Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

So close and yet so far.

Had a few girls engaged in my quest for an evening meetup. At lunch the only sure one was a Thai hooker who "didn't have time" for dinner and drinks but would come to my room for 400. So that was the backup plan.

At about 2 PM I snagged my date for the night. A very pretty PR and Italian mix but a bit heavy on the backside. With massive tits to match at least. No figure discussed. She seemed more about meeting up than the $$ but figured I would just play by ear. She was very down to meet and when I said I didn't know how it would work with my hotel and hour away from her she said she'the come to me. So she both put skin in the game and acknowledged hotel location was important. So far so good.

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on..

Too funny. Thank god, I do not have those issues in America. I debating about getting back on SA in San Antonio, but I just do not know. I have met a couple of girls in CDMX that have visa, so I can fly them in.

[Pessimist]

Not saying anyone is worth 1 k. All I'm saying is that these girls are on this site for a reason. Look at the big picture and decide if it's worth it to you, no one can answer that but you. If you would have told me a month ago that I would pay 1 k I'd have said you're crazy. I've since seen a major difference between the girls with goals and the pros or semi-pros. I want to hang out with the goal driven ones and either that sentiment is reciprocated or they are good actors (don't really care honestly as we've never run out of banter and things to talk about). They have lots to say and are engaging company. I wouldn't pay 500 for a pro as there are tons of options where I live for quite a lot less if the goal is to bust a nut but that's not my style unless it's been months.

I can't do multiples in a day, I don't think I could do that in my prime. Honestly an A+ girl 2-3 times per month is all I want. Again, this is what works for me. We're probably going to spend close to the same amount and both get what we want so which one of us is right or wrong?

Seriously, $1,000 ppm is a total waste. If someone wants to pay that much, their choice of course. Perhaps in San Fran, a top shelf girl may extract that much from a 30 something multi millionaire geek that got rich from selling a new age app company to a megacorp but not where I live; I have rarely exceeded 300 and with sufficient patience, I got the best girls in my area (away from the coasts). When I traveled to the big blue cities of NEast such as Boston I have paid up 350 but rarely 400; I have never ever given more than 400. If they insist, I pass. I don't need to fuck anyone that urgently. I stick to 18-25 White slim girls, occasionally fair skinned Latinos of the same age and body type.

For 2 grand a month, I can pretty much sign up any girl in my city for 5+ sessions a month. That is just the reality where I live.

Prices have declined in general through pandemic. Many girls are hurting. I have been on SA for 5+ years now, soon will complete 6. I don't know how many in this thread have been there that long. I discontinued my paid subscription through pandemic and rejoined a few months ago; otherwise I have been a paying subscriber the entire time. One really pretty 22 year old girl of Ukrainian extraction (she has been brought up in the US) even lamented "too many girls are in trouble, they are lowering the price, also many men have less income now; I never came down below $600 prior to pandemic but now willing to consider $500 level offers" She did a good market analysis and she was very pretty but I passed. Anyway, that is me.

[Pessimist]

I think I mentioned in some prior reports that I reengaged with Tinder, took a Platinum membership for a year. So far, the pickings have been slim. Anyway, most girls on Tinder are either on Snap or Insta and consequently I signed up with Instagram as well (with a fake photo). Normally I use FB for all my family / friend social needs like most middle aged people do. Anyway, I got hit with the following message on Insta from a woman this morning:

"How are you doing, I will like to know if you are interested been my sugar baby and I will be paying you $300 for your weekly allowance".

There you have it. I had my roles switched from being a SD to a SB now, LOL. I feel so cheap, objectified, dirty eww haha.

Anyway, I looked up her photos, she is White but out of shape, probably early 40's but looks older due to not being in shape. Unfortunately, I have to pass. Oh well.

I wonder how all the early 20's sugarbabes feel, getting hit up middle aged out of shape dudes. I got a small taste of it now (well, I am not early 20's).

