Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

I'm down there every week now for a year and a half for one night, TLN BBFS, with a SB from SA but its getting old. I would rate her an easy 8. I go to HK every now and then. Had a lunch with a smoking hot SB last week, a 10. She is asking $500 and said she would spend 5 hours with me but I doubt it. Its too much as I pay $250 now. Wondering how much to counter with?

Guys have different scales. I had no issues getting the 8 types for $100 or $150 for an hour in Mexico City, and that is usually what I got. The 10 types wanted $500, and two out of three times I paid it, and it was worth it, but that was in Mexico City.

You might want to try an allowance after you first date if you are there every weekend. I would not do this unless there was a 10 type but there were two women, one Venezuelan and one Colombian in Mexico City, that were 10 types and down with my seeing them as much as I wanted if I covered their expenses. One wanted $1200 and the other $1500 per month. That is something to consider if you are there every weekend. Both of these women would be in the $1000 in hour club in NYC.

[AmorPorFavor]

There were not that many women there when I looked, and it is pretty easy for women to work the clubs and make decent $ if they are willing to sell their bodies. The strippers in Hong Kong are a little different than USA strippers in that they come from all over Mexico. I hooked up with a beauty from Puerto Vallarta at HK and she badly wanted to show me her home town. I did not follow up on it, but I think that approach to find beauties would bear much more fruit than SA in Tijuana. I think outside the strip club the women will look at you more as SD and less as a mark but I could be wrong. SA is great in the bigger Mexican cities. I had a friend even score big in Cabo.

I'm down there every week now for a year and a half for one night, TLN BBFS, with a SB from SA but its getting old. I would rate her an easy 8. I go to HK every now and then. Had a lunch with a smoking hot SB last week, a 10. She is asking $500 and said she would spend 5 hours with me but I doubt it. Its too much as I pay $250 now. Wondering how much to counter with?

[Elvis 2008]

Has anybody used SA in Tijuana? Any ideas on what would be the most you should pay for a top shelf chica? Like a easy 9 or 10.

There were not that many women there when I looked, and it is pretty easy for women to work the clubs and make decent $ if they are willing to sell their bodies. The strippers in Hong Kong are a little different than USA strippers in that they come from all over Mexico. I hooked up with a beauty from Puerto Vallarta at HK and she badly wanted to show me her home town. I did not follow up on it, but I think that approach to find beauties would bear much more fruit than SA in Tijuana. I think outside the strip club the women will look at you more as SD and less as a mark but I could be wrong. SA is great in the bigger Mexican cities. I had a friend even score big in Cabo.

[Elvis 2008]

The woman is a 9. 9. Intelligent, beautiful, funny, 5'8", blonde, blue eyes, real breasts, no lip fillers, financially stable and fit as fuck.

That is like my gal. If she was on the NYC escort scene, she would be doing $1000+ an hour like your gal would.

She just turned 28, I know too old for some of you. But, I'm 48.

It is 24 years difference with me and my gal.

Treated her like a personal slave, plus he controlled her income, a very very unhealthy relationship.

Pretty much same deal. She had a bad relationship and swore off men. Covid hit, and she was not as active and got lonely.

No money exchange. Last night we went to eat at Black and Blue, I come out of the bathroom and ask for the check and she had paid. The bill was $620 for 2 people.

Whenever a woman does not take money from a guy on seeking, she wants some kind of real relationship. The second part is that when she paid for the bill she is showing you that she wants to be a partner and not a leech. These are very good signs, and I never got them when I was on seeking and married.

After we are done ravaging each other with her hand massaging my balls, she says to me "how about we be exclusive".

I start sweating, lose 2 shades of my complexion. She says "look, I see the amount of ass you slay."

LOL. This kind of thing always gets me in that men think they are getting away with seeing other women. There are a million tells with both sexes. If the "cheating" is silent, it usually will be tolerated.

With the age thing, everyone has personality types and traits. My top two traits are sensing, how the world is, and thinking, using facts to make decisions. My current girl's top two traits are opposite of mine, feeling and intuition, how the world can be.

