Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

It's not hard to find mature women. It's finding the mature women who take care of themselves.

Strangely, there are a few mature women on Seeking and some of them are seeking some type of remuneration. How much do they pay Seeking for their subscription?

I like older women too. Older women that are not married usually take good care of themselves, I guess to maintain their marketability. I actually met a bunch on SA. I can think of two right now off the top of my head. At the time, both were in their 50's, while I was in my late 40's. They were phenomenal in the sack. As for payment, both said that I could give them whatever I wanted. The money was just a small bonus for them. They just wanted to fuck. One lived in a huge house on the lake. She always made me amazing dinners, and then amazing breakfasts the next day. The other one had a great job. So, neither were on SA for the money. Both had huge fake tits, which I loved. For me, for some strange reason, big fake tits on a 50-something is hotter than big fake tits on a 20-something.

I used to go to cougar bars, but there's usually young guys that go there too, and the hot cougars always ended up going home with them, so I just quit that scene.

In fact, I just feel like it's pretty easy to hook up with someone in their 50s, but you're right in that we have to know where to find them, especially the ones that take good care of themselves.

Married women are another possibility. Some of them haven't had sex in years. But not sure where your ethics are with this. I had an affair last year with someone whose been married for over 20 years. Her husband doesn't even kiss her. And the last time she had sex was 6 years ago, and that was also an extramarital affair. So, she and I would meet once or even twice per week, and all we did was fuck. We barely even chatted. She never asked for a dime. That was the perfect arrangement, LOL.

[Elvis 2008]

Glad you liked it.

Rextor,

I liked your report as well. I will say that the escort scene was much better than the SB scene preCovid in Mexico City. I have two Mexican SBs now who meet my needs there, and I have given up trying to find better.

Pandemic conditions until at least middle 2021 + being vaccinated + being able to work remotely + disposable income = more fucking around in foreign countries upcoming.Colombia is likely next, as I have a novia-lite there that I've been talking to for like the last 6 months.

Colombia is a gold mine. I have been talking to six hot women, and all the guys there have been saying how great it is. You need a Covid PCR test, and it was $450 in my area and kind of a hassle so So I plan on going to Fort Lauderdale tomorrow and then heading out the following day after getting the test for $170 here: https://labdoctor.org/.

I hope they do not require this test for long. Anyway, with seeking, I would always shoot for the best looking women. With the USA, that meant like a date a month. Precovid, with Mexico City, that was like two dates a week. After Covid, I was going on a date a day.

In Bogota, preCovid it was one a day. In Medellin, it was two per day, so I cannot imagine what it is like now.

I am not going to be able to see all the women I have been chatting up in Colombia which is fucking crazy. I am only going to be able to meet 4 out of the 6 I have been chatting up.

Every country in the world has the best women available, every country but the USA. I guess all that government bailout money has prevented what has been going on in other countries.

[WyattEarp]

You might want to check into free cruises on "Loveboats" that cater to women travellers. Talked to one guy who went on a free cruise in exchange for going to social activities and dancing with mature female paying passengers. Apparently there was a shortage of men for these older mature women so the cruise ship was giving out free cruises to get enough men on board to go to social activities with the mature ladies. Be prepared to dance a lot and be pursued on the ship by herds of mature "groupies."

I would think that is a little older than I'm thinking, The cruise scene sounds like 60's and 70's. There are a few bars in my city that cater to an older crowd. Retro music, dancing, etc. You run into the same issues that you have in pick-up places. It's too loud, can't have a conversation, everything devolves to a base level of attraction, your clothes, your watch, blah, blah, blah. Don't get me wrong. It can be fun. However, younger guys show up so a hot, woman in her 40's who just wants action knows she can score a thirty year-old guy.

I don't mind the competition, but I prefer meeting women when they least expect it. They tend to be impressed with someone who can come up to them in a store or non-club environs.

