Seeking Arrangements

[Ggekko2009]

So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

I had gone to Germany many times prior to covid, but mostly sticking to the FKK scenes. I had my fair share of fun experiences there. Sadly, having read all the negative reports coming out from the FKK threads these days, I find it difficult to justify a trip to Germany now.

Nonetheless, your report are inspiring me to give Germany a second look just for the SA experience.

A few questions about your Germany SA experience.

- Was your meeting with the girls in Frankfurt only or also in other German cities?

- How would you compare the German girls vs the non-German ones that you met there? If I read your report correctly, you had one Ukrainian, one German, and one Russian. I see a joke coming, LOL.

- What is the typical asking price from the SA girls there, assuming in Frankfurt?

[AmericanPi]

I see your point.

I also see we look at this very similarly. We just assign different probabilities and different weights to both positive and negative outcomes. Your assessment of risk potential is lower, with higher perceived upside (value of BB) and lower perceived downside (gunk junk).

Can't hate that. And can't deny you're prob having a magical journey along the way.

You asked an honest question and I am giving my honest opinion. This is my approach and I am not telling you that you have to accept my approach to do X or Z. Everyone has their own approach and reasoning.

To me, doing BB is a risk, and if it is a risk then there is a need for risk mitigation, and to me it is all about probabilities. Asking indirect questions allow me to establish the character of the girls and her behavior, and provides me more information to assess this risk. If one is not willing to take this risk, then use protection or better yet, not have sex at all. All the power to having safe sex. This whole discussion of BB is moot.

Also, regular testing is just the best way to take care of oneself if engaging often in such a hobby. Getting early treatment is always better than late or worse, no treatment at all.

[Ggekko2009]

I dunno.

Regular testing helps? How? It only tells you if you have something. But some of these things. Herpes, hpv, warts. They stick around forever. Getting a test to confirm only tells you what you'the know at that point. Do you already have these things so it's just a matter of avoiding the biggies like aids?

And indirect questions? (BTW "how many guys before me" is not indirect). Trust me if a girl is on SA she's not a coquettish struggling college girl no matter what she says. She is unambiguously selling sex for money, and you are one a line of people that no doubt includes other guys probing to guess their risk level.

To each his own. Really. But to me this would not be worth it. And I love love love me some SA. And escorts when the fancy strikes.

You asked an honest question and I am giving my honest opinion. This is my approach and I am not telling you that you have to accept my approach to do X or Z. Everyone has their own approach and reasoning.

To me, doing BB is a risk, and if it is a risk then there is a need for risk mitigation, and to me it is all about probabilities. Asking indirect questions allow me to establish the character of the girls and her behavior, and provides me more information to assess this risk. If one is not willing to take this risk, then use protection or better yet, not have sex at all. All the power to having safe sex. This whole discussion of BB is moot.

Also, regular testing is just the best way to take care of oneself if engaging often in such a hobby. Getting early treatment is always better than late or worse, no treatment at all.

[TedFerguson]

Hey guys,

Just finishing up a trip to Bogota. Main takeaways are the the girls here are good conversationalists but not lookers. Heavily edited photos. Food is better than MDE and people are more professional / authentic. I'm getting out of here because I can't stand this rain anymore: the.

For those of you who've been to Mexico, what's your take on CDMX vs Guadalajara vs Cancun? It seems like CDMX is the best starting point with most variety but maybe the girls are more flaky than GDL? The girls in Cancun have some impressive optics but the selection is poor and I'm guessing prices are high. Is there anyone who would take GDL over CDMX?

[AmericanPi]

I've had some pretty amazing experiences on SA too. I don't deny that most of these girls are not just escorts masquerading as sugar babies. All of the ones I've met have been true civilians. A factory worker. A student. A waitress. A stay at home girl helping her blind mom. An aspiring dancer. None of them escorts. All of them, well most of them, were great company.

As I've said before, most of them hate Mexican guys because they're boorish. No qualms from me there. I hear the same.

Who says that 20-25 year old women want to be banging 25 year old men? That is not what I have seen. The women I have talked to said that 25 year old men are insecure, have no money, want to get wasted or play video games, are controlling, lack social skills, and cum too quickly.

One reason I do not like American women is they are more about their friends and how hot / cute a guy is. They fuck a 25 year old for free, show the guy off to their friends, and then the women come to guys like me when they are broke. Latin women care about their families more than anything so if you help their family situation, they are nuts about you.

Keep in mind that so many of these women do not have a father figure in their life. They do not know what it is like to have a friendly and positive male role model in their life. This one girl was texting me asking me for help, and she was escort like in our first meet but she was hot so I gave her another chance. So we did a come to Jesus meeting. I told her my job as sugar daddy is fulfill her needs and to make her life better, and her job is to make me feel better with sex and companionship. It is not just money for sex.

Her #1 need was her mother who had horrible anxiety from sleep apnea. We did a test and treatment for her condition, and it was in Colombia which was much cheaper than the USA, and her mother who was having crippling monthly panic attacks now felt better than she had in decades.

