Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

Good job UCG! That is my kind of gal. And you are fishing in California? Is that right?

[Elvis 2008]

The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

Obviously, because she liked his company and trusted his judgement. I have had SBs where I talked to them about their BFs all the time. Hell, with some, I would expect their wanting me to meet their BF and see if I approved. That is the daddy part of being a sugar daddy.

I was with a married SB and listened to her marital problems. Her husband would cum in < 20 seconds. She was a stunner, and I thought about pursuing more than a sugar relationship with her, but it became obvious to me that she loved him but was not sexually satisfied and so I was cool with just being her SD.

With another, she would hang out with these losers and I would listen to her talk about them. Thing is she was less good in bed when she was with them because she was not as horny, but I chastised her not on that but dating all these losers. She had super model type looks and still gave the best head I have ever gotten. Still, when she found the right guy, I kind of felt guilty seeing her and eventually broke it off. The whole point of being a SD is really doing what is best for your SB and having more than just a sexual relationship with them.

So when Luminous says his gal wanted to meet with him and not have sex, that tells me he is doing it right. He has more than just a P4 P relationship with his gal.

[Luminous]

Well, sometimes you develop a connection with a person. I was not in love with her but I liked her as a person and I think she did too. I didn't think she was trying to squeeze a dinner out of me. It's like when you go to different city and meet an old friend, you go out for dinner, simple as that.

I am not saying I have not been taken advantage off, this just wasn't one of those.

The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

[AmericanPi]

So true. I have SB in Medellin, few months back she found a boyfriend and told me she would love to have dinner with me but will bring her boyfriend too and no sex. I didn't make it to Medellin any so that never happened. 6 months later when I was texting her a few days back, she still has the boyfriend but is totally game to sleep with me.

The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

[AmericanPi]

That is a fine piece of tang.

Good on you my man. Good on you. Living your life to the fullest.

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

[Ucgdx]

... However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.
I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site.

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

[Luminous]

So true. I have SB in Medellin, few months back she found a boyfriend and told me she would love to have dinner with me but will bring her boyfriend too and no sex. I didn't make it to Medellin any so that never happened. 6 months later when I was texting her a few days back, she still has the boyfriend but is totally game to sleep with me.

Don't write her off at all. Just keep a friendly tone. She will be back at the second time she feels shunned by her husband. I have three direct experiences.

A) This first girl even invited me to her wedding and I took my then current GF with me. I told GF that this girl was an ex-employee. 6 months later I get a call from the newly married girl, now with new bolt-ONS. Wanted to meet for coffee at my place as didn't want to be seen outside, had coffee then asked ot go to toiles but insisted on using my ensuite toiler so I followed her to the bedroom.

B) This next one got into a marriage and continued seeing me after abiour3 months when she realised the marriage wasn't going to work.

C) Just last Tuesday! I was screwing some sugar from 2018. She got married 2019, had a child 2020. She's screwing me again in 2022.

So for all these girls, they often return.

[AsianPursuits]

This girl texted me today that she got married and she can longer fuck me.

Sad but weirdly happy for her. No idea why.

We stay in touch but I got to be very discrete. Sex is off the table and she says money is off the table as well.

Experiencing this phase of sugar dating for first time.

Don't write her off at all. Just keep a friendly tone. She will be back at the second time she feels shunned by her husband. I have three direct experiences.

A) This first girl even invited me to her wedding and I took my then current GF with me. I told GF that this girl was an ex-employee. 6 months later I get a call from the newly married girl, now with new bolt-ONS. Wanted to meet for coffee at my place as didn't want to be seen outside, had coffee then asked ot go to toiles but insisted on using my ensuite toiler so I followed her to the bedroom.

B) This next one got into a marriage and continued seeing me after abiour3 months when she realised the marriage wasn't going to work.

C) Just last Tuesday! I was screwing some sugar from 2018. She got married 2019, had a child 2020. She's screwing me again in 2022.

So for all these girls, they often return.

