Seeking Arrangements

[GoingDumb]

You don't need to be in anything other than English. You don't need pics. Girls will ask for them once you move over to WhatsApp.

Main thing is to not be so direct. Unless you are just looking for hookers. In which case there are other places. I wrote a guide on how to chat up SA girls and while written primarily for USA it largely applies to South America also. The girls you are looking for on Seeking want to rationalize that they are good girls. So you try to stay away from money for sex. Less true outside the US but still. Actually two hotties I scored in Mexico (see reports three weeks back) would have run for the hills if there was a hint of money for sex.

I will repost the guide here. Perhaps other seniors want to respond with where it's off base or could use some international spin.

I will note however that in addition to the long texting game, I have had very good success with spontaneous dates. When I am in town I say "Going out to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" I have scored some serious hottie s this way including a Rio 9. 5.

I think Steve's guide is missing his intl advice which I found worked. I start browsing 2-3 weeks before and sending messages. I usually do do you speak english in english or their language. See who writes back and later tell them "I say I'm going to be in X on why, love to meet for a drink or go out" or something like that. If they're down, move to telegram / what's app and share photos. I know steve is smoother bringing up business part but I usually like to know ahead of time so I ask what kind of allowance they expect because I don't want to insult them since I haven't done sa in x before. Sometimes it ends here if she wants something really high and it's a bummer if the chat has gone well. Once that's settled and you're there, plan a meet up and hope it goes well.

[GoingDumb]

I am in contact with a drop dead gorgeous 21 year old and she says she can't wait to be with me etc, I did do a good job of flirting with her for sure, but I can't help just thinking this seems a little too easy and wondering if I'm being setup.

For the record, she has sent me selifes, voice messages, and I'm on her instagram, and everything there looks solid.

The other thing is I messaged her once on SA and she gave me her whatsapp. I then tried to talk to her again a couple weeks later, and her whatsapp number had changed. Could that be a red flag?

How long have you been in contact? Most common scam would be go to hotel, she asks for money and bolts. If she asks for money upfront, I bail. If you meet and she's trying to rush, bail.

[GoingDumb]

I've been seeing a girl from sa for about 2 months now. PPM / allowance didn't come up until we were in bed the second time and when I asked what she expected she said she wasn't looking for money, just casual sex. She is ok going bare as well which is nice. Since then we go out once or twice a week and she stays over. Taken her to some nicer places she wanted to try and sent her money for a dress.

When she was over last week we were talking about dating / sa and I said something she took as an insult about her getting hit on in public. She also asked what I was looking for on sa and if I'the done allowances before. This past weekend she's active on sa again and I'm worried I messed it up by insulting her or if she's feeling shorted about the allowance. We both agreed that if we saw other people we'the use protection but I don't want to bring it up and look possessive.

I like her company but don't want a relationship. She doesn't either and ended her first experience on sa when the guy wanted one. I was thinking about taking her on a trip but now I'm not sure. I'the like to know how you guys handle or decide how much to put into this kind of relationship. I know it's not really sugar and more like a fwb but don't know where else to post.

Also, for guys like Steve that sound like their game has gotten pretty good, have you tried picking up regular girls? The one good thing about seeking is I've gotten a lot more practice dates that way.

[FilthyBeaver]

Anyone notice that seeking offered 1 HR premium service for free yesterday? I was able to utilize it 4 times and got a total hottie from SP over to whatsapp. She asked me what I gave my regular sb but wouldn't tell me what she got in the last or what she wanted. She said she'd tell me when my trip gets closer. I'm thinking 1-1.5 k without seeing her in person to be adjusted up or down depending on how the meet and greet goes.

The 400 USD I mentioned was a US price. That would be waaay overpaying in Brazil. I find that in a given country a hot seeking girl will take for an evening what a pro does for an hour or so. So if a Scandallo girl is say 1000 R / HR then a seeking girl might take that for an evening. This is a generalization worldwide. Others may have played Seeeking more in Brazil than me. I mostly do the club experience there.