Hell, after that, her mother was my #1 fan. "Do not lose this guy" she told her daughter. Of course, she fucked me bareback. Hell, she probably would have given me a kidney because her mother was all the family she had. Any 25 year old going to help a girl's family like that?

[AmericanPi]

This is a thoughtful response, so thank you for that.

I agree this is not the right place to be trading medical advice. But really what is? This is a community of people who like this hobby. It's the best I know. So thanks for indulging the conversation.

I am actually not scared by aids. Because it's pretty remote possibility in my actions.

Herpes and warts scare me. Because they're so easily transmissible, even when you don't see them, and they last forever. I don't want to be 60 and still paying the price for fun in my forties. It's not true that you need an active case to transmit.

If your read on the situation is right, you get to have your cake and eat it too. That's amazing. And you win.

But if you're wrong just one time.

Again to each his own. I meant this as a discussion not an indictment and I appreciate your sharing your thinking. We all need to compare notes like this. Just to have a range of opinions.

First. I'm surprised at your "they are all ho's" comment. Speaking from a position of considerable experience 80% of the girls I see are genuine, true to their profile, and not ho's in the common use of the term. They will def not just fuck anyone for money. And when it feels like fucking for money they will ghost you. Let's not rehash this discussion. You can think that but it won't make it true. The more time you spend with quality girls on SA I predict you will change your mind. If you are saying there are lots of fakes and posers I agree. I just don't date them.

On the STD one, as someone once said def not best forum for medical advice, but here is the way I see it. And my wife and I don't have sex so I don't have to worry that angle. Medically here is what I believe but do your own research:

1. The odds of a man catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex are vanishingly small.

2. Syphilis, Gonorrhea, and several others are treatable.

3. Herpes def seems a worry but only transmitted during a visible outbreak.

4. A couple billion people have HSV2 so it's likely you already have it or going to get it.

As far as girls, yes I believe my girls are very low mileage. I'm not naive. My girls might be fucking a small handful of other guys during our time together but they are not like pros having tons of guys. Several of my girls have only had a handful of guys in their lifetime. And yes I believe this to be fact. Unfortunately sometimes their bedroom skills show it. LOL.

That said I was surprised to tally up six bareback girls so far this year. I was trying so hard to keep it just to my three regs. So I ordered an STD kit to checkup. Thanks for the wake-up call.

[Jbob084]

Recently moved to the UK and working in a Northern town with plenty of Uni students. Every single one of them, from seeking and civvies, have no problem doing BB. It's shocking actually. Condoms really don't seem to be a thing here.

[Steve 9696]

First. I'm surprised at your "they are all ho's" comment. Speaking from a position of considerable experience 80% of the girls I see are genuine, true to their profile, and not ho's in the common use of the term. They will def not just fuck anyone for money. And when it feels like fucking for money they will ghost you. Let's not rehash this discussion. You can think that but it won't make it true. The more time you spend with quality girls on SA I predict you will change your mind. If you are saying there are lots of fakes and posers I agree. I just don't date them.

On the STD one, as someone once said def not best forum for medical advice, but here is the way I see it. And my wife and I don't have sex so I don't have to worry that angle. Medically here is what I beleive but do your own research:

1. The odds of a man catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex are vanishingly small.

2. Syphilis, Gonorrhea, and several others are treatable.

3. Herpes def seems a worry but only transmitted during a visible outbreak.

4. A couple billion people have HSV2 so it's likely you already have it or going to get it.

As far as girls, yes I believe my girls are very low mileage. I'm not naive. My girls might be fucking a small handful of other guys during our time together but they are not like pros having tons of guys. Several of my girls have only had a handful of guys in their lifetime. And yes I believe this to be fact. Unfortunately sometimes their bedroom skills show it. LOL.

That said I was surprised to tally up six bareback girls so far this year. I was trying so hard to keep it just to my three regs. So I ordered an STD kit to checkup. Thanks for the wake-up call.

[FastMdSter]

I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?

This whole thing we do is a constant risk assessment.

My experience is I go with the flow. My experience is that the younger woman and the woman who are really into you are the ones BB just seems to happen.

My seeking experience is going on 2 weeks and these girls basically looked at like a date, hence the BB no issue.

Then you have pros who's that's part of their client retention program, the pros who charge for it openly, and the pros who put it and pull it out and then say they don't do that and charge for it.

I will tell you in the civilian world, from my experience over last 2 years the girls never mention condoms. It seems they just want to go. I am also surprised by the change.

But 50% of my time is US, 40% Europe, and 10% ROW.

[Alex7J]

So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

FYI- I tried tinder also. Got a lot of matches, but I found it harder. So need to see how much effort I will put into tinder.

You cannot compare seeking with tinder, its an altogether diff league.

You can find some amazing gems in Travel girls but even that is no comparison to Seeking.

