Seeking Arrangements

[TedFerguson]

With the great cities for women, in Bogota, the issues are the altitude, pollution, and weather. Sao Paulo is the traffic, pollution, and IMO lack of things to do. Asuncion has a better climate (though it can be very hot), but the main knock on it is it boring, and it is a pain in the ass to get to. The good thing about being hard to get to though is there is not as much competition.

I've didn't have decent sex in the 3 weeks I was in Bogota. The women were sophisticated and intelligent yes, but they had no rhythm and I had to do most of the work. Even if I found one who knew how to move eventually, the weather is a nonstarter for me.

For now, I'm sticking to Medellin because it's working and the weather is decent. Even if many of the women are gold diggers, they're less expensive overall than those in Brazil, and like you pointed out, not all of them are purely money oriented. If it doesn't work out, I'll check out Paraguay.

I suspect Paraguay will be less comfortable than Colombia. There will be fewer healthy food options even if the lodging / gyms are decent. If I look around Asuncion on Instagram, I see a lot of the thinner, more European body types I found in Buenos Aires. Nice from the front, but not much posterior development. Cheaper, better attitudes probably, but not ideal for bedroom activities.

Also, besides escorts there's not much of an online game, and I'm very much an online type of guy. Maybe I haven't found the right website for Paraguay. Or maybe now that I know both Spanish and Portuguese, I need to start approaching girls outside the online world to expand the pool of options.

[WyattEarp]

To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either.

That seems to be a fair assessment. In the past, when I have had to work for several weeks in NYC and Sao Paulo. During some of my free daytime hours, I would head to Central Park in NYC and Ibirapuera Park in SP to get myself in a green space away from the urban onslaught.

I bring up NYC because its a good comparison. I believe Manhattan is actually more densely populated than the center of SP. Similar to NYC, Sao Paulo is very cosmopolitan.

Cane, you mentioned the only nice areas in Rio are along the Southern coast (accurate). There was a silly discussion on the Rio thread in the recent past about staying in Centro so one would be close to the mongering. Yikes! If you are in Rio for leisure / mongering and even business if you have a choice of lodging, you stay in the areas you mentioned as well as Copacabana Beach and Leme Beach.

[Nounce]

...Bogota and Sao Paulo are both great cities for women, and I still think as good as SP is for women, it is a shit hole. ....

Sao Paulo is probably the most diverse city I have been to. It's a world class city when you consider the infrastructure, the park, the restaurants, night life. I can write a lot about it. But I can see why some will think it is a shit hole which is only part of it. I look at individual areas and each has it's charm.

[Elvis 2008]

It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again!

Cane, I guess what I am trying to say is what cities would you go back to or stay in if you were not going to monger. Sao Paulo, Asuncion, and Bogota (which I may have gone to one other time after my initial visit) are cities I never would go back to except for the women.

There are places like CDMX, NYC, the Cancun area, and the Orlando area where you could be there a year and not see and do everything. The women are just a bonus to the fun that can be had.

Then you have the ones in the middle, and I would put Medellin, Rio, Monterrey, and Cartagena in that mix. After a few months unless you get into a routine or have the excitement of new women, those cities will get boring after a few months or a year.

Dramafree told me how great Monterrey was, and I went and quickly accumulated a stable of amazing harem of women from seeking, but I could just go there and pop in and out for three or four days and screw to my heart's content and head to my favorite places to eat and drink.

Bogota was really the first foreign city where I used seeking with success but it was a place I had to stay for a while. Like always, I was wanting to expand and improve my harem, and my plans always included seeing my regulars but looking for fresh meat. You can see all the fun stuff in Bogota IMO in a day or two IMO, so outside of the women, the city got boring to me.

The issue is which one do you go for: the boring, exciting, or semi-exciting cities. With me, I guess I sought out the best values, and those are likely to be found more in the boring cities. In my case, I wound up moving my gal from a boring city to a semi-exciting one and we vacation frequently in the exciting places. That was not my plan, but it just kind of happened that way.

[HumbleHal]

Just wondering what others have done to get around their blocking. Have tried using a different email account, no work. Wondering if they keep the block on my phone number? Or my IP address? Or my credit card address, name etc. How would I get back on?

