Seeking Arrangements

[Ggekko2009]

My initial impression of Seeking experience in Manila had been a big disappointment. From what I see, most of the photos that you get from their profiles are either heavily touched up or they simply had too much Jollibees (their equivalent of McD) over the years. In another word, fat and worse ugly. Anyway not much to report about yet, but my buddy who is currently with me here experienced huge disappointment. I felt bad since I have touted so much of my good experience of using SA in Colombia. So an advice, do a video chat with them before even getting them to come over to see you.

A few pricing intel for the Manila market.

Most SBs would ask for no less than 10 K ppm, but the higher end would only accept for 15 K and above. I had some who are willing to accept 8 K but not for overnight stay but those are usually not as "good" looking. But then again, take those photos on the site with a grain of salt. This seemed to be a prevalent problem at least for Manila. Or maybe I just have a shift in my taste of women these days.

[MiamiBoy1]

CDMX, so why take sand to the beach.

Exactly.

Either fly CDMX SB to Cancun, or Bogota / Medellin SB to Cartagena / Santa Marta. Domestic flights in both countries are dirt cheap and there will be no issues with immigration, plus you will not be paying outrages Cancun or Cartagena rates, both cities are major tourist destinations.

Flying Colombian girl to CDMX makes zero sense to me, unless she is your real GF.

[DramaFree11]

Great point about bringing a Colombian girl to Mexico alone, I'll make sure to remember that when vacationing with my future Colombian SB.

I'm thinking of 2 weeks in the Cartagena area mid-December to check it out. If I like it, I can base myself in Panama to ensure no issues with income taxation and take frequent trips to Colombia. Panama City seems to be reasonably developed, comfortable and well connected to Colombia proper (as well as other airports). The offerings on Seeking appear to be acceptable, mostly WG types, which I hope to confirm after Cartagena. If other folks have experiences there, I'the be curious.

Since I've made a few contacts in CDMX, I'll give it a week just to try it out since everyone's been raving about it and I've found maybe 2-3 solid 8's there in the last few weeks. And of course to try out the food.

As much as I try and avoid Colombian Chicks, occasionally a one slips by my extensive screening process. There are a lot Colombian chicks in.

CDMX, so why take sand to the beach.

[TedFerguson]

If the gal you want to fly in from Colombia is not an experienced travel, and you may want to do this even if she is, I recommend you fly to Colombia and go with her the first time. The Mexicans want people who are going to spend money so if your gal is solo and from Colombia, she better have at least $400 in cash and a hotel reservation. Otherwise, they are going to assume she is a WG and deny her entry.

Great point about bringing a Colombian girl to Mexico alone, I'll make sure to remember that when vacationing with my future Colombian SB.

I'm thinking of 2 weeks in the Cartagena area mid-December to check it out. If I like it, I can base myself in Panama to ensure no issues with income taxation and take frequent trips to Colombia. Panama City seems to be reasonably developed, comfortable and well connected to Colombia proper (as well as other airports). The offerings on Seeking appear to be acceptable, mostly WG types, which I hope to confirm after Cartagena. If other folks have experiences there, I'the be curious.

Since I've made a few contacts in CDMX, I'll give it a week just to try it out since everyone's been raving about it and I've found maybe 2-3 solid 8's there in the last few weeks. And of course to try out the food.

[Ggekko2009]

Anyone knows the ppm price range for SB in Manila?

[Steve 9696]

Anyone run into a fake that had a verified profile? I'm wondering if it's possible, a girl I spoke to said she had to submit additional photos and an ID to get verified, she is legit I know that much and open to video call. But wondering if anyone had such an experience because some of these verified profiles sure seem sketchy to me even when taking the convo offline.

Verified means nothing. I ignore it. I guess it means they are a real person and not a guy in his moms basement. But it doesn't mean they won't try to scam you out of $50 or ghost you at meetup or other sins. Just ignore it. It doesn't add value.

[Elvis 2008]

I didn't really consider the coast until you mentioned it, but looking on Seeking there are solid options in Cartagena. Barranquilla and Cartagena together have a metro area size to Medellin, and maybe less overrun by tourists. Cartagena seems better from a Seeking perspective, but they're close so can probably experience both with a short car ride. Interestingly, the apartments appear to be much better constructed than in Medellin, which was one thing I disliked there (the noise in the apartment), and there appear to be acceptable food options too.

