Seeking Arrangements

[FilthyBeaver]

By family I mean siblings, mom & dad, & cousins. I'm young enough and fortunate enough to have both parents with me (and still married), I'm multi-national and have cousins in other parts of the world. I cannot stare into a fuckin screen and talk to somebody. It's weird. I'd make a horrible porn star, newscaster, or onlyfans moron; fortunately I have other talents.

I want a girl to meet me in person, the serious ones all feel the same way. I live in a very large coastal city so there's no shortage of like minded girls or girls willing to play by my rules when it comes to setting up a relationship. I'm not unreasonable. Public place (that they pic), I'll send them a pic of my license plate and a pic just before I hop in the car to meet them. The gems have always met within a day of first contact. They don't want to be there any longer than we do.

Why no video calls? I thought you said you were single (so don't follow the family comment)? I didn't do any when I was active on the site, and I don't think I would ever do one using that function on SA, but I was open to it via some other means. In fact, there was one I was talking to who claimed she was interested in video introductions first, but she kept flaking on setting anything up, so I finally blocked her ass for wasting my time! But, it would seem to me that a video call would be a good screening mechanism since I would think most scammers (most but not all) would not want to go there in order to keep their identity hidden. Can anybody here with direct experience weigh in on this topic?

[WyattEarp]

I've had a girl tell me as much. A guy her age can't take her to nice dinners and is far less mature than a girl of a similar age.

I don't know. I heard this all the time when I was a young man. Didn't really believe it.

I think when girls are young they are attracted to immature guys. The kind that are into having a good time. Then some figure out that these twentysomething guys aren't serious about anything. However, many attractive women aren't interested in putting in the time with a young hard working, up and coming guy.

Steve has often mentioned that many of the SA girls don't have their shit together. So what makes them mature? They need a guy who has his shit together and has some money.

[The Cane]

I will not do video calls, I don't do video calls with family. It will be a physical meet in a public place or forget it.

Why no video calls? I thought you said you were single (so don't follow the family comment)? I didn't do any when I was active on the site, and I don't think I would ever do one using that function on SA, but I was open to it via some other means. In fact, there was one I was talking to who claimed she was interested in video introductions first, but she kept flaking on setting anything up, so I finally blocked her ass for wasting my time! But, it would seem to me that a video call would be a good screening mechanism since I would think most scammers (most but not all) would not want to go there in order to keep their identity hidden. Can anybody here with direct experience weigh in on this topic?

[Gfefan]

I fly in my favorite from Barcelona.

And we have the best time. No money talks. No transactional experience.

But, I started flying her in only after I knew her and she knew me.

Yeah I'm done flying in girls like that, that wasn't such a smart move I know.

As for trying SA in multiple cities, well that's because I'm going to each of these place. I'm a software engineer, I do remote work half the week so basically I try to go to a different place each week in the summer.

For Dubai, I'm starting to think those rich arabs ain't even on this website, probably they're directly using Instagram to hit on the insta-models or use some kind of agency / broker with access to the top models.

I live in Paris so that's where I'm the most but I find it pretty unreliable so far. And also competing with a shit ton of very rich french people: the.

[SethiatSpace]

Hey,

A piece of advice for you. Don't fly girls in, if you never met them in person. Or if you do, be ready they will be no show, and be ready to lose the money you spent on airfare. And don't book a hotel in advance, do it once she lands. If you decide to book a flight for her, buy a one-way ticket. Yeah, a roundtrip ticket is probably a bit cheaper, than buying two separate one ways, but not always, and if she doesn't show up your loss is 40-50% less.

It looks like you are trying SA in multiple cities across Europe, what's the point? Focus on 1 city at a time. Let's say you are planning a trip to Helsinki. Start contacting girls from Helsinki a week or two prior to your trip, and line up your dates in advance. Do your homework before you go, not once you land. The more dates you schedule the better, because some girls will flake, and you always need to have a backup. Or better yet, focus on the city you live in, or the city you spent a lot of time in (Paris? Dubai?) and work the shit out of them. Meeting local girls saves you the money you would spend on airfare, hotels, etc. I know Dubai market is tough, you are competing with rich arabs who pay premium for slim Eastern European hotties, but don't give up just yet. Keep pushing, message every single girl you like in your area, and see what happens. And if this doesn't work, maybe it is a good idea to start exploring other cities, not necessarily in Europe. But again, 1 city at a time, and do you homework prior to your trips. SA sucks in the USA, but we go to Mexico, Colombia, Thailand, etc and have fun there. I hope you will find your own pussy paradise).

