Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

Steve, I have been on and off in this hobby for 30 or so years. I have done the Penthouse pet, Playboy bunny, the #1 escort on big doggie, the girls on the restaurant calendars, and been to every sex mecca save for Germany. At first, every time I got laid it was great. Then you start looking for better sex. You think the next one will be better than the last but often it was not so you repeat with a WG who was good looking and good in bed, and often it is better the second time than the first.

If you think about your life and performance, wouldn't you say money is a minimum motivator? That is when men say, "Well, he is going to have pay me a thousand dollars to do that" right? Then there is pride, and the best WGs have pride in their work, but you know when people say family is #1? What do they mean? IMO "Family is everything" transcends money and transcends pride because it is based upon duty and commitment and love for that person or group of people.

At some point, you are going to find a woman who is a top ten type in terms of looks and sexual performance, and the chances of getting better pussy the next time are crazy small. The reality is that if you are interested in better sex, you should try to go deeper with a top ten woman. If you are fucking for an ego / notch count, then you are going to move onto the next one but if you have been at it for a while and looking for great sex, you probably are going to be disappointed by the next one.

So it is a natural transgression for guys interested in better sex to move onto a sugar baby style relationship, and as everyone who has been a sugar daddy will tell you, the sex is usually way better with a SB than with a typical WG.

Thing is you really cannot tell guys about how being a sugar daddy is better. They kind of have to had their fill of the WGs.

But even with the sugar babies, particularly the American ones, the woman's character would finally show it self. The women would get too greedy, want the same for doing less, or just had mental health, drugs, or financial issues. The one SA American woman I met and I thought I would be more serious with was a hottie with a job and two kids. She was cute and great in bed and fun and then we went in her car one time. There would be some kind of alarm and she had to blow into a machine. Yeah, she had so many DUIs, a judge required her to take frequent and random breathalyzers. Sigh. And that was the best one I found in the USA.

So thing about paying for sex and seeing the WG is that it is an emotionally safe way to have sex. You do not need to know about breathalyzer alarms and there seemed to be always something like that (but maybe it was just the sample I was looking at). Whatever the case may be, the women abroad were IMO all in all of much higher quality character.

I guess the thing that is damaging about WG sex though is that you are training yourself to always be thinking to yourself it is sex for money. Always. The mantra with Colombian women here on ISG is the hot women all want young Colombian men their age. Okay, except I had a few calling me every night and had some making themselves sex videos for me. And when we do have sex, they secrete white cum I can see and smell and then they squirt so much they wet the bed.

Any monger who hears this usually says the same thing. Don't believe she likes you. She wants your money and all those orgasms were fake except I was there and whoever else was saying otherwise was not. It kept happening so much and so many women told me that they liked me that I actually started to say "Maybe they really do like me. " It was crazy how much reassurance I needed from women who said they liked me. Crazy. Again, it was easier and safer to just think all they wanted was my money.

And who says women want young guys anyway? I am more mature, wiser, better in bed, and more secure. I have so much more to offer women now than in my 20's so why would the women want these guys in their 20's, these millennial types? Ugh.

That is what is destructive about seeing WG, maybe the most destructive of all: you train yourself to think that all women are the same and only interested in money and you convince yourself that is all you have to offer.

For me, all the marriage stuff and I am a one woman guy was just bullshit fed to men to follow. I am not sure the men really believed it but after getting married they would have kids and it was the love for their kids and not their wives that kept men from straying. It was IMO kind of a dirty trick.

Unlike when I first got married, I know I can fuck women who are as hot on the planet as there are. I am choosing not to now, and the reason like you just said Steve is the sex will not be as good. When you have a top ten girl in terms of looks and performance and you go deeper, you get to the ultimate motivator. She acts like you are family.

I am sure people may have said I was a sex addict or pleasure freak or whatever but I just had a strong desire to have my sexual wants and needs met. In this one area of my life, until now, I really was not that satisfied. I do not want to see other women because the sex probably will not be as good.

For what it is worth, outside of the guys like yourself Steve, I am not sure anyone else has been on this journey. Maybe some rock stars or athletes have been, but they are not going to talk about it.

I have to keep this part of my life hidden but I really wish other guys could really know and understand what I have been through with my sex life and really get IMO what it is like to really be able to have all the different kinds of sex and women you want.

I know I am not missing anything anymore.

[DramaFree11]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.

Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.

[NeilGeorge]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.

That's why people get married. You have found the secret of a happy life. Every one else is simply searching.

[Steve 9696]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.

[AmericanPi]

I'm used to paying on the generous side and getting premium girls. Like 18-23, super cute.

You think 400 quid gets you that in London or at that point are you trading down to 7. 5's?

I've had good experiences in London. You should be able to find something at $350. Or maybe $400.

My last girl wanted 400 but we agreed 400 first time and 300 other times. That's like $330 or something.

Have two girls lined up for visit coming up. A Brazilian asked 600 and accepted 400 . And a much more "college girl type" said 300 right out the gate and implied there was room to move but I didn't try because it's a good deal.

[AmericanPi]

Riga.

