Seeking Arrangements

[LshRoomer]

I guess I look at it differently. I mean they are looking for $$ more than looks but they want someone they won't dread spending time with and vice versa. My experience is if we don't vibe and really chat and "get along" on text then it's not going to work for a date. Girls who just respond with Hey. Yes. No. Ok sounds good. To me these are non starters. Maybe some of these girls would be ok to fuck but dinner would be a real chore.

It's an art. If you want a pro sort of experience, you can quickly find a girl on SA that gives you her whatsapp without even looking at your profile. I ignore those girls. When you find that the girl mentions something in your profile, I found that in those cases they are usually hooked. They have found something that piques their interest and it kinda straddles that nice line where they like your look and you seem like a person they would be interested in chilling with.

I have Lili in Madrid that I hit up whenever I'm in town and last time I was there, she told me that I'm the only person that she still talks to from SA. Now, that may not be the truth, but it was unsolicited. Even still, we have great times together, her english is perfect (english teacher) and it's always 200-250 whenever we link up. There's also light conversation during the time between trips. The point is that I am bonus cash that comes around once in a while, but it's a win for her too because she really likes the sex (this was the girl that laid paralyzed on the bed after some rough doggy and the only word she could muster between breaths was "Wow" LOL) and appears to genuinely like to hang out. She also brings me into her life, explaining how she intends to use the money that I'm helping her out with. THese are the types of arrangements that I favor; one where both people are invested. I guess I would describe it as the nether regions of transaction where the influence of humanity blurs the simplistic trade rules of sex for money and money for sex. LOL.

Then there is Maria in Madrid. That's a totally different specimen of complexity and at this point, no cash has been traded and physically she can't get enough. I think I'm starting to see that the medium of exchange is not cash with her; It's more of an exchange of emotional capital.

The gems are out there and a gem for one guy will be coal for another (assuming you are not a coal miner), as personality plays a big part. SBs often write that they want a guy that knows what he wants. When you have experience finding what you want, it becomes easy to dismiss some, while investing in others. I usually avoid most girls that don't speak enough english to converse without a translator. Maria doesn't speak english, but there was something that made me give her a chance. I later (much later) found that she speaks romanian but grew up in Spain, so now we sit there for hours with broken romanian / spanish / english and comms are easy. Find those gems!

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[TedFerguson]

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.

My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here. I see the cheapness as a con, where you trade time for lowered prices. But maybe the right way to do things is to try both. After a week in Cartagena, I'm heading to Medellin for 2 where I will put more effort into girls around 25, and offer more sugar in exchange. Then go to CDMX for 2 weeks afterwards.

SA is pretty dead in Cartagena. I met one girl who said she was 25, but was really 20. Model, stuck up attitude, on her phone a lot and yet when the clothes came off soft body and bad implants. Another girl said she was 27 but really was 29, came from Barranquilla. Overall a good experience but hard to have a decent conversation as most of what I was talking about seemed to go over her head. Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy.

I suspect there's more cultural overlap with the girls in CDMX, who appear to be more intelligent and refined. The way they talk on WhatsApp suggests they're almost aggressive. I told one girl I didn't know when I was in town, and she replies a few days later with "entonces? She was quite upset I didn't have answer for her yet. This girl was Mexican. Alongside her, I met a couple Argentines with their normal predatory behavior, one more Mexican 8, and one Venezuelan who stopped responding to my messages after I asked for her social media. Mexico appears to be a place where you sacrifice optics for personality.

[DramaFree11]

I do agree with your points about showing them you can pony up and looking better than the average guy on the site. This go around my main picture is of me at a famous location with my back towards the camera. I used this last time too, but it wasn't my main one and it's definitely giving me better results. My other public picture is a closer shot of my body (face still obscured) to show I'm in shape and not just another fat gringo.

This is why I'm back on Seeking: you can find a wider range of women. Of course, you'll find some of the same girls on other sites and pros, but you'll also find normal women with normal jobs. I made an unexpected trip back to Bogota a month after my first visit so I could repeat with some of the women I met. I still text with one and will meet up with her again next year. I paid her nothing when we last saw each other for an entire weekend. I covered the cost of the AirBnB and our daily expenses, but that's to be expected if she's spending 3 days with you.

We are searching for the Diamond in the rough! They are out there, it takes time, hard work, a decent budget and some game.

