Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?

Ted, I was searching in Colombia mostly during the time of Covid, and the selection was better. I was with my gal and her daughter at a cenote (swimming hole) near Cancun and a bunch of Colombians come in making a lot of noises. Her daughter looked at them with disgust and said, "Paisas (people who live in Medellin), I hate Paisas. " She was born in Bogota and her mother was born in Cartagena and I have never heard them talk about anything in Medellin. Our Colombia critic here, Dramafree, had a miserable time in Medellin after spending 3 months there, and it is over run by gringos. The women I met and liked in Medellin were always from somewhere else.

From my POV, I found the Bogota women (Rollos) more sophisticated and the Costenas (coastal) women to be more attractive with a huge sexual appetite. If you like women with big booties, and I do not, Cali may be the best place on the planet.

Truth is going to Colombia after the travel ban was done, I had like 200 phone numbers. I lined them up and rated the women I wanted to see. Probably 80% of them did not respond once I got there. If I had to do it again, I would not even reach out to anyone until one week before my trip.

If I wanted to get ahold of a real beauty, I would front them cash to show them I was real. I do not recommend this and I only would send $40 (probably do $50 now) via Western Union. I met Miss Cartagena and the best looking woman in Medellin I had ever seen in Colombia but both were really stuck up. Again, I would do this only if you see someone you are totally in lust with and only a week or so in advance. The hottest women are slammed with hundreds of requests of pretenders, and I wanted the women to know I was real and a player.

My initial impression of Colombia was not good but so many guys wrote about it I gave it a second chance. I then read Routard's incredible reports on Colombian women and that is when I thought I had missed something and I used seeking and went deeper. Until then, I had seen the worst of Colombian women: frigid, materialistic, shallow, cocky, average performers. Once I used seeking, I learned to hone in on the women who had social media pages where they showed family and not the parties and bling they wore. Those women, the ones family oriented, were fun, sweet, considerate, upbeat, and for whatever reason horny as fuck. I got the Colombian women Routard was talking about, the ones I had not seen before, but they are a minority of the women on seeking. Still, seeking was the only avenue I had to meet said women and without Covid and all the job layoffs, I do not know even how many of those women I would have met.

With Colombia then and seeking, I would head to Bogota for sophistication and variety and Barranquilla for looks, but if you are looking for 10's, I am not sure I would bother. Sao Paulo had the most 10's per square inch of any city I have ever been to. Stereotypically, thing about the Brazilian women, and we have guys here who can attest to this, though is they cheat. They are friendly, sexually fantastic, open minded, and fun, but they cheat. If that does not bother you, go for it. FWIW, the really good ones in Colombia and Mexico do not have that reputation.

Thing with CDMX is that you can find 10's there too but those women often want a lot dollar wise. I would say whatever you pay in Colombia for a 10, double that for Brazil, and double what you pay in Brazil for CDMX.

[JuliusGeezer]

AS DF says, I agree that CDMX SA scene is awesome if you find English speaking girl (for those who do not speak Spanish).

If you speak Spanish CDMX is gold mine.

As Elvis said proximity to US is very big factor in CDMX (or any city in Mexico).

For some of us from Texas, 2 HR flight and cheap tickets allow to have bigger budget for multiple quick trips.

Also the quality and availability of Love Hotels only adds more fun to the scene. (I never seen love hotels outside of CDMX, this should be everywhere.

I can not comment on any other LATAM county as never been there.

But definitely have a plan for Columbia and Brazil. Just need time as I will loose 2 whole days in travel.

I wanted to go to Medellin with ElPapi last month but logistics just did not work (ticket price and travel time).

I had 2 trips to Mexico in last 2 months.

In the 1st trip I had 2 SA girls and 3 non-SA pro girls. My experience with SA girls is very good if they speak English.

First SA girl did not speak English and for me it was not fun even though she tried her best and was hot looking.

Second SA girl was a blast, spoke good English, really fun to talk, not hot but beautiful with very nice body, enjoyed sex.

She was with me from 7 pm dinner till 7 am in the morning.

Of course her allowance expectations were 40% more than the first girl. But it was totally worth. (I have FRs in DF section).

