Seeking Arrangements

[Ggekko2009]

I was just doing a rough tally and damn I do skew to the exotics. Here's a bit of accounting. This is Seeking only. Obv in Colombia saw a ton of Colombianas and London / Germany was all Ro-girls. Here's a rough SA tally:

Black 11 BlackMix 3 White 4 LatinaMix 2 Mexican 1 Colombian 4, Peruvian 2, Brazilian 3 Chinese 1 VietMix 1 Viet 1 Cambodian 1 MidEastern 2 Lao 1.

Blackish 14.

Latina 12.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

So 90% non-white.

College student Waitress Stripper Cust Service Yoga Instructor Office Manager Receptionist Care Giver Med Student Maid Law Student Gamer Chemist Actress.

Since we are sharing stats, here's mine from SA only, and thanks to this forum and information shared, I have been able to make some inroads. Granted, I only started using SA in March this year making two trips to Colombia (mainly Bogota and Cartagena). Naturally, all of them are Latinas. If I do my math correctly, I think I had 8. A few of them were repeats during my stay.

2 office manager or admin.

1 waitress.

1 teacher.

4 college students.

This platform has opened up possibilities.

[Elvis 2008]

LOL.

"The right kind of guy" . On SA.

Damn, that was funny.

This is just so people know your history.

I said the women on these sites are worse than prostitutes because prostitutes are at least honest about who they are and what's happening.

If guys want to fool themselves into believing that they're seducing incredible women and that they're really only giving "gifts" instead of a fee, that's their (unfortunate and sad) business. But the rest of us are free to laugh at the absurdity of it.

As I said earlier, stop paying and see how long any of these "relationships" last.

When I wrote the right of guy, it was in reference to these two encounters.

I offered her 800 CAD, she didn't know how much because I just pulled what was in my wallet and she got really offended. I was confused, because I knew she didn't know how much it was. But, she said she is not an escort. Even more confused now.

She told me to keep it. It was an amazing time and would like to see where this goes. So was a win.

Then I pulled the same 800 CAD out of my wallet from the night before and went to give it to her. She said no. She can't remember having sex and a connection that good. Another win. Not sure how much more I want to test my luck.

So Jack, things like this have happened to me too. Most times I met a seeking girl there was a price, but there were times when money was not discussed and when I tried to give a woman money, it was either refused or questioned. So having had years of contemplation on the matter, let me spill it out because I like FastMDster was initially confused. When a woman refuses money from a guy on seeking, it means she likes you and wants to date you. She cares more about you than your money.

Thing is we have been trained to think these 9,10 types like FastMD describes do not want guys like us; they want their Ken Doll types. Unlike other women, these 9,10 types have had said men and dealt with their insecurity and have seen them get by through life on their looks and charm. Worse, if you go out with a Ken Doll, you have to share him. The good Ken Dolls have been snatched up, and the left over guys are often boring, insecure, lazy, drug using, video game playing losers who despite their looks are lousy in bed.

Maybe you cannot say this about yourself but there are so many ways I am better than in my 20's, and a lot of women care more about those things than having Ken Dolls. Sexually speaking in my 20's, I used to be thrilled if I could make a woman cum. Now I think there is something wrong with a woman if she does not. I did not believe it when so many women said I was good in bed, but I realize that if the women were fucking 20 year olds who fucked like I used to, maybe it is true. Without seeking, these women would not be able to meet the right kind of men: worldly, intelligent, successful, secure non-asshole types who rock their world in bed.

Holding on to the belief that you are not going to care for a woman is a protective mechanism when you are dealing with a WG. It is confusing then when a woman is offered money and turns you down. All that is left is that she likes you or the long con. After that, when you fuck them again and again for no money and your expenses are the same as if you had a GF, the whole long con concept fades away.

I think you and a lot of other guys suffer from cognitive dissonance on this matter.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is...onance-2795012

The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the mental discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes. People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so this conflict causes feelings of unease or discomfort.