This reminds me of a time I was shopping years ago. This attractive, older woman put something in my cart by accident (or maybe not by accident. I have very bold, quick reactions and immediately said "What are you doing? Are you coming home with me?" The lady was a gamer and quickly replied "Why? Do you want me to?" We laughed and talked. I got her number and took her out a few times. Always winding up at her nice house. She was a firecracker.

[Travv]

You might want to check into free cruises on "Loveboats" that cater to women travellers. Talked to one guy who went on a free cruise in exchange for going to social activities and dancing with mature female paying passengers. Apparently there was a shortage of men for these older mature women so the cruise ship was giving out free cruises to get enough men on board to go to social activities with the mature ladies. Be prepared to dance a lot and be pursued on the ship by herds of mature "groupies."

On a related note, does anyone know any social websites where you can meet attractive women in their 40's-50's? You used to be able to find mature women on yahoo personals or even craigslist if you were lucky. I know some of you don't consider mature women, but with plastic surgery and health clubs there are quite a few women in that age group that still got it. In the rare occasion I run into an attractive mature (sans wedding ring) at the store, the health club or in an office building, I usually flirt my ass off. They are very receptive to flirtation anywhere, anytime at that age. If they size you up, agree to meet you and they like you, there is not going to be the third date-fourth date slow Bolero build-up to the bedroom. Mature women don't waste time.

It's not hard to find mature women. It's finding the mature women who take care of themselves.

Strangely, there are a few mature women on Seeking and some of them are seeking some type of remuneration. How much do they pay Seeking for their subscription?

[Luminous]

Loved your insight. I just find it hard finding mature woman that look half way decent and take care of themselves!

It's not hard to find mature women. It's finding the mature women who take care of themselves.

Strangely, there are a few mature women on Seeking and some of them are seeking some type of remuneration. How much do they pay Seeking for their subscription?

[WyattEarp]

Decided to poke around Tinder for a bit and see what I could scare up. Yikes. 90% ugly or fat or both. The remaining 10% are scams and only fans and subscribe to see my pussy girls. Basically any girl that is mildly attractive wants money for doing essentially nothing.

On a related note, does anyone know any social websites where you can meet attractive women in their 40's-50's? You used to be able to find mature women on yahoo personals or even craigslist if you were lucky. I know some of you don't consider mature women, but with plastic surgery and health clubs there are quite a few women in that age group that still got it. In the rare occasion I run into an attractive mature (sans wedding ring) at the store, the health club or in an office building, I usually flirt my ass off. They are very receptive to flirtation anywhere, anytime at that age. If they size you up, agree to meet you and they like you, there is not going to be the third date-fourth date slow Bolero build-up to the bedroom. Mature women don't waste time.

It's not hard to find mature women. It's finding the mature women who take care of themselves.

Strangely, there are a few mature women on Seeking and some of them are seeking some type of remuneration. How much do they pay Seeking for their subscription?

[WyattEarp]

Steve and Midwestern, thanks again for your insights. When screening profiles, it's good to know that other than the obvious non-starters that there are many different types of profiles that can lead to good encounters. I don't consider FWB too forward. I like a girl who notes discretion. Any girl who discusses having fun in her profile is making a good impression.

While I have not stuck my toe in the Sugar Bowl, I started to realize that these young women were not always sure how to stick out from the crowd and make a good impression. Should she come on strong? Should she be chill? She doesn't want to come off like a szlut on her public profile, etc, etc. I think there are plenty of pretty girls who have photos in clothing that show off their figure (bikini or not). They seem genuine and interested in a good time.

I am mostly considering SA for the USA Right now. Although Rextor's great trip makes me think you can plan a fun vacation (if you don't mind some flakes and head games). The expectation as a foreign visitor has to be that the relationship is one or two nights. Yes, if you really dig someone you can meet up on another trip or fly them to meet you somewhere. I am more worried of USA SBs who want more from me, get crazy and indiscreet.

Let me insert here, I like Steve's not too young (too flaky), not too old (thinking about being married) analysis of his experiences. He recommends the 21-24 year old girl who is sexual, adventurous and just wants to have fun. (I hope I got that right, Steve.) Midwestern, I don't rule out divorced women. I have also dated them on occasion. It's nice when they just want to have fun and nothing serious. And yes, Midwestern I like intelligent girls. I couldn't relate to dumb twentysomething women even when I was a twentysomething.