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...orts&p=2760845#post2760845.

In my 2nd CDMX trip, I met 3 SA girls and a 3 some with 2 non-SA, Columbians WG on first night as there were no SA girl available for late night (FRs coming soon).

I met the English speaking SA girl from previous trip and this time it was extension to previous night, just got better.

2 other SA girls I met also spoke English and both girls were lot of fun and all 3 girls showed interest in 3 some, so next trip will be multiple 3 somes.

Been reading your posts, didn't see much mention of the $ for these SA girls. What would you say? And do you just say that yourself upfront or try to negotiate if they quote? Thanks.

[MiamiBoy1]

My job is fully remote, and I can spend 6 months per year in Brazil without worrying about breaking any laws. The challenge is where to spend the other 6, given that Brazilian women are so amazing.

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?

I have always said that the best looking girls in Mexico are not Mexicans, but foreigners. An average Mexican girl is less attractive than average Colombiana or Brasileira. But speaking of higher end market, Mexico got an advantage, because there is money to be made and all the hot girls from other countries flock there to work. CDMX got plenty of model agencies. Rich Mexicans love white Eastern European girls and are willing to pay premium. DF says Mexicans have better personality and are more fun, but I think they are not any better than other central or Latin america girls, it all depends on chemistry and varies case by case.

In Mde it is definitely not easy to get 9's and 10's attention. Simply because the supply of hot girls is limited, while you are competing with a ton of gringos who travel there for pussy. Be persistent, make your Seeking profile stand out, and if it doesn't help, move on. If you speak Spanish you would probably be better off approaching hot women in malls, restaurants, etc. Online game in mde is super tough.

Oh, and wishlist is such a BS, don’t even pay attention

[NeilGeorge]

Big thing is that you have to watch out for is the Mann Act. Someone could say you are transporting a woman across country lines for sexual purposes,
The Mann Act is also like drugs in the sense that the government can seize anything involved with the transportation of suspected trafficking.

The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.

[TedFerguson]

My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. .

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.

My job is fully remote, and I can spend 6 months per year in Brazil without worrying about breaking any laws. The challenge is where to spend the other 6, given that Brazilian women are so amazing.

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis and what was the compensation for a weekend. Flight + lodging and 1000 USD?

I paid her $300 to $500 for a few days and took her shopping twice. Big thing is that you have to watch out for is the Mann Act. Someone could say you are transporting a woman across country lines for sexual purposes, so you have to make sure she refers to herself as your GF or someone you are dating and it is best if you have GF type activity photos on her and your phone with all you and she did in Mexico. Also, I would have her say that you did not meet on seeking. It might even be better if she could mention the reason for her travel is some other reason than to meet you like she is going to a concert, convention ETC and is just staying with you. And absolutely she should not have anything on her phone with regards to you paying her.

Also, this Mexican gal with me dressed up very provocatively, and she got harassed badly the first time she came into the country. Trump was president then and the border agents acted differently with him as president especially with Mexicans. I think she came three times and she flew though customs the second and third time, but the first time she was very upset and in tears because she was harassed so badly.

The Mann Act is also like drugs in the sense that the government can seize anything involved with the transportation of suspected trafficking. So if you picked her up on the border with a car, they could seize the car without a warrant if trafficking is even just suspected.

My gal was a lawyer, spoke English, and knew better than to say to customs, I am here to fuck a guy for money. Of course, that was not true, but you better be damned sure you screen a woman you are flying across and drill them on what to say and how to look. If she is young, attractive, and traveling alone, she meets the profile for being trafficked.

Other thing you could do is just fly her to a border town like Tijuana or Juarez and have her come across by bus or walk across saying she is going to shop for a few days in the USA and then fly her from San Diego or El Paso to wherever after that. That is probably a lot safer way to go. It is more of a hassle but probably worth it.

And I would not do this with any woman who does not have a job or is on any kind of escort site.

[Pk099]

AS DF says, I agree that CDMX SA scene is awesome if you find English speaking girl (for those who do not speak Spanish).

If you speak Spanish CDMX is gold mine.

As Elvis said proximity to US is very big factor in CDMX (or any city in Mexico).