If you try it, I would be curious to know how it goes. The hotels in Barranquilla were 1/3 the price of Cartagena and the women expected much less. I saw a number of 10's just hanging in a hotel lobby in Barranquilla but it is a boring city that tourists typically do not go to. Cartagena has much more to do, and I have an apartment there. I have not seen many beauties there but I was eating at a Crepes and Waffles in the Caribe Plaza mall. The women were dressed in the corporate getups but I noticed that one of the black waitresses had a thin hot body and not with the classic huge booty but a thin one. And I then counted four more like her. One guy here did something smart and had a female friend ask women like these waitresses if they wanted to hang out and for how much. I could see someone cleaning up on this.

There may still be a black or really caramel girl on seeking who goes by Mia in Barranquilla. She is very hot, a great kisser, and when in doggie, slams her butt into your junior with unreal speed. This is how Ginger Lynn in the porno world used to do it. One night, she brought out her hot GF and offered up a 3 some but I was spent. Of course, in hindsight, I am kicking myself for declining it.

For Mexico, I've found some decent SA options in CDMX and hoping to develop some in Cancun. I don't need a 10, rather would be happy with a reliable 8 or 9. Unfortunately many of the girls in Cancun appear to be Argentinian and my current bias is to avoid the rather mercenary behavior I've experienced in Buenos Aires. As you suggest, Cancun seems best with a Colombian partner and even better if you can fly in one of her friends / family members so she doesn't get bored.

The women who live in Cancun want USA rates. It is best to fly in Mexican women from CDMX or other Mexican city if you want to play in Cancun so you do not have to deal with customs. If the gal you want to fly in from Colombia is not an experienced travel, and you may want to do this even if she is, I recommend you fly to Colombia and go with her the first time. The Mexicans want people who are going to spend money so if your gal is solo and from Colombia, she better have at least $400 in cash and a hotel reservation. Otherwise, they are going to assume she is a WG and deny her entry.

[Elvis 2008]

The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.

Neil, look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act

In 1913, Farley Caminetti and Maury I. Diggs took their mistresses from Sacramento, California to Reno, Nevada. Their wives informed the police, and both men were arrested in Reno. Caminetti v. United States expanded Mann Act prosecutions from prostitution to non-commercial extramarital sex. Caminetti was fond guilty at trial.

In its original form the act made it a felony to engage in interstate or foreign commerce transport of "any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose". With the 1986 amendments, the Mann Act outlaws interstate or foreign transport of "any person" for purposes of "any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense. " Prior to the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence v. Texas (2003), sodomy was illegal in many states which left open the possibility of prosecution under the Mann Act of consenting adult couples, especially gay couples, though there is no record of such enforcement actions.

In, Holte v. United States, The Court ruled that it is not impossible for a victim of the Act to be charged with conspiracy under specific circumstances.

And Neil, I want to repeat something I said. The Feds can charge an object like cash or a car with a crime without a warrant.

DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because he Must Be A Drug Dealer.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dea-a...?utm_hp_ref=tw

https://www.techdirt.com/2015/05/11/...ecause-it-can/

When the Feds give something high priority, and human trafficking is a very high priority, they shoot and ask questions later. And you do not want a legal battle with the Feds because IMO they will find something. I think the Feds could scare a seeking girl into saying just about anything.

And this was not my only about with presumed trafficking. Five times, I bought tickets for women from Colombia / Peru to Mexico over the years. Three times, the women were hassled. Two were denied entry to Mexico. The worst was a Colombian put in a form of jail in the Mexico City airport where she got many of her personal items stolen. It was in her words the most horrible and frightening experience of her life.

We are all grown men here who are going to do what we feel legally comfortable with and I am not going to presume to have the answers about what is allowed and what is not because it can vary region to region.

However, I strongly disagree with the notion that if you fly a woman you met on seeking to the USA from a foreign land, it is risk free. I posted it what I did for guys to make an informed decision about that risk and to minimize said risk. If you feel it is risk free, then go for it. And let's just leave it at that.

