Seeking Arrangements

[AmericanPi]

Your first FKK!

It was life changing for me.

The first time. After that it's like your second time to Disneyland. Good but the magic doesn't have as much pixie dust.

Enjoy every minute. It's not often as adults you get true first times of things. And FKK is def a unique experience.

I've thought back on this multiple times and my little head never encouraged me to make the move. There is usually a feeling that propels you forward to touch her, kiss her or pull her to you, either to be welcomed or rejected, but even that didn't happen. I literally had nothing at all. I've only felt this feeling with girls that I didn't find attractive. Perhaps there was something about her that really rubbed me the wrong way subconsciously? IDK.

I'll be in EU in the next few weeks and I intend to get the FKK experience under my belt. It sounds like it's something to try and from what I've read the girls can be sharks, the sex only okay, and the selection underwhelming; YMMV obv; it sounds super interesting, but at the same time I don't have high hopes. I'm a DFK dude that refuses to pay extra for it (hence why I default to SBs) There are only 2 days that can be used for FKK, so the mission will be to Penelope (near Essen) and Artemis (2 for comparison's sake). If you guys know of any FKKs near Essen that are more worth it than Penelope, I'm all ears and willing to travel about an hour.

The bonus is that I'll be starting the trip with a few days with Maria. Texts from her have become almost daily and she seems to be super excited with my return. TBH, I'm not quite sure where we sit? LOL. Great sex, she is ready to ditch the condoms and go on birth control (after a mutual std screening first) and she doesn't want cash and doesn't behave like an SB. It's almost as if she is behaving like a long distance GF that knows better than to outwardly apply the term, but has mentioned that we should be 1 on 1. I'm along for the ride and enjoying the scenery LOL.

The last SB that wanted to take things further wasn't able to handle the terms. I gave it a shot and made her aware that I will come and go as I please without a "need" to inform or involve. It sounds harsh, but that's why SBs are so awesome (and I won't have my moves influenced by an SB); there is a freedom that comes with privacy and she simply wasn't able to handle it. Maria, in this case seems to completely understand the terms and doesn't want anything from it. Like I mentioned, interesting and fun but each step forward is with caution.

[Steve 9696]

As I wrote in an earlier post, I am also in uncharted waters and I got my camera out taking pictures and making sure not to miss the scenery LOL.

It's all about the experience and the act of exploration. It's awesome that in your travels you have found a girl with an unbelievable sex drive, especially when there are guys out there that have mediocre to bad sex their entire life LOL. That's what amazing about an arrangement / agreement. You define the rules from scratch (nothing pre-existing) and end up with a delightful game to play LOL. LOL. No one is misled, old school definitions can be thrown out the window (GF, mistress, etc) and you can just exist in the new f (x) that you have created.

I know you don't expect exclusivity and you mentioned don't ask don't tell, but are you okay with her having guys over in a place that you foot the bill for (just curious), or is it meaningless as long as you are given supreme priority, leagues above the rest, LOL?

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Yeah def having guys to her place (our place) is a line she should not cross. I've not said it but she surely knows that's a boundary to not cross. I have a key and usually let myself in if she doesn't answer right away. She's an interesting beast and it feels like she's exclusive because she's always available when I ask and she's says "stop by any time honey". In fact I saw her four times a week ago and then a couple times this week including passionate sex two different times this week. It's become much more organic. Def a great new adventure.

Its interesting what u say about the rules. About two weeks ago she was def lower prioritizing me relative to her friends and it felt weird. We are much more bfgf than SBSD so it didnt feel right to say Im paying so u need to do x. I just told her it made me really unhappy that she was prioritizing her friends above me. Well she damn well changed. Shes been all about me ever since. Im not saying its cuz she cares about me more. Shes a smart cookie and knows Im both a BF and a meal ticket. But it def worked to have a talk. All smiles and fucking ever since. The only complaint she has is when I have to cut our time to a couple hours and she begs me to sleepover all the time. First world problems!

[LshRoomer]

Yeah I don't really know the definition. Point was we have moved to a new level in our relationship. Completely new territory for me. Including meeting up and just hanging out, because we can have sex some other day that week (once a week is enough for me on a regular basis). To be clear I don't pay her anything beyond her rent. No extra allowance. Tho I do treat her like a girlfriend like the TV broke and I bought a new one.

At some point I had the don't ask don't tell conversation with her. That I don't expect exclusivity she has a life after all. But if she sees other guys I don't want to know about it. The presumption is this goes both ways. Don't ask don't tell.