[The Cane]

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

I have met so many women over the years who claim women don't care about looks, and they're totally full of shit. Women can be, and usually are, just as superficial as men are. If a man cares about looks 95% of the time, then a woman cares about looks at least 90% of the time. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a difference that makes no difference! Women are superficial and care about looks, especially with women's lib and their newfound freedoms and independence, and don't let them snow you into believing anything else in an effort to make themselves appear not superficial, and therefore "better" than men. [Deleted by Admin]

[Voodoo Jones]

Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

I do agree with your points about showing them you can pony up and looking better than the average guy on the site. This go around my main picture is of me at a famous location with my back towards the camera. I used this last time too, but it wasn't my main one and it's definitely giving me better results. My other public picture is a closer shot of my body (face still obscured) to show I'm in shape and not just another fat gringo.

As I think about it I guess I dont view SA as transactional when u get it right. It may sound weird but Id say I am in some sort of relationship with 3 of the 8 and care about the other 5 in some relatively deep way. Ive given branding and e-commerce advice to two of them. Loaned money (and paid back!) twice to one (dont make a habit) and given more boyfriend/ family advice than I probsbly should. Its a really personal and satisfying part of my life to know these girls and their lives.

This is why I'm back on Seeking: you can find a wider range of women. Of course, you'll find some of the same girls on other sites and pros, but you'll also find normal women with normal jobs. I made an unexpected trip back to Bogota a month after my first visit so I could repeat with some of the women I met. I still text with one and will meet up with her again next year. I paid her nothing when we last saw each other for an entire weekend. I covered the cost of the AirBnB and our daily expenses, but that's to be expected if she's spending 3 days with you.

[Steve 9696]

Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

I guess I look at it differently. I mean they are looking for $$ more than looks but they want someone they won't dread spending time with and vice versa. My experience is if we don't vibe and really chat and "get along" on text then it's not going to work for a date. Girls who just respond with Hey. Yes. No. Ok sounds good. To me these are non starters. Maybe some of these girls would be ok to fuck but dinner would be a real chore. I try to really establish a BF GF vibe. And when it succeeds, man does it deliver. And can last. I've got girls in 8 different cities that I can just drop in on and we will pick up like old lovers. So target rich In fact that next week I'm bringing sand to the beach. LOL.

As I think about it I guess I don’t view SA as transactional when u get it right. It may sound weird but I’d say I am in some sort of “relationship” with 3 of the 8 and care about the other 5 in some relatively deep way. I’ve given branding and e-commerce advice to two of them. Loaned money (and paid back!) twice to one (don’t make a habit) and given more boyfriend/ family advice than I probsbly should. It’s a really personal and satisfying part of my life to know these girls and their lives.

[AmericanPi]

All my opening messages are "hola, como estas" and nearly all of them respond. This is like when women on Tinder complain that men's first message is "hey" but then on Bumble (where women message first), they open every conversation with "hey."

Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

[Voodoo Jones]

Agreed. I have lately taking to asking girls on the first date what it's like on the other side of the app.

Apparently they are inundated with guys messages. I ask how they filter and they filter out guys who do simple messages like what's up, and also guys who show indications they won't pony up (I go for hot girls).

All my opening messages are "hola, como estas" and nearly all of them respond. This is like when women on Tinder complain that men's first message is "hey" but then on Bumble (where women message first), they open every conversation with "hey."

[AmericanPi]

I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.

Agreed. I have lately taking to asking girls on the first date what it's like on the other side of the app.

Apparently they are inundated with guys messages. I ask how they filter and they filter out guys who do simple messages like what's up, and also guys who show indications they won't pony up (I go for hot girls).

Girls that favorite me I assume are garbage because hot girls have plenty of options on the site. Too many to respond to.

I also learned that girls who don't pay can respond to messages but they just can't initiate. So girls who message you first are honestly probably scammers or pros.

[DramaFree11]

Unfortunately, I have high standards for optics so I'm willing to pay more or put up with more bullshit to meet them. Out of all the pics posted to this forum, only yours pique my interest.

My current thinking is that if Colombia doesn't work out, then my next step is a quick stop in San Jose CR (closer to my preferred timezone but probably too small), and then finally CDMX where I suspect that while the hot women will be much more expensive, at least they'll behave in a civilized way and there'll be enough selection that I don't get bored.

