Seeking Arrangements

[The Cane]

Time and again, people who had been to Brazil told me about Curtiba. There are a lot of German immigrants in Brazil, which means a lot of blondes, and they raved about the city. Unlike the mess of SP and semi-mess in Rio, it is well organized and I was told the trains run on time. I am just not sure if the mongering scene / hot women in Curtiba is big enough there but it could be.

I can 100% vouch for what you say about women from Curitiba. One of the most gorgeous girls I ever met in Brazil was from there. I actually met her at Scandallo, and she told me of how her family came to Brazil from Germany a couple of generations ago. She looked like she had just stepped off of the immigrant steamship herself all blonde and blue in her sexy dress. It was a memorable session that I wrote about many moons ago. It always cracks me up when guys who like white chicks balk at going to Brazil because they don't think there are enough of them there. Works for me haha!

Anyway, because of that encounter with her, I started to do some research on Curitiba. Besides, my favorite MMA fighter of all time Anderson Silva is from there LOL! I came away believing that although Curitiba appears to be a great place to live in Brazil, the mongering scene doesn't seem to be that strong compared to other Brazilian cities I have been to (Rio, Sampa, and Porto Alegre). Well, I guess you can't always have it all! Another nice city that I learned about is Vitoria. But again, I don't think the mongering action there is that strong.

It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again!

[Elvis 2008]

JI don't think I'll make it to CDMX. I'm having a hard time finding the optics I like there, even girls with acceptable bodies have me going hmm at their faces. Although the escorts from LaBoutique meet that criteria, probably an uphill battle converting those to SBs. The timezone also isn't great for giving me enough time to work out in the morning. I suspect the food will be better, weather sunnier, and perhaps more importantly, the variety of people and overall higher human development of a big city will grow me as a person more than a place like Medellin.

Ted, you are in the tourist season in Medellin: https://weatherspark.com/y/22535/Ave...bia-Year-Round.

And it lasts until mid-March so I agree with Nounce you should hang there. Issue with Medellin IMO was not the looks but the character of the women, a lot of gold diggers. But as you saw, there are women who come to Medellin from other places that do not have that attitude. I met a physical therapy student there who was wife material, and yeah, the food was rarely exceptional.

You will paying much more for a sugar baby in CDMX and the rainy season in Medellin and CDMX overlap. It is a tad warmer in Medellin than CDMX but the temps in both are pretty much the same year around. What varies is the rain and cloud cover which are much higher in the fall in both.

Bogota and Sao Paulo are both great cities for women, and I still think as good as SP is for women, it is a shit hole. Rio is nicer but I never thought of it as safe. Time and again, people who had been to Brazil told me about Curtiba. There are a lot of German immigrants in Brazil, which means a lot of blondes, and they raved about the city. Unlike the mess of SP and semi-mess in Rio, it is well organized and I was told the trains run on time. I am just not sure if the mongering scene / hot women in Curtiba is big enough there but it could be. Thing is the better times to visit these Brazilian cities is when the weather in Medellin gets worse.

I thought Cartagena would be sunny year around, and I was wrong. In the fall, it rains so badly in the fall that the flooding locked my gal in for two days. And now the weather is like I always pictured it, hot and dry.

With the great cities for women, in Bogota, the issues are the altitude, pollution, and weather. Sao Paulo is the traffic, pollution, and IMO lack of things to do. Asuncion has a better climate (though it can be very hot), but the main knock on it is it boring, and it is a pain in the ass to get to. The good thing about being hard to get to though is there is not as much competition.

With Paraguay, I wish I had been more forward. It is a poor country and the women were working for peanuts. I should have been more aggressive about just talking to lay women about being a sugar baby, but I was there before I knew what one was.

You know those beer promotions and you have like a few Bud Light gals or something like that. In Paraguay, the women were so cheap to hire there would be like thirty women hawking stuff. I did not approach said women and like I said, I wish I would have.

[AsianPursuits]

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.

Having been long term married and started this cheating game only 5 years into marriage I've managed to keep up the facade for 20+ years.

I too do the same and to be honest it is so ingrained as habit. I know words to use, how much detail to give without creating problems for later. I have multiple profiels on my travel plans and share 'openly' details.

One technique I always, always use is to invite my life partner on every trip. So if I am planning a SB escape to a city, I will put the dates on the calendar and invite my life partner and kids in parallel to creating the itinerary with the SB. In the 20 years of doing this I've never had anyone take up the offer. The few times where I have had people join me on legitimate business trips I've made sure it wasn't that much fun.

Another habit I have is not keeping condoms after an adventure. I always toss everything and rarely will bring home hotel paraphernalia.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.

