Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Hey Americanpi,

The girls were all 22-26,8+. Thin, spinner, good shape, pretty, and fun. The oldest one just turned 27. That was Maria which was the best in bed by far!! Not one was the experienced elegant type.

I did talk to some 18-22, but none of them made it to WhatsApp for an actual meet. I found them to be less serious and more flighty and unable tk maintain comms. You will have a decent conversation then not hear from her for 10 days. WTF.

The hunger is similar in Madrid. If you brought 350, they would be ecstatic. Right now, it is more than okay to be in the 200/250 range. They are super happy with that. When I get a 200 girl, I usually hit her with 220 240 and that really goes a long way. I've done it about 3 times and each time she was very appreciative.

I'm jealous. You are going to have a great time. Tip - start coms about 2-3 days before landing. The girls are aggressive and ready to meet sometimes the same day. That was my mistake that I started comms about 7 days out. Lost out on some that wanted to rock the same night. That was surprising but very much in line with what I experienced once I arrived.

02.

Next trip is Berlin and Hamburg and a quick stop in Madrid to bang Maria. She asked me to come, even if only for a day or 2.

Safe travels sir.

Qq. I'll be in Germany in the coming months. We are mostly GFE guys here. Is FKK worth a visit for guys that prefer the GFE type of session? Experiences? Advice?

Madrid. OMG. I am traveling to a second tier city in the US and also to Madrid. I've been slogging thru ugly fatties in the US. I mean tons of them. Hoping for a gem. None so far. Pathetic.

Decided to poke Madrid and OMG. Just loaded with pages and pages of fit hottie Latinas. Looks like fucking paradise. I'the planned to do Vive but may have to squeeze in an SA date!

[Steve 9696]

Considering a stopover in London. Anyone used SA there? I'm sure it's higher than most places but any specific experience anyone has?

Will 350-400 pounds be enough to make an 18-23 year old hottie happy? Is that borderline or considered good? Were there lots of available options or did it seem like the girls had all the power?

Please share fellows.

Done SA three times in London and really great each time. Managed to get my first girl for 250. Don't think that will happen anymore. She was amazing. After we hooked up We were going to Zurich together and COVID hit. Boo.

Second time a hot Colombiana. She wouldn't budge off 400. But then she wanted to bring a friend. The original girl was a 9. The friend a 7. But what a time. 5 hours including dinner dancing and room time duo. Wow.

And last is Sarah who's my current girl there. She was set on 400. We finally agreed 400 first night and 300 if we repeated. That worked good. When I flew her to Europe I told her I could only do 200/ day and she was fine with that.

So yeah I think you will do fine with 350-400. Just have to slog thru it a bit as usual!

[AmericanPi]

Thanks for that great perspective.

I have done FKK several times in Frankfurt. Go to one of the granddaddy ones, like Oase north of the city or sharks south.

It's like Disneyland the first time you go. Seriously. It's amazing. It's hard to describe. But like many things each subsequent time you go loses some luster. So really enjoy that first time. Plan to stay all day. Bring lots of cash even if it's not expensive so you're not rationing yourself.

Hey Americanpi,

The girls were all 22-26,8+. Thin, spinner, good shape, pretty, and fun. The oldest one just turned 27. That was Maria which was the best in bed by far!! Not one was the experienced elegant type.

I did talk to some 18-22, but none of them made it to WhatsApp for an actual meet. I found them to be less serious and more flighty and unable tk maintain comms. You will have a decent conversation then not hear from her for 10 days. WTF.

The hunger is similar in Madrid. If you brought 350, they would be ecstatic. Right now, it is more than okay to be in the 200/250 range. They are super happy with that. When I get a 200 girl, I usually hit her with 220 240 and that really goes a long way. I've done it about 3 times and each time she was very appreciative.