For some of us from Texas, 2 HR flight and cheap tickets allow to have bigger budget for multiple quick trips.

Also the quality and availability of Love Hotels only adds more fun to the scene. (I never seen love hotels outside of CDMX, this should be everywhere.

I can not comment on any other LATAM county as never been there.

But definitely have a plan for Columbia and Brazil. Just need time as I will loose 2 whole days in travel.

I wanted to go to Medellin with ElPapi last month but logistics just did not work (ticket price and travel time).

I had 2 trips to Mexico in last 2 months.

In the 1st trip I had 2 SA girls and 3 non-SA pro girls. My experience with SA girls is very good if they speak English.

First SA girl did not speak English and for me it was not fun even though she tried her best and was hot looking.

Second SA girl was a blast, spoke good English, really fun to talk, not hot but beautiful with very nice body, enjoyed sex.

She was with me from 7 pm dinner till 7 am in the morning.

Of course her allowance expectations were 40% more than the first girl. But it was totally worth. (I have FRs in DF section).

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...orts&p=2760845#post2760845.

In my 2nd CDMX trip, I met 3 SA girls and a 3 some with 2 non-SA, Columbians WG on first night as there were no SA girl available for late night (FRs coming soon).

I met the English speaking SA girl from previous trip and this time it was extension to previous night, just got better.

2 other SA girls I met also spoke English and both girls were lot of fun and all 3 girls showed interest in 3 some, so next trip will be multiple 3 somes.

Wyatt, I did not do the sugar baby thing until 2009 and was last in Argentina in 2007. One guy said Peru women max out at a 7, and I agree with that. My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. I did see 10's though in Colombia and Brazil and saw 10's from Paraguay and Venezuela in other countries.

I probably bedded 20 women there, and 18 or so were from Argentina and 2 were from Paraguay. I would have repeated with 2 of the 18 Argentines but both of the women from Paraguay. I really was never selling the sugar baby concept there or in Brazil. What I posted was what I saw prior to knowing the Argentine stereotypes.

Maybe if I had approached with the sugar baby concept, things would have been better, but I will probably never know.

Thing is I learned the most about the Latin stereotypes from this youtube channel called Joanna speaks. Here is one on Argentina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHn9VJuTzA.

Thing is you would think I would disagree with DF about Colombia seeing as how I have hit gold there, but I really do not. In the P4 P world, I was totally disappointed with Colombia. The women did not look as good as Brazil or Argentina and IMO were even more full of themselves than the Argentines and wanted even more money.

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.

From a P4P POV though, I found the Vennies in Colombia better looking, better performing, and nicer.

When I sent out PMs to women on seeking, I found the Brazilians friendlier and better looking all in all though than the Argentines. Still, why bother? It is a 10 hour flight to both places compared to 2 with Mexico. The flight costs dwarf what you would pay the women.

Colombia is closer but the flights times to everywhere but Bogota are going to run you 8 hours or pretty much all day. Given it takes 2 days to travel then, it is not realistic for many guys to go there and have a sugar baby. Half the time I have had to meet my woman in Mexico or Central America due to my tight schedule.

If you are in the North, Canada may work out for some guys. And much of Central America is doable from a time perspective but I have not seen much I like in Central America woman wise which leaves Mexico.

Thing is there are many Mexican cities with direct connections from the USA off the beaten path. I never followed up on them but I missed out on some real lookers in the mid sized cities. Thing is even if you do not want to go to their city, it is dirt cheap to fly them to say Mexico City or Cancun.

And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.

[NapataJohn]

And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.

Elvis and what was the compensation for a weekend. Flight + lodging and 1000 USD?

[Elvis 2008]

This sounds like the usual stereotyping of Argentinians, but there are decades of truth behind it. It's not just the aloofness and attitude of the women. This arrogance and drama is endemic in the entire culture. The business culture is affected by the same delusions. History has moved on and left them with a very bad psyche.

Wyatt, I did not do the sugar baby thing until 2009 and was last in Argentina in 2007. One guy said Peru women max out at a 7, and I agree with that. My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. I did see 10's though in Colombia and Brazil and saw 10's from Paraguay and Venezuela in other countries.

