Seeking Arrangements

[Akibono]

Layla says she gets too crazy when she gets drunk. So she is only going to drink with me. Do I believe this? Nope. But happy to perpetuate the fantasy! Let's get drunk together babe just you and me. 😋.

Btw I do believe u will for sure have more success with a girl who is drinking I dont mean this in a bad way not to take advantage of her but we are all a bit more DTF when drinking. I have had 4 coffee dates and other than Layla who has played the game before and DTF, the other three were fails. They were newbies and thought on it overnight and maybe it wasnt for them. 90% sure we would have ended up together in bed if it was drinks instead of coffee. So take this under advisement.

Although one just sent me a naked pic out of the blue. She said she just wanted to brighten my day. Still not sure about SB but it feels like a crack in the wall for sure! I will see if I can get her out for drinks...

It seems like she is sending a message. Why not kid her about how sex she looks and what a tease. And then introduce a subtle statement about sex? If she is testing the waters, you'll get the message. But you are already a pro.

[LshRoomer]

Layla says she gets too crazy when she gets drunk. So she is only going to drink with me. Do I believe this? Nope. But happy to perpetuate the fantasy! Let's get drunk together babe just you and me. 😋.

Btw I do believe u will for sure have more success with a girl who is drinking I dont mean this in a bad way not to take advantage of her but we are all a bit more DTF when drinking. I have had 4 coffee dates and other than Layla who has played the game before and DTF, the other three were fails. They were newbies and thought on it overnight and maybe it wasnt for them. 90% sure we would have ended up together in bed if it was drinks instead of coffee. So take this under advisement.

Although one just sent me a naked pic out of the blue. She said she just wanted to brighten my day. Still not sure about SB but it feels like a crack in the wall for sure! I will see if I can get her out for drinks...

Very interesting sir. I haven't had a "coffee date" so far, though it has been proposed (and turned down). My goto is always drinks and / or dinner. If a girl tells me she doesn't drink, I usually shy away from her. I'm not saying that nondrinkers won't give you a great session, be spontaneous, and uninhibited. It just hasn't been my experience. Just like you mentioned, my intent isn't to get them sloppy drunk in order to bang them, it's more that drinks make the conversation flow more smoothly and lower inhibitions both sexually and conversationally. In my case, I am usually in town for a couple of days max, so I need the SB to warm up really fast in order to enjoy each other and establish a foundation for next time.

Quick question:

Imagine you have a great night out with an SB and you pay the agreed upon PPM (300 euro in my case). If she then text you a few days later and ask, "What you doing tonight" and wants you to go out with her, is this considered a "meet" (in general)?

Why do I ask?? This has happened a few times, but only with 2 SBs. With both girls I have made the assumption that I will pay for out outing and maybe if the mood suites us, we will return back to my place for end of night sex (and we did). With both girls, I did not pay the PPM whenever they asked me to go out. However, I have paid the PPM when I have needed their time. What do you guys think, PPM even when they ask you out or not?

02 requested LOL.

[Steve 9696]

Nothing personal Steve, I don't know your age or your looks, but I think some of these girls fantasize about handsome guys in their thirties and early forties sweeping them off their feet.

This is just an anecdote. I was following a city I travel to occasionally on SA. Over several months, this pretty girl (who looks like my ex-GF who was crazy in the sack) lowered her age from 60 to 50 and now 40. Granted everyone fudges on their age so perhaps when she put down 50 she was getting propositioned by 60 year old guys. Forty years old though, really?

You are definitely right there is some fantasy there. But the girls I've met have all seen my picture and know I am "middle aged" to put it kindly. The atmosphere and alcohol is clearly a deciding factor. Here are my stats over the last year as far as getting laid:

Dinner / alcohol - 22 for 23 (and would have been 23 for 23 had I known early what I know now. Still missing that one that got away (second SA date ever) and still hope to see her again! We had mad chemistry but I was amateurish.