[Luminous]

Great insight. I had given up on SA, everyone in South Florida was asking 400-500 and under 24 was even higher. Maybe it just takes time and patience. Will try it again.

It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.

[KeviKev68]

It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.

I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site. My profile is pretty popular I used a pic of myself dancing in Buenos Aires, Argentina. At first I was surprised at the interest because in the hobby I am labeled as a "AA" so, it's difficult to get any action there.

When I get a girls number I check to see if it's an app number or an iPhone number (can't differentiate Android from app) So. If's it's blue I usually have more success. I either meet at Starbucks or at the mall when I am in San Diego. I like to meet first because it weeds out the the escorts (they don't meet for free) and am able to get a feel of their sexuality. For the most part, the girls I meet are highly intelligent but are somewhat short on funds.

In the early years on the site PPM was not used. It was based on monthly but they have phased that out along with your income. Having mongered for over 20 years It took a lot of hard work to finesse an Arrangement. You guys know how American women are. They conflicted with the money for sex thing. I will not take women on dates like I am actually dating them. I am pretty direct with them I like intimacy. When they say they don't want something transactional, I ask if they would feel better if I didn't pay them. That usually does the trick.

I don't meet at my place always a hotel. I like using UBER or Lyft it's great. My PPM ranges from $150- $500. I rarely pay the $500 it's number they through out. I usually pay $300 for bareback and it's totally GFE. The college girls some white but mostly Latinas like to swallow and MSOG.

When I am in San Diego it's much higher quality there and more women by far. The price structure is the same $300 + or less. The women in San Diego are so hot. Anywhere you go in warm month the women wear short shorts. I just happened to meet a 22 Blasian girl that had the sexiest legs with her butt hanging out. No matter who I meet in SD they almost always come like that. A.

After talking a bit I take them over to Victoria's Secret and they send videos of themselves in outfits. I pick something and we are off to the hotel. It's so awesome there I can't remember the last time I went to Tijuana. It's PSE on steroids. I can post pics if some of you are interested.

For those of you who haven't tried SA, I highly recommend it. I ask these young ladies when I meet them about dating older guys. Almost all of them say they have been dating older guys when they were in high school. A few of them before that. Most of them saying that they dated their teachers. It's not all about looks!

[ManWithMotive]

I have started using SA for over last one year and since I am based in Doha currently did not have much success. Came across only hookers or scammers and did not really materialize anything except for a below average experience with a Asian woman (as it turned out later) and a nice encounter with Indian girl back in Mumbai while travelling.

So I was in touch with this girl over SA for last five months who travels between Doha and other places over chat who stayed a block away from my office. I was had my doubt to ahead with a meet and she was travelling so it took some time. Long story short finally met this girl last weekend and it turn out yo be best find for me over last 4 years my mongering times.

She is a Argentine, grew up in US and Spain, well conversant in 4 languages and travelled across places. Had a good time chilling out and then the sex was amazing. Never had this in my life so far.

Wondering why I was spending money over hookers and call girls for mechanical, meaningless sex for so long.

She is keeper and this SA does works but requires patience.

Cheers,

Manwithmotive.

[LshRoomer]

LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.

This was awesome and super funny. If you find a 9 that's at 2 or 3 crazy, it's a tranny. LOL.

Your looks are mostly meaningless to a woman that simply wants to extract cash from you. That's mostly prostitutes and strippers without a doubt.

02.

[AmericanPi]

That was a pretty funny video. I like Dana.

LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.

[Elvis 2008]

My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here.

They are. It is just CDMX has like 3 X as many people as Bogota and 8 X as many as Medellin, so you will see more hotties percentage wise in Colombia, but there are probably more overall in CDMX.

Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy.

Willing to please? This reminds of like 30 or 40 years ago when guys wanted the Asian woman who supposedly lived to please and care for their man. Now there are fewer Asian women, and there is this interesting Netflix show called Love is Blind and then did a season in Japan. There was this Japanese hottie who was underwhelmed by the shape her man was in when she first saw him. In order for her to go through with the marriage, she put him through a physical boot camp and to his credit, the guy did as he was told, and they got married. Still, that notion of the docile compliant Asian woman was dead, and we are now in the age of the Asian Dragon ladies.

