Seeking Arrangements

[Cons68]

"The only time you do not LIE is when you have my dick in your mouth. ".

Shit.

At some point I told a Brazilian girlfriend (engineer, INSEAD MBA, consultant at MBB) "The only time you do not like is when you have my dick in your mouth. " She just looked sheepishly at me and said "Yes, that is true" and then we started fucking, she begging me to fuck her ass with no lube.

That sounds like "fun" but is batshit crazy. Not good, not healthy.

Still I may fly to Germany next month to fuck her after she had a baby with a German doctor. What cam I say.

And yes, stubborn. While working in Madrid for BCG she crashed, she phoned me to acknowledge that everything I had told her 10 years ago was truthful and accurate and she should have listened to me.

Took her more than 10 years to como to her senses, and taking a bad beating.

[Cons68]

It is all about what the comes from. Ok I am getting confused now.

Wow! Nice! Where is she from?

[Cons68]

At some point I told a Brazilian girlfriend (engineer, INSEAD MBA, consultant at MBB) "The only time you do not like is when you have my dick in your mouth. " She just looked sheepishly at me and said "Yes, that is true" and then we started fucking, she begging me to fuck her ass with no lube.

That sounds like "fun" but is batshit crazy. Not good, not healthy.

Still I may fly to Germany next month to fuck her after she had a baby with a German doctor. What cam I say.

And yes, stubborn. While working in Madrid for BCG she crashed, she phoned me to acknowledge that everything I had told her 10 years ago was truthful and accurate and she should have listened to me.

Took her more than 10 years to como to her senses, and taking a bad beating.

I had sex with more Brazilians, than any other nationality. My findings are that most of them having great difficulty being truthful. They also tend to be high minded, incredibly stubborn, and sometimes unrealistic. But then again, many women are that way, not just Brazilians. But definitely the untruthful thing with Brazilians. A recent survey indicated they cheat more than any other South American country.

[Cons68]

Yes, typical Brazilian.

This reminded me of two things. First, this Brasilera I had known for a long time meets me for a date after we haven't seen each other for a while and her phone background is her kissing a guy (most likely her boyfriend). I did a decent job compartmentalizing so the sex was still ok, but kinda odd. Brasileras are unique indeed.

[Cons68]

Once you move into relationship land Brazilians are tricky for foreigners.

Hookers / poor girls do not realise that the guy living the life while on holidays in Brazil, still has to work for 11 months of the year, these girls are simply dumb.

Middle class girls / professional girls, when moving to a western country can get annoyed with a few things. First, no maid. These girls always had a maid, that is cheap in Brazil, expensive in WE / USA, we have replaced labor with capital (dishwasher, washing machine.) but they crave the status signaled by owning slaves, I mean maids.

Weather, first winter they love it, the snow, so romantic. Second winter they get annoyed with the fucking weather. I have seen this a few times.

No matter what crap TV feeds you, cross cultural relationships are hard. Brazilian men know how to handle Brazilian women, they were typically raised by one, for starters.

I am willing to die in this hill!

This made me laugh Maybe I've had my appetizer then and should move on?

Can you tell me what you mean in more detail? Like you think Brazilians are bad at serious relationships (this came up in a past conversation with a Swede who lived in Brazil for a few years)?

[Simplii]

I saw the attached picture on Seeking! That looks like cum on her face! I bet her inbox is overflowing with messages LMFAO!

Wow! Nice! Where is she from?

[The Cane]

I saw the attached picture on Seeking! That looks like cum on her face! I bet her inbox is overflowing with messages LMFAO!

[TedFerguson]

I want to thank everyone for their advice. Whatever decision is made, it should be based in reality and you've reinforced the decision awhile back that PPM is the only option with her.

I have a saying I was reminding a friend of today. "Don't fuck with the fantasy. " What we do here on Seeking is primarily fantasy. Because real girlfriends and wives suck. We don't want that! We want fake girlfriends who give us all the good and none of the bad. As you get to know a girl u want to help her. You ask her what's up. You counsel her. And you fuck the fantasy! Don't fuck with the fantasy!