[Rextor]

Your two weeks in CDMX was fucking EPIC! As I was reading about your second week, I almost choked on my drink when I read about your Tuesday. I'm still like, LOLWUT! Thanks for sharing your adventures, man. I'm sure everyone on here benefited from it, learned something, and enjoyed reading it.

Glad you liked it. Pandemic conditions until at least middle 2021 + being vaccinated + being able to work remotely + disposable income = more fucking around in foreign countries upcoming. Colombia is likely next, as I have a novia-lite there that I've been talking to for like the last 6 months LOL.

And yeah kids these days are fucking and sucking whomever, and the world is a better place for it.

[Midwestern]

I only saw her twice in the past couple of weeks, once for lunch, and another time in a movie room, which is like a KTV room, but it's for watching movies, at $8 an hour. There's a huge bed in the room, and we fooled around for two hours. Then, I didn't see her for a week because I was busy at work and also her Aunt Flo visited. But we text each other every day.

Anyway, I finally saw her today, and we had a hot 2. 5 hour love making session. She said she loved me. I am starting to have real feelings for her too.

I didn't give her a dime today. She even paid for the hotel room ($30).

So far, this saga has lasted for 3. 5 weeks.

Eventually, I will start paying her $1,200 per month, which was our previously agreed arrangement before we got into a huge fight when I told her that I was married. I have to give her money, because I can't have her thinking that this is a real relationship.

My update seems pathetic compared to Rextor's epic report and SA adventures, but I'm a pretty happy camper right now.

We met today. She gave me a dirty look. I apologized. She then said get ready for a slap to the face, but she just tapped me gently. I again said sorry, and I gave her my best puppy dog eyes, and she said let's never talk about this again. Then, we proceeded to spend the next 3 hours together. Just walking around, holding hands, kissing, chatting, and finally lunch. It didn't feel awkward at all.

We didn't discuss any arrangement today, because I thought it was too soon to bring it up. My only damage today was the price of a meal and my time. But I had a great time. She makes me laugh. Plus, she's just really hot. When I saw her today, it seemed like every guy around was looking at her. Well, in her skin tight jeans and skin tight shirt, you'd have to be gay not to stare at her, LOL.

But now, I'm pretty horny, so I might have to spend the afternoon with a high end pro.

[Midwestern]

Week 2.

Tuesday met probably the most beautiful woman I'll ever have sex with, but the thing is she had a dick haha. She is a trans model, originally Venezuelan but now living in CDMX. I mean, drop dead gorgeous, once you're with a girl like that you realize that they are on another level. She was headlining publications and PRIDE marches and here I had here in my apartment. Definitely no GFE (always checking her phone for a dinner she was about to go to) but very serviceable in the sack. Once again my oral skills were appreciated and we were both satisfied. Would not repeat, but holy shit, just being in the same room with her was an experience.

Your two weeks in CDMX was fucking EPIC! As I was reading about your second week, I almost choked on my drink when I read about your Tuesday. I'm still like, LOLWUT! Thanks for sharing your adventures, man. I'm sure everyone on here benefited from it, learned something, and enjoyed reading it.

[Midwestern]

For me.

(4) Any girl that specifies "wanting to e spoiled" or "wanting to enjoy the finer things in life" is OFF my list. For me it shows that they have the wrong expectation of the SB-SD agreement. I know that for me as a SD I'm not searching in the oe of finding a girl just so I can have the fun of throwing money at them. That happens for the right girl with a sensible performance based attitude.

I totally avoid those profiles too. This is why SA is a lot of work. Sometimes, I will go through a hundred profiles until I find one that I like.

[Levelup34]

Great review. Hoping to get down there in Oct.

Week 2.