[FilthyBeaver]

I was in an FKK for the first time recently and I can tell you that you can pretty much get whatever you're looking for. It just comes down to the chemistry you have with the girl. The larger the place the more chance you'll find what you're looking for. I honestly felt like a lamb being lead to slaughter, the girls know who the regulars are and who the noobs / tourists are. I could literally feel the eyes on me. Turned away several but finally settled on a really cute, sweet tiny Romanian spinner (who also came to me). Totally my type and no real expectations as I don't have any crazy kinks, I just like sex with beautiful girls. DFK all day long and really enthusiastic. When we were done I told her I was going to the hot tub, she asked if she could join me and I didn't have to pay her for her time but most girls want to charge that time against a session. Smart move as she coaxed me back into the room after some time. I had a great time but not sure how I feel about the concept in general. The overt nudity and everything out there (guys and girls) was a bit much for me. Then again I'm the guy giggling whenever I see Germans walking around naked on beaches all over the world. I don't regret going but probably won't rush back.

Next trip is Berlin and Hamburg and a quick stop in Madrid to bang Maria. She asked me to come, even if only for a day or 2.

Safe travels sir.

Qq. I'll be in Germany in the coming months. We are mostly GFE guys here. Is FKK worth a visit for guys that prefer the GFE type of session? Experiences? Advice?

[FilthyBeaver]

Sounds to me like she's become an obligation. Not necessarily a negative obligation but maybe an obligation like some chore involving the development of your kids.

I hit this with one of mine recently. She's nice enough, pretty enough, easy enough but I wasn't feeling it anymore and had some other issues as well. Asked her if we could be friends and go out every now and then. If we end up back at my place she'd get paid, if not she wouldn't but it wouldn't be automatic anymore. She accepted so I'm either an inconsistent backup or she likes me. Probably the former but I'm ok with either.

P.S. Got a similar weird situation with my London girl. I KNOW she has a crush on me. No act. And it feels weird to pay her because honestly I see her more for her than me (Diva girls cost less and are much better in bed). But it feels weird to bring it up. It's not that I don't want to take care of her. But the transactional nature feels weird at this point. Happy to take advice here.

[MiamiBoy1]

Good topic. I think we are complex beings attempting to keep things binary with an agreement with another complex being. So is it illusion or reality. It's neither and both. LOL. It forms into something new based on the two involved. Some girls are able to maintain the adoration in complete fallacy, just like we can game certain girls to bust nuts in them when we have 0 feelings whatsoever. Some girls start with a binary situation (strictly business. $ for outings and sex) and quickly evolve into something that may even be unidentifiable to themselves. That joint complexity is one of the reasons that we say YMMV. LOL.

Arrangements straddle a strange line where once yiu bang a girl more than once, develop a rapport, have good times and good sex, the walls of superficiality can start to break down. I personally love the "bunch of nothing" dates where we go on a 3 hour mission around Berlin looking for the perfect notebook or for the cookies that you had 3 months ago but can't find in any of the stores that are close by. The confines of the money for time and sex does start to disappear, but it remains at the same time. So I say don't f%#k with it. Let it develop into what it will be and ride the wave. It maybe deserves a new category that's not illusion or reality. If she hangs with you initially for $$ but finds that you are another being that she likes, the binary agreement starts to become corrupted at that moment (IMHO). One of my long terms in London called me crying when her grandmother died. In theory, a SD that gives you cash to put it inside you and on your face prob wouldn't be the first person you reach out to for comfort. She didn't want $$, she just wanted someone to comfort her.

A new sb (Maria) told me that she didn't money and clearly shows signs of emotion. It straddles that weird line that I don't know how to define. I've seen some say that if it's money for sex, she is an escort. Not true. Big f $ck at *g difference between the cold illusion of an escort and the possible warm illusion, that maybe ceases to be an illusion, from an SB. Steve's situation is proof. She just wanted to chill and have company. Maybe that's part of her illusion (that has become reality) that she created in her mind - having a cool person to chill with that also helps her out with cash and there are loose emotional ties. Who's to say that it's all a game with false faces, or that it's not?

