Seeking Arrangements

[AluHut]

Sounds like your girls issue tho you won't repeat.

Well, I won't repeat for a different reason. I was there on a vacation. I might return to this country, but not very soon. Also, I had two non paid fucks, found via Pure app. One was pretty fucking amazing, way better that this SA girl. So, overall it was a good vacation.

About "money at the table" - yes, I agree it's risky. I guess I was impressed my some of stories here "she was so into me that we never talked about money". To be honest, I found those stories a bit too good to be true, especially happening in a row. But yeah, lesson learned.

[Steve 9696]

Ok, I finally had my first ever SA encounter in Montenegro. The girl was an obvious first chocie, as she was pretty talkative, moved to messenger without issues and had some matching kinks. Also, she never mentioned how much she wants beforehand. A bit too young for my taste (early 20's), but others were playing "hard to get" while messaging.

Those were good moments. Now not so good. After dinner she asked me how much I was thinking about and I offered 300, which I think was a bit above this country rate. She countered with 350, and I agreed because it was late and she was quioti interested in me. The body was a bit of dissapoint, especially for her age. She claims she's "average", but she is very bottom heavy including some rather unplesant belly fat. She quite strategically hides that on photos. Sex also was a mixture of good and not so good. Opend minded, active and very enthusiastic. BJ was probably one the worst I've ever had, too gentle and soft, I barely felt anything. Declined anal. Stayed well past midnight to allow two rounds, but didn't wanted to stay for night despite me asking for that.

Conclusion - "not terrible, not great". Mostly enjoable, but terrible value for money. Feels like she is a semi pro as this point.

Boo. Sorry you had a mixed experience. But isn't "the dating game" sorta fun regardless? A couple thoughts:

I wouldn't peg her as a semi pro. I find the girls who give poor BJ are inexperienced. They try hard but aren't good at it. Some you can coach up a bit. I've definitely seen several improve A LOT. You just need to give some direction. I only recently figured out what was wrong with Sarah's BJ and it was that she didn't SUCK at all. And that makes a huge difference. Sounds like your girls issue tho you won't repeat.

Second the "talk money at the table" is a very dangerous play. I've had it work but rarely. Much better to sort the numbers ahead so you know if you are compatible. And also the heat of the moment is a bit too dicey. Your dick can get the best of you.

Regardless great to have you in the club. Just keep riding the horse. You will have some amazing experiences. I guarantee it.

[AluHut]

Ok, I finally had my first ever SA encounter in Montenegro. The girl was an obvious first chocie, as she was pretty talkative, moved to messenger without issues and had some matching kinks. Also, she never mentioned how much she wants beforehand. A bit too young for my taste (early 20's), but others were playing "hard to get" while messaging.

Those were good moments. Now not so good. After dinner she asked me how much I was thinking about and I offered 300, which I think was a bit above this country rate. She countered with 350, and I agreed because it was late and she was quioti interested in me. The body was a bit of dissapoint, especially for her age. She claims she's "average", but she is very bottom heavy including some rather unplesant belly fat. She quite strategically hides that on photos. Sex also was a mixture of good and not so good. Opend minded, active and very enthusiastic. BJ was probably one the worst I've ever had, too gentle and soft, I barely felt anything. Declined anal. Stayed well past midnight to allow two rounds, but didn't wanted to stay for night despite me asking for that.

Conclusion - "not terrible, not great". Mostly enjoable, but terrible value for money. Feels like she is a semi pro as this point.

[Steve 9696]

So hot off my girlfriend drama w Sarah, I decided to go the straight up pro route and get some great sex. Of course Vive is a great Madrid venue for South American hotties. But it doesn't open till later. The standard Madrid brothels are closed on Sunday. But boutique college girl apartment amigasdelidia had two girls working. Fortunately one was my type.

I was prepared for a face not as pretty as the fotos and ten pounds heavier but I was ready to rumble. Boy was I surprised when a gorgeous built Venezuelan opened the door. I mean a solid 9. Wtf? Her face was to die for — the best vennies are a cut above the rest. And she had that Brazilian hips to waist ratio that we all seem to adore so much. Absolutely stunning in doggie and trying to figure how it's possible. Nice firm the cups. The total package.

Well she is a sweetheart as well. Very attentive and sweet from start to finish. And her head game is on point. Musta done a good 20 minutes of BBBJ including some amazing 69. Her pussy is absolutely stunning and sweet as only a young lady's can be. We eventually suited up but only after quite some time at the gates of heaven. Great mish with kissing (lips only but passionate and wet), the Steve, and doggie.

Eventually I pulled out and finished in her mouth. 150/ HR is standard at Lidias with no tip expected and CIM was apparently free as well. WTF? A nine that loves to suck cock, looks like a goddess and takes a CIM like a champ — for 150. I am in love.

[Nachoy]

For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.