Lunch / Coffee / No alcohol - 1 for 4. (Layla).

It's not only the alcohol tho it's time of day also. You have a nice dinner it's dark out you are escalating at the bar. Feels natural to get a room. In the cold light of day the flow is just not there. Going to try to stick to nighttime from now on.

And guys out there reading this - dont think I am 22 for 23 because I am some great looking stud. Far from it. Yes I am not objectionable but far from super handsome. 98% of it is being charming and fun to be with (and having money LOL) Just enjoy the moment and make sure they are having a blast and the rest will follow.

And if u are feeling rusty with ur game (or never had one - here’s looking at u Steve!) go check out Attraction Japan and the Playbook. This is all about street pickup in Japan but man just the basics of how to handle girls — total eye opener for me.

[WyattEarp]

They were newbies and thought on it overnight and maybe it wasnt for them. 90% sure we would have ended up together in bed if it was drinks instead of coffee. So take this under advisement.

Nothing personal Steve, I don't know your age or your looks, but I think some of these girls fantasize about handsome guys in their thirties and early forties sweeping them off their feet.

This is just an anecdote. I was following a city I travel to occasionally on SA. Over several months, this pretty girl (who looks like my ex-GF who was crazy in the sack) lowered her age from 60 to 50 and now 40. Granted everyone fudges on their age so perhaps when she put down 50 she was getting propositioned by 60 year old guys. Forty years old though, really?

[Steve 9696]

I am wondering how the girl feels the day after. Did she enjoy the experience and want to do it again or was she afraid of being her uninhibited self? So girls are naturally dtf, but other require some help in lowering inhibitions.

Layla says she gets too crazy when she gets drunk. So she is only going to drink with me. Do I believe this? Nope. But happy to perpetuate the fantasy! Let's get drunk together babe just you and me. 😋.

Btw I do believe u will for sure have more success with a girl who is drinking — I don’t mean this in a bad way — not to take advantage of her but we are all a bit more DTF when drinking. I have had 4 “coffee dates” and other than Layla who has played the game before and DTF, the other three were fails. They were newbies and thought on it overnight and maybe it wasn’t for them. 90% sure we would have ended up together in bed if it was drinks instead of coffee. So take this under advisement.

Although one just sent me a naked pic out of the blue. She said she just wanted to brighten my day. Still not sure about SB but it feels like a crack in the wall for sure! I will see if I can get her out for drinks...

[Akibono]

My favorite thing in the entire world is drunk sex. To me, the difference between sex and drunk sex is huge. If I can do the latter, I'll do it every day. If I can only do the former, then I can sometimes go a week without sex.

Great report, BTW.

Normally, I'd be jealous, but I had too had a great session recently with my arrangement.

I am wondering how the girl feels the day after. Did she enjoy the experience and want to do it again or was she afraid of being her uninhibited self? So girls are naturally dtf, but other require some help in lowering inhibitions.

[LshRoomer]

My favorite thing in the entire world is drunk sex. To me, the difference between sex and drunk sex is huge. If I can do the latter, I'll do it every day. If I can only do the former, then I can sometimes go a week without sex.

Great report, BTW.

Normally, I'd be jealous, but I had too had a great session recently with my arrangement.

There are times, especially in Denver or Amsterdam where an edible (just a bit) can really change the tides of the encounter. If you just dip your foot in the water with 2 MG or so (not much more unless you are a seasoned partaker), and one or two beers, you will definitely see the difference. Just like alcohol, don't ingest too much and it will guarantee you a great night.

I once gave my SB an edible in Prague and told her to take it easy (don't eat too much) and that it takes about an 1-2 hours to kick in. She was already buzzed from our outing, and after 30 minutes complained a bit that she didn't' feel it. After 90 minutes or so, I could tell she was feeling the edible and she became completely uninhibited. Great sex and my camera failed me, I was so mad. LOL.