I don't know. I try not to define it. Just go with that it is or what it evolves into and explore. Just my. 02.

Thanks for joining the dicsussion. Great post! It has happened to me before, when what started as ppm arrangement turned into a friendship with sex included and no money exchange, so we basically had become sex buddies. She knew I would be leaving the country, and we both knew that this type of relationship was nothing serious and would not last long. We had great time together, and no illusions.

I agree with the overlap thing. To me, it is a sweet spot that I always have been looking for. Someone who is interested in me as a person / man in the first place, and considers ppm or travels as a bonus or a perk. If I feel she is only about the money, I consider her a working girl and not interested in dating her. However it is not always easy to figure out her true motivation, you got to know a girl really well, and even then there is always a chance to get fooled.

Also, married guys like Steve are being more realistic, because they know from day 1 that she is a side chick, and will always be. So they set their expectations low. Single or divorced guys, like myself, see this differently, because we are more flexible and open to anything, not necessarily someting serious and long term, or even a marriage, but something we can commit to if we really want.

[Steve 9696]

Yeah shroomer. Pretty much what you said. Like I am remembering twice now the other day that Shayla kept a nice blurry line.

When doing her laundry, I joked "bet not too many sugar daddies help with the laundry” and she said "your my boyfriend silly!" And then later after fucking and using me for her carnal pleasure long after I was done, I said "I like being your boy toy" and she said "your my boyfriend!”

So yeah. Pretty blurry! Not going to try to define it or clarify. Just roll in the awesomeness.

P.S. Got a similar weird situation with my London girl. I KNOW she has a crush on me. No act. And it feels weird to pay her because honestly I see her more for her than me (Diva girls cost less and are much better in bed). But it feels weird to bring it up. It's not that I don't want to take care of her. But the transactional nature feels weird at this point. Happy to take advice here.

[LshRoomer]

I've done this enough to have a maturity about it. I know much of it is illusion. And I'm fine with that. I would prefer she adores me (and damn it seems like it) but it's fine if she's pretending to adore me and I never find out anything to the contrary. That is the key. That you can't tell illusion from reality. In this case ignorance is bliss.

My advice to someone earlier today was DONT FUCK WITH THE ILLUSION. AND TRUTH FUCKS THE ILLUSION. I think I should make a plaque!! You don't want truth! Live the illusion. It's why we are here!

Is it illusion? Shayla and I are due to meet up regular night later this week. I get a text that she just wants to hang out tonight as well. That she misses me and wants the company. She hints that sex is off the table. So this is a pure "I enjoy being with you" visit. She works on her computer. We do her laundry. We go in search of the latest cocktail in a can. Just a whole lot of nothing.

Of course I can't help being horny and eventually get her going enough that it's on. It's late so I try to keep it to a quickie. But after I cum she wants to keep sucking my dick while she vibes herself. Then after some cuddles she pretty much begs me to put it back in so she's filled up while vibing. So we fuck for maybe ten more minutes till I tell her I absolutely have to go. Illusion? Maybe. Do I care? Nope.

Good topic. I think we are complex beings attempting to keep things binary with an agreement with another complex being. So is it illusion or reality. It's neither and both. LOL. It forms into something new based on the two involved. Some girls are able to maintain the adoration in complete fallacy, just like we can game certain girls to bust nuts in them when we have 0 feelings whatsoever. Some girls start with a binary situation (strictly business. $ for outings and sex) and quickly evolve into something that may even be unidentifiable to themselves. That joint complexity is one of the reasons that we say YMMV. LOL.

Arrangements straddle a strange line where once yiu bang a girl more than once, develop a rapport, have good times and good sex, the walls of superficiality can start to break down. I personally love the "bunch of nothing" dates where we go on a 3 hour mission around Berlin looking for the perfect notebook or for the cookies that you had 3 months ago but can't find in any of the stores that are close by. The confines of the money for time and sex does start to disappear, but it remains at the same time. So I say don't f%#k with it. Let it develop into what it will be and ride the wave. It maybe deserves a new category that's not illusion or reality. If she hangs with you initially for $$ but finds that you are another being that she likes, the binary agreement starts to become corrupted at that moment (IMHO). One of my long terms in London called me crying when her grandmother died. In theory, a SD that gives you cash to put it inside you and on your face prob wouldn't be the first person you reach out to for comfort. She didn't want $$, she just wanted someone to comfort her.