[FilthyBeaver]

Not saying anyone is worth 1 k. All I'm saying is that these girls are on this site for a reason. Look at the big picture and decide if it's worth it to you, no one can answer that but you. If you would have told me a month ago that I would pay 1 k I'd have said you're crazy. I've since seen a major difference between the girls with goals and the pros or semi-pros. I want to hang out with the goal driven ones and either that sentiment is reciprocated or they are good actors (don't really care honestly as we've never run out of banter and things to talk about). They have lots to say and are engaging company. I wouldn't pay 500 for a pro as there are tons of options where I live for quite a lot less if the goal is to bust a nut but that's not my style unless it's been months.

I can't do multiples in a day, I don't think I could do that in my prime. Honestly an A+ girl 2-3 times per month is all I want. Again, this is what works for me. We're probably going to spend close to the same amount and both get what we want so which one of us is right or wrong?

It is interesting to hear you think a $1000 girl is worth it. I am just sorta morally opposed to more than $500. Took me a while to even move from 400 to 500. I think it's also partly any girl who thinks she's worth 1000 has an ego bigger than I want to deal with. But maybe I just need to try it. It's the multiple days that will kill me. I budget about $2 K / month for girls which I know a lot of folks think is a lot. But damn if I just do a three day trip at $1000/ day I've already blown it.

Will keep weeding and feeding but thanks for the perspective.

[The Cane]

So close and yet so far. Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on.

She loves speakeasies and the vibe was great. I was doing plenty of light touching and lean ins and the chemistry was there. Walked to the hotel hand in hand. Ninths room it was very comfortable and a bit playful. We end up on the bed and while we're chatting I softly play with her tits. We kiss some. Just letting it develop. Eventually I am pulling her lacy bra down and working her nipples which are super big and get nice and hard. She is clearly enjoying herself. We even get her dress mostly off. Licking at her waistline I move down to her thigh gap and get a "not ready for that yet". Boo. We do kiss some more and some more tit play but she is adamant no sex on first date. Damn 28 year olds!

Well obviously I am disappointed and she is surprised I would expect sex on first date. So a bit of a light verbal scuffle there.

To me, what she did was totally a foul. If you're not going to have sex on the first date and you know it, then you (she) doesn't let it go that far. That's nothing but teasing, she knows it, and I don't have time for that. If a lady decides not to do it on the first date and makes that clear upfront, then you know I don't have a problem with that. But, don't play with me! Now if it was me, I'd be done with her, especially if she offered nothing else to really want me to stay involved with her. You've got to be transparent about being in out regarding the old "in and out". No half-stepping! Don't waste your time (and money) Steve! Too many other options to pursue. I say move on. It was the bet date she ever had? Well, if you believe her, OK. But what about you? There's two parts to the equation, and she played a game with you man. One I personally don't like. Women man! I do like my straight up tutes LOLOLOL!

[Steve 9696]

So close and yet so far.

Had a few girls engaged in my quest for an evening meetup. At lunch the only sure one was a Thai hooker who "didn't have time" for dinner and drinks but would come to my room for 400. So that was the backup plan.

At about 2 PM I snagged my date for the night. A very pretty PR and Italian mix but a bit heavy on the backside. With massive tits to match at least. No figure discussed. She seemed more about meeting up than the $$ but figured I would just play by ear. She was very down to meet and when I said I didn't know how it would work with my hotel and hour away from her she said she'the come to me. So she both put skin in the game and acknowledged hotel location was important. So far so good.

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on.

She loves speakeasies and the vibe was great. I was doing plenty of light touching and lean ins and the chemistry was there. Walked to the hotel hand in hand. Ninths room it was very comfortable and a bit playful. We end up on the bed and while we're chatting I softly play with her tits. We kiss some. Just letting it develop. Eventually I am pulling her lacy bra down and working her nipples which are super big and get nice and hard. She is clearly enjoying herself. We even get her dress mostly off. Licking at her waistline I move down to her thigh gap and get a "not ready for that yet". Boo. We do kiss some more and some more tit play but she is adamant no sex on first date. Damn 28 year olds!

Well obviously I am disappointed and she is surprised I would expect sex on first date. So a bit of a light verbal scuffle there.