I'm in Cartagena now and the pickings on SA are slim. Medellin seems much better and I've made a number of contacts there, but those appear to be at best acceptable as opposed to exceptional. I hope that by focusing on age 25+ girls this time around they'll be more mature, punctual and communicative than the early 20's kids I experienced in my last trip there.

Move on to Mxico. So much better and less bull shit then Colombia. Especially if you have a decent budget you will love it.

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.

I am on the plane as we speak, leaving MTY on the way to CDMX.

[TedFerguson]

If Colombia does not work out for you, Ted, and I hope it does, then I would do Santa Cruz next and Lima after that. Sad to say, but the fuckery in Colombia is only a shade below Argentina but you will not find it in Peru or Bolivia.

Unfortunately, I have high standards for optics so I'm willing to pay more or put up with more bullshit to meet them. Out of all the pics posted to this forum, only yours pique my interest.

My current thinking is that if Colombia doesn't work out, then my next step is a quick stop in San Jose CR (closer to my preferred timezone but probably too small), and then finally CDMX where I suspect that while the hot women will be much more expensive, at least they'll behave in a civilized way and there'll be enough selection that I don't get bored.

I'm in Cartagena now and the pickings on SA are slim. Medellin seems much better and I've made a number of contacts there, but those appear to be at best acceptable as opposed to exceptional. I hope that by focusing on age 25+ girls this time around they'll be more mature, punctual and communicative than the early 20's kids I experienced in my last trip there.

[Voodoo Jones]

So this one Medellin woman favorited me and I messaged her. She asked "what are you willing to offer?" and because I know never to discuss money on the site, I gave her my normal response of "mutual benefits and let's meet to see if we like each other". Now I probably messed up my usual wording because she assumed I just wanted to have a dinner date without going back to my hotel. Again, I watch what I say so I don't get banned and my usual responses have worked. They know what I really mean and we talk specifics after I get her number. But this one had the audacity to ask for 200 K just for dinner to "make sure it's worth her time".

The fact that she listed an amount on the site gives me another reason to not even reply. I could ask for her number and try to clear things up, but she's already fucked things up.

Otherwise, things are going well on the site and I'm getting more results than in Bogota. I only met up with 3 Seeking women in Bogota (didn't want to over schedule, which I now know was a mistake), but they were all great experiences. One of them I saw 6 different days over 2 trips and we still text time to time.

[The Cane]

I may be wrong, but it doesn't count as a profile view if the person doesn't actually go to the full page profile. They can still browse your pics in preview mode (when your profile is like a pop up on top of the browsing page). I don't show my face, but my main pic is me standing in front of a famous monument and I've gotten favorites without them viewing my profile.

But I don't have a public picture. Making it all the more reason why I feel I should ignore anyone who favorites me without even looking at my full profile. They're just "speed favoriting" trying to suck in and scam a sucker.

[CarloRogue]

I would probably say my seeking experience in both Manila and Angeles were both duds. So, I would not recommend using it in Philippines.

Manila: The girls are demanding too much in relation to where the values are. Most are asking for 10 to 15 K. Approx USD 200 to USD 300. Thanks but not thanks for this amount in this city. Maybe in European cities but not here. Plus you will never know what you are getting, kind of like a box of chocolates per Gump. If anything, verify your goods with a videochat, always.

Angeles: The pool in itself is small and given the alternatives of large pool of bar girls, it is not even worth the time to look up for one in this city. Bar fine a few girls from the selection of bars and bring them to the Aqua club, and you would suddenly have a pool party atmosphere.

For a counterpoint, I did quite well with SA in the Philippines. As anywhere else, if you only pursue the 9's and 10's (and there are some stunners on there), you have to be aware that they already know their worth and are pursued accordingly. I met several sweet young ladies there, more of the GND type, but they can be just as fun (sometimes more so) and usually more down to earth. Now I also can't resist taking a few shots at the dime-pieces, but I keep my expectations low (I did, and minimized the time wasted).

[Voodoo Jones]

Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?

I may be wrong, but it doesn't count as a profile view if the person doesn't actually go to the full page profile. They can still browse your pics in preview mode (when your profile is like a pop up on top of the browsing page). I don't show my face, but my main pic is me standing in front of a famous monument and I've gotten favorites without them viewing my profile.