A new sb (Maria) told me that she didn't money and clearly shows signs of emotion. It straddles that weird line that I don't know how to define. I've seen some say that if it's money for sex, she is an escort. Not true. Big f $ck at *g difference between the cold illusion of an escort and the possible warm illusion, that maybe ceases to be an illusion, from an SB. Steve's situation is proof. She just wanted to chill and have company. Maybe that's part of her illusion (that has become reality) that she created in her mind - having a cool person to chill with that also helps her out with cash and there are loose emotional ties. Who's to say that it's all a game with false faces, or that it's not?

I don't know. I try not to define it. Just go with that it is or what it evolves into and explore. Just my. 02.

[LshRoomer]

Considering a stopover in London. Anyone used SA there? I'm sure it's higher than most places but any specific experience anyone has?

Will 350-400 pounds be enough to make an 18-23 year old hottie happy? Is that borderline or considered good? Were there lots of available options or did it seem like the girls had all the power?

Please share fellows.

350 is a bit on the high side in my experience. I would lean more toward 250/300 quid. My type is the typical euro type (slim, <25,8+, usually with an accent). Keep in mind that personality is currency as well. If a girl comes across a "different " guy on SA. They sometimes are will to take less money bc they actually like yiu a bit.

There are plenty of options and what's cool is that you will get girls from all over Europe, but not many from Latin America (not my pref). I used to have a long term in London but I would keep an extra one or two in the stockpile.

Girls def did not have the power. Yiu will have to put in your work and you will come across pros and scammers. I personally found more college girls in London than in Germany, Spain, Czech, Netherlands and Poland.

Good luck and report back.

02.

[LshRoomer]

You can't imagine how timely this is. I'm heading to Madrid in 3 weeks!

Can you tell me, were the girls you were pulling of the young and hot variety, or the experienced and more elegant?

I use SA in Mexico and Canada. I usually pull 18-22 year olds that are 8 plus. Beyond that I'm not as interested. Is that what you're seeing in Madrid?

Also, at least in Mexico, they're hungry. Like if I bring 350 dollars to a night, their month is made and they're beyond happy. Do you see the same hunger in Madrid? In Canada I get a little more pushback and holding out for more.

Hey Americanpi,

The girls were all 22-26,8+. Thin, spinner, good shape, pretty, and fun. The oldest one just turned 27. That was Maria which was the best in bed by far!! Not one was the experienced elegant type.

I did talk to some 18-22, but none of them made it to WhatsApp for an actual meet. I found them to be less serious and more flighty and unable tk maintain comms. You will have a decent conversation then not hear from her for 10 days. WTF.

The hunger is similar in Madrid. If you brought 350, they would be ecstatic. Right now, it is more than okay to be in the 200/250 range. They are super happy with that. When I get a 200 girl, I usually hit her with 220 240 and that really goes a long way. I've done it about 3 times and each time she was very appreciative.

I'm jealous. You are going to have a great time. Tip - start coms about 2-3 days before landing. The girls are aggressive and ready to meet sometimes the same day. That was my mistake that I started comms about 7 days out. Lost out on some that wanted to rock the same night. That was surprising but very much in line with what I experienced once I arrived.

02.

Next trip is Berlin and Hamburg and a quick stop in Madrid to bang Maria. She asked me to come, even if only for a day or 2.

Safe travels sir.

Qq. I'll be in Germany in the coming months. We are mostly GFE guys here. Is FKK worth a visit for guys that prefer the GFE type of session? Experiences? Advice?