Everyone experiences cognitive dissonance to some degree, but that doesn't mean that it is always easy to recognize.

So how do I know that I am not suffering from cognitive dissonance and you are? Because I have felt what you have felt and get why you are like you are. It is emotionally protective.

But for your POV to be right in this case, I have to be lying and there is no way you can know that and so does FastMD, and you have to somehow know the motivation of every woman on seeking. In short, you have no facts to back up your beliefs. Your contention that all the women on seeking are WGs and men who think otherwise are fools is not supported by anything other than your wanting it so. That is classic cognitive dissonance.

Guys should hold onto their belief that many if not most women on seeking are WGs, but they should be open to the fact that there are women out there that like them for more than their money. One thing women do that men need to copy is shit testing. Tell a woman that this hat / dress ETC would look great on you and see if she tries it on and wants you to buy it for her. My gal passed so many shit tests I do not bother with them anymore. A good productive gal will love to do things for you and prove her worth. A WG type will always be looking to take.

The reason I spent so much time on this is my gal is a 9,10 type, and I almost talked myself out of the possibility that she liked me for me. That is why Jack holding onto your belief can be incredibly destructive. Not all women want Ken Dolls.

[NeilGeorge]

I was just doing a rough tally and damn I do skew to the exotics. Here's a bit of accounting. This is Seeking only. Obv in Colombia saw a ton of Colombianas and London / Germany was all Ro-girls. Here's a rough SA tally:

Black 11 BlackMix 3 White 4 LatinaMix 2 Mexican 1 Colombian 4, Peruvian 2, Brazilian 3 Chinese 1 VietMix 1 Viet 1 Cambodian 1 MidEastern 2 Lao 1.

Blackish 14.

Latina 12.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

So 90% non-white.

College student Waitress Stripper Cust Service Yoga Instructor Office Manager Receptionist Care Giver Med Student Maid Law Student Gamer Chemist Actress.

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[AsianPursuits]

So just returned from Montreal and Vancouver.

Vancouver is a great destination.

Be well.

Thanks for the detailed field report.

[Skepti10]

Yes, do SA in Spain! I was recently in Madrid and you will find too many girls that are happy with 200 EU

Thanks for the response. How recently did you visit Madrid and got interest for 200 EUR? Which age group showed interest? Do you speak Spanish or English with them? I don't speak any Spanish (or French) so hopefully that won't be a problem.

As for money I usually hand it to them just before they head off, I found there was no awkwardness with this process but I usually make the ppm aspect very clear before we meet. Once or twice I did the envelope thing because the hotel had one available. And one time after the girl left I realized we both forgot about the money, ended up transferring the money online using our real names. She was very cool about it.

[Jack Miami]

I do not think you will get away with not mentioning $ in the USA. That is not a knock on you but American women.

It is funny how many guys think ALL the women on seeking are just WGs. Sure, some maybe even most are, but there are women just interested in meeting the right kind of guy.

LOL.

"The right kind of guy" . On SA.

Damn, that was funny.

[Steve 9696]

I was just doing a rough tally and damn I do skew to the exotics. Here's a bit of accounting. This is Seeking only. Obv in Colombia saw a ton of Colombianas and London / Germany was all Ro-girls. Here's a rough SA tally:

Black 11 BlackMix 3 White 4 LatinaMix 2 Mexican 1 Colombian 4, Peruvian 2, Brazilian 3 Chinese 1 VietMix 1 Viet 1 Cambodian 1 MidEastern 2 Lao 1.

Blackish 14.

Latina 12.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

So 90% non-white.

College student Waitress Stripper Cust Service Yoga Instructor Office Manager Receptionist Care Giver Med Student Maid Law Student Gamer Chemist Actress.

[LshRoomer]

I will visit Europe for a work trip in Sep and was thinking about whether to re-new my SA membership. Have any of the guys here had any recent experiences there and can provide some advice?

I'll be in town for 1. 5 weeks which frankly may not be enough time, but I loved my SA time when I was in Australia & New Zealand (in 2020) and hope to replicate the experiences.

