Seeking Arrangements

[Ggekko2009]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?

Steve, these days people are reporting 200 euros an hour for FKK in big cities like Frankfurt and maybe there might still be 100 euros in other areas like NRW. I will not be surprised if the base ppm is in the 500 range.

If I can get a good overnight experience with local German girl, I think it is still worth it. Just my 2 cents.

[FastMdSter]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?

500 euros was average for Germany last month.

[Steve 9696]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?

[The Cane]

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is more prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more prevalent in Eastern Europe.

Several years back, I was in Germany doing my FKK tour. These clubs at NRW like Golden Time, which had since been burned down, usually had these steel gates in front of their entrance that are closed. To enter, you need to be buzzed in after the bouncer get to see who you were first. There were like middle eastern looking guys that were consecutively denied entry, while I was just waved through the entrance. For reference, I am Asian. Later I learned such discriminations were common for middle eastern and black guys. Now this is Germany, a supposedly liberal European country. Imagine a less tolerant and less diverse Eastern European countries.

And your suspicions would be correct. Race and nationality both can factor in and have a lot to do with it. That's why it's best to be clear about that upfront on SA, and to have a picture you can share, even if you keep it hidden. That way no wasting anybody's time. And as to Golden Time? Good riddance! Karma is a *.

[Ggekko2009]

I really wonder how much of a factor the Middle Eastern look is to your experience. I also have a bit of an Arab / Indian look and I am beginning to wonder if there is an element of European girls not being very open to non-Caucasian males.

I also haven't had much luck in UK and Europe. In Istanbul (where there's clear racism and dislike towards Arabs) a girl came to meet me at my hotel bar. She wasn't open to sex, so she said just kissing and playing for like 30 minutes. I told her 200 Euro's (I know it's a stupid price but just wanted to experience it for the sake of it). She said no she wants 600 Euro's. I said no and she left. So she ended up with nothing when she could have bagged an easy 200 Euro's which is a lot of money for Turkey.

Hahaha Make it make sense?

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more so in Eastern Europe.

Several years back, I was in Germany doing my FKK tour. These clubs at NRW like Golden Time, which had since been burned down, usually had these steel gates in front of their entrance that are closed. To enter, you need to be buzzed in after the bouncer get to see who you were first. There were like middle eastern looking guys that were consecutively denied entry, while I was just waved through the entrance. For reference, I am Asian. Later I learned such discriminations were common for middle eastern and black guys. Now this is Germany, a supposedly liberal European country. Imagine a less tolerant and less diverse Eastern European countries.

[Steve 9696]

I second your comment about Max. Had the pleasure of him as a wingman in SP. Awesome guy.

BTW Steve, your mailbox is full. Can't reply to your pm.

What we want to hear from all our girls!128514;.

[SocratesNY]

Hey man. Thanks for the props. But you are in fact the best wingman ever, leaving me with two hotties when there was def enough for us both. LOL.

May be tapped out on South America this year. But who knows. I did enjoy my time there.

I second your comment about Max. Had the pleasure of him as a wingman in SP. Awesome guy.

BTW Steve, your mailbox is full. Can't reply to your pm.

[Jbob084]

Hey guys,

Sometimes I feel like I'm coming from another planet and miss some of the basic stuff. Clearly, I need a manual for SA when I compare my terrible experience with yours, guys.

Just a recap, I'm a French guy of Middle Eastern origins, 35 yo, working in IT, average looking, tall and fit (1 m87/82 kg). I speak 3 languages + a little bit of Russian. I like petite white blonde EE girls (my ideal being Russians), slim with flat tummy, 19-24 yo..

I really wonder how much of a factor the Middle Eastern look is to your experience. I also have a bit of an Arab / Indian look and I am beginning to wonder if there is an element of European girls not being very open to non-Caucasian males.

I also haven't had much luck in UK and Europe. In Istanbul (where there's clear racism and dislike towards Arabs) a girl came to meet me at my hotel bar. She wasn't open to sex, so she said just kissing and playing for like 30 minutes. I told her 200 Euro's (I know it's a stupid price but just wanted to experience it for the sake of it). She said no she wants 600 Euro's. I said no and she left. So she ended up with nothing when she could have bagged an easy 200 Euro's which is a lot of money for Turkey.

Hahaha Make it make sense?

[Ggekko2009]

Spain is the place in Europe!

How about Lisbon or Portugal in general? Any insights there?

[DramaFree11]

I know you know this DF but you def don't ever want to go to a restaurant and be sitting waiting for her. Although I am rarely if ever stood up lateness is de rigueur esp with South American girls where it's culturally accepted. I always confirm they are on their way (they often lie!) but then just go to the bar at the restaurant once she seems close. Beats that empty table feeling. Plus its def more gentlemanly to meet her at the front when she arrives.

