Seeking Arrangements

[Maha Siddha]

I paid my premium two weeks ago and yesterday got permanently suspended. The only trigger l can recall is A girl says 5000 peso per appointment and l say something back. So you guys just block that girl in this scenario? Do you guys get the girl WhatsApp or telegram right off the bat and not even small chitchat? I created two unpaid account using random outlook account and both of them got banned within 3 minutes.

Any SA alternative recommend for country like Mexico, Colombia?

Thanks for the help.

[AsianPursuits]

But to be honest, it is rare to find an SB that can host or is willing to host.

In my town any girl under 30 has not hosted. They are either students or early stage workers in share accom. 30+ divorced or professional established career girls are more confident to host.

FYI on my profile I say that I will host but I never do (I can't). I find that this offer is enough to pass a girls 'sniff' test as to why I would be reluctant to host. So my ostensible offer to host unlocks hosting opportunities.

[Midwestern]

How do you guys handle the logistics like getting a place to do the deed if it is in your hometown? Do you get a hotel room, go the girl's place or bring her back to yours?

Also, would you drive to a neighboring city, perhaps two hours from your hometown, for a ppm? Curious to know how you guys go about arranging this.

I eventually stopped using hotels in my hometown, because it was getting expensive, I got flaked on so many times and so ended up paying for hotel without using it many times, and using hotels do not make it easy to hide your identity from the gal.

I would never let an SB know where I live. So I would never host.

At first, I traveled to neighboring cities a lot to meet SBs, and that was hit or miss, but mostly miss, and a lot of time wasted.

Eventually, my main criteria for SBs in my hometown was if she could host. If not, then I passed. At first, it was a little scary to enter a stranger's home (what if she had guys there to beat me up and steal my money and take and post pictures of me? And so I would text someone her address just before I entered her place. I would always tell them straight up that I was doing this for my protection, and they all thought this was sensible. But one gal said that I should not worry becuase why would she let anything bad happen since I knew where she lived, and I thought that was a good point. But to be honest, it is rare to find an SB that can host or is willing to host.

[Pessimist]

I appreciate the depth of your reports. And your transparency.

I have to say, I've had a totally different experience than you.

I normally use SA in somewhat poorer countries (Mexico, Greece, Bolivia, etc). And I'm pretty generous with my offers. Usually 300-350 dollars to join for dinner and action afterward. And I'm not too bad looking, though I'm middle aged.

But my experience is quite different. I hit up girls in the 18-25 range. Usually a canned paragraph- I'm coming to your city for work, looking for some cool company, etc. About 50 pct write back, and I suspect it's only that low because I don't have a profile picture up. Then I quickly try to get to offer time so nobody's wasting time. Of those I offer, about 25 pct bite. Those that don't either are expecting more, or want a long term deal, or want date 1 to be no sex, or whatever..

Thank you! I am not surprised at your success. I even said the same when some European asked for advice in this thread a few months ago. I am convinced girls command the highest prices at comparable quality in the US, which is hardly shocking. Sex is expensive in the US, we all know. I have used SA in W EU (not in Germany where I prefer FKKs) and while I did not use profusely, I still got tremendous service from good looking girls at 200, or slightly more.

I'd say, 3 variables matter. Location, individual chemistry, luck. Like real estate, price / quality / quantity are considerably dependent on location. Individual chemistry is important. A girl might give something to a guy at some price that might not give another guy at the same or even higher price. SA is not prostitution with standardized rates. Finally, luck. Can never underestimate this. I have gotten lucky on SA sometimes, I also was unlucky, and sometimes I knew it while happening and other times, I realized it was luck or misfortune only in hindsight.

But I am quite with you. Especially in the poorer, E EU / see EU locations, I am quite convinced you can get good sex at low prices. SA might or might not be the best site. Language is an issue but there may be other sites through which one could find better deals. A gentleman called Bfsie, posting from Germany 3 years ago said he used a different site as far as I remember. He had been a long time user of sugarbabes and seemed to be having a ball and his prices were really on par with FKK at that time (100 EUro per hour) with quite a few goodies occasionally for free (BBFS, CIM, anal, etc). That was in Germany, so it may be even cheaper in E EU. But one has to know the local sites for that to happen.