[FishMongerC]

A girl I've been seeing and saw this week asked if I wanted to see her again this weekend bc of a schedule change. Issue is I'm low on cash ATM since I wasn't expecting multiple dates a week. Should I be honest and see what happens or just lie and say I have plans? Chemistry has been decent and she seems to enjoy the sex. It's been ppm so far. I'm wondering if I tell her the truth if she'd be willing to do allowance for 2-3 ppm / month but see each other more than that.

Going dumb. If you enjoy spending time with her and she is really a good catch for you, I suggest you dig deeper into your pockets this weekend for her. As someone else suggested, someone probably canceled, but if you make yourself available, she will come to realize you are dependable, and that is a great thing to have in this environment. Then maybe next week say you are a little too busy but try to still see her at least once. In my experience having been dependable makes a girl (obviously depending on her character) more smitten with you which may liven the relationship and experience. The success I have had is partially based on my reliability. And girls tend to keep coming back (to some extent). So give it a try and I hope it works for you.

[The Cane]

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.

That's why porking prostitutes is the best. Find them, feel them, finger them, fuck them, forget them! After you pay of course, and never pay full price up front LMAO!

[Sloninger]

Ended up busting it off with Sarah which I pretty much never do. Flew her to LA and actually had a very nice time except for the sex. We had a sex fail that at least I got a BJ out of our first night. But then repeated attempts met with I'm too tired. Or not in the mood. I wasn't paying her other than the trip and spending money so maybe that led to complacency. She was totally shocked and upset when I told her the fact we haven't had sex this trip was a dealbreaker. She felt like doing her best was good enough.

I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.

You made the right move. We have all been there. Sometimes girls forget what it is that they bring to the table. I met up with a Brazilian girl in Miami and she told me she was looking for an allowance but wanted a plutonic relationship. I told her that's not how this works and walked. The beautiful part is there are literally millions more to choose from.

-Slonnie.

[Elvis 2008]

I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.

LOL. I was talking about this in the Medellin forum. Every time I pursued a relationship with a woman, she got comfortable and sex just was not that important. It was like they were saying, "I was just fucking you to get you to like me but now that I know you like me, I don't have to fuck you anymore". It seemed to always happen around 3 months after we started. One of the reasons I did sugaring was that the women knew no fucking meant no money. If having a GF meant they really like me but gave me no sex or a SB who pretended to like me but fucked me, then I would take the SB, and I did. I thought was just me, but it has been studied and women quickly lose desire in a relationship and much more quickly than men do.

I think the reason I went to strip clubs when I was married so much is it was the only place I got any sympathy. My ex-wife actually called my favorite club and asked them, "How can you do this with a married man? And they told her, "Maybe if you took better care of your husband, he wouldn't be here. " They were the only ones honest about men having a satisfying sex life until lately.

Now the men's rights guys are saying that if you are married and not getting it, leave. They also are saying your wife / GF does not own your dick, she just gets first dibs. All I can say is amen.

One of these men's rights guys, Rich Cooper, called it making men betas with nagging, and I had it with my ex there too. She kept bitching I tasted funny and would not give me head. What I wanted to say is that all the other women did not mind, but one of my SBs was a clean freak. Thing is that she knew if she did like my wife, "That is gross. You need to wash it! She would get no money, so she would take me into a shower and we would make out and she would rub against me ETC. I looked forward to it.

Because there is competition to be liked by women, a woman screaming her husband cheated on her like my ex did should not be met with sympathy but a question. Why is she not being asked if she was sending him out in the world with a loaded gun? What I would have given for some guy to say to her, "Are you blowing him every morning and and getting him off?" and if she said, "I would if he cleaned it" to have that guy say, "Okay, that means no, so you need to own up to the fact you are not sexually satisfying your husband. It is not all his fault, * ".

I got engaged and afterwards, it was the same thing. The pussy fountain dried up. I asked if this always was going to happen and found the studies showing it was. So of course, once I decided it was hopeless, I meet a woman who loves sex more than I do and unlike with most women, there aren't any barriers.

The ex also used to gripe, "You are using sex as a sleeping pill", and I think it is a game with her: I am going to see how much I can get without putting out, and no one is telling them no. Hell, men's sex drive has been so demonized that we have fatties on SI covers and in the Victoria Secret's catalogue. The price of pussy has gotten so high that young men are just checking out. Even asking the price of pussy is offensive.

The truth is you are not being good to women by lying to them. After being with a woman who has never refused me, even at 4 in the morning, I just don't think I would put up with those games any more. So Steve in your situation, I would start making out with the girl, getting close to her, and talk dirty. If she pulled away, I would say, "One of the reasons I brought you here is that you would sexually take care of me. If that is a problem, you can leave and I will get a woman here who will satisfy me. ".

Unless she is paying her own way, if a wife, GF, or SB is not putting out, guys should get rid of them and not let women get away with their shaming bullshit. If you let women play power games with their sexuality, you will always lose in the end.