[AmericanPi]

Considering a stopover in London. Anyone used SA there? I'm sure it's higher than most places but any specific experience anyone has?

Will 350-400 pounds be enough to make an 18-23 year old hottie happy? Is that borderline or considered good? Were there lots of available options or did it seem like the girls had all the power?

Please share fellows.

[AmericanPi]

I'm no psychologist, but it seems like you have a healthy perspective here. You know the difference between fantasy and reality, and that the two are not always mutually exclusive. That they overlap and the best experiences reside in that overlap. But you know what you're doing. You're making a conscious choice to benefit from the fantasy without deluding yourself. Some dudes here talk as though they discovered Narnia and you can't really tell if they understand it's a book, you know?

I've done this enough to have a maturity about it. I know much of it is illusion. And I'm fine with that. I would prefer she adores me (and damn it seems like it) but it's fine if she's pretending to adore me and I never find out anything to the contrary. That is the key. That you can't tell illusion from reality. In this case ignorance is bliss.

My advice to someone earlier today was dont fuck with the illusion. and truth fucks the illusion. I think I should make a plaque!! You don't want truth! Live the illusion. It's why we are here!

Is it illusion? Shayla and I are due to meet up regular night later this week. I get a text that she just wants to hang out tonight as well. That she misses me and wants the company. She hints that sex is off the table. So this is a pure "I enjoy being with you" visit. She works on her computer. We do her laundry. We go in search of the latest cocktail in a can. Just a whole lot of nothing.

Of course I can't help being horny and eventually get her going enough that it's on. It's late so I try to keep it to a quickie. But after I cum she wants to keep sucking my dick while she vibes herself. Then after some cuddles she pretty much begs me to put it back in so she's filled up while vibing. So we fuck for maybe ten more minutes till I tell her I absolutely have to go. Illusion? Maybe. Do I care? Nope.

[AmericanPi]

You can't imagine how timely this is. I'm heading to Madrid in 3 weeks!

Can you tell me, were the girls you were pulling of the young and hot variety, or the experienced and more elegant?

I use SA in Mexico and Canada. I usually pull 18-22 year olds that are 8 plus. Beyond that I'm not as interested. Is that what you're seeing in Madrid?

Also, at least in Mexico, they're hungry. Like if I bring 350 dollars to a night, their month is made and they're beyond happy. Do you see the same hunger in Madrid? In Canada I get a little more pushback and holding out for more.

"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth" - Tyson.

I'm fresh back from about 8 days in Madrid and SA did not fail. I'll try to keep it simple, but with some details and up to date info.

Quick background - Since my last trip, I was able to hook Maria and chat with her a couple times a week over whatsapp for about 3 months (surprised I kept her attention). I also kept up with Lili. She left SA (guys were crazy) months ago; she said that I treated her really nice, so I'm the only one that she still keeps up with from SA.

The Plan - pull 3 additional solid SBs from SA in order to have about 5 total for the week, with the intent to repeat with the best ones. My experience in Madrid has shown that about 20-30% of the girls are quality and serious. The other 70 - 80 will be Pros, greedy (want $$ to meet for coffee), not in the country, want too much money (600 eu / meet), or cancel at the last minute. I had about 9 days, so I went hard on the prowl and it backfired.

Reality - I was a little too successful. Lots of interest from about 8 new chicks and not enough time. Not a bad problem, unless you get sick on day 5 and literally have to cancel all other dates for the remainder of the trip. Frenchie, that I met on Day 1 evening, had the same symptoms as me and got prescribed antibiotics. She offered to come with me to the doctor to help. That was awesome of her, but I went to the doctor myself and yup, was prescribed antibiotics. Before I got sick, I was literally triple booked each day having to pick and choose who to see and who to try to reschedule with. It wasn't supposed to be like this. LOL. I just wanted about 1 secure date scheduled per day, but for some reason, these girls were chomping at the bit. By the time day 4 night hit, I was out of commission until the end of the trip. Lili offered to bring me soup, so did Maria, but I declined. The other girls were writing each evening around 5 or so and it stabbed me in the face having to turn down these beautiful Spanish girls while I stayed at home laying on the couch feeling like dog poop. One girl, Maria #2 knew I was sick and still wanted to come over. I couldn't. Feeling how I felt killed my drive.