[GoingDumb]

To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?

TIA.

Some girls will ask you on SA. I prefer to do it over text, ask if they're ok with ppm then give an amount. I'd rather know sooner they're expecting $1500 for ppm before wasting my time meeting them. I was recently told by a 38 yo she gets over 1 k a meet. I couldn't believe that but I don't doubt her. She asked me what I had in mind for allowance before we switched to text.

[Pessimist]

To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?.

I never mention sex in my chats or messages. It is a huge No No. I do mention a range of allowance I am comfortable with. Some girls understand what is Involved and some others either don't, or pretend not to know, or just want more details. When they ask "what do I have to do for this allowance, or what will we do when we meet" I say let's meet up and figure out. If they still pretend not to understand, I keep quiet and some of them come back and ask to meet and others simply disappear. Either way, I am fine. But I will never put down in texting that sex is expected.

[Elvis 2008]

To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?.

Outside SA for sure. If you mention $ for sex on the site, you will get banned. It is even better to go to WhatsApp or Telegram over simple texting because those sites are encrypted.

[Elvis 2008]

Always a hotel. Never, ever own home. Have been inside the girl's house a few times but I prefer the first time to be in a hotel. I am a bit paranoid.

Yeah, when married, I had a hotel run by a Mr. Patel where he would take the cash and not enter me into a data base. You do not get that with the chains. I strayed from that and should not have. He knew what I was up to, but he took my money because I never caused anyone trouble.

I assume this is a problem for other married folks here as well. Single guys have it easy.

Yeah, we do, and the stress of cheating takes more of a toll than most married men are willing to admit. I did not know how much weight was on my shoulders until after the divorce.

The best excuse I ever heard was going to the gym and leaving your phone in a locker and going with your burner after that. You can even take a shower after the deed.

But I think wives still know. I came home one time after showering and got all the glitter off. ("Honey, I was not a strip club. I tried making you a card with all that glitter but with that attitude, I am not giving it to you. ") and the ex-wife said you went to a strip club. I asked why she thought that, and she told me it was the only time I was happy.

Maybe some guys can pull it off, but apparently I could not with mine. I think most wives know but will themselves to believe it is not true.

If your wife is making it and bringing an equal or significant amount to the marriage, Pessimist, IMO she is the rare wife who is not a ho. A ho takes money for sex. A pro takes money for sex from many men. There are a lot of wives who are glorified hos, and a lot of SBs who are pros.

[Elvis 2008]

I wonder if this is the same looking from the SB side. I think there is a high burnout on girls that join hoping it will be easy money and then get bombarded with dick pics.

AP, I think it is worse. From what I saw once, the number of legit SDs was in the 2 to 5% range, and that was a while ago. My bet is that it is worse now.

[Elvis 2008]

Yes, the site requires some hard work, that is a given. It is not cheap either. I usually get on a month and then back off for 3 months or so. It can be exhausting weeding thru all the ones on their. Honestly, I weed thru a lot of girls on SA. Fortunately, I can usually get a vibe of where it is going in the first few messages. If she won't give me her number to text in the first few messages, cull. If they ask for money up front, cull. If they are not interested in meeting in the next few days, cull. If they want to do SC or KIK, cull. It is true that only 10-20% on the site are legit prospects and it is time consuming trying to find them. I often get frustrated but quickly remind myself of the pot at the end of the rainbow. The few really good ones I have found have made it worth the effort for me.

Great post Bdb! It is better abroad but yes 10-20% is a fair number for the legit prospects in the USA in my experience too.

[Bdb013]

To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?.

I never discuss specifics on SA. I get their text number in the first few messages. Then I get right to the point in the first few text messages. Get expectations right away including money. Expectations from both parties on the table.

I start off by asking if they have a place I could come to or what about a hotel? What are their financial expectations. If we are still good, I ask about specifics such as bare, their likes or dislikes, my likes and dislikes.

If we are on the same page, we will set a time to meet. If we are not on the same page, we go our own way.

For me, its best to get to point quickly and not waste anyone's time. It takes time to work these SA contacts, so I try not to waste any more than I need to.