Sunday, part 1 met a nice, cute 19 year old at my apartment in the morning. Very shy, and very starfish but she seemed to enjoy my oral. The sex was mediocre but she was tight and I enjoyed myself. 1500 MXN (70 USD) for a nice morning quickie, well spent I thought.

I then moved Airbnb's from Roma Norte to Condesa, which I liked a lot better. Hipster / hippie / yuppie, tons of places to walk around and check out, beautiful park right in the middle, and seemed safer than Roma. Got a rather European-vibe from the area, highly recommended.

Sunday, part 2 intro Hippie Chick. The one thing is, it's really easy to recognize a quality profile on SA when you see one. Clear effort into both sections of her profile, pictures that showed her physical beauty as well as a personality. She was 100% my type physically so I shot her a message. She opened with 4000, and she accepted by counter of 3000 MXN (142 USD). We met at the Museo Tamayo en Chapultapec. She was an absolute cutie, and, as I learned, smart, funny, educated, cultured, and actually the daughter of the ex-mayor of CDMX. She comes from a pretty wealthy and well-connected family. Had a really good time, when back to the apartment and also had a really good time but I did not manage to finish this girl clearly fucked with my head a bit..

[Mongerer88]

You keep saying or at least implying that I like USA Cops.

I don't.

But you keep saying things that aren't supported by an actual analysis of data.

There have not been tens of thousands of Johns arrested in sting operations.

Some of us actually study arrests and techniques.

It seems that your solution when you dislike USA Cops, or read some propaganda that you disagree with, is to abandon the USA Entirely.

That is certainly what the USA Cops want.

Most of us recognize that non-USA Sex workers provide a better value than those in the USA But most USA Johns earn far more than foreign workers when doing the same jobs in the USA So it has never been clear to me why the same principle would not be true for USA Sex workers.

For those of us who do this in the USA, real risk / reward calculations are important, which is why I object to your generalizations and numbers that aren't supported by an analysis of actual data. And massage parlors were never safe, by the way. Even before the Kraft case, if you were in there when a cop was wearing a wire in another room and gave the signal for the backup to arrive after she said the "wrong thing", the cops went around and opened doors trying to find illegal activities in process.

But Seeking Arrangement is one on one private activity that would seem to fall outside of all known arrests and citations. Those of us into seeing independent escorts who screen, and / or Seeking ladies, keep a close watch to see if L. E. Ever crosses boundaries it never has before. I don't think that will ever happen.

I actually thought about why this topic pisses so many people off, and I realize that with any stressful situation the first and second reactions like with grief are denial and then anger. When a guy comes in and talks about the risk and breaks through the denial like I did, the anger, which I have told you all has happened before, should be expected.

You have two choices mongering in the USA: you can accept that if you pay for sex that you are supporting human trafficking as law enforcement says or you can think like I do LE is fucking crazy and make adjustments based on that fact.

You are programmed with all you watch to think LE is filled with heroes and good guys instead of just thinking about them as the people they are. What woke me up to this was one police officer who arrested me and was fired the next day because basically he was an idiot and everyone wanted to know what I did wrong. What actually happened is the police officer did not know the law. When I said what I was stopped for, the response was that I probably said something wrong as if that was something that I should be arrested for. Here were people who knew me and had known me for decades throwing the first amendment in the trash can just so they could cling to the notion that what happened to me would not happen to them..

[DramaFree11]

An SB once told me that the reason she was on SA is because she realized that she was fucking guys for free on Tinder when she could be fucking guys for money on SA. She said it was like an epiphany for her.

Yep, they have told me the same. This why I love the girls in Russia / Mexico, so much better experience.

[Midwestern]

Decided to poke around Tinder for a bit and see what I could scare up. Yikes. 90% ugly or fat or both. The remaining 10% are scams and only fans and subscribe to see my pussy girls. Basically any girl that is mildly attractive wants money for doing essentially nothing.

Beyond disappointing. Totally sucks ass!

An SB once told me that the reason she was on SA is because she realized that she was fucking guys for free on Tinder when she could be fucking guys for money on SA. She said it was like an epiphany for her.