[Steve 9696]

Ended up busting it off with Sarah which I pretty much never do. Flew her to LA and actually had a very nice time except for the sex. We had a sex fail that at least I got a BJ out of our first night. But then repeated attempts met with I'm too tired. Or not in the mood. I wasn't paying her other than the trip and spending money so maybe that led to complacency. She was totally shocked and upset when I told her the fact we haven't had sex this trip was a dealbreaker. She felt like doing her best was good enough.

I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.

[FastMdSter]

Been chatting up a girl in the US. We met for a M&G months ago. Had an opportunity.

Also, followed seniors tips here to get Cialis. Thought will test it out. Had just one drink (seniors advised not to drink much), got into the groove, and things heated up. A decent blowjob later, I could feel something but not muc different from my regular erection. She has IUD but yet, I decided to go with a condom. Used Skyn. Felt reasonably OK but nothing like raw.

Did Mish for a while and decided to switch doggie. While flipping, noticed abut of spots on condom. She goes "yeah, I get this sometimes. IUD messes up my periods".

I know this is a natural cycle. But, it grossed me out. Within seconds, lost the hardness. Disposed the rubber, jumped in shower, cleaned myself.

Paid her $ and let her go.

She was not at all apologetic. Didn't for once hesitate to take ppm (I didn't shoot even one load).

Testimony that bitches in US are only about $. Crass.
I can't thank my stars enough for going in with condom. Could have been worse

That sucks, but has happened to a lot of us, it has happened to me. A woman I met once said her period came early when we were having sex. It looked like a murder scene, all lights were off. I had to have housekeeping come at 3 am and give me all new bedding and made her wait for them while I showed for an hour.

IUDs do cause this erratic bleeding in some women.

[FastMdSter]

A girl I've been seeing and saw this week asked if I wanted to see her again this weekend bc of a schedule change. Issue is I'm low on cash ATM since I wasn't expecting multiple dates a week. Should I be honest and see what happens or just lie and say I have plans? Chemistry has been decent and she seems to enjoy the sex. It's been ppm so far. I'm wondering if I tell her the truth if she'd be willing to do allowance for 2-3 ppm / month but see each other more than that.

IMO, she needs the cash. Since it's always been PPM. Rent, CC etc.

Whoever else she was seeing probably bailed or gave less.

I would lie and say you have plans.

Now, you could see her and not offer a ppm and say you were mistaken and get her the next time. But, I wouldn't go that route personally. To much drama can come of it.

[GoingDumb]

A girl I've been seeing and saw this week asked if I wanted to see her again this weekend bc of a schedule change. Issue is I'm low on cash ATM since I wasn't expecting multiple dates a week. Should I be honest and see what happens or just lie and say I have plans? Chemistry has been decent and she seems to enjoy the sex. It's been ppm so far. I'm wondering if I tell her the truth if she'd be willing to do allowance for 2-3 ppm / month but see each other more than that.

[Gfefan]

Been chatting up a girl in the US. We met for a M&G months ago. Had an opportunity.

Also, followed seniors tips here to get Cialis. Thought will test it out. Had just one drink (seniors advised not to drink much), got into the groove, and things heated up. A decent blowjob later, I could feel something but not muc different from my regular erection. She has IUD but yet, I decided to go with a condom. Used Skyn. Felt reasonably OK but nothing like raw.

Did Mish for a while and decided to switch doggie. While flipping, noticed abut of spots on condom. She goes "yeah, I get this sometimes. IUD messes up my periods".

I know this is a natural cycle. But, it grossed me out. Within seconds, lost the hardness. Disposed the rubber, jumped in shower, cleaned myself.

Paid her $ and let her go.

She was not at all apologetic. Didn't for once hesitate to take ppm (I didn't shoot even one load).

Testimony that bitches in US are only about $. Crass.
I can't thank my stars enough for going in with condom. Could have been worse

[FastMdSter]

Interesting points. I always stay in 5 star hotels (when I'm travelling) and dine at a high end restaurant (at least for the first meet, and then gauge what they want), I dress properly and all that stuff. But not crazy bling or anything. I don't wear a Rolex, I'm more casual. I also treat women with great respect and just be natural. I don't need to show off, I'm a bit understated actually, and always make sure the woman feels safe, comfortable and respected. I don't go in strong with sex talk, I'm not a creep. And I'm also prepared to walk away. Giving the vibe that you're desperate is such a turn off. The strategy works well. I've never had a M&G not lead to an arrangement or intimate date, so on that front a 100% success rate. But as I said only 20% of women I've met via Seeking never asked for money.

It sounds like your method is working great for you.

We are all attracted to different women and the ones you are targeting seem to be matching up.

I know I target women that will match my style. I like the model type / high heels / designer fits / cool sneakers etc but most would think are high maintenance / high end. I am not attracted to girl next door types.

In reality, most of them can't afford what they have, they saved / they splurged / or were gifted. So when I show up having what they aspire to have, it fucks their mind.

I also believe in the line by drake "don't tell me you model if you ain't been in Vogue" LOL. So I shut down a lot of their BS.

If I have to pay no big deal, I know the rules of the game going in.

You are winning, so good work.