Seeking Arrangements

[Akibono]

So close and yet so far.

Had a few girls engaged in my quest for an evening meetup. At lunch the only sure one was a Thai hooker who "didn't have time" for dinner and drinks but would come to my room for 400. So that was the backup plan.

At about 2 PM I snagged my date for the night. A very pretty PR and Italian mix but a bit heavy on the backside. With massive tits to match at least. No figure discussed. She seemed more about meeting up than the $$ but figured I would just play by ear. She was very down to meet and when I said I didn't know how it would work with my hotel and hour away from her she said she'the come to me. So she both put skin in the game and acknowledged hotel location was important. So far so good.

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on.

Given how little you invested, it makes sense to play along. She needs the money. If you chase, she just asks more. Because she is not a bombshell, her options are limited. I predict she will be back. No reason to bail so soon.

[Akibono]

Not saying anyone is worth 1 k. All I'm saying is that these girls are on this site for a reason. Look at the big picture and decide if it's worth it to you, no one can answer that but you. If you would have told me a month ago that I would pay 1 k I'd have said you're crazy. I've since seen a major difference between the girls with goals and the pros or semi-pros. I want to hang out with the goal driven ones and either that sentiment is reciprocated or they are good actors (don't really care honestly as we've never run out of banter and things to talk about). They have lots to say and are engaging company. I wouldn't pay 500 for a pro as there are tons of options where I live for quite a lot less if the goal is to bust a nut but that's not my style unless it's been months.

I can't do multiples in a day, I don't think I could do that in my prime. Honestly an A+ girl 2-3 times per month is all I want. Again, this is what works for me. We're probably going to spend close to the same amount and both get what we want so which one of us is right or wrong?

A non-pro girl will want someone who can pay for all her expenses so she doesn't have to work. Ideally, it would be with one or two guys. Plus, higher prices tends to weed out the time wasters. No guarantee that higher prices is better, but you probably avoid the pros at that level. If you find a gem, it will be worth it.

[Elvis 2008]

Too funny. Thank god, I do not have those issues in America. I debating about getting back on SA in San Antonio, but I just do not know. I have met a couple of girls in CDMX that have visa, so I can fly them in.

Be careful with that. You need to make sure you establish a really good relationship with a girl before doing that or you could be charged with trafficking. The feds do not even need to charge you with a crime to seize any assets associated with suspected trafficking.

Make sure she says she is your GF when she goes through customs and you have photos confirming the things boyfriends and girlfriends do. She needs to know a lot about you and you about her in case you get called on the phone.

You know what I do for a living and I flew in a Mexican woman who was a lawyer. She dressed kind of provocatively (she always did), and even with what I do for a living and her being a lawyer these customs guys had a field day with her for a few hours. They put her through so much shit she was in tears for an hour after getting out. But she came a total of three times, and the next two times she came in was no problem.

I am not saying do not do it. Just be prepared for the worst. The girl needs to dress down, and you have to get a story where you met that was not SA.

[FilthyBeaver]

Don't wear the mirror out or pull a muscle flexing tonight.

I think I mentioned in some prior reports that I reengaged with Tinder, took a Platinum membership for a year. So far, the pickings have been slim. Anyway, most girls on Tinder are either on Snap or Insta and consequently I signed up with Instagram as well (with a fake photo). Normally I use FB for all my family / friend social needs like most middle aged people do. Anyway, I got hit with the following message on Insta from a woman this morning:

"How are you doing, I will like to know if you are interested been my sugar baby and I will be paying you $300 for your weekly allowance".

There you have it. I had my roles switched from being a SD to a SB now, LOL. I feel so cheap, objectified, dirty eww haha.

Anyway, I looked up her photos, she is White but out of shape, probably early 40's but looks older due to not being in shape. Unfortunately, I have to pass. Oh well.

I wonder how all the early 20's sugarbabes feel, getting hit up middle aged out of shape dudes. I got a small taste of it now (well, I am not early 20's).

[FilthyBeaver]

I find no fault in anything you said but I guess I haven't made myself clear. What I want and what I pay works for me. I would never expect it to work for you or anyone else. I'm divorced, in decent (non dad-body) shape, have a gorgeous house, car and a little money. A catch really, don't want kids, don't want a family, don't want a girlfriend. I want to see an incredibly gorgeous engaging young lady 2-3 times per month (for an afternoon / evening and possibly sleepover). Note: that means less than once a week. I don't want to juggle girls as I'm happy with one who piques my interest and convinces me she's there for me and not my money (I'm totally open to being lied to BTW).

I don't want 5 sessions a month at any price. I also don't see anything wrong with helping said lady reach her goals in life. It's quite satisfying. I'm not leaving what I have to anyone in particular and I can only own so many pairs of pants and eat so many lobsters. Don't play golf or have have horribly expensive hobbies aside from, as it turns out, trying to make a legitimate connection with a girl I would have had zero chance with when I was in my early 20's.