That said I had an amazing Seeking girl in Rio for 500 R. So clearly the gems exist. And Mia from Casarao who is a ten only wanted 1200 R for overnight. So I'm sure she would have taken that or less if she was on seeking. So I'the say between 500-1200 R seems like it should work?

[AmericanPi]

I am in contact with a drop dead gorgeous 21 year old and she says she can't wait to be with me etc, I did do a good job of flirting with her for sure, but I can't help just thinking this seems a little too easy and wondering if I'm being setup.

For the record, she has sent me selifes, voice messages, and I'm on her instagram, and everything there looks solid.

The other thing is I messaged her once on SA and she gave me her whatsapp. I then tried to talk to her again a couple weeks later, and her whatsapp number had changed. Could that be a red flag?

It might be totally fine. But you are right to trust your instincts. Nobody ever regretted exercising caution and prudence.

Why not try this. Tell her listen, we are both meeting someone we met online that we know nothing about. You're a woman and you should have security concerns meeting men off the internet and you want her to feel secure. And you try to use best practices too because you don't meet many girls online and are selective about who you meet with. So you'd like to do a video call first and then make plans to meet in a public place. See how you can vet her more thoroughly but make it all about your concern for her and her safety?

If she makes this anything but easy for you she's a scammer.

[Steve 9696]

Very informative and I'm already adjusting how my online game! When messaging the girls in Brazil or elsewhere, are you translating your message and pasting it in their native language? I notice some girls profiles are in English, and I'd message in portuguese regardless.

And for the allowance, if you usually do 400 USD, are you messaging Brazilians 2,000 or R2,0000 assuming they know you mean BRL or in Colombia for example, 2 mil pesos? I don't want to be that guy overspending and driving up the market.

In my own experience in the US, I tend to be direct off the bat. I've had some dates where we flirt all week, meet up, and the chick wants me to pay her 250 for dinner alone. I figure messaging this way saves time to filter the BS, but at the same time it's likely cost me real experiences and actually hooking up as you describe.

The 400 USD I mentioned was a US price. That would be waaay overpaying in Brazil. I find that in a given country a hot seeking girl will take for an evening what a pro does for an hour or so. So if a Scandallo girl is say 1000 R / HR then a seeking girl might take that for an evening. This is a generalization worldwide. Others may have played Seeeking more in Brazil than me. I mostly do the club experience there.

That said I had an amazing Seeking girl in Rio for 500 R. So clearly the gems exist. And Mia from Casarao who is a ten only wanted 1200 R for overnight. So I'm sure she would have taken that or less if she was on seeking. So I'the say between 500-1200 R seems like it should work?

[BallsDeep1980]

I am in contact with a drop dead gorgeous 21 year old and she says she can't wait to be with me etc, I did do a good job of flirting with her for sure, but I can't help just thinking this seems a little too easy and wondering if I'm being setup.

For the record, she has sent me selifes, voice messages, and I'm on her instagram, and everything there looks solid.

The other thing is I messaged her once on SA and she gave me her whatsapp. I then tried to talk to her again a couple weeks later, and her whatsapp number had changed. Could that be a red flag?

[Robotron]

Here is my guide from a few years back. I need to update it a bit so any and all feedback welcome!

As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.

Once you have said "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

Having done this alot (more than 50 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead even if that lead is to the hotel room.

Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!

Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.

Very informative and I'm already adjusting how my online game! When messaging the girls in Brazil or elsewhere, are you translating your message and pasting it in their native language? I notice some girls profiles are in English, and I'd message in portuguese regardless.

And for the allowance, if you usually do 400 USD, are you messaging Brazilians 2,000 or R2,0000 assuming they know you mean BRL or in Colombia for example, 2 mil pesos? I don't want to be that guy overspending and driving up the market.