I am a bit torn about seeing her again. When she was putting on her heels she said it was the best date of her life. And she really wants to see me again. Not sure if this is just going to be a "freebie" kind of arrangement but expect the $$ asks to come at some point and not sure if she will be worth that. (Don’t know cuz we didn’t have sex!) The PG date was very nice. And free other than dinner cost. And she maybe a bit too dominant / controlling for me (she is def more put together than most girls I date.).

Ps Definitely reinforced my belief that early 20s are much more DTF and late 20s+ more inclined to feel things out first.

[DramaFree11]

It is interesting to hear you think a $1000 girl is worth it. I am just sorta morally opposed to more than $500. Took me a while to even move from 400 to 500. I think it's also partly any girl who thinks she's worth 1000 has an ego bigger than I want to deal with. But maybe I just need to try it. It's the multiple days that will kill me. I budget about $2 K / month for girls which I know a lot of folks think is a lot. But damn if I just do a three day trip at $1000/ day I've already blown it.

Will keep weeding and feeding but thanks for the perspective.

Yep, I can do $400-500, but that is my cutoff. Time you pay Uber and dinner you are at $600-800. That is my limit.

Less then $2000 I can go to Mxico and have sex all weekend, with multiple partners.

[Steve 9696]

I've been asked outright for 1 k twice. Paid it once and still considering it for the other. As you clearly state, it's about expectations. Paying that at a $60 AMP makes no sense but the goal and circumstances are different. Paying that to get a no kidding GFE where she now knows my money is where my mouth is and there's no BS; I've now moved up in her priority queue (hopefully) which is what I want over time (hopefully if she's not a starfish or can't hold a conversation with me).

The more I've done SA the more I look at it like a poker game. You need to make the best decisions you can with bits and pieces of info that come in all different forms (words, actions, etc). When I'm playing poker I need to ante to be in the game. I may lose 10 antes before I have a hand I want to play. Price of doing business. If I need to blow 1 k to find out she's a dud that's fine because if she's not a dud I may be happier than a pig in shit that I'm getting her so "cheap" you just don't know. To be clear, we're way past talking about blowing your load in some hot girl. We're taking about, all things being equal, one might actually consider marrying because they literally check every box.

I easily believe 5 k. My first arrangement had a guy with a several thousand person company overseas. He'd write her a check for 5 k every month. It happens. It's the holy grail for some girls but fortunately for the masses (of the rest of us guys) those guys are few and far between.

Don't ever forget, they are there to cover expenses. Rent. X, college. Why, living expenses. Z, income from her job. A, shortfall. Be (that's where you come in). In a large expensive coastal city like mine 3-5 k a month sounds like a pretty honest answer. 10 k would be a little nuts. BTW there's nothing that says you need to be her only source. As long as you're not the jealous type accept you're one of a couple other guys and reserve yourself to the line. If she's that good then her part of the time is still probably better than her none of the time.

It is interesting to hear you think a $1000 girl is worth it. I am just sorta morally opposed to more than $500. Took me a while to even move from 400 to 500. I think it's also partly any girl who thinks she's worth 1000 has an ego bigger than I want to deal with. But maybe I just need to try it. It's the multiple days that will kill me. I budget about $2 K / month for girls — which I know a lot of folks think is a lot. But damn if I just do a three day trip at $1000/ day I've already blown it.

Will keep weeding and feeding but thanks for the perspective.

[The Cane]

The more I've done SA the more I look at it like a poker game. You need to make the best decisions you can with bits and pieces of info that come in all different forms (words, actions, etc). When I'm playing poker I need to ante to be in the game. I may lose 10 antes before I have a hand I want to play. Price of doing business. If I need to blow 1 k to find out she's a dud that's fine because if she's not a dud I may be happier than a pig in shit that I'm getting her so "cheap" you just don't know. To be clear, we're way past talking about blowing your load in some hot girl. We're taking about, all things being equal, one might actually consider marrying because they literally check every box.

