

[Midwestern]

Don't know how Korea got on your "decent" list. My experience was that it was super hard to find solid FS providers. I can usually crack the nut in any country I go to with enough research even Taiwan which is painfully hard to crack. But I never broke thru to more than a naughty handjob in Seoul. What's the secret decoder ring.

Agree Thailand and Japan are worth a visit. Thailand is easy and obvious. Japan takes a bit of research to find the Gaijin friendly (round eyes) options.

This will come off as a huge generalization, but so be it: Japanese and Korean doods are some of the horniest guys on the planet, so you know those countries have to have amazing mongering opportunities. Pretty much all Japanese and Korean wives just accept that their husbands are screwing pros regularly. But again, probably a generalization.

I went to Korea for the first time in 1999, and then work kept putting me back in Korea through 2003, so my experience may seem outdated, but I sometimes look at the Seoul thread and it looks like it's still a mongering hotspot (pre-covid, of course).

I remember one time, at a KTV, the girls announced that our time was over and so they put on a final show. I forget all the details, but the finale involved them getting naked and giving us all BBBJs in the room, LOL. But that said, almost all of my mongering activities in Korea was with someone else that knew the ropes, so I just tagged along for the fun ride. But it was just a crazy scene. I remember many nights before we went out drinking, we would go to a brothel and screw, and then go out drinking and eating, and end up at another brothel before going back to the hotel or just ordering outcall to the hotel, or order room service from the hotel SPA. In those days, almost every hotel's SPA had room service.

One unique thing about Korea is that they have Kiss Bangs (kiss rooms). You pick a girl, you go to a little room together, both brush your teeth and rinse with mouthwash, and then make out for 30 minutes. LOL, how crazy is that? But it was pretty awesome.

You're an obvious foreigner. I'm surprised you weren't approached by pimps on the street outside your hotel. That happened to me a lot, but I never talked to them since I was already set.

But again, maybe the scene isn't crazy as it used to be, but when I look at the Seoul thread, it brings back fond memories and I oftentimes get jealous.

Maybe I just got lucky that I had locals (work-related colleagues) that helped me.

[Steve 9696]

I agree with Brizlad. Asia should be on every monger's bucket list. In addition to what Brizlad recommended, I would add Thailand. Places like Singapore, China, and HK are going downhill with respect to mongering, IMHO, but they are still decent. And places like Japan and Korea are still pretty strong for our hobby.

Don't know how Korea got on your "decent" list. My experience was that it was super hard to find solid FS providers. I can usually crack the nut in any country I go to with enough research — even Taiwan which is painfully hard to crack. But I never broke thru to more than a naughty handjob in Seoul. What's the secret decoder ring.

Agree Thailand and Japan are worth a visit. Thailand is easy and obvious. Japan takes a bit of research to find the Gaijin friendly (round eyes) options.

[Nounce]

I agree with Brizlad. Asia should be on every monger's bucket list. In addition to what Brizlad recommended, I would add Thailand. Places like Singapore, China, and HK are going downhill with respect to mongering, IMHO, but they are still decent. And places like Japan and Korea are still pretty strong for our hobby.

I agree. I think Thailand should be first on the list for first timer. It has more varieties, food, accommodation, more things to see and do. You can get around town by subway, moto, taxi, and boat. Pretty much everything is in walking distance if you don't mind walking.

[Midwestern]

Asia makes me curious, but I haven't heard any overwhelming positives or glowing reviews that would warrant a trip.

I agree with Brizlad. Asia should be on every monger's bucket list. In addition to what Brizlad recommended, I would add Thailand. Places like Singapore, China, and HK are going downhill with respect to mongering, IMHO, but they are still decent. And places like Japan and Korea are still pretty strong for our hobby.

[BrizLad]

Asia makes me curious, but I haven't heard any overwhelming positives or glowing reviews that would warrant a trip.

02.

You are joking? Check the Philippines and Indonesia forums on this site. I cannot wait to get back to banging beauties.

[LshRoomer]

In essence, I look at SA as a way of building my rolodex. And girls that you have been able to meet are golden. You know she is real, she will meet and you know how she really looks like in person and not in photos. Hang onto those girls and their contact #s. She might not agree to your proposal and price now, but she may change her views later on. I feel that just like in a casino the house is always favored in the long run, in this type of situation, the guy has the upper hand. Sooner or later, the girl loses her money and is back in a tough situation and will be scrambling around who can help her. With patience, you can take advantage of those situations and be ready when she is.

Amen to that. I feel the same. It's all about building a rolodex. After you have met her, banged her, and had a good time, the meet ups do become easier and more relaxed. Some of these chicks try to get away with murder. I had a girl about 1 hour outside of London that I was chatting up. We moved over to whatsapp and things were actually going smooth. I told her that I would be in town in a few days and asked when she wanted to meet. Her reaction was one of surprise that I actually expected to meet her. We discussed helping her out with some cash for an application or something. She wanted me to send the money to her without ever meeting. I bailed and made it very clear with future SBs that I expect intimacy as part of our arrangement. I can only imagine how pissed I would be if an SB said that kissing is where is stops. My rule is not ot hand over the cash until the deed is done.

Because of the legal nature of pay for play in the US, I actually don't like the environment here and prefer the EU environment both for regular escorts and SA. Asia makes me curious, but I haven't heard any overwhelming positives or glowing reviews that would warrant a trip.

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[BrizLad]

I have to fucking go downstairs to let people in. So, it won't take long for the security guards and front desk workers to know that I am only using the apartment to shag women. On the one hand, I am thinking that I should not give a shit what these people think, but on the other hand, I just do not like people knowing my business.

Your business? You mean providing English language tuition. I just assume these people are coming for English language classes each week. Maybe accidentally dropping a few flyers might be helpful also.