In my own experience in the US, I tend to be direct off the bat. I've had some dates where we flirt all week, meet up, and the chick wants me to pay her 250 for dinner alone. I figure messaging this way saves time to filter the BS, but at the same time it's likely cost me real experiences and actually hooking up as you describe.

[Steve 9696]

Robotron--just wanted to clarify with using SA in Brazil, do you also need to pay-in to the seeking arrangement subscription before messaging the ladies?

What is the website for seeking arrangement Brazil?

There is no Seeking for Brazil. At least not quite same thing. There is meu Patricinio which is similar but you have to be in Brazil to use it (checks your IP). My Rio SB says it's gone downhill just like seeking has since it's prime. Still great if you put in the work. Yes you need to pay to message and just use Seeking.com as usual.

[Nounce]

...Main thing is to not be so direct. Unless you are just looking for hookers. In which case there are other places. ....

For me, I think it depends on the city. I just came from another city in Brazil where I did like you described. I often have to make some type of offer based on what the girl was looking for to get their attention if they are non-pro. I also know the city almost as well as local. I stayed longer so I can make longer term offer without lying to them. After I bought my flight out, I don't talk to any new ones at all even if I still have 2 or more weeks left. But in Sao Paulo, I have decided to be direct to filter out hookers. If I don't I ended up spending a lot of time chatting and eventually found out she is a pro, and unfortunately most of them that will talk to you quickly are *-pro. A few basic keywords to look for are casual (casuais) which basically mean they will accept PPM. Fixo / fixto / fixta means long term but the reality is it will always start with casual. These will give you an idea what she is looking for. They would use some words that don't always translate well so one has to learn about them.

Another thing I want to add is that the price can't be generalized. It depends on the look of the girl. When someone just asks what the price is, that is too general a question to reply. Because the replied price is still depending on one's preference. It can go from 500 to 5000. I may say it is 500, and you may think wow! 500 can get me a runway model type of girl. LOL

[Krilimag]

For those experienced in Brazil, are your profile bios in English or Portuguese? Mine is English written, with US location.

I messaged two girls not exactly this but along the lines of, "I'm using Google Translate and will be in Rio in a few weeks. Interested in mutually beneficial arrangement and I always help out with cash". One blocked me, other ignored. Usually when they ignore me, I'll throw out a number in this case, are $1,000. That's a high number in Sao Paulo but still ignored.

My pictures are slightly blurred with me standing against a backdrop of city or outdoor nature views. My bio is a paragraph of my interests and a few sentences. I wrote I'm negotiatiable, open minded, looking for NSA also. Maybe it's the age? I'm almost 30, but since my profile is expiring, remaking it at 31 is possible. Both Income at 100,000.

I don't really mind having my face shown overseas if it helps. My trips would be for 2 week visits, not long term stays. For those with success in these countries, what's your profile bio like, pics, and how do you open with the women?

Robotron--just wanted to clarify with using SA in Brazil, do you also need to pay-in to the seeking arrangement subscription before messaging the ladies?

What is the website for seeking arrangement Brazil?

[DramaFree11]

Here is my guide from a few years back. I need to update it a bit so any and all feedback welcome!

Seeking Arrangement Saves the Day -- Release from Pussy Prison.

Good as it was to discover P411 and get out of complete pussy drought, Seeking Arrangement opened a whole new world for me -- Sugar Baby. Sugar Daddy dating. I had gotten a taste of this with Thifany. I mean that is really what we were doing when I flew her to London. I paid her a very reasonable allowance for the week and we just played boyfriend and girlfriend. What fun.

I came to realize through the Thifany experience that I like more than just paid sex. And in fact I love having a girlfriend. I enjoy texting each other. I enjoy that someone cares about me (even if she's pretending -- just never tell me so!) and of course I love the complete experience of dinners and dancing and just acting like real lovers. Not transactional sex partners. And SB / SD is all about this same experience. When done properly.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second..

Amazing report as always, thank you for your wisdom. SA has changed my life for the better, In so many positive ways. For me to complain about SA would be completely ridiculous, yes, bad things happen, but that is life. Yes SA, can be hard and expensive, but that is how you succeed in life.