Have heard some other websites more discreet and expensive but never tried that.

Cheers:

With the Magic Potion Elixir: seeking is a different ball game, absolutely sexy. You feel like a 18 year young boy with the libido, tst levels, stiffness and energy is just amazing.

I've left V, see and any kind of medication and its only MP and few of the fellow Dubai ISG'ians are enjoying like crazy. 100% Organic and only Natural herbs.

Your 18-25 year old SB just hangs on to your dick when she sees the power it has, she feels it is her enigma which is making you horny and hard.

Ciao.

Peace.

Disfruta.

[Elvis 2008]

Then then WhatsApp convos started. Was feeling really good. Was concentrating on the 4 hottest. Two 9. 5's, and two 8's.

Age range, 22, 23, 25, 33.

Great report. Sounds like the adventures I have been on.

When you speak of the girl who turned everyone's head, the question is where do you meet these women? In a bar? Good luck with that. Do you really want to meet someone in a bar? How many of those types are alcoholics? You might be able to find them in escort agencies or strip clubs but the character of so many those women are crap.

The only place I was able to consistently meet the occasional 10 types is on seeking, and the amazing part is how some of them are not just drop dead gorgeous but are good people to boot.

[Elvis 2008]

Maybe. But let me tell you my situation. I'm actually a fairly attractive guy and quite a good conversationalist. But my weakness is I like 20-25 year old women, and I'm mid 40's. I have to be honest with myself. No matter how good I am, they would rather be banging a 25 year old dude. So I can't just rely on my wit and looks to get a girl to elect to stay the night for free. If that's what I want I feel I need to make it clear that's the exchange I'm looking for. It works for me but it's unique to my situation. If I'm.

Who says that 20-25 year old women want to be banging 25 year old men? That is not what I have seen. The women I have talked to said that 25 year old men are insecure, have no money, want to get wasted or play video games, are controlling, lack social skills, and cum too quickly.

One reason I do not like American women is they are more about their friends and how hot / cute a guy is. They fuck a 25 year old for free, show the guy off to their friends, and then the women come to guys like me when they are broke. Latin women care about their families more than anything so if you help their family situation, they are nuts about you.

Keep in mind that so many of these women do not have a father figure in their life. They do not know what it is like to have a friendly and positive male role model in their life. This one girl was texting me asking me for help, and she was escort like in our first meet but she was hot so I gave her another chance. So we did a come to Jesus meeting. I told her my job as sugar daddy is fulfill her needs and to make her life better, and her job is to make me feel better with sex and companionship. It is not just money for sex.

Her #1 need was her mother who had horrible anxiety from sleep apnea. We did a test and treatment for her condition, and it was in Colombia which was much cheaper than the USA, and her mother who was having crippling monthly panic attacks now felt better than she had in decades.

Hell, after that, her mother was my #1 fan. "Do not lose this guy" she told her daughter. Of course, she fucked me bareback. Hell, she probably would have given me a kidney because her mother was all the family she had. Any 25 year old going to help a girl's family like that?

[AmericanPi]

I dunno.

Regular testing helps? How? It only tells you if you have something. But some of these things. Herpes, hpv, warts. They stick around forever. Getting a test to confirm only tells you what you'the know at that point. Do you already have these things so it's just a matter of avoiding the biggies like aids?

And indirect questions? (BTW "how many guys before me" is not indirect). Trust me if a girl is on SA she's not a coquettish struggling college girl no matter what she says. She is unambiguously selling sex for money, and you are one a line of people that no doubt includes other guys probing to guess their risk level.

To each his own. Really. But to me this would not be worth it. And I love love love me some SA. And escorts when the fancy strikes.

To me, it's all a matter of risk assessment. I would usually try to get to know about the girl as much as I can prior. Indirect questions like, do you have sex a lot, have many partners before me etc etc. I am not talking about the pros here, but some of these SA girls who are mainly college students or those with regular jobs.

For pros, they are not going to go bareback on you anyway, and even if they are willing, I will stay away from BB. Also regular testing helps.

[The Cane]

I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?

It's rare, rare, rare that I'll go bareback with a working girl. It's happened, but definitely that's an extremely rare exception versus the rule. The blonde hottie I've been fucking isn't one of "those" girls. And even so, we showed each other "papers" to establish that we were clean. It's not that you can't ever get anything from a SB. You can. It's just as the man said. You need to be prepared and able to do some risk assessment and go from there. I know that everybody likes bareback. But everybody's tolerance for risk is different too. Assess the risk, then act according to your own individual risk tolerance.

[Ggekko2009]

I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?

To me, it's all a matter of risk assessment. I would usually try to get to know about the girl as much as I can prior. Indirect questions like, do you have sex a lot, have many partners before me etc etc. I am not talking about the pros here, but some of these SA girls who are mainly college students or those with regular jobs.

For pros, they are not going to go bareback on you anyway, and even if they are willing, I will stay away from BB. Also regular testing helps.