Seeking Arrangements

[AmericanPi]

You can't imagine how timely this is. I'm heading to Madrid in 3 weeks!

Can you tell me, were the girls you were pulling of the young and hot variety, or the experienced and more elegant?

I use SA in Mexico and Canada. I usually pull 18-22 year olds that are 8 plus. Beyond that I'm not as interested. Is that what you're seeing in Madrid?

Also, at least in Mexico, they're hungry. Like if I bring 350 dollars to a night, their month is made and they're beyond happy. Do you see the same hunger in Madrid? In Canada I get a little more pushback and holding out for more.

"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth" - Tyson.

I'm fresh back from about 8 days in Madrid and SA did not fail. I'll try to keep it simple, but with some details and up to date info.

Quick background - Since my last trip, I was able to hook Maria and chat with her a couple times a week over whatsapp for about 3 months (surprised I kept her attention). I also kept up with Lili. She left SA (guys were crazy) months ago; she said that I treated her really nice, so I'm the only one that she still keeps up with from SA.

The Plan - pull 3 additional solid SBs from SA in order to have about 5 total for the week, with the intent to repeat with the best ones. My experience in Madrid has shown that about 20-30% of the girls are quality and serious. The other 70 - 80 will be Pros, greedy (want $$ to meet for coffee), not in the country, want too much money (600 eu / meet), or cancel at the last minute. I had about 9 days, so I went hard on the prowl and it backfired.

Reality - I was a little too successful. Lots of interest from about 8 new chicks and not enough time. Not a bad problem, unless you get sick on day 5 and literally have to cancel all other dates for the remainder of the trip. Frenchie, that I met on Day 1 evening, had the same symptoms as me and got prescribed antibiotics. She offered to come with me to the doctor to help. That was awesome of her, but I went to the doctor myself and yup, was prescribed antibiotics. Before I got sick, I was literally triple booked each day having to pick and choose who to see and who to try to reschedule with. It wasn't supposed to be like this. LOL. I just wanted about 1 secure date scheduled per day, but for some reason, these girls were chomping at the bit. By the time day 4 night hit, I was out of commission until the end of the trip. Lili offered to bring me soup, so did Maria, but I declined. The other girls were writing each evening around 5 or so and it stabbed me in the face having to turn down these beautiful Spanish girls while I stayed at home laying on the couch feeling like dog poop. One girl, Maria #2 knew I was sick and still wanted to come over. I couldn't. Feeling how I felt killed my drive.

My experience in Madrid - 60% will want 250 eu. 25% will do 200 eu, 15% will want more.

Even if I hadn't gotten sick, I did not expect such an aggressive environment where the girls are reaching out everyday to link up; they are remembering and sticking to dates; if you are slow to respond, they write again. I had 2 cancellations. One immediately rescheduled for 2 days later (Maria fell asleep and missed our meetup time) and Frenchie canceled the cancellation (LOL) and called me back an hour later saying, "F it, I'm comfy at home, but I want to see you. Let's do it. Meet me at Gran Via".

Plans fail sometimes, but the experience was awesome the first 3. 5 days (I need more! The rest of the days sucked. I always tell you guys about the wins and the losses. This was a win without a doubt adn the antibiotics and pain meds only cost me 7 euro. WTF. Reports on Maria on the way.

[LshRoomer]

"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth" - Tyson.

I'm fresh back from about 8 days in Madrid and SA did not fail. I'll try to keep it simple, but with some details and up to date info.

Quick background - Since my last trip, I was able to hook Maria and chat with her a couple times a week over whatsapp for about 3 months (surprised I kept her attention). I also kept up with Lili. She left SA (guys were crazy) months ago; she said that I treated her really nice, so I'm the only one that she still keeps up with from SA.

The Plan - pull 3 additional solid SBs from SA in order to have about 5 total for the week, with the intent to repeat with the best ones. My experience in Madrid has shown that about 20-30% of the girls are quality and serious. The other 70 - 80 will be Pros, greedy (want $$ to meet for coffee), not in the country, want too much money (600 eu / meet), or cancel at the last minute. I had about 9 days, so I went hard on the prowl and it backfired.