Don't ever forget, they are there to cover expenses. Rent. X, college. Why, living expenses. Z, income from her job. A, shortfall. Be (that's where you come in). In a large expensive coastal city like mine 3-5 k a month sounds like a pretty honest answer. 10 k would be a little nuts. BTW there's nothing that says you need to be her only source. As long as you're not the jealous type accept you're one of a couple other guys and reserve yourself to the line. If she's that good then her part of the time is still probably better than her none of the time.

I'm just curious what age range you look for? For me it's 20-29, which includes girls I would not consider for marriage (too young), but for sexual liaisons hell yes! And there's not a jealous bone in my body. I mean after all, the 20 somethings I've been fucking over all of these years been getting fucked by plenty of other guys too LOL! Mongering is not for the jealous! It's like oil and water. They just don't mix successful mongering and jealousy. So sugar babies with multiple daddies doesn't bother me one iota hahaha! Mongering has prepared me for that. And I'm not in this to find a wife.

By the way, I signed up for a free account on SA and have been doing some looking. So far, I've identified 70 profiles that peak my interest, all of them local. I knew the pickings would be fertile. I eliminated anybody who said they were only interested in platonic, non-sexual, online only, long-distance or anything that gave a clue right off that bat that her underwear will never come down. But I got to tell you, if any of those girls are steady hooking, you would never know it from their profiles! But, I suppose that's how it's got to be right? Figure out who's who!

So at this point, I'm convinced to go ahead and get a paid account. But, I'm still concerned about throwing money down a pit without a good return, so still have to decide what tier. I know this much. I won't be putting $1,000 a meet into any of their giddy little hands! I know that much! I've set my max per meet at $500. If I can go lower, then of course I will. We shall see what happens. We shall see.

[DramaFree11]

I've been on SA for about a year and I must say, it has changed my life. I'm banging higher quantity and quality than I have at any other point in my adult life. I've been doing almost monthly trips to Tijuana and to Bogota. In a workweek, I try to bang 2-3 chicks per day and I've been doing a healthy mix of new girls and repeats with favorites. I've got my script down so I am upfront that I'm looking for "friends with benefits" and that I expect our relations to be natural. That selects out a decent percentage of girls but I've built a pretty extensive database of girls who are down.

That said, I'd like to ask for some guidance. I'd like to try another city (within a reasonable flight from the east coast of the US). I LOVE skinny girls (under 100 lbs) under 25 years old. What is a good, fertile place for me to hit?

Such a good report, very similar to my experiences. You might want to try CDMX, more of a long term game, but the sky is the limit here. I was spending a lot of time iin MTY definitely easier there, but it can get a little boring. I also love the Skinny girls.

[FilthyBeaver]

I've been asked outright for 1 k twice. Paid it once and still considering it for the other. As you clearly state, it's about expectations. Paying that at a $60 AMP makes no sense but the goal and circumstances are different. Paying that to get a no kidding GFE where she now knows my money is where my mouth is and there's no BS; I've now moved up in her priority queue (hopefully) which is what I want over time (hopefully if she's not a starfish or can't hold a conversation with me).

The more I've done SA the more I look at it like a poker game. You need to make the best decisions you can with bits and pieces of info that come in all different forms (words, actions, etc). When I'm playing poker I need to ante to be in the game. I may lose 10 antes before I have a hand I want to play. Price of doing business. If I need to blow 1 k to find out she's a dud that's fine because if she's not a dud I may be happier than a pig in shit that I'm getting her so "cheap" you just don't know. To be clear, we're way past talking about blowing your load in some hot girl. We're taking about, all things being equal, one might actually consider marrying because they literally check every box.

I easily believe 5 k. My first arrangement had a guy with a several thousand person company overseas. He'd write her a check for 5 k every month. It happens. It's the holy grail for some girls but fortunately for the masses (of the rest of us guys) those guys are few and far between.

Don't ever forget, they are there to cover expenses. Rent. X, college. Why, living expenses. Z, income from her job. A, shortfall. Be (that's where you come in). In a large expensive coastal city like mine 3-5 k a month sounds like a pretty honest answer. 10 k would be a little nuts. BTW there's nothing that says you need to be her only source. As long as you're not the jealous type accept you're one of a couple other guys and reserve yourself to the line. If she's that good then her part of the time is still probably better than her none of the time.