I used to put down feelers as irrational and intuitive as unrealistic and with age, it is even easier to put down the traits you prefer not to use. But I know now no matter how smart I am, I will never be as good with feelings or intuition as her. I have no problem now asking someone who is 28 and better at those things for advice, so the age does not matter as much to me now. I no longer expect to be smarter on all things.

As far as people and the age difference, people can easily see if a girl on a guy's arm is in love versus one getting paid.

When I was with my woman, she shed real tears at the end of one of our first trip, and I was like, "Holy shit, this woman is in love with me. " I gave up my fun relationships for a more meaningful one because I knew how rare this was. I will never forget what one female friend said about the fun girls, "Those WG are not going anywhere."

But before I did, I had sex with someone great in bed before I committed and honestly, the sex was no better than I had with my gal. I went to strip clubs twice and made two stunners cum. Both wanted to see me outside the club but one was bipolar and the other was pretty much a sugar baby type pro, and I realized even if the sex is great, inevitably things are going to fade or not going to end well. Been there, done that. The thrill of the hunt for me was gone.

When you are on the hunt, you are always looking for that great next kill. Thing is you forget the no shows, the women who are horrible in bed, the greedy pigs, the fools, the games ETC. Unlike with a new girl, I know with mine, she is going to be there, and the sex will be great. And even though I never minded the spending at the time, I would look after the fact at how much the bills were when pursuing women and would ask myself, "If you had to spend it again, wouldn't you rather have a 100 inch TV (or whatever) versus the money you just spent on these women?" That was not always the case but it was way too often. The amount of money and time we spend pursuing and catching these women is massive.

So Fast, you have to ask yourself are you tired of the bullshit and cost of the chase? Or can you convince yourself you are?

The bonus is as good as your woman has been in bed with you, it will get better when you commit. You think she has nothing more to give but when she truly is your woman, she will really give you all she has. I do not think you can have the best sex with a woman unless there is commitment. They will always hold a little back IMO.

As of now, she knows you and you can be straight with her. If you are afraid that you will stray, tell her that. Tell her you just got out of a painful divorce and not yet ready to settle in. She will tolerate your playing for a while.

I was scared of straying so I asked if she were open for threesomes. She said no, but I do not think it hurts to ask. I would have committed sooner had she said yes.

We have talked marriage but before I even brought up the hard prenup questions, she said, "I will sign whatever you want. " I suspect your gal would do the same. A working woman gets wanting to keep the fruits of labor. A non working woman may not.

If you really have found a great woman, it is probably best to put the energy of the hunt into something else. I was engaged to a different woman who still has the best body of any woman I have been with, and it took me two years of looking really hard to truly find someone in her class. The extreme beauties are not easy to find and even harder to land, and you have to sift through all the ones who are narcissists, bipolar, or just crazy selfish. But to find one who can pay her own way? That is even rarer.

There was a massive 2002 (meta analysis that showed condoms pretty much do not work to prevent STDs. The government tried to bury it, and I have been latex free since reading that study and have not had any issues. Like you, I had an antibiotic / antiviral cocktail I take if I am concerned with STDs and unlike condoms, they really work. Latex is a huge allergen, and I think the notion of calling condom use "safe sex" is foolish. Show her the study and say you will get tested every 3 or 4 months, and I bet she will consider staying condom free.

Every woman has red flags. With my ex, I saw them and naively thought when we were married, they would get better. Of course, they did not. This time, I had a trusted female friend vet my gal and she told me her flaws and I did listen. After that, she said, "But I think she is too good for you. " Hopefully, you will have the same.

[DramaFree11]

I have. Saw a 19 yo tiny little spinner. So cute. And prior time a 21 yo hottie.

I tend to be generous because my biggest fear is cancellations. Like going down there and having nothing to do.

I usually offer 6000 to 7000 pesos, about 300-350 dollars, for dinner and time after, usually 5 hours. This has never been negotiated higher so I assume it's considered very good.