So with all due respect 1 k is just a number and if you want to call it a waste it's your prerogative. I don't see it that way. I've spent that much on other experiences throughout my life and this has been money relatively well spent. I've spent 1 k on a single dinner before and regretted it. I can't say the same thing about my last 1 k liaison. She is a charmer and the experience lingers for days as it turns into a buildup in anticipation to the next meeting. I'm good with this feeling, might sound like I'm falling for her but having that all the time would lose some magic and I'm well aware of this and my own personality to know that.

Seriously, $1,000 ppm is a total waste. If someone wants to pay that much, their choice of course. Perhaps in San Fran, a top shelf girl may extract that much from a 30 something multi millionaire geek that got rich from selling a new age app company to a megacorp but not where I live; I have rarely exceeded 300 and with sufficient patience, I got the best girls in my area (away from the coasts). When I traveled to the big blue cities of NEast such as Boston I have paid up 350 but rarely 400; I have never ever given more than 400. If they insist, I pass. I don't need to fuck anyone that urgently. I stick to 18-25 White slim girls, occasionally fair skinned Latinos of the same age and body type.

For 2 grand a month, I can pretty much sign up any girl in my city for 5+ sessions a month. That is just the reality where I live.

[The Cane]

And just like that, I'm done with SA! I had been on there for only a couple of days with a free account. Which means that I was unable to communicate with anybody, and vice versa. There was absolutely nothing inappropriate about my account, and nothing of a sexual nature written in it at all! And then out of the blue I get "account suspended", and they want me to send in a government issued ID. Well fuck them! I'm not sending in my personal details to them! That site has been hacked before, and you end up getting exposed to blackmailers! Not going to happen! If I wanted to do that, then I could just go ahead and get verified, but as I said before, I don't trust releasing that kind of personal info to these dating sites that are full of fraudsters and time wasters anyway. Well, at least I didn't blow one thin dime on SA. I was just on the verge of getting a premium membership. Glad I didn't now. They can bite me LOL! Still independent and free! Happy New Year everybody!

[Steve 9696]

As long as it ends well it's kinda funny when your personal and date life cross paths. Happened twice during the holidays.

Time one. Driving with the wife and fam past the Hilton, all decked out with amazing lights on the trees outside. My wife comments how beautiful the lights are and I just say "yep". But what I really wanted to say was, "Yeah I thought the same thing this past week when I was fucking Uma and these lights were right outside our hotel room window!" But I restrained myself. LOL.

Time two. Shopping with the wife and fam at the local Athleta when a girl in a mask comes up to me and says "Hi, how are you?" My wife is in another part of the store but my mind is racing. Thought my babies would be smart enough to not engage in public! After a few beats, my panic subsided when I realize it's one of my sons high school friends! OMG. Close one. Not really but it sure felt like it!

[DramaFree11]

So close and yet so far.

Had a few girls engaged in my quest for an evening meetup. At lunch the only sure one was a Thai hooker who "didn't have time" for dinner and drinks but would come to my room for 400. So that was the backup plan.

At about 2 PM I snagged my date for the night. A very pretty PR and Italian mix but a bit heavy on the backside. With massive tits to match at least. No figure discussed. She seemed more about meeting up than the $$ but figured I would just play by ear. She was very down to meet and when I said I didn't know how it would work with my hotel and hour away from her she said she'the come to me. So she both put skin in the game and acknowledged hotel location was important. So far so good.

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on..

Too funny. Thank god, I do not have those issues in America. I debating about getting back on SA in San Antonio, but I just do not know. I have met a couple of girls in CDMX that have visa, so I can fly them in.

[Pessimist]

Not saying anyone is worth 1 k. All I'm saying is that these girls are on this site for a reason. Look at the big picture and decide if it's worth it to you, no one can answer that but you. If you would have told me a month ago that I would pay 1 k I'd have said you're crazy. I've since seen a major difference between the girls with goals and the pros or semi-pros. I want to hang out with the goal driven ones and either that sentiment is reciprocated or they are good actors (don't really care honestly as we've never run out of banter and things to talk about). They have lots to say and are engaging company. I wouldn't pay 500 for a pro as there are tons of options where I live for quite a lot less if the goal is to bust a nut but that's not my style unless it's been months.

I can't do multiples in a day, I don't think I could do that in my prime. Honestly an A+ girl 2-3 times per month is all I want. Again, this is what works for me. We're probably going to spend close to the same amount and both get what we want so which one of us is right or wrong?