Yes, I do the same. I had confirmed, she said yes, earlier. The crazy part is we had met at least 5 times prior. Most of the restaurants in CDMX do not have bars, so it is not an option. Any way it was a good story.

[Steve 9696]

Great advice! I think the guys that are successful on SA, use failure as a motivator. If I get a bunch of, "no," it just means I need to work harder.

Also, when the model dumped me, I now use this a motivation to find something better. Additionally, I knew it was time for a change, so I moved on to CDMX and the rest is history.

Friday night when I got stood up at a fancy restaurant it was pretty embarrassing, but I ended up having a great time and got a couple of girls numbers on SA during that time.

Obviously never send money.

I know you know this DF but you def don't ever want to go to a restaurant and be sitting waiting for her. Although I am rarely if ever stood up lateness is de rigueur esp with South American girls where it's culturally accepted. I always confirm they are on their way (they often lie!) but then just go to the bar at the restaurant once she seems close. Beats that empty table feeling. Plus it’s def more gentlemanly to meet her at the front when she arrives.

[Steve 9696]

Always insightful comments online and even better in person.

When you coming back to Medellin Steve?

Hey man. Thanks for the props. But you are in fact the best wingman ever, leaving me with two hotties when there was def enough for us both. LOL.

May be tapped out on South America this year. But who knows. I did enjoy my time there.

[SfoCowboy]

Spain is the place in Europe!

Last in Spain. About 4 months ago. I pulled about 7 girls over to whatapp and with a week's time, I wasn't able to see them all (I tried). 200 EU was the number for these girls. Again, there were literally too many girls responding to chat them all up, so I chose the most promising and executed.

Age group: 20 - 27.

Language: I speak english with them. Even if you see a profile that you like in spanish, send her a message. She might speak english. In full disclosure, I've had quite a few girls respond that they are interested, but do not speak english. Those are a no go for me. But I'm a f*ck#ng hypocrite because one of the girls that I didn't' meet last trip (no time) doesn't speak english really at all (besides basic greetings) and we have been texting heavy over the past 2 weeks and making plans. I'm addicted to experiences and I need to experience all the girls. LOL. So sometimes, things may not be ideal, but it may become a hell of an experience.

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[DramaFree11]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25.

I think you may be suffering from a few things. First, every country is different. So just because this works in the US or London doesn't mean it works well in Eastern Europe. A lot of the countries you mention would be new territory even for the experienced members of this team. No telling whether SA is good or not.

Second, I think what you call failure is based on unrealistic expectations. You haven't really had much / any in person failure. You have had a lot of texting fails wasting time hitting dead ends etc. This is ABSOLUTELY part of Seeking. You will waste a ton of time and effort finding the right girl. Hours. Days. Just yesterday thought I had found a cutie in a dry area of the country. Nice chat. Talk about meetup. Then "can you send $25 I'm hungry". Damn. Dead end. Do I weep? Nope. Next next. I WILL find my next hottie but it's a huge time sink.

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam.

I suppose it's different everywhere, as I said. But I don't generally try to open with an offer of meetup. I usually pick something from their profile to start a conversation around and discuss mundane topics. If they won't engage in the convo then they are not for me.

Great advice! I think the guys that are successful on SA, use failure as a motivator. If I get a bunch of, "no," it just means I need to work harder.

Also, when the model dumped me, I now use this a motivation to find something better. Additionally, I knew it was time for a change, so I moved on to CDMX and the rest is history.

Friday night when I got stood up at a fancy restaurant it was pretty embarrassing, but I ended up having a great time and got a couple of girls numbers on SA during that time.

Obviously never send money.

[MaxLee88]

Yeah obviously the sending money thing was a bonehead maneuver but you know this. Never ever ever do it. Even if it's $25.

I think you may be suffering from a few things. First, every country is different. So just because this works in the US or London doesn't mean it works well in Eastern Europe. A lot of the countries you mention would be new territory even for the experienced members of this team. No telling whether SA is good or not.

Second, I think what you call failure is based on unrealistic expectations. You haven't really had much / any in person failure. You have had a lot of texting fails wasting time hitting dead ends etc. This is ABSOLUTELY part of Seeking. You will waste a ton of time and effort finding the right girl. Hours. Days. Just yesterday thought I had found a cutie in a dry area of the country. Nice chat. Talk about meetup. Then "can you send $25 I'm hungry". Damn. Dead end. Do I weep? Nope. Next next. I WILL find my next hottie but it's a huge time sink.

IMO definitely skip the platonic meet and greet. Especially internationally. Girls in their early 20's are DTF. Have a nice dinner and go fuck. Don't waste either or yours time. And I think the $ for platonic May be backfiring. Nobody does that. So if I was a girl I'the think it a scam..

Always insightful comments online and even better in person.

When you coming back to Medellin Steve?