If you don't have global entry don't bother tho. The line to get back to the states can easily be 2-3 hours.

What area in Mexico is this? I usually offer 4000-5000 pesos in CDMX, for 3-4 hours and 2 pops. This works like a charm. I will go to 6000 if they are super hot, 9 or 10. I pay a little less in MTY.

[AsianPursuits]

So she also says "I know you get a lot of messages on SA", I said how does she know, she said there is a forum for woman and they enter a profile, almost like a yelp she said, it's more to weed out stalkers / rapists / fat old fucks / fake pics. I said show me and she said "let's not change the conversation". That was news to me.

Thanks for the good insight into this lady. Did you (or anyone) every get details of this site?

[AmericanPi]

Has anybody used SA in Tijuana? Any ideas on what would be the most you should pay for a top shelf chica? Like a easy 9 or 10.

I have. Saw a 19 yo tiny little spinner. So cute. And prior time a 21 yo hottie.

I tend to be generous because my biggest fear is cancellations. Like going down there and having nothing to do.

I usually offer 6000 to 7000 pesos, about 300-350 dollars, for dinner and time after, usually 5 hours. This has never been negotiated higher so I assume it's considered very good.

If you don't have global entry don't bother tho. The line to get back to the states can easily be 2-3 hours.

[Steve 9696]

But recall that the price was not "my" bid. She threw out $250 per meet. And who was I to disagree? LOL! No, my original budget was going to be $500 per meet. Double what she settled for! Of course, I never told her that. If and when I go forward, I will max at $500 per meet again. And we shall see. Had one hottie talking about $1,000 per meet. Not going to happen!

I'the forgotten that part of the story. What a grand slam home run touchdown game finisher.

But you are all set then. You can def find a top shelf hottie for $500. Just got to weed out all the posers and girls who ask 800-1000. Agree. Wtf? But wade thru all that and you will have urself SA hottie #2!

[AmorPorFavor]

Has anybody used SA in Tijuana? Any ideas on what would be the most you should pay for a top shelf chica? Like a easy 9 or 10.

[FilthyBeaver]

Agree. If you like them enough to see them several times, why wouldn't you treat them like a GF? Even if it's an illusion, the more real it feels the better the experience. I'm all for shows, travel, dinners, etc. But I don't do it with girls who can't hold a conversation or I'm only interested in banging. I like doing those things and having company I enjoy is totally worth it. I'm not much of a gift giver mostly because I hate thinking about what to give them but I own a business that provides services that almost everyone on the planet needs so I also help them out there.

Women love little shit like remembering their birthdays. I couldn't care less about mine, haven't celebrated it since I turned 21.

Some guys might think I'm crazy but I try to treat any SB I get more than one (sex) date with like a long term girlfriend. I always find out her birthday early on and store it with all my other girls. Any girl that I *might* see again or we had a deep connection I send her a CashApp on her birthday. Usually just like $100. I suppose I sent 5-10 birthday presents this past year. I don't honestly do this to get something back. It just feels right with someone you care about.

Am I crazy? Maybe. But I like these girls. And they are always so thrilled mostly because I remembered their birthday. It makes me happy somehow. LOL.

[FilthyBeaver]

I lurk with a profile that isn't paid with no pics. It's not findable or searchable. Once I have a stable of 15 that I'm interested in I'll pay & load pics. It takes me 3-4 mo to get to that number. In the meantime I'm watching for changing locations, pics, and text in the profile.

As for actual communication when I'm paid, I respond almost immediately whenever I can. I'll get a message and if I miss her there's a high likelihood I'll never hear from her again. At least that's my experience.

You are absolutely correct on waste fraud & abuse. It's a cesspool, but I've come to accept the fact that it's the only way I'm going to get introduced to girls I'm actually interested in (and has paid off in spades). I made the mistake of looking for people my own age (I'm still in my 40's) and I swear there were more pics of my grandma than anything else. I loved both my grandmothers but I didn't want to fuck either of them.