Yeah I'm done flying in girls like that, that wasn't such a smart move I know.

As for trying SA in multiple cities, well that's because I'm going to each of these place. I'm a software engineer, I do remote work half the week so basically I try to go to a different place each week in the summer.

For Dubai, I'm starting to think those rich arabs ain't even on this website, probably they're directly using Instagram to hit on the insta-models or use some kind of agency / broker with access to the top models.

I live in Paris so that's where I'm the most but I find it pretty unreliable so far. And also competing with a shit ton of very rich french people: the.

[DramaFree11]

Hey,

A piece of advice for you. Don't fly girls in, if you never met them in person. Or if you do, be ready they will be no show, and be ready to lose the money you spent on airfare. And don't book a hotel in advance, do it once she lands. If you decide to book a flight for her, buy a one-way ticket. Yeah, a roundtrip ticket is probably a bit cheaper, than buying two separate one ways, but not always, and if she doesn't show up your loss is 40-50% less.

It looks like you are trying SA in multiple cities across Europe, what's the point? Focus on 1 city at a time. Let's say you are planning a trip to Helsinki. Start contacting girls from Helsinki a week or two prior to your trip, and line up your dates in advance. Do your homework before you go, not once you land. The more dates you schedule the better, because some girls will flake, and you always need to have a backup. Or better yet, focus on the city you live in, or the city you spent a lot of time in (Paris? Dubai?) and work the shit out of them. Meeting local girls saves you the money you would spend on airfare, hotels, etc. I know Dubai market is tough, you are competing with rich arabs who pay premium for slim Eastern European hotties, but don't give up just yet. Keep pushing, message every single girl you like in your area, and see what happens. And if this doesn't work, maybe it is a good idea to start exploring other cities, not necessarily in Europe..

Exactly, keep it simple. Focus on one city. The times I have attempted to fly girls in, that I have not met in person, has been a big waste of money and time.

[AsianPursuits]

I'm a Tech Lead in Software engineering working in a startup in Paris. I also do cryptomining, for which I have my own YT channel.
I'm a smart and respectful man so I expect the same from you. Love to laugh and joke.
I speak four languages and I've traveled extensively so fear not, there will be at least one subject to talk about..

Most SBs are going WTF is a tech lead. Like for my iphone or something. Most of those things do zilch for a SB. Try lightening it up a little.

Respectful guy that likes to laugh and joke. Comfortable with a long lunch and drinks after a hard days work. Absolutely looove to travel and would love sharing stories of exotic places.

[FilthyBeaver]

Not sure if I missed it but why are you looking for girls all over Europe? If you're looking any further than 50 miles /100 km you're just setting yourself for a bunch of time wasters and scammers.

I am very average, short, mostly fit, and very intelligent. I also have money I'm willing to spend (waste) on these endeavors. I'm also single (divorced late 40's) so I'm not sneaking around; they come to the house and see I'm legit. Profile is very long has a lot of detail, about me, what I want, what I don't want, and some humor. Real girls like that shit, the pros don't because it takes time to read and time is money. I get tons of real girls responding to me. Someone said it back a few posts, I think the non-pros secretly want a BF but society, friends, family whatever make this taboo. I've had a girl tell me as much. A guy her age can't take her to nice dinners and is far less mature than a girl of a similar age.

I am not white but I prefer very young white girls and I am juggling two right now (was three a few nights ago but I officially cut it off with her). You'd be shocked at how many girls contact me and say something to the effect of "I know you said you don't like large girls but I'm hoping you'll make an exception for me because. " They know I took the time to write a bunch of crap that they become emotionally invested in and they try to reason with me. The pros ignore everything and they are really easy to identify. Instant phone numbers, professional photos, poor grammar and spelling, it goes on and on. If I'm interested and there's any doubt whatsoever I'll ask them to take a picture touching their nose or next to a kitchen appliance. The real ones who are interested in me get a good laugh out of it and have no problem. The catfishers and scammers disappear really fast. Either way I spend no more than 5 min or 5 messages talking to somebody before I figure out why they're there.