As I wrote in an earlier post, I am also in uncharted waters and I got my camera out taking pictures and making sure not to miss the scenery LOL.

It's all about the experience and the act of exploration. It's awesome that in your travels you have found a girl with an unbelievable sex drive, especially when there are guys out there that have mediocre to bad sex their entire life LOL. That's what amazing about an arrangement / agreement. You define the rules from scratch (nothing pre-existing) and end up with a delightful game to play LOL. LOL. No one is misled, old school definitions can be thrown out the window (GF, mistress, etc) and you can just exist in the new f (x) that you have created.

I know you don't expect exclusivity and you mentioned don't ask don't tell, but are you okay with her having guys over in a place that you foot the bill for (just curious), or is it meaningless as long as you are given supreme priority, leagues above the rest, LOL?

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[LshRoomer]

I had an initial lunch date with a SB prospect. She had lots going for her. She told me she about her marriage, her kids, her interests and that she's allowed to play. Went parking for a while and trying to get things happening. Nothing felt natural at all. I dropped her back to her home and texted her after thanks but no thanks.

Maybe the swingers' game is different to the SB / SD game.

I've thought back on this multiple times and my little head never encouraged me to make the move. There is usually a feeling that propels you forward to touch her, kiss her or pull her to you, either to be welcomed or rejected, but even that didn't happen. I literally had nothing at all. I've only felt this feeling with girls that I didn't find attractive. Perhaps there was something about her that really rubbed me the wrong way subconsciously? IDK.

I'll be in EU in the next few weeks and I intend to get the FKK experience under my belt. It sounds like it's something to try and from what I've read the girls can be sharks, the sex only okay, and the selection underwhelming; YMMV obv; it sounds super interesting, but at the same time I don't have high hopes. I'm a DFK dude that refuses to pay extra for it (hence why I default to SBs) There are only 2 days that can be used for FKK, so the mission will be to Penelope (near Essen) and Artemis (2 for comparison's sake). If you guys know of any FKKs near Essen that are more worth it than Penelope, I'm all ears and willing to travel about an hour.

The bonus is that I'll be starting the trip with a few days with Maria. Texts from her have become almost daily and she seems to be super excited with my return. TBH, I'm not quite sure where we sit? LOL. Great sex, she is ready to ditch the condoms and go on birth control (after a mutual std screening first) and she doesn't want cash and doesn't behave like an SB. It's almost as if she is behaving like a long distance GF that knows better than to outwardly apply the term, but has mentioned that we should be 1 on 1. I'm along for the ride and enjoying the scenery LOL.

The last SB that wanted to take things further wasn't able to handle the terms. I gave it a shot and made her aware that I will come and go as I please without a "need" to inform or involve. It sounds harsh, but that's why SBs are so awesome (and I won't have my moves influenced by an SB); there is a freedom that comes with privacy and she simply wasn't able to handle it. Maria, in this case seems to completely understand the terms and doesn't want anything from it. Like I mentioned, interesting and fun but each step forward is with caution.

[WyattEarp]

Well I do hate the word monger because it's a complete misuse of the word. Monger means to market / sell. And I'm buying not selling! So yeah def not a monger. But I like the term girl enthusiast and I think that describes me well.

I always found the UK term "punter" intriguing. I don't know if it is considered very derogatory when used in the ISG sense.

[The Cane]

I also think that they are mixed, but why are you guys assuming that the mix is between Black and White? The question they are answering as mixed is ethnicity. There are other ethnicities besides Black and White, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Hispanic or Latino and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.

It was AmericanPi who made that faulty assumption. For purposes of replying to his specific post on the matter only, I went with that, but obviously all kinds of "ethnic mix" is possible (and actually is). A broader point I make on it now is that so many of the profile pictures featuring supposedly "mixed" women are of women so white in their appearance that if they were trying to hide or deny something, as AmericanPi suggests, then why not just say they're white / Caucasian then? Because nobody would know any different based on their looks. They could "pass" without being questioned. Seems like I may have stirred up a hornet's nest here, but it was a serious inquiry about a phenomenon I'm seeing on SA. And I mean a lot! If it was like only a few profiles here and there OK. But I'm seeing a hell of a lot of them from women who claim to be living in my metro area (saying they're "mixed" but look like Marilyn Monroe LOL), and I was wondering if anybody else had noticed the same thing and had wondered about it like I have. That's all.

[Houston Player]

Well personally I think they are mixed. To me it's the silliest thing in the world that in the US if you have any black at all you are considered black. What nonsense. If a white guy and a black girl get together and have a kid that kid is mixed! African w N European say. To say they are black is patently silly. We dont do this with any other ethnicity. Why this exception?