My experience in Madrid - 60% will want 250 eu. 25% will do 200 eu, 15% will want more.

Even if I hadn't gotten sick, I did not expect such an aggressive environment where the girls are reaching out everyday to link up; they are remembering and sticking to dates; if you are slow to respond, they write again. I had 2 cancellations. One immediately rescheduled for 2 days later (Maria fell asleep and missed our meetup time) and Frenchie canceled the cancellation (LOL) and called me back an hour later saying, "F it, I'm comfy at home, but I want to see you. Let's do it. Meet me at Gran Via".

Plans fail sometimes, but the experience was awesome the first 3. 5 days (I need more! The rest of the days sucked. I always tell you guys about the wins and the losses. This was a win without a doubt adn the antibiotics and pain meds only cost me 7 euro. WTF. Reports on Maria on the way.

[LshRoomer]

"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth" - Tyson.

I'm fresh back from about 8 days in Madrid and SA did not fail. I'll try to keep it simple, but with some details and up to date info.

Quick background - Since my last trip, I was able to hook Maria and chat with her a couple times a week over whatsapp for about 3 months (surprised I kept her attention). I also kept up with Lili. She left SA (guys were crazy) months ago; she said that I treated her really nice, so I'm the only one that she still keeps up with from SA.

The Plan - pull 3 additional solid SBs from SA in order to have about 5 total for the week, with the intent to repeat with the best ones. My experience in Madrid has shown that about 20-30% of the girls are quality and serious. The other 70 - 80 will be Pros, greedy (want $$ to meet for coffee), not in the country, want too much money (600 eu / meet), or cancel at the last minute. I had about 9 days, so I went hard on the prowl and it backfired.

Reality - I was a little too successful. Lots of interest from about 8 new chicks and not enough time. Not a bad problem, unless you get sick on day 5 and literally have to cancel all other dates for the remainder of the trip. Frenchie, that I met on Day 1 evening, had the same symptoms as me and got prescribed antibiotics. She offered to come with me to the doctor to help. That was awesome of her, but I went to the doctor myself and yup, was prescribed antibiotics. Before I got sick, I was literally triple booked each day having to pick and choose who to see and who to try to reschedule with. It wasn't supposed to be like this. LOL. I just wanted about 1 secure date scheduled per day, but for some reason, these girls were chomping at the bit. By the time day 4 night hit, I was out of commission until the end of the trip. Lili offered to bring me soup, so did Maria, but I declined. The other girls were writing each evening around 5 or so and it stabbed me in the face having to turn down these beautiful Spanish girls while I stayed at home laying on the couch feeling like dog poop. One girl, Maria #2 knew I was sick and still wanted to come over. I couldn't. Feeling how I felt killed my drive.

My experience in Madrid - 60% will want 250 eu. 25% will do 200 eu, 15% will want more.

Even if I hadn't gotten sick, I did not expect such an aggressive environment where the girls are reaching out everyday to link up; they are remembering and sticking to dates; if you are slow to respond, they write again. I had 2 cancellations. One immediately rescheduled for 2 days later (Maria fell asleep and missed our meetup time) and Frenchie canceled the cancellation (LOL) and called me back an hour later saying, "F it, I'm comfy at home, but I want to see you. Let's do it. Meet me at Gran Via".

Plans fail sometimes, but the experience was awesome the first 3. 5 days (I need more! The rest of the days sucked. I always tell you guys about the wins and the losses. This was a win without a doubt adn the antibiotics and pain meds only cost me 7 euro. WTF. Reports on Maria on the way.

[NapataJohn]

And yes $500 has become super standard in the US..

If you say you will meet consistently if you hit it off they drop very easily to 400 and a dinner.