If you've seen my Barcelona post my preferences are 18-22 years old white girls who are petite / flat stomach. What sort of prices should I expect to pay for a meet-up with a few drinks at a bar & then back to the room for a few hours?

Will 350 EUR be reasonable for Paris? How about 250 EUR for Barcelona? Keep in mind I prefer the younger girls and have little interest in 26+ and zero interest in 30+.

For information in Sydney 2020 I paid 400 AUD ( 270 EUR) for white girls & 300 AUD ( 200 EUR) for Asians (with the exception of 1 honest to god 22 year old submissive Japanese nurse, who I spoiled beyond belief). In Auckland that same year I paid 400-600 ( 245 EUR to 370 EUR) NZD for white girls & 300 NZD ( 180 EUR) for Asians.

Yes, do SA in Spain! I was recently in Madrid and you will find too many girls that are happy with 200 EU (I personally can't keep up with the responses). Try to start your conversations about 3-5 days before. I noticed lately that the girls have been more aggressive and ready to meet a lot sooner which has made me start the contact process closer to my arrival date instead of about 10 days out. After 1-2 days of chatting, their attitude becomes like, "This guy is cool, what are we waiting for? When are we meeting?" The 200 eu will be for a complete outing, possibly with an overnight with the same type you mentioned above (slim, natural). 1 - 1. 5 weeks is plenty of time to easily have experiences with multiple girls. Some girls will 100% want to repeat. When they find a guy who's not an asshole, not arrogant, cool, and doesn't treat them like a prostitute, it's a no brainer to repeat the outing.

I'm not sure if Barcelona has the same vibe, but from what I've read, it's more touristy so you may have more WGs and / or higher prices.

Please report back on Paris. I have yet to have any french experiences.

A question comes up though. How do you guys normally hand over the $?

Steve just mentioned the envelop method and I must admit that I'm digging the lack of a transaction (going to try it next time). And the extra toothbrush. Yes!. Added to my toolbox.

I normally hand over the cash at the end of the night / morning and almost always say something like, "Hey, I want you go out and buy yourself something nice", or if we are meeting again soon, "here, I want you to buy something sexy for tonight / tomorrow".

On the uber / accounts / etc note: it's good to keep everything separate. Uber, email, whatsapp, etc should be separate accounts, not linked in any way to your real world.

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[Steve 9696]

If it's a long term burner, hop on offer up and look for a phone that's a couple gens back.

You can go cheap, but I personally opt for a "decent" burner (current is iphone X), as when I'm out of town, I pop in a SIM (local EU SIM) and it pretty much becomes my main phone during outings. Therefore, it needs to be fully functional (call / text / Internet / camera). Remember to have it erase have too many bad pw entries. If you are going to do it, do it right.

Good luck.

02.

I've been in a mode of only having Wi-Fi when overseas because I didn't want to deal with sims and changing numbers and all that. But what a pain. Even with tethering to my work phone the connection times out or whatever. I just moved to Google Fi which promises full speed data in 200 countries. $65/ mo. Seems very promising and worth the extra (T-Mobile us only was 45). I'll keep you posted.

[LshRoomer]

So just returned from Montreal and Vancouver.

My first trip to Vancouver. The forum here was useless as was perb. So I did the risky thing, just went with SA. As I always do I identify my targets about 10- 14 days out and message them. Got a lot of responses. There is a difference between Vancouver women and Montreal. More career women, way less tattoos, and seem to be looking for the whole experience- dinner and sex, LOL. You have a decent amount of pros on Vancouver SA, which I relegated to back ups.

...

Vancouver is a great destination.

Montreal- saw the 20 yr from last trip, who is just a nympho. I believe she really likes me, because when I was looking at other women, she would quickly say let's go fuck. Great girl-500 CAD.

Next stop Seattle and Portland.

Be well.