Interesting.

Had not considered there.

If you want to try Eastern Europe, I lived in Warsaw for 2 years (returned one year ago) and had great experiences there. The supply is not as great as London or Mexico City but there are enough girls to have fun. During that time I usually paid anywhere between 400 zl to 800 zl (about 100 to 200 usd). With inflation it may require more now but I would say that you will be able to find some nice girl for 200-250 euro with no problems.

I was actually planning to return to visit some friends and I was thinking of flying from there to Riga and spend a few days there. So I have been doing some research and talked to a couple of girls. Here is what I got.

[EuropeanDmv75]

Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).

If you want to try Eastern Europe, I lived in Warsaw for 2 years (returned one year ago) and had great experiences there. The supply is not as great as London or Mexico City but there are enough girls to have fun. During that time I usually paid anywhere between 400 zl to 800 zl (about 100 to 200 usd). With inflation it may require more now but I would say that you will be able to find some nice girl for 200-250 euro with no problems.

I was actually planning to return to visit some friends and I was thinking of flying from there to Riga and spend a few days there. So I have been doing some research and talked to a couple of girls. Here is what I got.

Megija (22) - 150 Euro per encounter (few hours).

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...1-a4bcb974d501

We have been sexting and she seems fun. She even has an free Onlyfans if you want to check some of her pictures (she sent me some naughty ones in Whatsapp).

https://onlyfans.com/madlenaxoxo

Chanel (30) - We agreed in 400 Euro for the week (2-3 times).

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...c-b8706f547d7a

We have been chatting a lot. She seems legit.

[ShadowGuy22]

Looking for advice on where to go next, heading to Medellin in the next 2 weeks and I wanted to go to another country or 2 in Latin America before the year is over.

My criteria is great quality seeking girls, decent weather (not too hot), good food, and decent internet.

Currently considering:

Mexico.

Costa Rica.

Panama.

Peru.

Ecuador.

[Steve 9696]

Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).

I've had good experiences in London. You should be able to find something at $350. Or maybe $400.

My last girl wanted 400 £ but we agreed 400 first time and 300 other times. That's like $330 or something.

Have two girls lined up for visit coming up. A Brazilian asked 600 £ and accepted 400 £. And a much more "college girl type" said 300 £ right out the gate and implied there was room to move but I didn't try because it's a good deal.

[AmericanPi]

Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).

[AmericanPi]

Your first FKK!

It was life changing for me.

The first time. After that it's like your second time to Disneyland. Good but the magic doesn't have as much pixie dust.

Enjoy every minute. It's not often as adults you get true first times of things. And FKK is def a unique experience.

I've thought back on this multiple times and my little head never encouraged me to make the move. There is usually a feeling that propels you forward to touch her, kiss her or pull her to you, either to be welcomed or rejected, but even that didn't happen. I literally had nothing at all. I've only felt this feeling with girls that I didn't find attractive. Perhaps there was something about her that really rubbed me the wrong way subconsciously? IDK.

I'll be in EU in the next few weeks and I intend to get the FKK experience under my belt. It sounds like it's something to try and from what I've read the girls can be sharks, the sex only okay, and the selection underwhelming; YMMV obv; it sounds super interesting, but at the same time I don't have high hopes. I'm a DFK dude that refuses to pay extra for it (hence why I default to SBs) There are only 2 days that can be used for FKK, so the mission will be to Penelope (near Essen) and Artemis (2 for comparison's sake). If you guys know of any FKKs near Essen that are more worth it than Penelope, I'm all ears and willing to travel about an hour.

The bonus is that I'll be starting the trip with a few days with Maria. Texts from her have become almost daily and she seems to be super excited with my return. TBH, I'm not quite sure where we sit? LOL. Great sex, she is ready to ditch the condoms and go on birth control (after a mutual std screening first) and she doesn't want cash and doesn't behave like an SB. It's almost as if she is behaving like a long distance GF that knows better than to outwardly apply the term, but has mentioned that we should be 1 on 1. I'm along for the ride and enjoying the scenery LOL.

The last SB that wanted to take things further wasn't able to handle the terms. I gave it a shot and made her aware that I will come and go as I please without a "need" to inform or involve. It sounds harsh, but that's why SBs are so awesome (and I won't have my moves influenced by an SB); there is a freedom that comes with privacy and she simply wasn't able to handle it. Maria, in this case seems to completely understand the terms and doesn't want anything from it. Like I mentioned, interesting and fun but each step forward is with caution.

[Steve 9696]

As I wrote in an earlier post, I am also in uncharted waters and I got my camera out taking pictures and making sure not to miss the scenery LOL.

It's all about the experience and the act of exploration. It's awesome that in your travels you have found a girl with an unbelievable sex drive, especially when there are guys out there that have mediocre to bad sex their entire life LOL. That's what amazing about an arrangement / agreement. You define the rules from scratch (nothing pre-existing) and end up with a delightful game to play LOL. LOL. No one is misled, old school definitions can be thrown out the window (GF, mistress, etc) and you can just exist in the new f (x) that you have created.