[Midwestern]

My favorite thing in the entire world is drunk sex. To me, the difference between sex and drunk sex is huge. If I can do the latter, I'll do it every day. If I can only do the former, then I can sometimes go a week without sex.

Great report, BTW.

Normally, I'd be jealous, but I had too had a great session recently with my arrangement.

Well I am pretty drunk so perilously hard to finish, but we do:

CG in chair.

RCG in chair.

Mish on bed.

Doggie on bed.

Half spoon half doggie.

Doggie closed legs.

Doggie prone bone.

More mish.

Masturbation show.

Lots of ball licking and sucking.

Passionate DFK (short tho).

Eventually shoot a load on her chest via HJ and BLS. Very nice.

If I had any doubts if she is a keeper or not, those were blown away. I just need to get her liquored up to get the tigress Layla, not the robot Layla!

[Steve 9696]

A quick update on Layla who remains my regular thing during Covid. So last time we were together we had a solid time but during pillow talk she got very solicitous and asked what can she do to be a better sugar baby? WTF? That's amazing service. I like that!

Well I was honest and said our room time is a bit mechanical and forced — it doesn't flow well. She took this under advisement in good spirits. We had previously discussed the fact that she gets drunk super easy. So we kind of made a joint plan to liquor her up and see where things go.

Next night out we started with a brilliant dinner. This was super nice because every time so far we have gone direct to room. It was good just to chat. I learned so much about her. She is no shallow girl. More facets than a diamond. Oh and she used to be a stripper. I seem to attract this persona! This will pay off later in the night.

So we got a bottle of wine after dinner and headed to the room for a WILD time. Lady Tigress was in hiding! She is a COMPLETELY different girl when liquored up. Soooo much fun. And she just smiles and giggles nonstop. And OMG her smile. Its just amazing. She has two wattages -- standard OMG wattage and drop a load in your shoe wattage. Amazing!

We started over by the dresser just getting naked and drinking wine. She threw it back pretty quickly and was getting loopy. She gets super sexy and smily when drunk so this was totally working. At some point she puts me in the chair and says let me do my stripper thing. (totally naked). She's clearly done this before. She is doing the sexy cat and down between my legs and up for back grind, but mixed in with BJ. She knows WTF she is doing and gets me hard as a brick.

Well I am pretty drunk so perilously hard to finish, but we do:

CG in chair.

RCG in chair.

Mish on bed.

Doggie on bed.

Half spoon half doggie.

Doggie closed legs.

Doggie prone bone.

More mish.

Masturbation show.

Lots of ball licking and sucking.

Passionate DFK (short tho).

Eventually shoot a load on her chest via HJ and BLS. Very nice.

If I had any doubts if she is a keeper or not, those were blown away. I just need to get her liquored up to get the tigress Layla, not the robot Layla!

[Il Drago]

Thanks for all the info. It has helped out.

I'm stuck in the US unfortunately. But I would love to taste some central european juices these days LOL.

I'm looking to travel hopefully next year and I was thinking to try something new. I've been to Europe countless times and as I write this I think of some of the chicks that I want to see when I can get there again. Haven't had the FKK experience yet, or the asian experience. I've been to Japan, but wasn't mongering then. So I was considering where to go once Americans can easily cross borders again.

It sounds like there is a consensus to avoid Singapore, consider Indonesia, and try Thailand. . I'll have to consider whether to try Thailand or do FKK and a few SA girls in Baltics (that already sounds fun) . Hell, Brazil sounds like it has some potential as well.

You should try Belgrade. Food is cheap & amazing. The night life is wild & unique. If you know somebody who is connected, you can get super favorable deals on accommodation 200-300 euro for 1 month for a very decent apartment with great privacy, you do not have to stay the whole month, but that is what you pay, but you will want to stay 1 month, trust me. There are amazing SPAs with pools for very cheep prices. If you know somebody connected, you can rent the pool for several hours for you & a girl for a great price. The good thing about Serbia & Belgrade is that you can enter without any restrictions. I know several guys from America who are currently there. You should definitely think about Belgrade. Did I forget to mention? The girls are super hot, amazingly beautiful.

