Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

Good to learn more about all this. Some more questions from a newbie:

Do y'all mainly use when traveling, or even while at home? If so, do you actually bring the girls back to your place, or get a hotel room for the night? And do you use your real name or phone number? I'm guessing no on the phone at the very least?

I can see this potentially being a fun thing to do when traveling, but I'd get pretty paranoid doing it at home.

I mainly used it at home. I tried using it while traveling, but it usually takes too much time (I did get lucky once though, while on a short business trip). At home, I either booked a hotel or used their place. I usually didn't use my real name and I downloaded Hushed for calls and texts. When I say I used it at home, it means nearby city. For example, if you live in Oakland, then find gals living in SF or find undergrads at Berkeley. But you need to ask them where they really live. Almost everyone lies on that site. Gals don't reveal where they really live, but neither did I. For most part, there's little to be paranoid about. They know what they are in for, so there should be no awkwardness if you accidentally run into them. My main concern was that she was a colleague or someone from my personal circle. So I had to ask a bunch of questions to make sure she wasn't.

[Steve 9696]

Good to learn more about all this. Some more questions from a newbie:

Do y'all mainly use when traveling, or even while at home? If so, do you actually bring the girls back to your place, or get a hotel room for the night? And do you use your real name or phone number? I'm guessing no on the phone at the very least?

I can see this potentially being a fun thing to do when traveling, but I'd get pretty paranoid doing it at home.

Best to just do it when traveling. Two big problems locally finding a place to meet up that is discreet and if you book the hotel it will have your name and probsbly address on it. Better to stick to traveling only. Might consider locally an advanced skill if at all.

If you are a girl enthusiast then having a burner phone is pretty much a must. Treat it like a live grenade tho. Never use your real name with a girl ever. At least that's my advise if you have something to lose.

[RedVBlue]

Good to learn more about all this. Some more questions from a newbie:

Do y'all mainly use when traveling, or even while at home? If so, do you actually bring the girls back to your place, or get a hotel room for the night? And do you use your real name or phone number? I'm guessing no on the phone at the very least?

I can see this potentially being a fun thing to do when traveling, but I'd get pretty paranoid doing it at home.

[CPalmson]

SA works very well in Europe, no problems. I am from Sweden and use SA at home as well as on travel in Europe.

Where in Europe are you going? I mights have some tips..

Thanks for the info. I'm coming in May. London and Frankfurt.

[CPalmson]

Thanks for the info. I'm coming over in May.

SA works very well in Europe, no problems. I am from Sweden and use SA at home as well as on travel in Europe.

Where in Europe are you going? I mights have some tips. .

[Blue Swede]

Which site Seeking Arrangement or Secret Benefits is good in Europe? I'm an SA vet and currently still with my SB for over 3 years. Best addiction of my life. I'm planning a trip to Europe and prefer to meet a non-pro to be my companion while there. I'm talking several days to include overnights. I want a hot, young lady to take to clubs and stuff like that. Suggestions?

SA works very well in Europe, no problems. I am from Sweden and use SA at home as well as on travel in Europe.

Where in Europe are you going? I mights have some tips. .

[Midwestern]

Yes all legit girls want a pic before you meet. In fact real girls ask pretty early on. I always suspect escort when they don't ask for pics. Pro tip: I wanted to use an online pic of me so I have legitimate deniability if it comes back to me. But I don't want it to be searchable. So I used my phone to take a pic of my computer screen with my pic on it. This ensures all the pixels are different and it's quite unsearchable.

When I started I figure agree the amount when you meetup. But I had a couple girls a little disappointed. I've decided it's better to settle the figure first. It's important to phrase it so it's not money for sex. They don't want to feel like escorts (I know U know this midwestern but for others). My three LV girls agreed $400.

And yes I barebacked with girl 1. Was not my idea. But on round two she just ripped the rubber off and mounted up cowgirl. I was powerless to resist! Even tho I did not CIP I asked her to take Plan be just in case and paid for it.