OTOH, I was talking to my Spanish teacher in Mexico about my GF and all she does, and she nodded her head and said, "Yes, that is what Latin women do. " And I was like, "Well, maybe not all Latin women. ", and I was thinking which one of those countries were the best care takers.

Ted, I agree with you and would put the Argentines on the low end of the caretaker spectrum. Almost every woman I met was almost American like in their desire to have sex in a transactional way. I felt nothing from them in regards to care taking.

Sadly, I never got that close to a Brazilian woman. Yes, they were intimate and open in the bedroom. In fact, I think it would be very much like them to have great sex with you and tell them you are the best lover they have ever had one night and say the same thing to a guy they slept with the night later. Thing is with a Brazilian woman they would really mean it. But I have not seen them in caretaker mode so I do not know where they rate. I would bet they rate high but I do not know.

My second to the bottom would be Venezuela. I had an ex-fiance of this type and saw her friends and family in action. They were not as uppity as the Argentines and sexually they are good, but I never saw anyone of them really do the caretaker thing for their man. Yeah, many are smart and highly educated, and that maybe is the problem. Instead of seeing themselves as someone who supports their man, they see themselves as equals and ask, what care taking are you doing for me?

I think most guys here are missing out if they are not with a Paraguayan. They are often really hot and open sexually. Yeah, they put themselves at a bit of a distance but not like the sterile Argentines, and they are great care takers. If you give a Paraguayan woman an orgasm, she will clean your whole damned house. It is too bad the country is so damned hard to get to.

Peruvians have all the great qualities of the caretaker Latina women. Like I said, the issue with them is looks. There just are not many Peruvian beauties.

With Mexican women, they have what I have described and DF agrees with is the Mexican wall. It is almost like Mexican women have this wall where they do not want to allow you in. I think it is because they so want to love everyone and are afraid of not being loved back or mistreated. I think Mexican women are under rated sexually but the real under rating comes in their care taking role. Once I set the limit of caring at a sugar relationship with its appropriate boundaries, the Mexican women showed me their great care taking roles. With the women I traveled with, they cooked for me without my asking, cleaned our place every day and happily did everything I asked for. I was curious what these women would do for a husband or BF they were in love with. I would bet they spoil them silly.

When I was in the P4 P world in Colombia, the women were just as distant as the Argentines, and I really had no desire to return, but a friend went on and on about it. I then read Routard's reviews of Colombia and wondered if I were missing something. Certainly not all women possess the caretaking gene I have seen, but it is there. Not only with my current gal, but there were two others I got to know and was very intimate with before her. No, the Colombian women are not as sexually skilled as the Brazilians. They are not as sophisticated as the Argentines or Vennies. Looks wise, IMO, they are below Brazil and even with Paraguay and Venezuela. But sexually, I have never had a Colombian woman who cares about me turn me down even if they are asleep at 4 AM. In fact, everyone of them I have really gotten to know has been hornier than me. It is that care taking nature that is what sets them apart. There is no holding back, no wall like the Mexicans. It is almost like the good Colombian women I have met are looking to do things to please you and to me, that is what makes them special. They are typically happy and desperately want you to be.

I suspect there's more cultural overlap with the girls in CDMX, who appear to be more intelligent and refined. The way they talk on WhatsApp suggests they're almost aggressive. I told one girl I didn't know when I was in town, and she replies a few days later with "entonces? She was quite upset I didn't have answer for her yet.

Well, yes, CDMX is like NYC in that there is a do not waste my time big city mindset.

Mexico appears to be a place where you sacrifice optics for personality.

Nah, in the Latin world, CDMX is second IMO only to Sao Paulo when it comes to number of tens.

[Elvis 2008]

I think what The Cane is saying is that with certain women the more money we have the better looking we get. LOL.

LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.