They deal with the same shit we do. I met a girl in Germany last year who was scammed by a guy in person. He sent her the money via whatever app, they had sex, and she found out later that the transfer was somehow fake. She told me she was only a little upset because the guy was really attractive. Go figure that one out.

I will not do video calls, I don't do video calls with family. It will be a physical meet in a public place or forget it. FWIW the last several first meets have all ended at my place. I'd like to think I'm handsome and charming but they see that I'm real, genuine, and reliable (and not disgusting to them) and that's all they want. Why you would want to confuse this with border crossings, passports, taxis, etc is beyond me.

It's true, all is subjective. But it's kinda hard to be charming and attractive when the conversation never go further than a few text messages on SA and no meet.

[MiamiBoy1]

Continuing on my experience with SA, in no random order.

Yeah, fuck SA, I'm going back to Dubai alone and hit the clubs.

Hey,

A piece of advice for you. Don't fly girls in, if you never met them in person. Or if you do, be ready they will be no show, and be ready to lose the money you spent on airfare. And don't book a hotel in advance, do it once she lands. If you decide to book a flight for her, buy a one-way ticket. Yeah, a roundtrip ticket is probably a bit cheaper, than buying two separate one ways, but not always, and if she doesn't show up your loss is 40-50% less.

It looks like you are trying SA in multiple cities across Europe, what's the point? Focus on 1 city at a time. Let's say you are planning a trip to Helsinki. Start contacting girls from Helsinki a week or two prior to your trip, and line up your dates in advance. Do your homework before you go, not once you land. The more dates you schedule the better, because some girls will flake, and you always need to have a backup. Or better yet, focus on the city you live in, or the city you spent a lot of time in (Paris? Dubai?) and work the shit out of them. Meeting local girls saves you the money you would spend on airfare, hotels, etc. I know Dubai market is tough, you are competing with rich arabs who pay premium for slim Eastern European hotties, but don't give up just yet. Keep pushing, message every single girl you like in your area, and see what happens. And if this doesn't work, maybe it is a good idea to start exploring other cities, not necessarily in Europe. But again, 1 city at a time, and do you homework prior to your trips. SA sucks in the USA, but we go to Mexico, Colombia, Thailand, etc and have fun there. I hope you will find your own pussy paradise).

[SethiatSpace]

Hey guys,

Sometimes I feel like I'm coming from another planet and miss some of the basic stuff. Clearly, I need a manual for SA when I compare my terrible experience with yours, guys.

Continuing on my experience with SA, in no random order.

- Riga: So this one is. Interesting. For lack of a better word. I got one hit from a girl. She said we could meet and asked to switch to Telegram quite quickly. On Telegram, she sent immedialy videos of her (from her insta, a bit later on the subject), and one in her underwear. And she says, I quote "We can have drinks before if you want. If All you want is sex that's totally cool too (kinda even prefer that). We can discuss what you like and want to receive and how much are you willing to pay for it". So you can't be more direct than that, and ofc I imagine she is actually a pro. She later even goes on "how much are you willing to pay me and what I would have to do to get more". That's. Quite something to read. At that time I was pissed off from SA and just read about prices in Spain so I tell her girl in spain go for 200 to which she replies "In Latvia you can get maybe a super ugly for that price". Or I could get a russian escort in Paris better looking but that's another subject. She then says 300 is her absolute minimum. The next day she asks me again what I decided, to which I reply ok let's go for 300. She is willing to come to my hotel if I'll pay her Bolt when we meet. And then she goes with the weirdest comment "Haven't done this and never will again. Just need 400 for my rent". Which baffles me at that time, you're the one talking about sex, what you have to do to get more and immediately sent me a video of you in your undies. And she says she kinda need the money today to pay rent, to which I'm laughing. But I shouldn't have. I was with a friend so I decided to postpone to the next day, even if the girl was willing to come exactly at that moment. We keep chatting until the next day, and her tone changed. She was much more friendly. We were supposed to meet at 6 pm. I wrote to her in the morning, no answer. Asked again in the afternoon, she wrote "I can't. I'm sorry. Will find a different way to get money". I was not expecting that. And her Telegram had her full name (I actually found her Insta) so from thinking she was a pro, I ended up thinking she was an amateur who got in way over her head. Not a pleasant experience overall and not sure how she would have been in the bed. Probably she would have hated me from her soul.