Reality - I was a little too successful. Lots of interest from about 8 new chicks and not enough time. Not a bad problem, unless you get sick on day 5 and literally have to cancel all other dates for the remainder of the trip. Frenchie, that I met on Day 1 evening, had the same symptoms as me and got prescribed antibiotics. She offered to come with me to the doctor to help. That was awesome of her, but I went to the doctor myself and yup, was prescribed antibiotics. Before I got sick, I was literally triple booked each day having to pick and choose who to see and who to try to reschedule with. It wasn't supposed to be like this. LOL. I just wanted about 1 secure date scheduled per day, but for some reason, these girls were chomping at the bit. By the time day 4 night hit, I was out of commission until the end of the trip. Lili offered to bring me soup, so did Maria, but I declined. The other girls were writing each evening around 5 or so and it stabbed me in the face having to turn down these beautiful Spanish girls while I stayed at home laying on the couch feeling like dog poop. One girl, Maria #2 knew I was sick and still wanted to come over. I couldn't. Feeling how I felt killed my drive.

My experience in Madrid - 60% will want 250 eu. 25% will do 200 eu, 15% will want more.

Even if I hadn't gotten sick, I did not expect such an aggressive environment where the girls are reaching out everyday to link up; they are remembering and sticking to dates; if you are slow to respond, they write again. I had 2 cancellations. One immediately rescheduled for 2 days later (Maria fell asleep and missed our meetup time) and Frenchie canceled the cancellation (LOL) and called me back an hour later saying, "F it, I'm comfy at home, but I want to see you. Let's do it. Meet me at Gran Via".

Plans fail sometimes, but the experience was awesome the first 3. 5 days (I need more! The rest of the days sucked. I always tell you guys about the wins and the losses. This was a win without a doubt adn the antibiotics and pain meds only cost me 7 euro. WTF. Reports on Maria on the way.

[NapataJohn]

And yes $500 has become super standard in the US..

If you say you will meet consistently if you hit it off they drop very easily to 400 and a dinner.

[Steve 9696]

I totally agree with these people. Nobody has a right to exclusive poon when they pay for it. Even if one discussed an exclusive relationship I still think that's not a reasonable expectation. You're still a paying lover, and it's delusional to think the money is not the central fact of your participation in the relationship. And the girl can earn more merely doing more of what she did to land you when you're not around. Expecting exclusivity in a sugar relationship is just naive in my opinion.

Steve I'm surprised to see that Shayla is prowling the site. The way you speak of her is in such glowing terms that one would conclude you exist in a relationship that transcends the reality of its origins. I have no doubt she's special and a freak in the sheets, but I wonder if you two are watching the same movie here.

I've done this enough to have a maturity about it. I know much of it is illusion. And I'm fine with that. I would prefer she adores me (and damn it seems like it) but it's fine if she's pretending to adore me and I never find out anything to the contrary. That is the key. That you can't tell illusion from reality. In this case ignorance is bliss.

My advice to someone earlier today was DONT FUCK WITH THE ILLUSION. AND TRUTH FUCKS THE ILLUSION. I think I should make a plaque!! You don't want truth! Live the illusion. It's why we are here!

Is it illusion? Shayla and I are due to meet up regular night later this week. I get a text that she just wants to hang out tonight as well. That she misses me and wants the company. She hints that sex is off the table. So this is a pure "I enjoy being with you" visit. She works on her computer. We do her laundry. We go in search of the latest cocktail in a can. Just a whole lot of nothing.

Of course I can't help being horny and eventually get her going enough that it's on. It's late so I try to keep it to a quickie. But after I cum she wants to keep sucking my dick while she vibes herself. Then after some cuddles she pretty much begs me to put it back in so she's filled up while vibing. So we fuck for maybe ten more minutes till I tell her I absolutely have to go. Illusion? Maybe. Do I care? Nope.

[Steve 9696]

After weeding through a lot of pros, annoying gold diggers, finally found a gem. SA in US requires a lot more patience as advocated by veterans here. Totally agree.

Got a scrap phone for $60+ taxes without ID (activation code was sent to my main phone. So, law enforcement can still get to me if I commit a crime but girls cannot, at least not relativepy easily). Been on the edge about SA membership. Fees goes over $100 but that is the maximum I could get as prepaid card from Target on cash. So, kept with contacts I obtained before landing in US. Too many weeded out.

Finally one gem (a bit older but tall, fit and attractive. Would have been a 9 ten / fifteen years ago but is still a 7). Plan for meet and greet dinner.

Had some food, drinks and conversation heated up. We kind of aligend on 500 ppm (is that normal?

Left restaurant, went for a walk by the beach. Kisses, cuddling, found a dark spot (she has a fantasy of doing outdoors). We had no plans of fucking (only meet and greet) but we ended up fucking. Amazing BJ, she was already wet and I slid it in. Bareback. One of the exciting sex we had. My second at a beach after 10 years.