I probably bedded 20 women there, and 18 or so were from Argentina and 2 were from Paraguay. I would have repeated with 2 of the 18 Argentines but both of the women from Paraguay. I really was never selling the sugar baby concept there or in Brazil. What I posted was what I saw prior to knowing the Argentine stereotypes.

Maybe if I had approached with the sugar baby concept, things would have been better, but I will probably never know.

Thing is I learned the most about the Latin stereotypes from this youtube channel called Joanna speaks. Here is one on Argentina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHn9VJuTzA.

Thing is you would think I would disagree with DF about Colombia seeing as how I have hit gold there, but I really do not. In the P4 P world, I was totally disappointed with Colombia. The women did not look as good as Brazil or Argentina and IMO were even more full of themselves than the Argentines and wanted even more money.

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.

From a P4P POV though, I found the Vennies in Colombia better looking, better performing, and nicer.

When I sent out PMs to women on seeking, I found the Brazilians friendlier and better looking all in all though than the Argentines. Still, why bother? It is a 10 hour flight to both places compared to 2 with Mexico. The flight costs dwarf what you would pay the women.

Colombia is closer but the flights times to everywhere but Bogota are going to run you 8 hours or pretty much all day. Given it takes 2 days to travel then, it is not realistic for many guys to go there and have a sugar baby. Half the time I have had to meet my woman in Mexico or Central America due to my tight schedule.

If you are in the North, Canada may work out for some guys. And much of Central America is doable from a time perspective but I have not seen much I like in Central America woman wise which leaves Mexico.

Thing is there are many Mexican cities with direct connections from the USA off the beaten path. I never followed up on them but I missed out on some real lookers in the mid sized cities. Thing is even if you do not want to go to their city, it is dirt cheap to fly them to say Mexico City or Cancun.

And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.

[Steve 9696]

Ganar ganar literally means I'll fuck you for money. You're happy, I'm happy.

Makes sense now that you say it out loud. Win win. We use that expression in America also. For sex in exchange for money we use the euphemism "mutually beneficial" but it's nearly the same turn of phrase as ganar ganar.

[DramaFree11]

Dude just read back some pages. DramaFree talks all the time about how awesome the SA scene is in CDMX. He claims best in world. He seems a credible guy. Give it a whirl!

And oh if a girl is on seeking she PLANS to be intimate. Thats what everyone is there for. The 5% platonic girls are delusional. U can weed them Out easy.

Clarification, SA is awesome in CDMX. I am not sure about the best in the world. Also takes, multiple trips, hard work and a decent budget.

[ContinentalF]

Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.

Ganar ganar literally means I'll fuck you for money. You're happy, I'm happy.

[Steve 9696]

Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.

Dude just read back some pages. DramaFree talks all the time about how awesome the SA scene is in CDMX. He claims best in world. He seems a credible guy. Give it a whirl!

And oh if a girl is on seeking she PLANS to be intimate. That’s what everyone is there for. The 5% platonic girls are delusional. U can weed them Out easy.

[JuliusGeezer]

How was your experience in CDMX? Did you set your expectations firmly up front with them as in if there is chemistry blah blah blah, we will head back to my place? I'm guessing there might have been some that flaked or do they all fully understand the terms? I'm sure there's some who expect $ for just showing up for a coffee or a dinner, sorry for the questions but noob here which is why I ask.

I've been seeing ganar ganar in a lot of profiles, does that just mean win win or is that code for something else? LOL.

Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.

[DramaFree11]

I just want to share this news here. A lot of discussions on the Medellin site over this robbery and murder incident that originated from Tinder.

Be extra careful especially drinking from an unknown source or while your drink is left unattended in bar etc. Drugging and then robbing you is more common than one might think. I personally know someone who was drugged and was completely cleaned out and he was an expat living in Medellin. It could be a lot worse.

Here is the link to the recent news of the Medellin Tinder murder.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34k...n-death-tinder

https://nextshark.com/california-man...e-in-colombia/

Thank you. I will never understand why guys like Colombia so much. Too dangerous and way too many drugs for me. Not to mention, I have zero attraction to Colombian Chicks.