I know you don't expect exclusivity and you mentioned don't ask don't tell, but are you okay with her having guys over in a place that you foot the bill for (just curious), or is it meaningless as long as you are given supreme priority, leagues above the rest, LOL?

.02

Yeah def having guys to her place (our place) is a line she should not cross. I've not said it but she surely knows that's a boundary to not cross. I have a key and usually let myself in if she doesn't answer right away. She's an interesting beast and it feels like she's exclusive because she's always available when I ask and she's says "stop by any time honey". In fact I saw her four times a week ago and then a couple times this week including passionate sex two different times this week. It's become much more organic. Def a great new adventure.

Its interesting what u say about the rules. About two weeks ago she was def lower prioritizing me relative to her friends and it felt weird. We are much more bfgf than SBSD so it didnt feel right to say Im paying so u need to do x. I just told her it made me really unhappy that she was prioritizing her friends above me. Well she damn well changed. Shes been all about me ever since. Im not saying its cuz she cares about me more. Shes a smart cookie and knows Im both a BF and a meal ticket. But it def worked to have a talk. All smiles and fucking ever since. The only complaint she has is when I have to cut our time to a couple hours and she begs me to sleepover all the time. First world problems!

[LshRoomer]

Yeah I don't really know the definition. Point was we have moved to a new level in our relationship. Completely new territory for me. Including meeting up and just hanging out, because we can have sex some other day that week (once a week is enough for me on a regular basis). To be clear I don't pay her anything beyond her rent. No extra allowance. Tho I do treat her like a girlfriend like the TV broke and I bought a new one.

At some point I had the don't ask don't tell conversation with her. That I don't expect exclusivity she has a life after all. But if she sees other guys I don't want to know about it. The presumption is this goes both ways. Don't ask don't tell.

As I wrote in an earlier post, I am also in uncharted waters and I got my camera out taking pictures and making sure not to miss the scenery LOL.

It's all about the experience and the act of exploration. It's awesome that in your travels you have found a girl with an unbelievable sex drive, especially when there are guys out there that have mediocre to bad sex their entire life LOL. That's what amazing about an arrangement / agreement. You define the rules from scratch (nothing pre-existing) and end up with a delightful game to play LOL. LOL. No one is misled, old school definitions can be thrown out the window (GF, mistress, etc) and you can just exist in the new f (x) that you have created.

I know you don't expect exclusivity and you mentioned don't ask don't tell, but are you okay with her having guys over in a place that you foot the bill for (just curious), or is it meaningless as long as you are given supreme priority, leagues above the rest, LOL?

.02

[LshRoomer]

I had an initial lunch date with a SB prospect. She had lots going for her. She told me she about her marriage, her kids, her interests and that she's allowed to play. Went parking for a while and trying to get things happening. Nothing felt natural at all. I dropped her back to her home and texted her after thanks but no thanks.

Maybe the swingers' game is different to the SB / SD game.

I've thought back on this multiple times and my little head never encouraged me to make the move. There is usually a feeling that propels you forward to touch her, kiss her or pull her to you, either to be welcomed or rejected, but even that didn't happen. I literally had nothing at all. I've only felt this feeling with girls that I didn't find attractive. Perhaps there was something about her that really rubbed me the wrong way subconsciously? IDK.

I'll be in EU in the next few weeks and I intend to get the FKK experience under my belt. It sounds like it's something to try and from what I've read the girls can be sharks, the sex only okay, and the selection underwhelming; YMMV obv; it sounds super interesting, but at the same time I don't have high hopes. I'm a DFK dude that refuses to pay extra for it (hence why I default to SBs) There are only 2 days that can be used for FKK, so the mission will be to Penelope (near Essen) and Artemis (2 for comparison's sake). If you guys know of any FKKs near Essen that are more worth it than Penelope, I'm all ears and willing to travel about an hour.

The bonus is that I'll be starting the trip with a few days with Maria. Texts from her have become almost daily and she seems to be super excited with my return. TBH, I'm not quite sure where we sit? LOL. Great sex, she is ready to ditch the condoms and go on birth control (after a mutual std screening first) and she doesn't want cash and doesn't behave like an SB. It's almost as if she is behaving like a long distance GF that knows better than to outwardly apply the term, but has mentioned that we should be 1 on 1. I'm along for the ride and enjoying the scenery LOL.

The last SB that wanted to take things further wasn't able to handle the terms. I gave it a shot and made her aware that I will come and go as I please without a "need" to inform or involve. It sounds harsh, but that's why SBs are so awesome (and I won't have my moves influenced by an SB); there is a freedom that comes with privacy and she simply wasn't able to handle it. Maria, in this case seems to completely understand the terms and doesn't want anything from it. Like I mentioned, interesting and fun but each step forward is with caution.

[WyattEarp]

Well I do hate the word monger because it's a complete misuse of the word. Monger means to market / sell. And I'm buying not selling! So yeah def not a monger. But I like the term girl enthusiast and I think that describes me well.

I always found the UK term "punter" intriguing. I don't know if it is considered very derogatory when used in the ISG sense.