Second Brasileiras. We all love them for their open devil may care attitude. So they make great fake girlfriends. But unless you are super polyamorous with no jealous bones in your body they tend to make shitty monogamous girlfriends. They just aren't monogamous by nature. And neither am I. So I totally respect it. Just don't have any illusions.

Actually two Brasileiras I fuckrd got engaged a month or two later! Wtf? Yep. And of course the famous Thifany being one. When I found she was engaged I wished her luck in her life. She said "Why should anything change? He knows what I do from time to time. As does he. And he likes men also. " Hahaha Brasileiras are unique. Never think otherwise.

This reminded me of two things. First, this Brasilera I had known for a long time meets me for a date after we haven't seen each other for a while and her phone background is her kissing a guy (most likely her boyfriend). I did a decent job compartmentalizing so the sex was still ok, but kinda odd. Brasileras are unique indeed.

The second thing, a Colombian baby I kept in touch with likes to tell me that dishonesty is an integral part of sugar relationships. That jives with Steve's perspective that it's a fantasy. To me, it's not a fantasy though. I buy into the idea of helping them, and being a positive influence in their lives. I actually appreciate being involved in "their problems" provided the girl is a moral human being who makes effort to solve them and just needs a bit of help. I had a Colombian SB who really used the money to rent her own apartment, closer to her school, furnish it, and live a better life. She always made herself available to talk whenever. So I don't think it's always a fantasy.

Those are my two weaknesses, hot, young girls and when they have problems I can help with. I actually get a hard-on when she asks me for help with something. Maybe that's the problem, expecting that the ones who are problematic will learn and improve over time.

[Elvis 2008]

I think with her, PPM is the way to go since she had proved in the past that she doesn't honor monthly arrangements and has no problem seeing other guys.

Literally the exact same thing I was thinking.

[VanessasClient]

This made me laugh Maybe I've had my appetizer then and should move on?

Can you tell me what you mean in more detail? Like you think Brazilians are bad at serious relationships (this came up in a past conversation with a Swede who lived in Brazil for a few years)?

Brazilian women tend to be audacious. Most of them are more extroverted than any other nationality I know. I think part of it is due to cultural upbringing there. They are raised to pursue what they want, which is often men, particularly those with money or status, which aren't necessarily Brazilian men.

I had sex with more Brazilians, than any other nationality. My findings are that most of them having great difficulty being truthful. They also tend to be high minded, incredibly stubborn, and sometimes unrealistic. But then again, many women are that way, not just Brazilians. But definitely the untruthful thing with Brazilians. A recent survey indicated they cheat more than any other South American country.

A prominent one sticks out in my mind that I met back in early 2019, about a year before Covid hit, when P4 P in the US will still viable. Beautiful girl in her mid 30's, with dark skin, and very shapely breasts, although augmented. On the thinner side with excellent hygiene. When I first met her, she gave me whatever I wanted, including extra time each appointment, and CIM, among other things. Of course at 400 an hour, she was a deal I could not pass up. Especially given now you have to pay 600 an hour for garbage, or $1,000+ for something decent. Anyway. I was seeing her multiple times a week in general.

After a couple of months, I informed her the frequency of our visits would have to slow down because I was going to spend some of my leisure money on other stuff, not related to sex. She responds by saying "But I still want to see you as often, let me drop your rate from 400 to 250. " Of course I took her up on the offer.

But then around the same time something happened. I don't want to get into what, and it may not have been her fault, but her reply and reasoning were basically total bullshit, and obviously her head was in the clouds. Now, this did not stop me form continuing to see her, but the quality of her service diminished after that. Within 6 months she developed an attitude, and the value I was getting even for 250 an hour didn't really seem to add up anymore. Plus she lied to me, and I was sick of dealing with her hypocrisy. I was the one to eventually break it off, even though she reached out to me.

So, in summary, she started off great, but less than a year later, what she was offering was basically trashy service, most especially compared to what I was getting in the beginning. She immigrated to the country around 2016 or so, didn't know a lick of English at the time, and married some guy to get her green card, who she has since divorced. Though she claimed the marriage was legit in the beginning, until he started psychologically abusing her. And to show her hypocrisy, she later describes the same ex husband as a "close friend. " That's her 2nd divorce, she also divorced a guy back in Brazil.