I don't follow your response. In the first part of it you say that you watch profiles for several weeks and look to see if there is a change of location. If so, then you will block the profile. That's in line with what I said, more or less, not the reverse. What's the reverse is what you say in the second part, which is that one should strike immediately while the iron is hot. Which makes it sound like you don't advise ever waiting to see if one can notice any funny business with a profile. So which one is it? I just found that there's so much fraud, waste, and abuse on SA that it's worth it to wait a few days (not several weeks) to see if you can catch the person behind the profile moving around all over the place within a short period of time.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for the report. Great fun to read. You however are playing a completely different game than the rest of us. Single, loaded, and attractive. You are using SA as a dating site not a Sugar site. The rest of us are handing out sugar because that's part of the game. If you are not handing out sugar but pulling the hotties anyhow then it's a different game. It's called dating!

Kudos for that. We all wish we could pull hotties for nothing but it's not reality for most of us (married, older, less attractive). But it comes with side effects. If you are fucking several girls — esp bareback — they want and rightfully expect more. They will want more BFGF status and future else why they doing it? And you become a heartbreaker.

Beautiful girls have heart crusher power and some wield it like a weapon. You have been gifted a certain amount of heart breaker power. Wield it wisely Luke, my son! 😜.

[Ilst28]

Holy cow, this is news to me too. Any idea or more info on where this forum would be?

I've been on and off SA for about 3 years now and found some connections. After you look at so many profiles certain keywords and phrases start to stand out. Sometimes whole paragraphs. I always suspected there is some 'coaching' style site out there that these girls are all copying this language from. Some examples:

"I don't care about his age but he's generous enough."

"Someone with the means and integrity to provide for my lifestyle".

"If you can stimulate my mind with conversation."

You get the idea. Not a typical tone or wording that you'd expect to see from so many girls.

I do agree it's getting harder and harder to weed through the nonsense on SA to find those gems and you really have to put in a lot of time to do it.

[The Cane]

So you going to have to raise your bid! But I am very confident you will find your girl if you do so.

But recall that the price was not "my" bid. She threw out $250 per meet. And who was I to disagree? LOL! No, my original budget was going to be $500 per meet. Double what she settled for! Of course, I never told her that. If and when I go forward, I will max at $500 per meet again. And we shall see. Had one hottie talking about $1,000 per meet. Not going to happen!

[Steve 9696]

Your group 4 works well with my baseball home run analogy. You see in baseball there are three bases plus home plate. You want to round the three bases and get to the fourth and final stop of home plate to score a run. And when you finally do score a run on SA, there's so much bullshit you had to wade through rounding those three bases to get to home that it's like you just hit a grand slam home run to win the "game"! It's the bottom on the ninth and we're three runs down, bases loaded, with a full count of three balls and two strikes. Here's the pitch and a swing! Pow! That. Ball. Is. Out of here! Gone! The Cane wins the pennant! The Cane wins the Pennant! The Cane wins the pennant! LOLOLOL! I'm pondering a return. Yes I am. As I told Steve, sometimes I wish I hadn't scored my early success. That way, I could just say that the whole site sucks and write it off for good. I still conclude that it mostly does LOL! But, because I had that initial grand slam, I always think about trying to do it again. And now that the sexual relationship with Abby ended after six months of bareback CIP glory, and now that I have decompressed from that experience and learned more strategies and tactics to use to achieve success, I'm thinking about a return. Yes siree Bob I am!

Love the play by play. Yep that's how it feels! There is absolutely an awesome girl out on SA for you, but the likelihood of finding her for two bills like your last girl is zero imo. You should have high expectations to find another awesome girl. After Thifany, I found Alexa, Kayla, Mika, and Shayla (plus numerous other "very good" girls). But in my experience there aren't gems out there under $400. That's kinda the low bar these days! Even in tier two cities!

So you going to have to raise your bid! But I am very confident you will find your girl if you do so.