Apologetically, I did not carry so much cash. And she said not to bother. We will meet again. Think I found a keeper.

That is so awesome. Played just perfectly. Take the momentum of that date straight to the bedroom. Or the beach LOL. The perfect SA date. And yes $500 has become super standard in the US. Based on what you said she must be late thirties or forty. Seems high for that, but damn it doesn't matter. It only matters that you feel it's worth it. Sounds totally true.

[Gfefan]

After weeding through a lot of pros, annoying gold diggers, finally found a gem. SA in US requires a lot more patience as advocated by veterans here. Totally agree.

Got a scrap phone for $60+ taxes without ID (activation code was sent to my main phone. So, law enforcement can still get to me if I commit a crime but girls cannot, at least not relativepy easily). Been on the edge about SA membership. Fees goes over $100 but that is the maximum I could get as prepaid card from Target on cash. So, kept with contacts I obtained before landing in US. Too many weeded out.

Finally one gem (a bit older but tall, fit and attractive. Would have been a 9 ten / fifteen years ago but is still a 7). Plan for meet and greet dinner.

Had some food, drinks and conversation heated up. We kind of aligend on 500 ppm (is that normal?

Left restaurant, went for a walk by the beach. Kisses, cuddling, found a dark spot (she has a fantasy of doing outdoors). We had no plans of fucking (only meet and greet) but we ended up fucking. Amazing BJ, she was already wet and I slid it in. Bareback. One of the exciting sex we had. My second at a beach after 10 years.

Apologetically, I did not carry so much cash. And she said not to bother. We will meet again. Think I found a keeper.

[MiamiBoy1]

Prices have changed, in CDMX. $150, is not going to work. You can get 6.5-7.5, for $200-250. I ask for3-4 hour and 2 pops.

I will not go above $300. The girls from Europe, Venz. And Colombia are going to want $300-500, do not mess with them. If you want European go to Europe it will be much cheaper, same with Colombia. Stick with the locals, much more fun and down to earth. I had an girl ask for $500 today, I just laughed, she was 7.5-8, no way will I pay that in Mexico.

I love CDMX but it has become quite expensive. Prices almost doubled since the pandemic. I prefer Colombia, because from Miami it takes the same amount of time to get there as to get to CDMX, fights cost more or less the same. But everything else is cheaper in Colombia. High end restaurants, housing, girls' rates. 80-100 bucks can get you a 7-8 easily if you don't like to negotiate. Top girls would ask 600 k-1 million cop, that's just above 200 bucks tops. In terms of talent, Colombia beats Mexico, I have said this before, the hottest girls in Mexico are usually not Mexicans, but foreigners. Colombians, Venezuelans, Eastern Europeans and cost 2 x of what you would pay for the same quality in Colombia.

I used to rent a nice apartment on the 23rd floor right on Reforma Avenue for about 1500 bucks a month, now they want 3000-3500. I don't see this crazy inflation in Colombia, and COP is at all times lows.

DF, can't wait for your CDMX trip report though.

[Elvis 2008]

Unless you plan to marry them, it is just your ego being hurt.

I am shaking my head at that. You know two other guys told Miami Boy he had stars in his eyes with these women, and I told them off. Now I have egg all over my face for lecturing them. You are right Aki. It is ego, and I would add he is clueless as to which women may really like him and which ones are solely in it for money. I do not get it. He has all these problems in Colombia that I never had, and maybe it is because he is pushing this, "Do you really like me" agenda. I may not always verbalize it but I start from a position that I cannot control you and you cannot control me and loyalty only matters when we are together. After that, I do not want to know what you are doing and vice versa. I actually think women like this.

Plus, a marriage minded relationship is different. They get expectations and may become jealous.

Exactly, and I even wonder if MB has ever been in a relationship. A men's rights guy took a female profile in match.com and changed the sexes. So instead of a woman saying she wanted a man making $100,000 per year, he said he wanted a woman making $100,000 a year. And he followed it up with good looking, in shape, likes to keep a clean house, has a great sense of humor, and loves to treat me like the prince I am. And you know what the reaction of the women was? They went off on him. There is literally nothing off limits with what women expect from men but how dare men expect anything.

When I went through my divorce and spent my own hard earned money, if I did not tell my wife what I was buying, I was told that was fraud against the community. The money I spent on other women was stealing, but the fact that she got a job not when we were married but the day she filed for divorce was fine. Her sitting on her ass bitching all the time was fine with the law. Hell, she even called the police and complained that I was yelling at her, and she asked them if she had to put up with that, and they told her no. She was shocked when I moved out when she had the police on speed dial trying to get me arrested for an unpleasant tone of voice and to this day, I do not think she or most women see what is wrong with that. If you say something I do not like, you should be arrested.