I agree with you on all your pointers. Though I never show my pic before the meet and greet, so it wastes some of my time. I guess I'm paranoid. In fact, I specifically use Hushed, the app that gives you a phone number to use anonymously. The SA site recommends it in fact. At first, Hushed sucked, because connection was poor and often experienced glitches, but it has worked out their kinks. And you're totally right that if the girl doesn't care what you look like, then they are an escort. And finally, you're exactly right that many of these SA girls can genuinely like you, which is a huge plus.

[Steve 9696]

Maybe I missed it in the long post, but what did these girls look like (including race), and how much did you pay them? Thanks.

All three girls were smoking hot. Girl 1 a solid 9 face and body. Girl 2 more a seven but the way she dolls up with extensions and eyelashes and all she looks an 8 (looks a nine in pics! And Girl 3 Krystal is a 9 face and 8 body. Summary. All smokin hot!

All three were $400. But for my second date with Krystal I had just gotten a huge bonus and gave her $600. This actually seems more appropriate for the date I asked for which was:

Room and sex.

Dinner out.

Drinks out.

Room and sex.

It was a solid 4 hours without even counting her sleeping over which is an amazing benefit. Girl 1 slept over also. That's the amazing thing with SA. They decide what they want to do and it's not transactional.

Oh and I love my mixed girls:
Girl 1 = Black Filipina Italian
Girl 2 = Korean Vietnamese Mexican
Girl 3 = Black And Ukrainian.
I find mixes have the prettiest result.

PS it takes a lot of searching to find the girls that are pretty new to this. Not one of them was like “my regular price is 500” or any of that. I had to work the conversation delicately. I think u get better deals and better experience from girls where they will let u lead them a bit.

[Steve 9696]

Steve9696, Excellent FR. I also tried SA in Vegas, and to my surprise I had decent success. I didn't expect that, given how much work and chaos that SA is in SF. Maybe there's a lot of supply in Vegas. One gal told me that there are almost no decent paying jobs in Vegas, so maybe a lot of these gals, that might be working in a casino, are just trying to score some necessary extra cash. I used SA in another tourist location with much success, so maybe same story. Do you show these gals your picture before your first meetings? What do you promise them before you meet? Also, are you ever tempted to bareback these gals given they're not explicit pros?

Yes all legit girls want a pic before you meet. In fact real girls ask pretty early on. I always suspect escort when they don't ask for pics. Pro tip: I wanted to use an online pic of me so I have legitimate deniability if it comes back to me. But I don't want it to be searchable. So I used my phone to take a pic of my computer screen with my pic on it. This ensures all the pixels are different and it's quite unsearchable.

When I started I figure agree the amount when you meetup. But I had a couple girls a little disappointed. I've decided it's better to settle the figure first. It's important to phrase it so it's not money for sex. They don't want to feel like escorts (I know U know this midwestern but for others). My three LV girls agreed $400.

And yes I barebacked with girl 1. Was not my idea. But on round two she just ripped the rubber off and mounted up cowgirl. I was powerless to resist! Even tho I did not CIP I asked her to take Plan be just in case and paid for it.

[Midwestern]

Steve9696, Excellent FR. I also tried SA in Vegas, and to my surprise I had decent success. I didn't expect that, given how much work and chaos that SA is in SF. Maybe there's a lot of supply in Vegas. One gal told me that there are almost no decent paying jobs in Vegas, so maybe a lot of these gals, that might be working in a casino, are just trying to score some necessary extra cash. I used SA in another tourist location with much success, so maybe same story. Do you show these gals your picture before your first meetings? What do you promise them before you meet? Also, are you ever tempted to bareback these gals given they're not explicit pros?

[Midwestern]

Does "without explicit financial arrangements" mean you paid per meeting?

MidW: thanks for the reply. I am actually mongering in the east bay. I've been mongering since '01: aamps, Korean aamps, AMPS, fetish houses.