[NeilGeorge]

Married women are another possibility. Some of them haven't had sex in years. But not sure where your ethics are with this. I had an affair last year with someone whose been married for over 20 years. Her husband doesn't even kiss her. And the last time she had sex was 6 years ago, and that was also an extramarital affair.

Women are Liars, worse than we are! They practice their lies with their girlfriends. Then they try their lies on men, looks like you believed their bull shit. They want strange Dick just like we want strange ass and pussy!

Most married men say their wives have not given them any for years and they sleep in separate rooms, they say that to innocent young women who believe it like you did! LOL!

[Midwestern]

Midwestern, thanks again. Can I ask you to do me a favor? Can you specify the countries where you have had these experiences? It sounds like you get around the globe and everyone seems to agree the USA Sugar baby scene is very different.

I used SA only in the USA. I was on it during 2014-2016. I was very active on SA when I used it. I used it in at least 9 different cities, mostly in SF. Wait, I just remembered that I used SA a lot in Niagara Falls, Canada, too. Actually, SA was amazing in Niagara Falls. Many of the gals that worked in the tourism industry were often hard up for money and looking for ways to make extra income. Same with Las Vegas, which is another place where I used SA sort of actively.

Right now, I'm stuck in Shanghai, and I say "stuck" because I am also partly based in the USA, but due to Covid, I'm currently in Shanghai full time. But as far as mongering goes, being in Shanghai now is pretty awesome, as life and mongering are pretty much back to normal here.

In Shanghai, the wealth disparity is huge. At least a couple of million migrant workers are here, from 2nd and 3rd tier Chinese cities. They work in construction, in restaurants, as housekeepers, at stores, as security officers, as cleaners, etc. In the past couple of years, I have discovered that these gals are prime for arrangements. Almost all of them are just flattered that a foreigner would be romantically attracted to them. These days, I prefer hooking with these migrant workers instead of with pros, simply because I think the migrant workers that I hook up with genuinely like me, which is what I liked about the girls on SA as well.

BTW, that was an awesome line that you used on that lady at the store! I laughed when I read it. Reminded me of one time when I was walking behind three people in NYC, and I overheard the woman say, "Where are all the good men?" And then I suddenly chimed in from behind, "I'm right here!" They all had a good laugh, and we exchanged digits.

[WyattEarp]

Several recent posts mention Robert Kraft.

Based on today's report, it appears that his case will have a Happy Ending.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/09/...utputType=amp/

Kraft really should get a Sugar Baby.

As a New England escort put it, Kraft cannot he expected to masturbate himself while wearing that many Super Bowl rings, and no one in Florida could possibly understand that.

Peter-sahn, you funny!

[WyattEarp]

............She always made me amazing dinners, and then amazing breakfasts the next day. The other one had a great job. So, neither were on SA for the money. Both had huge fake tits, which I loved. For me, for some strange reason, big fake tits on a 50-something is hotter than big fake tits on a 20-something.
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Married women are another possibility. Some of them haven't had sex in years. But not sure where your ethics are with this. I had an affair last year with someone whose been married for over 20 years. Her husband doesn't even kiss her. And the last time she had sex was 6 years ago, and that was also an extramarital affair. So, she and I would meet once or even twice per week, and all we did was fuck. We barely even chatted. She never asked for a dime. That was the perfect arrangement, LOL.

Yes, I absolutely agree fake tits look better on an older woman.

I've been lucky with the divorced and widowed. Divorce mostly. Those hot SBs who marry their SDs are certainly widowed at a fairly early age. Just sayin'.

Midwestern, thanks again. Can I ask you to do me a favor? Can you specify the countries where you have had these experiences? It sounds like you get around the globe and everyone seems to agree the USA Sugar baby scene is very different.

[Elvis 2008]

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