Even now with this gal, she wants to spend 12 hours a day talking on the phone and the other 12 texting. And women seem to be able to go months or years without having sex but when they are in love, they are hornier than we are. I love sex but unlike them we have limits on orgasms and functional organs. Now it is like, "Okay, let us hold off for a while. I need to breathe."

A comedian did a bit about how indirect women are. He would leave his pants on the floor before going to bed and his wife did not like it. Instead of asking him to pick up his pants, she said, "Whose pants are those on the floor? And he said, "Well, they better be mine. " What he did not mention is that women may start with being annoyed with pants on the floor but what they really mean is you do not love them anymore, you do not appreciate them, and you are probably off seeing other women. If a guy says, "Okay, fine, I will hang my pants up. Jeez." The woman will say you do not understand anything. Yes, being in a committed relationship means you have to read the mind of your female partner and God help you if you cannot.

My current gal was telling me her father was seeing three other women when married and her brother was seeing two women at once. I told my gal that is only half of it. The other part is that the women they originally were supposed to be committed to were probably engaging in emasculating and annoying behavior. If a woman is really sweet and loving, I told her that I do not think men want to risk losing that, but if the men feel badly, they may seek out a woman who makes them feel good. I think she was surprised that I did not just agree with her and say what the men in her family was doing was terrible.

But yeah, if MB were in a committed relationship for 3 months, or maybe more like 2 years for him, he will see the dark side of commitment.

If a woman needs $2000 a month, and I can pay her $1000, and she can get the other $1000 from another guy, why would I not want that? If she is available when I want her (and we can work out a schedule for that), who cares? Being exclusive means you are the exclusive provider, and the woman better be fucking amazing before a guy does that. The way smart men have learned to deal with women and their crazy expectations is not to commit.

[Ggekko2009]

Prices have changed, in CDMX. $150, is not going to work. You can get 6.5-7.5, for $200-250. I ask for3-4 hour and 2 pops.

I will not go above $300. The girls from Europe, Venz. And Colombia are going to want $300-500, do not mess with them. If you want European go to Europe it will be much cheaper, same with Colombia. Stick with the locals, much more fun and down to earth. I had an girl ask for $500 today, I just laughed, she was 7.5-8, no way will I pay that in Mexico.

It is really interesting to see and experience the dynamics of pricing at play here, academically speaking of course. I remember reading about an article from The Economist magazine where they did a research, that actually the more the girl is paid, the less sex that are demanded of them. Kind of like wanting to enjoy the companionship etc etc, not just wham bam goodbye mam.

As you said, I would definitely stick with local girls whenever possible. I would definitely go to Colombia for Colombian girls and ditto for European ones too. I remember being quoted for $800 from a Colombian girl in a bar in Singapore several years back. I laughed and wanted to tell her but held back, I could have eight of her of the same caliber for that price in Colombia. It is also definitely a matter of supply and demand.

[FilthyBeaver]

Stop dwelling on it. At the end of the day she fucks you for money or things. Does she have feelings? We all do. Do the feelings influence her behavior? Probably not. How can you possibly expect that you're the only one? I guarantee there's someone out there with a bigger schlong, more money, better looking, you name it. Akibono is right, check your ego at the door or you'll go crazy.

Others are right, stay off social media, I don't have any so I don't ask. One girl did show me hers once and it had, what I would consider, a ton of guys on it for her age. Didn't bother me a bit, she had a life before we met and I never told her I expected to be the only one (she would not have accepted it anyway). What I was getting from her was worth that price to me.

I don't really believe in exclusivity thing, I agree with DF, if it is exlcusive, then it becomes similar to a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. Would I be able to commit to one girl at a time? I think I would. But since I don't live permanently in the countries I visit and also don't travel with sufficient frequency, like every week or two, I don't think an exclusive agreement would make sense. How can I be sure she doesn't fuck others while I'm away? If I lived in MDE or CDMX, I would definitely look into this, or perhaps, would try to get a real girlfriend.

[AmericanPi]

I totally agree with these people. Nobody has a right to exclusive poon when they pay for it. Even if one discussed an exclusive relationship I still think that's not a reasonable expectation. You're still a paying lover, and it's delusional to think the money is not the central fact of your participation in the relationship. And the girl can earn more merely doing more of what she did to land you when you're not around. Expecting exclusivity in a sugar relationship is just naive in my opinion.