Seriously, $1,000 ppm is a total waste. If someone wants to pay that much, their choice of course. Perhaps in San Fran, a top shelf girl may extract that much from a 30 something multi millionaire geek that got rich from selling a new age app company to a megacorp but not where I live; I have rarely exceeded 300 and with sufficient patience, I got the best girls in my area (away from the coasts). When I traveled to the big blue cities of NEast such as Boston I have paid up 350 but rarely 400; I have never ever given more than 400. If they insist, I pass. I don't need to fuck anyone that urgently. I stick to 18-25 White slim girls, occasionally fair skinned Latinos of the same age and body type.

For 2 grand a month, I can pretty much sign up any girl in my city for 5+ sessions a month. That is just the reality where I live.

Prices have declined in general through pandemic. Many girls are hurting. I have been on SA for 5+ years now, soon will complete 6. I don't know how many in this thread have been there that long. I discontinued my paid subscription through pandemic and rejoined a few months ago; otherwise I have been a paying subscriber the entire time. One really pretty 22 year old girl of Ukrainian extraction (she has been brought up in the US) even lamented "too many girls are in trouble, they are lowering the price, also many men have less income now; I never came down below $600 prior to pandemic but now willing to consider $500 level offers" She did a good market analysis and she was very pretty but I passed. Anyway, that is me.

[Pessimist]

I think I mentioned in some prior reports that I reengaged with Tinder, took a Platinum membership for a year. So far, the pickings have been slim. Anyway, most girls on Tinder are either on Snap or Insta and consequently I signed up with Instagram as well (with a fake photo). Normally I use FB for all my family / friend social needs like most middle aged people do. Anyway, I got hit with the following message on Insta from a woman this morning:

"How are you doing, I will like to know if you are interested been my sugar baby and I will be paying you $300 for your weekly allowance".

There you have it. I had my roles switched from being a SD to a SB now, LOL. I feel so cheap, objectified, dirty eww haha.

Anyway, I looked up her photos, she is White but out of shape, probably early 40's but looks older due to not being in shape. Unfortunately, I have to pass. Oh well.

I wonder how all the early 20's sugarbabes feel, getting hit up middle aged out of shape dudes. I got a small taste of it now (well, I am not early 20's).

[FilthyBeaver]

Not saying anyone is worth 1 k. All I'm saying is that these girls are on this site for a reason. Look at the big picture and decide if it's worth it to you, no one can answer that but you. If you would have told me a month ago that I would pay 1 k I'd have said you're crazy. I've since seen a major difference between the girls with goals and the pros or semi-pros. I want to hang out with the goal driven ones and either that sentiment is reciprocated or they are good actors (don't really care honestly as we've never run out of banter and things to talk about). They have lots to say and are engaging company. I wouldn't pay 500 for a pro as there are tons of options where I live for quite a lot less if the goal is to bust a nut but that's not my style unless it's been months.

I can't do multiples in a day, I don't think I could do that in my prime. Honestly an A+ girl 2-3 times per month is all I want. Again, this is what works for me. We're probably going to spend close to the same amount and both get what we want so which one of us is right or wrong?

It is interesting to hear you think a $1000 girl is worth it. I am just sorta morally opposed to more than $500. Took me a while to even move from 400 to 500. I think it's also partly any girl who thinks she's worth 1000 has an ego bigger than I want to deal with. But maybe I just need to try it. It's the multiple days that will kill me. I budget about $2 K / month for girls which I know a lot of folks think is a lot. But damn if I just do a three day trip at $1000/ day I've already blown it.

Will keep weeding and feeding but thanks for the perspective.

[The Cane]

So close and yet so far. Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on.

She loves speakeasies and the vibe was great. I was doing plenty of light touching and lean ins and the chemistry was there. Walked to the hotel hand in hand. Ninths room it was very comfortable and a bit playful. We end up on the bed and while we're chatting I softly play with her tits. We kiss some. Just letting it develop. Eventually I am pulling her lacy bra down and working her nipples which are super big and get nice and hard. She is clearly enjoying herself. We even get her dress mostly off. Licking at her waistline I move down to her thigh gap and get a "not ready for that yet". Boo. We do kiss some more and some more tit play but she is adamant no sex on first date. Damn 28 year olds!

Well obviously I am disappointed and she is surprised I would expect sex on first date. So a bit of a light verbal scuffle there.

To me, what she did was totally a foul. If you're not going to have sex on the first date and you know it, then you (she) doesn't let it go that far. That's nothing but teasing, she knows it, and I don't have time for that. If a lady decides not to do it on the first date and makes that clear upfront, then you know I don't have a problem with that. But, don't play with me! Now if it was me, I'd be done with her, especially if she offered nothing else to really want me to stay involved with her. You've got to be transparent about being in out regarding the old "in and out". No half-stepping! Don't waste your time (and money) Steve! Too many other options to pursue. I say move on. It was the bet date she ever had? Well, if you believe her, OK. But what about you? There's two parts to the equation, and she played a game with you man. One I personally don't like. Women man! I do like my straight up tutes LOLOLOL!