[HumbleHal]

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

I always tell the woman we would have to meet in person and see how we feel. If we feel comfortable, and like each other we could go back to my place afterwards. No pressure on either of us. That way they are more relaxed and if we come to terms in person, then we can go back to my place and do the deed.

I never throw out the amount money in my messages, nor respond to their requested amount. Talk about $$ is a sign that the woman is more concerned with money than she is with liking you. Its also rude, like a guy telling the girl what type of fetish he wants, or BBBJ, or anal. I always say, We need to meet in person and first see how we feel before it goes any further. No pressure on either of us. After all, its supposed to be about liking the other person. I don't go to bed with anyone, and if there is a connection then the financial support will work itself out. It also depends on how many times we would meet per week, once twice or more, as far as how much financial support they would earn. An allowance has to be earned by good behavior, its not free money. There has to be a connection.

[The Cane]

They want money for babysitters, sitter for sick aunt they provide home care for, uber money, gas money, etc. If they do not have a car and play this routine, hang up on them! If would never get better than their first attempt to scam you and you could never trust them- its all about the money to most of them and not about sharing a long term arrangement where both people feel comfortable and can travel together and trust.

Even if they claim to have a car, it still might be advisable to hang up on them. For example, I got hit with the gas money / babysitter scam. I shared that in my second field report I believe it was. At the last minute, "she" (I say it like that because you really never know exactly who you're dealing with most of the time) she wanted me to send $200 for gas and a sitter, when just a few minutes ahead of that request, she had already allegedly left the house headed for the restaurant. Needless to say, I didn't fall for it. Nice try! Some of you may recall the one I told you about who said she could not entertain, but that she had a car and was happy to meet her clients around the metro area. Her fee was $125 per hour (huge red flag for being way below market), and to arrange for a date, all I had to do was send her half of the payment upfront. So for example, if I wanted 2 hours, that would be $250 with half to be paid upfront to to her cash app to "protect her". LOLOLOL! Yeah right! And then get ghosted in the end! I wonder how many suckers fall for that one?

And speaking of not knowing who you're dealing with, here's another one. So, I'm communicating with this attractive young "lady", and she wants to switch to WhatsApp. OK, well here we go! I had already read how this is a favorite tactic of some scammers. So anyway, I agreed to do that (switch to WhatsApp), and guess what? The fraudster forgot to change their WhatsApp photo to match what they were using on the site, and who do I see? A middle-aged white guy with a scruffy beard wearing a dirty, weathered baseball cap! At some point in my Seeking "journey", I decided to have some fun by "fucking with a fraudster". My favorite ones for this were the cryptocurrency crooks. So, what I would do is play along for a bit. Make them think they were slowly reeling me in. Then out of the blue I would say something like, "You understand that I know you're full of shit right? That you're just another scammer! So fuck off"! Dead "radio silence" hahaha! Then I would block them. Some of these fraudsters definitely wasted some of my time no doubt. A lot of it actually. But nary a one of them got even one red cent out of me. That's for darn sure! And I made sure to strike back on occasion by wasting some of their time too. Hehehe!

[Pk099]

To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?

TIA.

[HumbleHal]

How do you guys handle the logistics like getting a place to do the deed if it is in your hometown? Do you get a hotel room, go the girl's place or bring her back to yours?
Also, would you drive to a neighboring city, perhaps two hours from your hometown, for a ppm? Curious to know how you guys go about arranging this.

I live alone, so I would meet at a nearby restaurant and if all went well, bring them back to my apartment. Never had much problems if we felt good about each other and agreed on terms of an arrangement.

Rarely would drive to another city to meet, then you are on their turf, and would have to go back to their house. A few times it would work, but you have already obligated yourself with your time and gas.

Right now am taking a break. Too much crap on their site and scammers. They want money to meet now-I told them my time was worth more than theirs, if I would be supporting them financially in an arrangement. Often they would hang up the phone at that point, when they realized they could not scam me. They want money for babysitters, sitter for sick aunt they provide home care for, uber money, gas money, etc. If they do not have a car and play this routine, hang up on them! If would never get better than their first attempt to scam you and you could never trust them- its all about the money to most of them and not about sharing a long term arrangement where both people feel comfortable and can travel together and trust.