[JuliusGeezer]

Anyone run into a fake that had a verified profile? I'm wondering if it's possible, a girl I spoke to said she had to submit additional photos and an ID to get verified, she is legit I know that much and open to video call. But wondering if anyone had such an experience because some of these verified profiles sure seem sketchy to me even when taking the convo offline.

[Steve 9696]

Great conversation guys. And I like the South American chat we've fallen into. I will return soon and looking forward to it! And will experience the famed CDMX girls scene for the first time.

On Brasileiras I will only add that I don't think they "cheat" or think of it that way. They are so much more open to sex and multiple partners and that's one of the reasons they are so great. Two of the boate girls that I spent time with literally got engaged a month after fucking me. Do I think they stopped fucking after they got married? Unlikely. It's in their DNA and upbringing to share the love. More power to them.

Reminds me when I found the famous Thifany (who I flew to London) was engaged and I wished her best wishes (and implied goodbye) . She said "why should anything be different between us. He knows what I do from time to time and he does the same. Plus he also likes men. " Hahaha. Brasileiras are one of a kind!

[TedFerguson]

With Colombia then and seeking, I would head to Bogota for sophistication and variety and Barranquilla for looks, but if you are looking for 10's, I am not sure I would bother. Sao Paulo had the most 10's per square inch of any city I have ever been to. Stereotypically, thing about the Brazilian women, and we have guys here who can attest to this, though is they cheat. They are friendly, sexually fantastic, open minded, and fun, but they cheat. If that does not bother you, go for it. FWIW, the really good ones in Colombia and Mexico do not have that reputation.

I spent about 2 months in Medellin last year, followed by 3 weeks in Bogota. Medellin seems to be a land of cheap 7's (maybe 8's if we're being generous) and I agree the attitude of many of the more attractive girls was atrocious. It was also my experience that my favorites were not from Medellin. Rollos were more sophisticated and better conversationalists, but I didn't meet one who was decent in bed. I actually stopped in the middle of having sex in 3 separate occasions because it was so disappointing. On a positive note, I discovered Viagra which shouldn't be necessary for a healthy man in his 30's.

I didn't really consider the coast until you mentioned it, but looking on Seeking there are solid options in Cartagena. Barranquilla and Cartagena together have a metro area size to Medellin, and maybe less overrun by tourists. Cartagena seems better from a Seeking perspective, but they're close so can probably experience both with a short car ride. Interestingly, the apartments appear to be much better constructed than in Medellin, which was one thing I disliked there (the noise in the apartment), and there appear to be acceptable food options too.

For Mexico, I've found some decent SA options in CDMX and hoping to develop some in Cancun. I don't need a 10, rather would be happy with a reliable 8 or 9. Unfortunately many of the girls in Cancun appear to be Argentinian and my current bias is to avoid the rather mercenary behavior I've experienced in Buenos Aires. As you suggest, Cancun seems best with a Colombian partner and even better if you can fly in one of her friends / family members so she doesn't get bored. Thanks a bunch for helping me think this through.

[Pk099]

Been reading your posts, didn't see much mention of the $ for these SA girls. What would you say? And do you just say that yourself upfront or try to negotiate if they quote? Thanks.

Allowance is mostly in the range of 3000 to 6000 MXN, plus taxi and dinner / drinks. (for one night we kept drinking in the pool and that cost me almost 2000 MXN.

I do not negotiate on allowance as it may only save me USD 50.

Not negotiating makes the girls happier and I find the girls more willing to provide better service.

[Akibono]

The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.

Let's not argue about interpretation. The answer is not black and white. If she has paid sex with another person and gets caught, you may fit the definition for prostitution. The risk is low but there is some.

[Elvis 2008]

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?

Ted, I was searching in Colombia mostly during the time of Covid, and the selection was better. I was with my gal and her daughter at a cenote (swimming hole) near Cancun and a bunch of Colombians come in making a lot of noises. Her daughter looked at them with disgust and said, "Paisas (people who live in Medellin), I hate Paisas. " She was born in Bogota and her mother was born in Cartagena and I have never heard them talk about anything in Medellin. Our Colombia critic here, Dramafree, had a miserable time in Medellin after spending 3 months there, and it is over run by gringos. The women I met and liked in Medellin were always from somewhere else.