She's the type of person that cannot be reasoned with, even if you laid the facts right out in front of her. She would still uphold her own beliefs. I guess her brain is just defective I would say this is the kind of experience I would expect from a Brazilian sex worker, particularly one that moves to the USA.

[Steve 9696]

This made me laugh Maybe I've had my appetizer then and should move on?

Can you tell me what you mean in more detail? Like you think Brazilians are bad at serious relationships (this came up in a past conversation with a Swede who lived in Brazil for a few years)?

Ted dude. Been forever. Glad you are doing well. Some good advice in here. I guess I will add my perspective. First on long term. I've had a local mistress for two years. First year was absolutely great. Second year less great. I mean she's amazing. But also I get her drama and depression. And the sex is slowing down in intensity and length. So the long term thing is great. But it gets less good. So def consider that.

I have a saying I was reminding a friend of today. "Don't fuck with the fantasy. " What we do here on Seeking is primarily fantasy. Because real girlfriends and wives suck. We don't want that! We want fake girlfriends who give us all the good and none of the bad. As you get to know a girl u want to help her. You ask her what's up. You counsel her. And you fuck the fantasy! Don't fuck with the fantasy!

Second Brasileiras. We all love them for their open devil may care attitude. So they make great fake girlfriends. But unless you are super polyamorous with no jealous bones in your body they tend to make shitty monogamous girlfriends. They just aren't monogamous by nature. And neither am I. So I totally respect it. Just don't have any illusions.

Actually two Brasileiras I fuckrd got engaged a month or two later! Wtf? Yep. And of course the famous Thifany being one. When I found she was engaged I wished her luck in her life. She said "Why should anything change? He knows what I do from time to time. As does he. And he likes men also. " Hahaha Brasileiras are unique. Never think otherwise.

[MiamiBoy1]

Looks like she is messed up because she doesn't know what she wants in life.

And, I feel like you have a weak spot for her. Worst is, she knows this. I am no one to comment but risking so merely reading one side of the story. She seems to be manipulating you.

If you want good sex, with no drama. Don't see her. If you are ok with the drama. Like you said, its just a one way flight fare. But, before that, think deep about how you'd feel if she comes to Barcelona and fucks up again. If that won't affect you mentally or otherwise. Yeah, give it a try.

But, frankly, I see only redflags.

I couldn't have said this better.

I think with her, PPM is the way to go since she had proved in the past that she doesn't honor monthly arrangements and has no problem seeing other guys.

[Gfefan]

Looks like she is messed up because she doesn't know what she wants in life.

And, I feel like you have a weak spot for her. Worst is, she knows this. I am no one to comment but risking so merely reading one side of the story. She seems to be manipulating you.

If you want good sex, with no drama. Don't see her. If you are ok with the drama. Like you said, its just a one way flight fare. But, before that, think deep about how you'd feel if she comes to Barcelona and fucks up again. If that won't affect you mentally or otherwise. Yeah, give it a try.

But, frankly, I see only redflags.

I'm back after losing my password for a bit and being too lazy to recover it. I wish I did it earlier, since I probably could have saved a bunch of anguish with input from this forum.

I've had an on-off sugar baby in Brazil which I've known for over a year. We started meeting fall of 2022 in So Paulo and had a mini, PPM-based relationship for a few months. Afterwards, we had a falling out, she went to try living in the US and there was overall little communication. Spring of 2023, she's back in Brazil and we spend a few mini-vacations together in Rio and Florianopolis, which were great. She goes back to the US, and again completely disappears from communication. I found out later she was also seeing another guy while in the US, who wasn't supporting her financially. She was working as a house cleaner, and the stress was too much for her, she came back emaciated and with acne on her forehead (likely due to the standard American diet).