Without explicit financial arrangement means I never gave them money. I just paid for our outings and trips. Maybe bought them a present every once in a while. I also did pay per date, and it was usually 500 per date in SF, but for that price point she had to be super hot, so I rarely did it. Price point is lower in other parts of the USA. I also had a monthly arrangement, but those are hard to find for me, because I get bored easily and quickly.

Sounds like you know what you're doing in the East Bay. I might ask for intel next time I'm in your neighborhood.

[The Cane]

Maybe I missed it in the long post, but what did these girls look like (including race), and how much did you pay them? Thanks.

[Steve 9696]

Virtually all my SA experiences have been good (17 of 18) but this one tops them all. Thought we need a good FR here so here it is. Long read.

So I had picked out three girls in Vegas and had great dates with all three. I was in touch with all three at least a month in advance and all were great about staying engaged as long distance girlfriends till my visit. This is a key qualifier as an escort will kick you to the curb if you want to chat much or not up for a date that week.

All three went to the room after dinner but wide variation in their experience level at SB so a ton of fun just for variety. They ranged from an SB virgin who I needed to seduce to a clearly confident girl who owned it. And one in between. The best by a mile was Krystal. Best SB experience to date so here it is in its full glory.

So Krystal had sent me a really explicit video the week before our date, which is really unusual. It set the stage for what a confident force of nature she is (reminds me a lot of my Brasileira Thifany). And sure enough Krystal is a confident wildcat of a girl. OMFG she rocked my world. I know a couple of you know Melty in London and it's that kind of super confident sex kitten kind of vibe.

So since Krystal was forward enough to send me pictures of her fucking herself (LOL) I change dinner to the Italian restaurant in my hotel. She's a bit late but she's in my Uber so I know when she arrives and meet her at the hotel lobby.

Wow. Super pretty girl. She's straightened her hair and it looks great that way. Tall girl -- 5-6 or better and spike heels. Displaying a ton of chest. Clearly solid see cups. And on the way to the restaurant she is chatty and bubbly. Like she knows she's the prettiest girl in the place (and she is! I pretty much love her from minute one!

We have a really great dinner. Girl 1 was a bit awkward. Girl 2 was solid. And Krystal is just absolutely great to hang with. There is no lag in the conversation. We talk about everything including her hot sisters. She doesn't try to put on airs or try to keep things private. Just a chatty bubbly open book.

After dinner we walk back into the main bar and casino area and I offer if she wants to get a drink somewhere or go to the room and she says up to me. So let's go to the room baby! Off we go.

There is no pretense at all with Krystal. Its clear she is DTF from minute one. I pour us some wine (man I am going through the Rose!) and we sit on the edge of the bed. Pretty soon we are both leaning in and making out. And then she puts her hand on my dick which is hard by now thru my jeans and says "I really like your dick". This is a bit of a theme. She likes to talk dirty which is not really my thing but it amuses me and she seems to like to do it. And best DFK of the three by far. She's a little hard to figure out, because she definitely has a ton of super experienced moves about her, but she really a regular girl and has a real job. Either way its great.

So I go take a leak and when I come back she asks if she can too -- sure no problem. And out she comes from the bathroom in a black teddy! Fuck! Well it doesn't take us long to get down to business. She's got a great set of see cups, kisses wonderfully, and has a sweet and juicy pussy. She does a pretty big amount of what would appear fake moaning and later screaming, but she is super sloppy, so some of it might be real who knows.

After a bit of DATY I stand up and she slides to the edge of the bed and then onto her knees and says "can I suck your cock?" Or course I say NO. Hahaha kidding. She can such cock for sure. Not as much BLS and licking as I like but she deep throats and is plenty sloppy and vocal -- pretty PSE. At some point she says "will you fuck me baby, I want you to fuck me". While not a fan, the dirty talk growing on me! So I say sure and suit up.

She is soooo sexy when she gets on her back -- those big doe eyes saying fuck me baby and kinda squirming around like she can't get your dick inside here soon enough. I think I'd had a few drinks (and several girls) because I don't remember it all. The mish is really good. Lots of DFK and serious pounding and her being very vocal. "oh my god baby just like that. Go slow and deeper. Oh my god". And a screeching build to apparent O. We move to cowgirl at some point and she fucks me really hard and heavy. Back to mish. We go for like 30 minutes plus.