Great write up sir! I have never come across a girl that would turn down the cash, but I also haven't spent any time in Vancouver (adding it to my list). Good luck in Seattle / Portland. I don't have the greatest things to say about American girls on SA especially when compared to their EU counterparts. However, I am aware that some guys are winning constantly in the local arena, so good luck and post what you find.

02.

[LshRoomer]

Looking for a burner phone to contact girls and get started on the game. Not for SA verification.

If it's a long term burner, hop on offer up and look for a phone that's a couple gens back.

You can go cheap, but I personally opt for a "decent" burner (current is iphone X), as when I'm out of town, I pop in a SIM (local EU SIM) and it pretty much becomes my main phone during outings. Therefore, it needs to be fully functional (call / text / Internet / camera). Remember to have it erase have too many bad pw entries. If you are going to do it, do it right.

Good luck.

02.

[Gfefan]

Looking for a burner phone to contact girls and get started on the game. Not for SA verification.

I thought sa is legal in US so no burner phone needed. Am I missing something?

[Steve 9696]

Steve, that's a good tip. Never thought of that. The envelope would be easiest, but most hotels don't include the note pad and envelopes anymore, so I would have to pack them LOL. Definitely not buying thank you cards haha. Slipping into their purse is probably the better option.

Uber watch out for all: Usually, I walk them down to the lobby and put them in the car. The 25 yr old paralegal didn't drive to the hotel. The other women did. So I called her an Uber, but since she was so determined to stay in bed it was pushing my schedule I didn't have time to walk her down. Just showed her the car and driver on my phone.

I got a text yesterday and she knew my real name because the Uber driver told her when verifying the pickup. He thought it was such an interesting name, dumb fuck.

So just be careful.

Maybe I am just overly into being a girl enthusiast (I hate the word hobby) but I am soooo well prepared these days. I always carry with me note cards and envelopes, Cialis and Viagra, a few thousand in maybe 6-8 different currrncies, several brand new toothbrushes and ear plugs (I snore) should a girl stay over spur of the moment. They are always so amazed and thankful when I produce a brand new toothbrush. LOL.

On Uber I have two different accounts. On my burner phone I have a Steve account. Of course it has my real credit card on the back end but has a Steve front end. And I send my girls Ubers fairly often from this account. It's great to track their arrival tho often pickup is a real hassle if they can't find each other.

[FastMdSter]

Steve, that's a good tip. Never thought of that. The envelope would be easiest, but most hotels don't include the note pad and envelopes anymore, so I would have to pack them LOL. Definitely not buying thank you cards haha. Slipping into their purse is probably the better option.

Uber watch out for all: Usually, I walk them down to the lobby and put them in the car. The 25 yr old paralegal didn't drive to the hotel. The other women did. So I called her an Uber, but since she was so determined to stay in bed it was pushing my schedule I didn't have time to walk her down. Just showed her the car and driver on my phone.

I got a text yesterday and she knew my real name because the Uber driver told her when verifying the pickup. He thought it was such an interesting name, dumb fuck.

So just be careful.

[Skepti10]

I will visit Europe for a work trip in Sep and was thinking about whether to re-new my SA membership. Have any of the guys here had any recent experiences there and can provide some advice?

I'll be in town for 1. 5 weeks which frankly may not be enough time, but I loved my SA time when I was in Australia & New Zealand (in 2020) and hope to replicate the experiences.

If you've seen my Barcelona post my preferences are 18-22 years old white girls who are petite / flat stomach. What sort of prices should I expect to pay for a meet-up with a few drinks at a bar & then back to the room for a few hours?

Will 350 EUR be reasonable for Paris? How about 250 EUR for Barcelona? Keep in mind I prefer the younger girls and have little interest in 26+ and zero interest in 30+.

For information in Sydney 2020 I paid 400 AUD ( 270 EUR) for white girls & 300 AUD ( 200 EUR) for Asians (with the exception of 1 honest to god 22 year old submissive Japanese nurse, who I spoiled beyond belief). In Auckland that same year I paid 400-600 ( 245 EUR to 370 EUR) NZD for white girls & 300 NZD ( 180 EUR) for Asians.