I was still very attracted to her and respected her more for trying to make it in the US. We had a couple fun days before I had to leave So Paulo, and I offered her monthly support with her expenses until I come back. Overall, I didn't feel happy with the arrangement because compared to other similar girls who've had similar arrangements, she made less time to be available in calls and generally made less effort. I found out later she was seeing the same guy in Brazil for a part of the time, she lied a few times about being busy while she was really out partying, etc. I arrive back in So Paulo after a few months, and she behaves pretty poorly, at one point saying "I don't want to be here but I have to pay my rent". At that point, I knew things weren't going to work out with the monthly arrangement and told her things were going back to PPM. Understandably, the level of connection dropped a fair bit, but the sex was still good and we could still have fun moments together.

She decides to go to Italy for a month and I visited her on my way to see family in Europe. We spend a few days together in Italy, which start off great but eventually spiral after she admits she hasn't paid her college for 2 months and needs even more money to cover the late fees. To make things worse, she decides to go back to Brazil which is too far for me to travel again. I told her I won't pay for her mistakes (she spent the money on clothes and hair products) and she should face the consequences herself.

Fast forward about a month until now, she calls me crying telling me she had family issues, doesn't want to see other men in Brazil and can I please take her out of the country to Europe (I'm in Barcelona now). I'm thinking what that would have to look like to make it work for me. She'd probably have to live with me, and I'd cap her monthly support at a fixed sum. The concern I have is that it might be too taxing for me to "take care of her" as she needs to be taken care of (namely with strong boundaries). I'm not a person who enjoys being firm with others, and I think she needs that. I also worry she might be destabilizing to my life and goals in general.

On the other hand, part of me is saying, it'll only be a one-way flight ticket to try. She is really hot, and when not being a fuck-up, quite chill to be around and down to do whatever I want. And if it doesn't work, I can ship her off to her family in Italy for less than $100. I can structure the agreement how I like and if she doesn't agree to it, we can all move on. Thoughts?

[TedFerguson]

Brazilians make a great appetiser but a horrible main dish.

This made me laugh Maybe I've had my appetizer then and should move on?

Can you tell me what you mean in more detail? Like you think Brazilians are bad at serious relationships (this came up in a past conversation with a Swede who lived in Brazil for a few years)?

[FilthyBeaver]

Good comments. Getting close to posting my results from goldbikiniclub in poland but I've gone to my whatsapp and telegram conversations to get an idea of how long I chatted with them before one of us brought up money.

Girl 1 - 1 HR 40 min texting back and forth no less than every 3 or 4 min. She brought it up. Immediate yes to my proposal.

Girl 2 - 9 days chatting daily. I brought it up. Another 6 days before she actually agreed to meet. I threw out the first number, she countered and I accepted.

Girl 3 - 40 min. I brought it up. Immediate yes to my proposal.

A pro would never spend this kind of time with me and the only way I can do it is if there is some amount of chemistry / mutual interest with genuine conversation flowing in both directions. I'm purposely leaving out numbers as I feel they're irrelevant but if any of the regular contributors would like to dm me I'll share them privately once the report is posted and you know a litte about the circumstances surrounding each girl.

I did the same thing. That would give me a ballpark of what was reasonable.

Sadly in the USA, there always had to be a price discussion, but my best dates were when price was not mentioned.

Still, guys here should remember what the goal of being a sugar daddy should be. It is not getting laid for as little as possible. It is that the woman wants to fuck you for nothing, and you want to give her money because you care about her and want her life to be better. I get that is not always that easy to find, but a really good sugar baby or really good sugar daddy is almost priceless.

My first sugar baby and I saw each other for four years. In year 3, I asked her to spontaneously meet me for dinner. Granted, she always had boyfriends who needed her for some crisis, but she rushed to meet me and asked, "What is wrong?" I just said I wanted dinner and was hungry and wanted company, and she sighed with relief. She said in all the time I have known I had asked nothing of her spontaneously whereas almost everyone else in her life was doing it all the time. That is how much she cared. She dropped everything when she thought I needed her.

Every so often even now, I will have an ex-SB text or call me needing help, and I will usually do it because I still consider us friends. What I have found is if the women cares about you (and vice versa), and that can just be genuine affection and not even love, the sex is infinitely better.

Getting laid is easy. Getting a high quality sugar baby is much harder, but it is so worth it when you get a good one.