Glad to here you have plowed this ground before. Yeah we agreed she's going to be easy if I ask her to leave but who knows. But it's a sweet situation because I own it free and clear. Market price for rent is $2500/ month. So I can look at it one of a few ways. At one end it's paid for so it's completely free to let her stay there. At the other end I am forgoing $2500 a month so that's my cost. I choose to look at it in the middle. The cost of capital of what I actually invested in buying and upgrading. Looking at it this middle ground way she is getting a 2500 value and I am paying 1400 for the privilege of having her my girl. So major win win. If we had a falling out I'the let her stay for $1400 say and she had a good job. But right now we are stronger than ever at a year in!

Haha yeah doubt we were both on cloud nine after helicopter and fucking hit capped the experience. It was def top tier. 😋.

[Luminous]

True. But having a plan is better than no plan.

And the Chinese saying "No war is won by the plan or without a plan".

But remember what Iron Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth! LMAO LOLOLOL!

[Ucgdx]

An option is if she stops paying, terminate the lease and pay the termination fees. Money is temporary and assuming you live in US, basic money is not hard to make.

Yeah, my backup plan is:

1) Ask what happened.

2) If no response, tell her I'm assuming she moved out, so I'm scheduling a locksmith to come change the locks.

3) If no response, come over with the locksmith.

4) Terminate the lease with a fee only after she's moved out. I don't want to get the landlord involved in the mess.

Hope I can stick to it if I get punched in the face, financially. It's not a big deal, under 2 k a month, I just don't want to be taken advantage of.

[Nounce]

...Now the real dilemma. Should I alternate 1 month in Brazil and 1 in Colombia throughout the year, with SBs in both locations, or should I commit to Brazil? Brazilian...

I think you are just scratching the surface in Colombia based on my experience. It seems you have positive experience so why not stay longer and see how much better it gets and make your own decision. I started off from SA before FB when there were a lot of students going on SA experimenting. I still keep in touch with two that were students who was planning to become medical doctor when I met them. They eventually get info medical school but are not studying to become doctor, I guess due to competition is hard. Stay longer, at least for the first time, so you have time to see if you can upgrade, and the girls may consider you more permanent. The main drawback with more educated girls is they have a busy schedule which affect their availability.

[The Cane]

A boxer doesn't get into a fight assuming he will never get punched, in fact he goes in with a plan of how to handle the punches so he is never surprised.

But remember what Iron Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth! LMAO LOLOLOL!

[Luminous]

An option is if she stops paying, terminate the lease and pay the termination fees. Money is temporary and assuming you live in US, basic money is not hard to make.

My rule is try to not get into long term commitments, but if you do, assume the worst case scenario and don't be pissed when it happens.

A boxer doesn't get into a fight assuming he will never get punched, in fact he goes in with a plan of how to handle the punches so he is never surprised. I have been caught without a plan and paid the emotional price and dollars for it.

Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.

[Ucgdx]

Been trying to decide whether to write this up or not because it probably just sounds like gloating and in some ways it is. But I love YOUR stories and live vicariously through them. I read Medellin and So Paulo and a few other forums just because I love this shit. I love reading a good field report. And who else am I going to spill my guts to besides you guys! So here goes.
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So it was a packed 3. 5 days but we made it count. Epic car. Parasailing. Helicopter ride. Just a dream really. As I say I wasn't counting pennies this trip but as you see above some of these things are affordable if you save up and only do them once. I would def do both parasailing and heli again in a heartbeat. And oh have epic sex also. 😋. Thanks for tolerating my rambling. Hope some of u enjoyed it!

Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.

[TedFerguson]

Just finished my first week in Medellin and I'm comfortable to say Colombia can work for sugar dating. I did some things differently from the previous trip:

- Staying in Laureles, closer to the girls, which does indeed improve their punctuality. Laureles is more walkable and fewer of the (often shitty) American tourists who come here, although the buildings are not as well constructed than Poblado (bring earplugs).

- Focusing on quality over quantity. College girls with gym bodies, as opposed to the inexpensive, marginally employed country girls which make up much of the SA (and FB) scene here.

- Doing video calls to weed out the ones which are unsuitable for a longer-term relationship, flaky, boring, or purely interested in money. (Lots of the latter.).

In the first week this yielded a 20 year old 8. 5, part-time model with a great body, solid communication and ambition / intelligence. Brazilian asses spoil you, as I remember from my time in Argentina looking down at girls' asses and thinking "this doesn't look right". Not a problem in Colombia. Everything looks right from the back (albeit faces could improve). I could easily see this girl 3 x / week and live here in the sunshine, eating cheap but excellent food, going to bed early and not feeling an ounce of stress. *.

I find it amazing how easy it is to be happy here living on so little money. If I ever lost my job and lacked sufficient wealth, Medellin would be the top of my list. Start every day with eating out for breakfast, 90 minutes at the gym for both weights and cardio, relaxing a bit before lunch with a SB, back to my place for two rounds, and ending the day reading or video games after she leaves. I can't think of a way to improve on that right now, but open to suggestions.