[The Cane]

Time and again, people who had been to Brazil told me about Curtiba. There are a lot of German immigrants in Brazil, which means a lot of blondes, and they raved about the city. Unlike the mess of SP and semi-mess in Rio, it is well organized and I was told the trains run on time. I am just not sure if the mongering scene / hot women in Curtiba is big enough there but it could be.

I can 100% vouch for what you say about women from Curitiba. One of the most gorgeous girls I ever met in Brazil was from there. I actually met her at Scandallo, and she told me of how her family came to Brazil from Germany a couple of generations ago. She looked like she had just stepped off of the immigrant steamship herself all blonde and blue in her sexy dress. It was a memorable session that I wrote about many moons ago. It always cracks me up when guys who like white chicks balk at going to Brazil because they don't think there are enough of them there. Works for me haha!

Anyway, because of that encounter with her, I started to do some research on Curitiba. Besides, my favorite MMA fighter of all time Anderson Silva is from there LOL! I came away believing that although Curitiba appears to be a great place to live in Brazil, the mongering scene doesn't seem to be that strong compared to other Brazilian cities I have been to (Rio, Sampa, and Porto Alegre). Well, I guess you can't always have it all! Another nice city that I learned about is Vitoria. But again, I don't think the mongering action there is that strong.

It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again!

[Elvis 2008]

JI don't think I'll make it to CDMX. I'm having a hard time finding the optics I like there, even girls with acceptable bodies have me going hmm at their faces. Although the escorts from LaBoutique meet that criteria, probably an uphill battle converting those to SBs. The timezone also isn't great for giving me enough time to work out in the morning. I suspect the food will be better, weather sunnier, and perhaps more importantly, the variety of people and overall higher human development of a big city will grow me as a person more than a place like Medellin.

Ted, you are in the tourist season in Medellin: https://weatherspark.com/y/22535/Ave...bia-Year-Round.

And it lasts until mid-March so I agree with Nounce you should hang there. Issue with Medellin IMO was not the looks but the character of the women, a lot of gold diggers. But as you saw, there are women who come to Medellin from other places that do not have that attitude. I met a physical therapy student there who was wife material, and yeah, the food was rarely exceptional.

You will paying much more for a sugar baby in CDMX and the rainy season in Medellin and CDMX overlap. It is a tad warmer in Medellin than CDMX but the temps in both are pretty much the same year around. What varies is the rain and cloud cover which are much higher in the fall in both.

Bogota and Sao Paulo are both great cities for women, and I still think as good as SP is for women, it is a shit hole. Rio is nicer but I never thought of it as safe. Time and again, people who had been to Brazil told me about Curtiba. There are a lot of German immigrants in Brazil, which means a lot of blondes, and they raved about the city. Unlike the mess of SP and semi-mess in Rio, it is well organized and I was told the trains run on time. I am just not sure if the mongering scene / hot women in Curtiba is big enough there but it could be. Thing is the better times to visit these Brazilian cities is when the weather in Medellin gets worse.

I thought Cartagena would be sunny year around, and I was wrong. In the fall, it rains so badly in the fall that the flooding locked my gal in for two days. And now the weather is like I always pictured it, hot and dry.

With the great cities for women, in Bogota, the issues are the altitude, pollution, and weather. Sao Paulo is the traffic, pollution, and IMO lack of things to do. Asuncion has a better climate (though it can be very hot), but the main knock on it is it boring, and it is a pain in the ass to get to. The good thing about being hard to get to though is there is not as much competition.

With Paraguay, I wish I had been more forward. It is a poor country and the women were working for peanuts. I should have been more aggressive about just talking to lay women about being a sugar baby, but I was there before I knew what one was.

You know those beer promotions and you have like a few Bud Light gals or something like that. In Paraguay, the women were so cheap to hire there would be like thirty women hawking stuff. I did not approach said women and like I said, I wish I would have.

[AsianPursuits]

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.

Having been long term married and started this cheating game only 5 years into marriage I've managed to keep up the facade for 20+ years.