Steve I'm surprised to see that Shayla is prowling the site. The way you speak of her is in such glowing terms that one would conclude you exist in a relationship that transcends the reality of its origins. I have no doubt she's special and a freak in the sheets, but I wonder if you two are watching the same movie here.

Yeah totally get this. I learned early in my journey to move to a don't ask don't tell policy. After my initial amazing week in London with Thifany I got her IG sorta by accident. And I learned that three weeks later she got engaged! Brasileiras eh? Man it was hard to see her all happy with her fiance. I was happy for her but it hurt like fuck. I stopped looking.

After that I made it policy to NOT follow any girls social. You know they are partying and fucking random guys but fuck I don't want to see it! I've been much happier..

[DramaFree11]

Guys have different scales. I had no issues getting the 8 types for $100 or $150 for an hour in Mexico City, and that is usually what I got. The 10 types wanted $500, and two out of three times I paid it, and it was worth it, but that was in Mexico City.

You might want to try an allowance after you first date if you are there every weekend. I would not do this unless there was a 10 type but there were two women, one Venezuelan and one Colombian in Mexico City, that were 10 types and down with my seeing them as much as I wanted if I covered their expenses. One wanted $1200 and the other $1500 per month. That is something to consider if you are there every weekend. Both of these women would be in the $1000 in hour club in NYC.

Prices have changed, in CDMX. $150, is not going to work. You can get 6.5-7.5, for $200-250. I ask for3-4 hour and 2 pops.

I will not go above $300. The girls from Europe, Venz. And Colombia are going to want $300-500, do not mess with them. If you want European go to Europe it will be much cheaper, same with Colombia. Stick with the locals, much more fun and down to earth. I had an girl ask for $500 today, I just laughed, she was 7.5-8, no way will I pay that in Mexico.

[DramaFree11]

Yeah totally get this. I learned early in my journey to move to a don't ask don't tell policy. After my initial amazing week in London with Thifany I got her IG sorta by accident. And I learned that three weeks later she got engaged! Brasileiras eh? Man it was hard to see her all happy with her fiance. I was happy for her but it hurt like fuck. I stopped looking.

After that I made it policy to NOT follow any girls social. You know they are partying and fucking random guys but fuck I don't want to see it! I've been much happier.

Actually my home girl Shayla who I am smitten with. I've accidentally run across her active on Seeking a couple times. So she's still on the prowl for one reason or another even tho I think I meet her every need. Did not like that feeling! I have changed my location so she doesn't come up anymore. I've def caught feelings and don't ask don't tell is the only way to mitigate that.

Great Point about Social Media. I do the same, I do not want to know!!

[Akibono]

So I guess I should counter offer with $400 and no lower?

What you are asking is does a girl have a bottom line? It depends on her prospects and expectations. If you pay above the market rate, you have leverage. If she expects a certain income for a lifestyle she will always try trading up. Like a auction, you ask yourself what is worth more, the extra 100/200 or the chance she will not be available to you. I find that the best girls are worth the high price because they are rare.

[Akibono]

How do you guys deal with situations when your SB dates someone else or has an arrangement with someone else when you are away? Every time I find out my SB fucks somebody, I go nuts. I understand that she is techically free to do whatevere she wants, because my arrangements are not exclusive (no monthly or weekly allowance, just PPM) and while I'm away she needs to pay her bills, have support, be taken care of and be loved / fucked. At the same time, I become super jealous and there is nothing I can do about it. I think the reason this is happeing is because I often, if not always, catch feelings for them. I'm not talking real true love. I'm talking affection, care, friendship, emotional connection. Every time I meet a seeking girl I do my best to make her my regular SB, someone I could see on a regular basis or during my future trips. I have always been traveling to pretty much same countries and cities just because I want to see the girls I had met prior. I try not go hunting unless I really have to and prefer to rely on a few girls that I met before rather than chase new ones. Once I'm away, my SBs don't stay alone for a long time, someone always grabs them. Some girls continue to date guys from Seeking, others find a boyfriend. When I'm away I usually keep in touch with them, especially if I have another trip planned soon. I also follow them on social media, so I have a good idea where they have been and what they been up to..

Unless you plan to marry them, it is just your ego being hurt. Plus, a marriage minded relationship is different. They get expectations and may become jealous. I remind myself that I am getting the best years of their life. So, what I pay is cheap. If you have a perishable commodity, you use it while you can. It doesn't last long and the smart girls know this. Enjoy and do not look back.