-Dubai: only pros. Either straight escorts or even agencies. Worse, these agencies give the phone numbers to other agencies! I've had random russian number just contact me out of nowhere, pretending to be from SA. Then when I asked what is the SA profile, the "girl" said she got it from someone else. What the heck!

Non-agency girls all want 3 k+ and you're far from guaranteed to see the girl from the pics.

-Tbilissi girl: ok you know how the saying goes? "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. ". So I got a hit with this girl from Tbilissi. Says she'd love to travel blabla. She seemed nice enough. Switched to Telegram, wasn't pushy or anything. For some reason at one point she send a pic of her passeport (Now I think this is a big red flag). I supposedly learned from my mistake with the "italian girl" so I asked for video call and sure enough, it's the girl from the pics. We keep texting from time to time, sometimes she would send pics of her or a video. I tell her let's go to Dubai then. And again, since I (thought) I learned, I said I'll book this time. So I do, send her the tickets, she is super happy blabla. I book the sofitel in JBR. Once we get closer to the trip, she says she needs money for the taxi to the airport + PCR test. Now this doesn't seem crazy as a request and so far all seemed ok. But she says she needs 100, which is a crazy amount for Georgia. Real price would be probably 30 for both PCR and taxi. I tell her no, that's too much but she can have 50, which is more than enough. Then the day later, I ask her if she did the PCR, which she says yes. And then it's time to make the checkin for the flight. I ask her to confirm the information. She replies 2 h later, saying she just woke up and need some time. And that's the last I heard of her. So flghts ticket lost + booking for Sofitel (I ended up booking Capitol Hotel as Sofitel is not green). Fuck me. This time I tried to do things in a smarter way, but still got scammed haha.

- UK girls: got many messages from girls looking for "online arrangement" first before switching to real meet. Waste of time obviously, they all just want to sell their crappy pics and that's about it. Too bad, one of the girl was smoking hot but it's probably not even her.

- Romania: most of the girls didn't answer even after reading. One girl had a model look, asked for 1 k euros. Damn. I countered with 500, which is already plenty of money everywhere and even more in a place like Romania (no offense to Romanians). She said no less than 700. I didn't bother to reply and neither did she. I'm again baffled. Since when is 500 not enough for these girls, do they all have golden pussy syndrome?

Another girl says she is willing to meet, but she is from another city far. Red flag. Says she is willing to come, but needs 150 for gas + 200 for date. And I need to send her the 150 by Paypal because she is a poor student and can't pay for the gas herself. Double red flag, no girl asks for 200 first, and 150 gas, where are you coming from, the moon? I tell her she can come and I will pay her the gas or she can GTFO. She says she can't and maybe she will ask her mom and blabla. Pure scammer. And she did send a verification video but I guess you can't trust anyone. Also so far all the romanian girls I managed to talk to have been 100% lying scum.

- Paris: still looking, a colossal waste of time so far. Two slightly better hits, one from a german student. Wanted 300 for a dinner where we could talk, skipped. The other girl, now this is even more fun. I'd guess Russian. She seemed friendly enough on SA, switched to WA. Said she wanted to meet first for coffee before talking about anything serious. Good, first girl to say that. Now keep in mind I have my pics on SA and all the data (height, weight, etc) is true to the T. So her nickname is Emily so I just play it "cool" and tell her let's do the Emily in Paris shit and go to a famous Parisian caf where she went. She agrees to it, I arrive first. She comes a few minute later, calls me, I wave to her, she looks at me and I can see a digusted look. LOL, nice. Keep in mind I'm 35, tall (1 m87), fit, and average+ looking, well dressed. So I may not be her type but she really seemed surprised (again, she saw my photos). We just say hi, go inside, start to look for a table but after 10 seconds, she says to me she need to go and just leave. Now that's quite an experience, getting live-ghosted by a 24 yo looking for a daddy. Interesting how these girls seem to want all. They obviously deserve only the best looking rich guy ready to shower them because they have better than average look and a pussy. "I know my worth"...