After I cum, we are laying side by side I go to take the condom off and its not there! WTF? I go uh oh baby I seem to have lost something. She doesn't panic at all. She hops up, goes to the bathroom, and comes back bubbly as can be: "Yep, it was just inside. Theres cum in it so we should be good. But if you want I'll get a morning after pill, they cost like $40 if you don't mind paying -- I'll send you a pic of the receipt". And all this in just the bubbliest happy girl voice. Yeah, not too many girls fish a condom out of their pussy and quote you the price of Plan be. Hahaha! Who cares I kinda love her!

So we just relax comfortably for quite some time, her head on my chest, intertwined. I think we both doze for a bit. At some point, she awakens and her lips are about a foot from my cock and I start getting hard again. And kinda pull her up into DFK and she starts jacking me and we are off to the races again. Some truly great sloppy BJ to start. Some fabulous mish. Doggie. RCG. Loose the condom and do fingering deep while she is on her back and I am mouth fucking her.

We get another condom and go for a while. I mean shit it was probably an hour or more of this. And I feel guilty and while she is on her back looking sooooo sexy I say "sorry babe, but sometimes I am hard to finish" and she says "that's OK baby you can fuck me all night if you want!" OMFG and with that look in her eyes. WTF. A fucking goddess. I will remember her saying that till my deathbed. Unbelievable.

So we fuck some more and then go for BBBJ in several positions -- finally end with her between my legs and I great climax that she swallows without a second thought. This girl is hot chick dynamite.

We talk about her staying but I have a 7 AM call and she has to get up early to go to work also. So we shower and part ways but make plans to go again.

As it turns out I've already booked a repeat with Girl 1 for tonight and she is sooooo sweet I hate to cancel, so I book Krystal for Thursday and she is cool with that. So I get to sample a second date with both ladies. But in Krystal, I've found someone I really vibe with to the point that I would fly her to see me on some travel gig. I hate to waste London on her with so much going on there. But maybe if I travel her in the US I'll see if she'll join me. Anyhow, nice to meet someone I dig that much.

So, Seeking has delivered once again! And what a box of life experiences -- ranging from Girl 2, where I literally had to seduce her and get her horny to get her to break out the pussy -- to Krystal who is a full on rockstar pornstar sex bunny -- and Girl 1 right inbetween barebacking me in the heat of the moment.

OMG What a bunch of fun!

Next day.

So after seeing all three girls, Krystal was the clear winner by a mile. Unfortunately I had already booked Girl 2 again for Wed and I didn't want to cancel on her. I mean this is a bunch of coin for these girls. So I went ahead with that date. It was very good but nothing to write home about -- so I won't.

But my Thursday date with Krystal is one of my all time favorites. She's a keeper. I've only had two girls before who I would fly to London and skip my RoGirls. Thifany (Brazil) and Valentina (Buenos Aires). Krystal is the first stateside girl I would do that with. Plus I could fly her to lame venues like Detroit. I think she'd be down.

So we start by meeting at my hotel and head straight to the room. She was actually about 30 minutes late which offered me a new experience. As I am sipping my Hendricks Tonic in the lounge, a middle aged dude approaches and starts chatting me up. Says I am a handsome and sensitive man and asks for my number. Hahaha! That's a fucking first! LOL.

So Krystal arrives and she's even prettier than I remember. She just breezes in and lights up the place with her bubbly confidence. She has on a super short skirt, so short that it doesn't even come past her jacket. And a "diamond" choker. She is devastating. She is the best looking girl in the hotel and casino by a country mile.

Honestly just walking to the room I feel like a million bucks. She's my girl and everyone else can just stand and drool!