I don't think I'll make it to CDMX. I'm having a hard time finding the optics I like there, even girls with acceptable bodies have me going hmm at their faces. Although the escorts from LaBoutique meet that criteria, probably an uphill battle converting those to SBs. The timezone also isn't great for giving me enough time to work out in the morning. I suspect the food will be better, weather sunnier, and perhaps more importantly, the variety of people and overall higher human development of a big city will grow me as a person more than a place like Medellin.

Now the real dilemma. Should I alternate 1 month in Brazil and 1 in Colombia throughout the year, with SBs in both locations, or should I commit to Brazil? Brazilian women have superb optics and better compatibility with my personality. The challenge is not staying more than 6 months there, which I've realized I could do by flying to Asuncion, Paraguay every other week for the work week. While a crap ton of flying (4 x2 h flights / month), this means I can spend every weekend in Brazil for 10 months a year (without overstaying visa or running into tax issues). Plus 1 month of travel for work, and 1 month of travel outside Brazil for vacation and that's a whole year. So there's the dilemma, commit to Brazilian booty (with a taste of Paraguayan) or make some time for Colombians and their sexual intensity?

[Elvis 2008]

Totally agree with you. My only small caveat is to be prepared if you do get caught. I have several friends that thought they'd never get caught and when they did get caught, they were totally unprepared for it. For me, I accept it's possible (and maybe even likely) that I'll get caught. But I pretty much know what I will do, and how I will live, in case I am caught.

Good point, MW. With regards to why guys lose their jobs, my guess is because the emotionally devastating aspect of divorce takes its toll on them in the work place, and they do not perform as well.

After spending the money necessary to take care of the family, I spent money on my sugar babies, but I was shocked to learn that half the money I spent on them was considered stealing from my family. In Texas, they call it fraud against the community. That my wife was sitting on her ass and not working was not considered fraud. Amazingly, she got a job the day she filed for divorce though. I know guys will not do this, but it would have been better to have divorced before seeing other women. For all the belly aching and bitching about cheating though, there is a formula that most judges at least in Texas follow. The formula is 6% goes to the lawyers, and the man and woman split things 50-50 after the lawyers get their cut. If the man is cheating, the split goes 55 to the woman and 45 to the man.

If you are the bread winner, the lawyers try to hoist both lawyer's fees on you. Nope, she pays her lawyer out of her stash not yours, and this is probably the most important fact here for guys to know. After the ex was getting a $1000 bill every time she cried to her lawyer, she was begging to negotiate.

Like everything legal, it is best if you completely take emotions and "justice" out of the equation and just focus on the financial like lawyers do, but that is easier said than done. The court is literally determining your worth as a father and person.

[Steve 9696]

Hows NYC for SA? It seems like competition isn't as high for women as prostitution is illegal so men are willing to pay more, plus people also make a retarded amount of money here in NYC. Also hot profiles but not as hot as other European cities I am glancing at.

Sorry my experience is pre-COVID there but what I found was mostly hideously expensive girls but a few gems to be found. Tried out things with 4 girls. This was early in my journey.

1 Viet mix. College girl. Unbelievably naive and she loved every minute of it. She's never had real DATY before! It was Amazing. A true crush.

2 Chinese with long blond hair. Super nice time. Dinner drinks and sex. Quality.

3 35 year old first timer. Did not work out. But would have now that I am a experienced. But I was a newbie.

4 Peruvian. Straight up pro. Pretty meh experience.

Honestly going 2. 5 for 4 in my early days was pretty good. And the Viet college girl was a life experience I'the never trade. She was just so smitten with the whole idea of a sugar date and a nice restaurant and wow I still think about her.

So I would think you could find some gems. But lots and lots of work. Good luck!

[DigLicker]

Hows NYC for SA? It seems like competition isn't as high for women as prostitution is illegal so men are willing to pay more, plus people also make a retarded amount of money here in NYC. Also hot profiles but not as hot as other European cities I am glancing at.

[Midwestern]

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Totally agree with you. My only small caveat is to be prepared if you do get caught. I have several friends that thought they'd never get caught and when they did get caught, they were totally unprepared for it. For me, I accept it's possible (and maybe even likely) that I'll get caught. But I pretty much know what I will do, and how I will live, in case I am caught.

Many years ago, I had a friend who was mongering all the time. He was happily married and loved his kids. And so I asked him, "What if your wife finds out?" he then just asked me, "What if YOUR wife finds out?" I simply said that I was prepared for that to happen, and that we cannot do the crime unless we can do the time. " he just looked at me in shock and disbelief. He said he could NEVER lose his family, and so his wife finding out would never be a possibility. But he didn't even hide his mongering that well. He was so open about it. Anyway, he got caught. It was a huge scandal because he was always viewed as the perfect loving and caring husband and father. He also somehow lost his job too. I know someone else that lost his job after he got caught. I'm not sure why these guys lost their jobs, but I do know that they were unprepared for getting caught, and that probably played some role.