I also think that they are mixed, but why are you guys assuming that the mix is between Black and White? The question they are answering as mixed is ethnicity. There are other ethnicities besides Black and White, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Hispanic or Latino and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.

[Steve 9696]

I think it may just be a matter of semantics. What really makes a SB a mistress? Does a monthly allowance qualify? In Asian culture, guys with financial means usually tend to keep a mistress. They will pay for the girl's apartment plus monthly allowance, and will visit them when they feel like it. It sounds like the arrangement you currently have right now.

By the way, did your mistress made any request that you stay exclusive with her or maybe she's just okay with you meeting other girls?

Yeah I don't really know the definition. Point was we have moved to a new level in our relationship. Completely new territory for me. Including meeting up and just hanging out, because we can have sex some other day that week (once a week is enough for me on a regular basis). To be clear I don't pay her anything beyond her rent. No extra allowance. Tho I do treat her like a girlfriend like the TV broke and I bought a new one.

At some point I had the don't ask don't tell conversation with her. That I don't expect exclusivity — she has a life after all. But if she sees other guys I don't want to know about it. The presumption is this goes both ways. Don't ask don't tell.

[Ggekko2009]

To start with Shayla is officially my mistress. No more PPM. She's a kept woman. I pay for her place and she is the best girlfriend a guy could ever ask for. Didn't think I'the ever get to this level but 40 Seeking girls later I officially have a mistress.

I think it may just be a matter of semantics. What really makes a SB a mistress? Does a monthly allowance qualify? In Asian culture, guys with financial means usually tend to keep a mistress. They will pay for the girl's apartment plus monthly allowance, and will visit them when they feel like it. It sounds like the arrangement you currently have right now.

By the way, did your mistress made any request that you stay exclusive with her or maybe she's just okay with you meeting other girls?

[Steve 9696]

Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.

Well personally I think they are mixed. To me it's the silliest thing in the world that in the US if you have any black at all you are considered black. What nonsense. If a white guy and a black girl get together and have a kid that kid is mixed! African w N European say. To say they are black is patently silly. We don’t do this with any other ethnicity. Why this exception?

[The Cane]

Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.

Did you actually read what I wrote? You certainly didn't comprehend it. I said that there are women marking themselves as "mixed" who look white as rice, and that there are a lot of them with that kind of look doing it, raising my suspicions about those profiles as being fakes (along with other things I have come to view as fraud indicators). There's no way in hell anybody would look at them and view them as being "actually black" as you put it, thus subjecting them to being weeded out by guys who don't like black women. So, my question is why? What is going on here with these profiles? Why are they doing this? As for myself, and for your edification, I'm not sexually attracted to most black (or Asian) women. The Latinas and the white girls are the ones who float my boat. It's why I've paid any attention to these profiles in the first place. The women look "actually white" to me LOL! Here is an example of what I'm talking about. Does she look "actually black" to you? And there are plenty of others indicating "mixed" whose skin is as white as feta cheese! What's the deal? Doesn't pass the smell test. Something fishy going on here. Hmmm?

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...9-6cedbd948d26

[AmericanPi]

Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.

What's the deal with all of these profiles that I see of allegedly "mixed" women whose pictures are of women who are as white as rice? There are a ton of these types of profiles lately, at least in my corner of the universe. Virtually all of these "mixed race" profiles tend to be very recently established on the site and strike me as being as fake as the assertions of mixed blood being claimed.

[The Cane]

Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.

Was said mostly in jest bro. But the fact of the matter is that Steve is far, far more interested in having "relationships" with these girls than most of us here on this site are. Not a criticism. Just the facts. Fact is, most of us mainly just want to fuck. A lot! LOL! Of course, it's obviously a bit different for a higher percentage of the SA users it seems, of which this thread is all about.

[Steve 9696]

Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.

Well I do hate the word monger because it's a complete misuse of the word. Monger means to market / sell. And I'm buying not selling! So yeah def not a monger. But I like the term girl enthusiast and I think that describes me well.

Despite being lip locked with Shayla, I've notched 36 other girls this year, some multiple times. And I'm going to up that count by at least 10-15 more before the end of the year.

So yeah. I'm a one woman guy when I'm at home. But on the road? Well I'the say my track record speaks for itself. LOL.

[DramaFree11]

Steve you're not a monger. At least a hardcore one you're not. I've always felt this way about you. A hardcore monger needs to think not once, not twice, but at least thrice about even repeating, let alone keeping a woman! Nope, you're no hardcore monger. You only play one on ISG LOL!

Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.