So we head to the room and pour some Rose. Just get on the bed together and drink and chat. So comfortable. Eventually there is soft kissing, turning to passionate DFK and my hand down between her thighs. Where I discover her bad girl black lace panties have a large hole and provide some nice pussy access.

Down I go for some DATY with some nice neck sucking (she loves this) and titty sucking (,her nipples get nicely erect) on the way. Then DATY, at first through the hole, but shortly we lose her panties and I give her some rip roaring DATY including Gspot fingering of course!

Her pussy is super wet and juicy. As Andy and I were just discussing, her being non-pro, it's not excessively washed clean of all smell. It has that perfect young girl pussy smell and when you drive your tongue fully inside there is even more uniquely awesome sauce!

We swap it up and she starts some very good BJ. She doesn't really lick as much as I like but I hesitate to direct her as her in and out is great and sloppy and her lips have just enough black girl in her to make them a joy to watch! Reminds me of Thifany actually. Watching the BJ is a highlight.

She is not shy and she likes to talk dirty. "Do you want to fuck me baby? I want that big dick inside me. " She does a pixie cartoon type of voice. I am not usually a fan of this showmanship but she pulls it off. And yes baby I will now fuck you. Thank you for asking!

We start in cowgirl and boy is she ready to ride. She does all variety of grinding and in and out and chest to chest and fully upright. It's really good but I have enormous stamina given the "hard" week. I do like sometimes to just make it really hard, push as deep as it will go and let her use me as her fuck buddy.

This apparently works as she cums two times spaced about 5 minutes apart. She's super vocal - "oh fuck baby. Shit shit shit. Fuck fuck oH my God I am cumming". It seems a bit made up but she is dripping wet and the second one I felt a couple light pussy clamps so she's definitely having a good time. And fuck she looks great up there riding, perfect see cups bouncing when I am not kneading the fuck out of them.

We swap over to Mish with Plenty of DFK and neck sucking while I fuck her deep. She's left on her heels and diamond choker which just adds to it all. And she is holding her heels with her hands on either side of my head. Super deep. Getting a boner writing this!

At some point I am exhausted and we call it and I ask her to finish by mouth. "Of course baby!" And she launches into some epic BBBJ with CIM and swallow. I love it when they swallow with a smile. Like its yummy. I did drink my pineapple juice so maybe it was!

We rest a bit in each other's arms. Actually I think we both fell asleep for a bit. This is the unrushed part and I love it. We shower together and get dressed and head off for dinner and nightlife. I had told her earlier that I had a surprise for her but she doesn't know what.

As we are exiting the hotel, I detour her into the Swarovski crystal shop. I had scoped it out beforehand and knew everything was affordable and being with this goddess I was super happy to play Real Sugar Daddy and OMG she was over the moon. We jointly picked out an amazing "diamond" necklace with matching earrings.

So we bounce to our Uber, Krystal wearing her new bling, and head to dinner. We are headed to a vibey place called Sake Rok. But when we arrive they say they closed at 10. Boo. But we find another sushi place inside the NYNY hotel And it is super good. Fuck I could look at her all day.

After dinner we bounce to Skyfall, a rooftop bar on the 64th floor of the Delano. Its 11:15 and they close at midnight but what the heck. Highly recommend. A view to die for. We go out on the heated patio and just snuggle and drink. All of Vegas spread at the king's feet. LOL. (we find out later it's a private area we were supposed to pay for but hey we got it free!

As midnight arrives we make it back to the hotel and pretty much crash -- fully clothed on the bed in each other's arms.

We are both fucking wiped out from alot of food and drink and we doze off. At various times I wake up or she stirs too and I have these very conflicted thoughts:

1. I am fucking wiped. It would feel so good to just sleep. I probably can't cum anyhow. I should just call it a night and let sleep take me.

2. Dude you fucking pansy. You have one more chance to fuck the hottest girl in Vegas What the fuck are you thinking!

And these go back and forth in my head as I variously sleep and wake for another hour or so.