From my POV, I found the Bogota women (Rollos) more sophisticated and the Costenas (coastal) women to be more attractive with a huge sexual appetite. If you like women with big booties, and I do not, Cali may be the best place on the planet.

Truth is going to Colombia after the travel ban was done, I had like 200 phone numbers. I lined them up and rated the women I wanted to see. Probably 80% of them did not respond once I got there. If I had to do it again, I would not even reach out to anyone until one week before my trip.

If I wanted to get ahold of a real beauty, I would front them cash to show them I was real. I do not recommend this and I only would send $40 (probably do $50 now) via Western Union. I met Miss Cartagena and the best looking woman in Medellin I had ever seen in Colombia but both were really stuck up. Again, I would do this only if you see someone you are totally in lust with and only a week or so in advance. The hottest women are slammed with hundreds of requests of pretenders, and I wanted the women to know I was real and a player.

My initial impression of Colombia was not good but so many guys wrote about it I gave it a second chance. I then read Routard's incredible reports on Colombian women and that is when I thought I had missed something and I used seeking and went deeper. Until then, I had seen the worst of Colombian women: frigid, materialistic, shallow, cocky, average performers. Once I used seeking, I learned to hone in on the women who had social media pages where they showed family and not the parties and bling they wore. Those women, the ones family oriented, were fun, sweet, considerate, upbeat, and for whatever reason horny as fuck. I got the Colombian women Routard was talking about, the ones I had not seen before, but they are a minority of the women on seeking. Still, seeking was the only avenue I had to meet said women and without Covid and all the job layoffs, I do not know even how many of those women I would have met.

With Colombia then and seeking, I would head to Bogota for sophistication and variety and Barranquilla for looks, but if you are looking for 10's, I am not sure I would bother. Sao Paulo had the most 10's per square inch of any city I have ever been to. Stereotypically, thing about the Brazilian women, and we have guys here who can attest to this, though is they cheat. They are friendly, sexually fantastic, open minded, and fun, but they cheat. If that does not bother you, go for it. FWIW, the really good ones in Colombia and Mexico do not have that reputation.

Thing with CDMX is that you can find 10's there too but those women often want a lot dollar wise. I would say whatever you pay in Colombia for a 10, double that for Brazil, and double what you pay in Brazil for CDMX.

[JuliusGeezer]

AS DF says, I agree that CDMX SA scene is awesome if you find English speaking girl (for those who do not speak Spanish).

If you speak Spanish CDMX is gold mine.

As Elvis said proximity to US is very big factor in CDMX (or any city in Mexico).

For some of us from Texas, 2 HR flight and cheap tickets allow to have bigger budget for multiple quick trips.

Also the quality and availability of Love Hotels only adds more fun to the scene. (I never seen love hotels outside of CDMX, this should be everywhere.

I can not comment on any other LATAM county as never been there.

But definitely have a plan for Columbia and Brazil. Just need time as I will loose 2 whole days in travel.

I wanted to go to Medellin with ElPapi last month but logistics just did not work (ticket price and travel time).

I had 2 trips to Mexico in last 2 months.

In the 1st trip I had 2 SA girls and 3 non-SA pro girls. My experience with SA girls is very good if they speak English.

First SA girl did not speak English and for me it was not fun even though she tried her best and was hot looking.

Second SA girl was a blast, spoke good English, really fun to talk, not hot but beautiful with very nice body, enjoyed sex.

She was with me from 7 pm dinner till 7 am in the morning.

Of course her allowance expectations were 40% more than the first girl. But it was totally worth. (I have FRs in DF section).

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...orts&p=2760845#post2760845.

In my 2nd CDMX trip, I met 3 SA girls and a 3 some with 2 non-SA, Columbians WG on first night as there were no SA girl available for late night (FRs coming soon).

I met the English speaking SA girl from previous trip and this time it was extension to previous night, just got better.

2 other SA girls I met also spoke English and both girls were lot of fun and all 3 girls showed interest in 3 some, so next trip will be multiple 3 somes.

Been reading your posts, didn't see much mention of the $ for these SA girls. What would you say? And do you just say that yourself upfront or try to negotiate if they quote? Thanks.