[Steve 9696]

So close and yet so far.

Had a few girls engaged in my quest for an evening meetup. At lunch the only sure one was a Thai hooker who "didn't have time" for dinner and drinks but would come to my room for 400. So that was the backup plan.

At about 2 PM I snagged my date for the night. A very pretty PR and Italian mix but a bit heavy on the backside. With massive tits to match at least. No figure discussed. She seemed more about meeting up than the $$ but figured I would just play by ear. She was very down to meet and when I said I didn't know how it would work with my hotel and hour away from her she said she'the come to me. So she both put skin in the game and acknowledged hotel location was important. So far so good.

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on.

She loves speakeasies and the vibe was great. I was doing plenty of light touching and lean ins and the chemistry was there. Walked to the hotel hand in hand. Ninths room it was very comfortable and a bit playful. We end up on the bed and while we're chatting I softly play with her tits. We kiss some. Just letting it develop. Eventually I am pulling her lacy bra down and working her nipples which are super big and get nice and hard. She is clearly enjoying herself. We even get her dress mostly off. Licking at her waistline I move down to her thigh gap and get a "not ready for that yet". Boo. We do kiss some more and some more tit play but she is adamant no sex on first date. Damn 28 year olds!

Well obviously I am disappointed and she is surprised I would expect sex on first date. So a bit of a light verbal scuffle there.

I am a bit torn about seeing her again. When she was putting on her heels she said it was the best date of her life. And she really wants to see me again. Not sure if this is just going to be a "freebie" kind of arrangement but expect the $$ asks to come at some point and not sure if she will be worth that. (Don’t know cuz we didn’t have sex!) The PG date was very nice. And free other than dinner cost. And she maybe a bit too dominant / controlling for me (she is def more put together than most girls I date.).

Ps Definitely reinforced my belief that early 20s are much more DTF and late 20s+ more inclined to feel things out first.

[DramaFree11]

It is interesting to hear you think a $1000 girl is worth it. I am just sorta morally opposed to more than $500. Took me a while to even move from 400 to 500. I think it's also partly any girl who thinks she's worth 1000 has an ego bigger than I want to deal with. But maybe I just need to try it. It's the multiple days that will kill me. I budget about $2 K / month for girls which I know a lot of folks think is a lot. But damn if I just do a three day trip at $1000/ day I've already blown it.

Will keep weeding and feeding but thanks for the perspective.

Yep, I can do $400-500, but that is my cutoff. Time you pay Uber and dinner you are at $600-800. That is my limit.

Less then $2000 I can go to Mxico and have sex all weekend, with multiple partners.

[Steve 9696]

I've been asked outright for 1 k twice. Paid it once and still considering it for the other. As you clearly state, it's about expectations. Paying that at a $60 AMP makes no sense but the goal and circumstances are different. Paying that to get a no kidding GFE where she now knows my money is where my mouth is and there's no BS; I've now moved up in her priority queue (hopefully) which is what I want over time (hopefully if she's not a starfish or can't hold a conversation with me).

The more I've done SA the more I look at it like a poker game. You need to make the best decisions you can with bits and pieces of info that come in all different forms (words, actions, etc). When I'm playing poker I need to ante to be in the game. I may lose 10 antes before I have a hand I want to play. Price of doing business. If I need to blow 1 k to find out she's a dud that's fine because if she's not a dud I may be happier than a pig in shit that I'm getting her so "cheap" you just don't know. To be clear, we're way past talking about blowing your load in some hot girl. We're taking about, all things being equal, one might actually consider marrying because they literally check every box.

I easily believe 5 k. My first arrangement had a guy with a several thousand person company overseas. He'd write her a check for 5 k every month. It happens. It's the holy grail for some girls but fortunately for the masses (of the rest of us guys) those guys are few and far between.

Don't ever forget, they are there to cover expenses. Rent. X, college. Why, living expenses. Z, income from her job. A, shortfall. Be (that's where you come in). In a large expensive coastal city like mine 3-5 k a month sounds like a pretty honest answer. 10 k would be a little nuts. BTW there's nothing that says you need to be her only source. As long as you're not the jealous type accept you're one of a couple other guys and reserve yourself to the line. If she's that good then her part of the time is still probably better than her none of the time.

It is interesting to hear you think a $1000 girl is worth it. I am just sorta morally opposed to more than $500. Took me a while to even move from 400 to 500. I think it's also partly any girl who thinks she's worth 1000 has an ego bigger than I want to deal with. But maybe I just need to try it. It's the multiple days that will kill me. I budget about $2 K / month for girls — which I know a lot of folks think is a lot. But damn if I just do a three day trip at $1000/ day I've already blown it.

Will keep weeding and feeding but thanks for the perspective.