Finally, reason prevails and I lean over and kiss her lightly on the cheeks. She stirs but clearly is also super sleepy and considering whether to do it again or not. Well awesome girlfriend that she is she also makes the right decision and swings her leg over me and gets on top and then rises up to fully clothed cowgirl and starts grinding away. I oblige by pushing my now mostly hard dick firmly against her pussy. OK its on!

Round two is much like round one. So she rides cowgirl a long time and gets off again -- she always finishes in cowgirl -- then I mount up in Mish and start some rythmic pounding. I actually try out the Andy move and put a pillow under her butt and fuck on my knees leaning back. I do it waaaay better this time than I did with Girl 1 and I must say the visual of you driving your dick in and out of this goddess is compelling! Thanks Andy! Plus she is strumming her clit good and enjoying being on the bottom.

Eventually tho I feel like I might get soft so I move back into traditional Mish and start a very rythmic pounding again. She starts doing a lot of dirty talk which I usually find offputting. But instead it's really distracting and sexy in a good way and I start to feel the slow build. WTF?

During all the stream of dirty talk -- "oooh fuck me baby. Just like that. Fuck my tight pussy with your big dick" - she throws in "Fuck me Daddy! OMG I just about laugh out loud but I love her zest for making an experience authentic!

Again strangely the dirty talk is working and I am using my trick of not focusing on my dick. I'm looking at her lips. And her slight bunny teeth. That tendon in her neck that is straining sexily. And Wham. We get it done! I am more surprised than anyone! She's a fucking magician and I tell her so.

Now we snuggle back together all naked and exhausted and start dosing again. No rush! And at some point I feel her rouse and she's taking off her necklaces to the bedside table. She's sleeping over! And sure enough we cuddle and spoon and sleep till my alarm hits at 6 AM. She just sleeps on.

As I leave, she rouses a bit when I give her a kiss or two and we say goodbye. Wow! What a girl and what a night! To be repeated for sure. It's just a question of when and where.

[Vendelo]

Vendelo, I also used SA in SF. $500 per date is the nodal price point for SF, especially if she's hot. Maybe try some American girls. Many of the foreigners on there have an escort mindset. But the American girls are often just girl next door types, and cannot make ends meet and / or just want to date rich guys. I mentioned that half of my SA gals were without explicit financial arrangements. They just wanted to enjoy the finer things in life, like nice outings, and they would reciprocate with GFE. For explicit P4 P, the price point is also lower with most Americans too, especially in smaller markets. Good luck.

Does "without explicit financial arrangements" mean you paid per meeting?

Vendelo: Another thing to keep in mind is that SF is a prostitution haven. They are everywhere, including street walkers and in hotel lounges. And, SF is also an AMP haven. FS is available in most of them. So finding a cheap foreigner on SA isn't going to be easy, IMHO. Maybe try Americans and try areas north and south of SF, but not SF proper. If you don't mind traveling a little, I had very good success with SA in Portland, OR. Price point there is 300. And lots to choose from.

MidW: thanks for the reply. I am actually mongering in the east bay. I've been mongering since '01: aamps, Korean aamps, AMPS, fetish houses.

[Midwestern]

I agree with Midwestern that $500 would not surprise me in SF. $400 is quite common in most big cities. Although I've gotten $300 and even $200 (once) in second tier smaller cities with second tier girls. But definitely $400 minimum for a hottie. And even tho I got three girls in NYC to agree $400 it is clear $500 was more market price.

Now the above of course includes sex. And oh Ive gotten with three local girls of late just doing drinks rather than dinner. These were the second tier girls where I didnt really want to spend two hours gazing at them across the table. Worked the same, just a shorter and cheaper experience.

Vendelo: Another thing to keep in mind is that SF is a prostitution haven. They are everywhere, including street walkers and in hotel lounges. And, SF is also an AMP haven. FS is available in most of them. So finding a cheap foreigner on SA isn't going to be easy, IMHO. Maybe try Americans and try areas north and south of SF, but not SF proper. If you don't mind traveling a little, I had very good success with SA in Portland, OR. Price point there is 300. And lots to choose from.