[Steve 9696]

Here is my guide from a few years back. I need to update it a bit so any and all feedback welcome!

Seeking Arrangement Saves the Day -- Release from Pussy Prison.

Good as it was to discover P411 and get out of complete pussy drought, Seeking Arrangement opened a whole new world for me -- Sugar Baby. Sugar Daddy dating. I had gotten a taste of this with Thifany. I mean that is really what we were doing when I flew her to London. I paid her a very reasonable allowance for the week and we just played boyfriend and girlfriend. What fun.

I came to realize through the Thifany experience that I like more than just paid sex. And in fact I love having a girlfriend. I enjoy texting each other. I enjoy that someone cares about me (even if she's pretending -- just never tell me so!) and of course I love the complete experience of dinners and dancing and just acting like real lovers. Not transactional sex partners. And SB / SD is all about this same experience. When done properly.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.

Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If tries to take you offline right away, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text. But don't do it too early – this spooks the nice girls. Have a conversation over a few days and then take it off SA to texting.

Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now its time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time.

Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway.

Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 300. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign).

As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more – I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.

Once you have said "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

Having done this alot (more than 50 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date – it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead – even if that lead is to the hotel room.

Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!

Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.

[Steve 9696]

For those experienced in Brazil, are your profile bios in English or Portuguese? Mine is English written, with US location.

I messaged two girls not exactly this but along the lines of, "I'm using Google Translate and will be in Rio in a few weeks. Interested in mutually beneficial arrangement and I always help out with cash". One blocked me, other ignored. Usually when they ignore me, I'll throw out a number in this case, are $1,000. That's a high number in Sao Paulo but still ignored.

My pictures are slightly blurred with me standing against a backdrop of city or outdoor nature views. My bio is a paragraph of my interests and a few sentences. I wrote I'm negotiatiable, open minded, looking for NSA also. Maybe it's the age? I'm almost 30, but since my profile is expiring, remaking it at 31 is possible. Both Income at 100,000.

I don't really mind having my face shown overseas if it helps. My trips would be for 2 week visits, not long term stays. For those with success in these countries, what's your profile bio like, pics, and how do you open with the women?

You don't need to be in anything other than English. You don't need pics. Girls will ask for them once you move over to WhatsApp.

Main thing is to not be so direct. Unless you are just looking for hookers. In which case there are other places. I wrote a guide on how to chat up SA girls and while written primarily for USA it largely applies to South America also. The girls you are looking for on Seeking want to rationalize that they are good girls. So you try to stay away from money for sex. Less true outside the US but still. Actually two hotties I scored in Mexico (see reports three weeks back) would have run for the hills if there was a hint of money for sex.

I will repost the guide here. Perhaps other seniors want to respond with where it's off base or could use some international spin.

I will note however that in addition to the long texting game, I have had very good success with spontaneous dates. When I am in town I say "Going out to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" I have scored some serious hottie s this way including a Rio 9. 5.

[Robotron]

For those experienced in Brazil, are your profile bios in English or Portuguese? Mine is English written, with US location.

I messaged two girls not exactly this but along the lines of, "I'm using Google Translate and will be in Rio in a few weeks. Interested in mutually beneficial arrangement and I always help out with cash". One blocked me, other ignored. Usually when they ignore me, I'll throw out a number in this case, are $1,000. That's a high number in Sao Paulo but still ignored.

My pictures are slightly blurred with me standing against a backdrop of city or outdoor nature views. My bio is a paragraph of my interests and a few sentences. I wrote I'm negotiatiable, open minded, looking for NSA also. Maybe it's the age? I'm almost 30, but since my profile is expiring, remaking it at 31 is possible. Both Income at 100,000.

I don't really mind having my face shown overseas if it helps. My trips would be for 2 week visits, not long term stays. For those with success in these countries, what's your profile bio like, pics, and how do you open with the women?