Today got a message from a girl from Lisbon, says she is super model blabla. Now get that, she wants for PPM no less than 2 K euros PLUS a gift. Get the fuck out of here!

- Girl from Helsinki: Wrote to me, told me she'd like to travel to Paris / Dubai. Now this 19 yo girl from a shit third tier city in Finland wants all flight expenses paid, 3 k AND her own hotel room. LOL? What kind of arrangement is that, I should pay around 5-6 k so she can have herself a nice trip to Dubai and Paris. And on my side, I get to enjoy the conversation skills of a 19 yo and that's it? My god is everyone on this website delusional.

Yeah, fuck SA, I'm going back to Dubai alone and hit the clubs.

[SethiatSpace]

+1 on that. Very subjective. How do you carry yourself?. What is your energy? Is your personality charming and attractive?? All factors. I'm not white and have had tons of success all over Europe, including Czech Rep, Romania, Poland, etc. 0 race related issues with SA girls!

It's true, all is subjective. But it's kinda hard to be charming and attractive when the conversation never go further than a few text messages on SA and no meet.

[SethiatSpace]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam.

I suppose it's different everywhere, as I said. But I don't generally try to open with an offer of meetup. I usually pick something from their profile to start a conversation around and discuss mundane topics. If they won't engage in the convo then they are not for me.

Thanks for the advice. I'm definitely skipping platonic meet and greet, especially paid. Ain't nobody got time for that.

As for opening with a meetup, I don't do that in Paris as I know there is more time but in all these EE countries (and Helsinki), girls barely answer. By the time I would get an answer for the first message, I would have left the country. I've had girls write to me now for trips from three weeks ago. And these were the girls who were online the day I sent the message.

[SethiatSpace]

First, as you know you but broke the rule that you should not be sending anyone money.

Second, do you have pictures on your profile? Doesn't have to be public, can be private. Also, maybe you post your profile statement here. Could you post some of your introductory messages?

SA is a lot of work. It's a game of numbers. For the non-pros it requires more game. For the pros-and professional SBs it requires no game. When a woman responds with let's meet, number right away with no pic request you know she is a pro.

If you have pics, what kind are they? Does it show that you are a professional, cool etc that would hit the democratic you are targeting? An example, I have pics that connect me to my profession (but can't tie to my actual company), at the beach, at nightclubs / bars etc that they can see if we have something in common. The sub 30 woman always comment on my fit sets which I know makes them more amenable to connecting.

Even the ugly girls get a ton of messages I'm sure. I have seen how many messages these 8+ woman get per day and it's amazing.

Also, some areas may not be good for SA and better to just go pro. I'm on my way to Seattle and have had a great response, but I'm not sure if these women are as attractive as other areas to warrant the time and money and may go pro. They sure seem DTF though and message very quickly.

Yeah I do have pics on my account. I'm not married and I'm noone important so I don't care at the moment. Pics are a bit of everything, one face pic, a few high end places (think emirates palace, infinity pool in mountains, .) and some exotic / adventurous pics (northern lights, .).

I've cut most of my description as I really don't care anymore. Basically it goes like this now:

I'm a Tech Lead in Software engineering working in a startup in Paris. I also do cryptomining, for which I have my own YT channel.
I'm a smart and respectful man so I expect the same from you. Love to laugh and joke.
I speak four languages and I've traveled extensively so fear not, there will be at least one subject to talk about..

Pretty basic I know but don't care too much and I don't think girls read it anyway.

I agree with you, location is probably everything and boy does it suck in mainland Europe.

[SethiatSpace]

Done it 4 times in the last 4 months, and each time the girl has showed up and everything has went smoothly. Just back from Venice with a legitimate Serbian model, so its possible, but privacy with these girls is incredibly important.

Nice report, I like your method. But as I understand, you're only going with Venezuelan girls living in Europe, which loses the appeal of discovring the local talent. Except for that trip to Venice with that Serbian model?

"Like I said previously if the girl is no show, I would only have lost $100 on flights".

But you'd still have lost the price of the flight tickets, right?

[NapataJohn]

Yes, make sure you Video Chat, this eliminates a lot of scammers.

I find that if I ask for video chat they ask me to also show up on the video and I am uncomfortable with that as I had prior bad experiences. Prefer doing meet and greet in a bar and if things go well hit up a hotel nearby.