I too do the same and to be honest it is so ingrained as habit. I know words to use, how much detail to give without creating problems for later. I have multiple profiels on my travel plans and share 'openly' details.

One technique I always, always use is to invite my life partner on every trip. So if I am planning a SB escape to a city, I will put the dates on the calendar and invite my life partner and kids in parallel to creating the itinerary with the SB. In the 20 years of doing this I've never had anyone take up the offer. The few times where I have had people join me on legitimate business trips I've made sure it wasn't that much fun.

Another habit I have is not keeping condoms after an adventure. I always toss everything and rarely will bring home hotel paraphernalia.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.

Glad to here you have plowed this ground before. Yeah we agreed she's going to be easy if I ask her to leave but who knows. But it's a sweet situation because I own it free and clear. Market price for rent is $2500/ month. So I can look at it one of a few ways. At one end it's paid for so it's completely free to let her stay there. At the other end I am forgoing $2500 a month so that's my cost. I choose to look at it in the middle. The cost of capital of what I actually invested in buying and upgrading. Looking at it this middle ground way she is getting a 2500 value and I am paying 1400 for the privilege of having her my girl. So major win win. If we had a falling out I'the let her stay for $1400 say and she had a good job. But right now we are stronger than ever at a year in!

Haha yeah doubt we were both on cloud nine after helicopter and fucking hit capped the experience. It was def top tier. 😋.

[Luminous]

True. But having a plan is better than no plan.

And the Chinese saying "No war is won by the plan or without a plan".

But remember what Iron Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth! LMAO LOLOLOL!

[Ucgdx]

An option is if she stops paying, terminate the lease and pay the termination fees. Money is temporary and assuming you live in US, basic money is not hard to make.

Yeah, my backup plan is:

1) Ask what happened.

2) If no response, tell her I'm assuming she moved out, so I'm scheduling a locksmith to come change the locks.

3) If no response, come over with the locksmith.

4) Terminate the lease with a fee only after she's moved out. I don't want to get the landlord involved in the mess.

Hope I can stick to it if I get punched in the face, financially. It's not a big deal, under 2 k a month, I just don't want to be taken advantage of.

[Nounce]

...Now the real dilemma. Should I alternate 1 month in Brazil and 1 in Colombia throughout the year, with SBs in both locations, or should I commit to Brazil? Brazilian...

I think you are just scratching the surface in Colombia based on my experience. It seems you have positive experience so why not stay longer and see how much better it gets and make your own decision. I started off from SA before FB when there were a lot of students going on SA experimenting. I still keep in touch with two that were students who was planning to become medical doctor when I met them. They eventually get info medical school but are not studying to become doctor, I guess due to competition is hard. Stay longer, at least for the first time, so you have time to see if you can upgrade, and the girls may consider you more permanent. The main drawback with more educated girls is they have a busy schedule which affect their availability.

[The Cane]

A boxer doesn't get into a fight assuming he will never get punched, in fact he goes in with a plan of how to handle the punches so he is never surprised.

But remember what Iron Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth! LMAO LOLOLOL!

[Luminous]

An option is if she stops paying, terminate the lease and pay the termination fees. Money is temporary and assuming you live in US, basic money is not hard to make.

My rule is try to not get into long term commitments, but if you do, assume the worst case scenario and don't be pissed when it happens.

A boxer doesn't get into a fight assuming he will never get punched, in fact he goes in with a plan of how to handle the punches so he is never surprised. I have been caught without a plan and paid the emotional price and dollars for it.

Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.

[Ucgdx]

Been trying to decide whether to write this up or not because it probably just sounds like gloating and in some ways it is. But I love YOUR stories and live vicariously through them. I read Medellin and So Paulo and a few other forums just because I love this shit. I love reading a good field report. And who else am I going to spill my guts to besides you guys! So here goes.
...
So it was a packed 3. 5 days but we made it count. Epic car. Parasailing. Helicopter ride. Just a dream really. As I say I wasn't counting pennies this trip but as you see above some of these things are affordable if you save up and only do them once. I would def do both parasailing and heli again in a heartbeat. And oh have epic sex also. 😋. Thanks for tolerating my rambling. Hope some of u enjoyed it!

Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.