So I've been low key trying to hook up a date tonight but I am getting pros or we can't work timing or whatever. I'm now going to go on a SA mission. I'm going to hit it hard, find a girl, chat her up and meetup tonight. Wish me luck!

Ps in the WTF dept: Aftet wonderful chats and plans to meetup, Ive had one girl ask $1000 ppm and another $5000/mo allowance. I mean WTF really?

[NapataJohn]

Ps in the WTF dept: Aftet wonderful chats and plans to meetup, Ive had one girl ask $1000 ppm and another $5000/mo allowance. I mean WTF really?

One girl did start with 1000 but came down a bit and she was the best SB I ever had Still talk to her every week and if I am in her town we continue. I moved states so am far away now.

[Steve 9696]

So I've been low key trying to hook up a date tonight but I am getting pros or we can't work timing or whatever. I'm now going to go on a SA mission. I'm going to hit it hard, find a girl, chat her up and meetup tonight. Wish me luck!

Ps in the WTF dept: Aftet wonderful chats and plans to meetup, I’ve had one girl ask $1000 ppm and another $5000/mo allowance. I mean WTF really?

[Steve 9696]

Damn dude, great insights here. I enjoyed reading this a lot. I joined the site and spent a lot of time on it for the 2 months I was able to keep a standard premium subscription active before getting banned. I made some mistakes but that's water under the bridge now. Anyhow, I spent significant time texting with

She messaged when she arrived home to wish me good night, and we spent about 5 hours together so I have no complaints. But, was the time invested prior worth the experience? I don't know. I've since fucked another 7 girls here, and honestly I'm not sure I'll remember this experience more than the others, but maybe I just had a bad date. The cost was only about 2 hours worth with a pro here in Montreal, and she looked about a solid 8.

Anyhow, if I was still on the site maybe I would try my luck again, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze, at least I can't say that yet. Or maybe I just fuck too many pros and can't appreciate a normal girl because of it LOL.

Great report. Thanks for the view from Montreal. I think so much of the world is about expectations. Like if you book a pro and you show and she says let's have dinner first. You would be like WTF. I'm here to fuck. And the opposite is true also. You look on SA for something more authentic. So even those this had all the elements it didn't meet your expectation for a "real girl". And that's where it's off because it sounds pretty good otherwise!

I totally get this. Kayla has become a bit more of a homebody. She presented as a party girl (went to strip club and sex club together) but now all our dates are Netflix and chill (and still amazing bareback sex) so I am casually looking around for someone more fun on the town and it's def a slog. And I get girls who are like "let's skip dinner and just go to your hotel" and it's so funny because I am not so interested. She's saying "I just want to have sex for money" and my SA brain is saying don't settle for that. So I keep working SA and hope to turn up the real deal. But have these pros in back pocket.

And of course even tho Kayla has become more wifey we are super comfortable (too comfortable?) and sex remains mind blowing so I am careful not to accidentally kill this off.

Anyhow point is it's all in what you expect. Expect a true SA girlfriend and get a pro. disappointed. Expect to show up and fuck and get a dinner invite. Disappointed. True in all aspects of life.

[FilthyBeaver]

Nah, I was thinking you were banging them in the shop before opening hours. I'm a little less impressed knowing they have their own place Cheers bud.

In China, from what I understand, the girls are no longer allowed to live in the MPs. But almost all of them (maybe about 80-90 percent) live in a dorm that is provided by the MP. Rent is like $150 per month. Obviously, I cannot visit them at the dorm. However, some of gals hate living in those dorms, and will either find a roommate and rent a place, or live by themselves in a tiny studio apartment. The kinds of MP gals that rent on their own usually have a little bit too much pride to live in the dorm. These girls that have their own place still want to enjoy life a little bit, by going out with their friends, or having out-of-town friends visit them. They also take a day off from work every week or so. The ones that live in the dorms are strictly about making a living, and so they do almost nothing but work and sleep every day. Whenever I meet an MP gal that I like, I get their WeChat contact. If you really want to know more, then let me know.