Seeking Arrangements

[J Janni]

All this back and forth got me pretty damn horny, so on the theory that a pussy in hand is worth two in the Bush as girls are flakey.

Got a date lined up for tomorrow. Tall, slim, pretty brunette. 29. It's 150 ppm but unlike the other girl, she can host so it keeps the cost down. Depends on how it goes, I might pie off the Sunday date.

For anyone contemplating looking into SBs in the UK and concerned about the hotel thing, there's a couple of websites dayrooms.com and dayuse. Co. Uk. You can book a hotel room in the day all over the country. Nothing to pay upfront, occupy from 10 am - 5 pm, cancel by up to mid-day on the day of the booking and pay no fee (not sure how they'd collect a fee if you cancelled after / no showed as they don't have my card details. Maybe just blacklist you if you don't pay). 50% cheaper than overnight rate. My experience so far with SA is it definitely doesn't need to be the trips abroad, fine dining and expensive hotels it might first appear to be.

Even the teen stunners I've floated the idea with seem happy to PPM and straight to a hotel during the day. Whether they'd flake or not remains to be seen.

[J Janni]

Man, wouldn't you be a little worried if any gal agreed to BBFSCIP from the very beginning? Any new girl that agrees to that from the very beginning, then it suggests that she is doing it with lots of others. It kind of indicates that she does not place any value on herself and on her life and is indifferent if she dies from a risk or a disease.

I love BBFS, but I can almost never get it from a new gal right away, but after the gal becomes familar with me, feels safe with me, and kind of even likes me, (and this might take months), she might eventually let me bareback her. Just last week, I finally barebacked someone that I've been doing covered sex with for a couple of years. We were making out passionately, and before she knew what was going on, I slipped my uncovered cock into her, and she freaked out, but after a minute of my reassuring her and gently comforting her, she relented. So, given that it took a couple of years to get to this point, I feel like I kind of earned it. A few days ago, I saw her again, and this time we just went straight to bareback. It does not always take this long to bareback someone of course. Sometimes it only took me a few months, and in a few rare cases it only took me a few dates. But eventually, I am able to bareback most gals if I want to, even though almost all of them adamantly refused barebacking from the beginning.

And so, my point is, maybe just gradually and patiently ease into it, and not ask for it right away.

I'm a serial non-monogamist which is why I'm in this hobby. By the second or third session, I'm losing interest. Give me Keira Knightley all holes, all night long, bareback and she pays me. The second session isn't as good as the first and by the third, I'm planning on how to ditch her. It will never beat the thrill of getting a new girl's knickers off, discovering what she's like in bed, seeing (if it isn't discussed up front) whether I'm 'smooth' to get it to happen in the room, slide in there and cum inside her.

With the girls I've got upfront agreements from, I'm selective. And it might sound like I've made getting the agreement easy, but it's taken a lot of chatting, videocalls etc with the girls I might actually go and see. In person, I'd back away if there was anything suspicious to put me off.

Am I naïve enough to think I'd be the only one they're doing it with? No. But I think they're probably getting a different class of clientele and lower footfall than the Thai and Filipina hookers guys on here are happily barebacking.

So yeah, I try to be selective, take Prep and doxy prophylactically, test frequently (can do it by post for free in the UK. Protip, tell sexual health clinics / online government services in the UK you're a gay bottom hooker, you get the red carpet haha) and just accept my level of risk.

Basically, you're using SA properly and how it's designed. I'm looking for great one off experiences with girls you just don't get in the escort scene in the UK, with that no rushed and practically no limits (these girls don't come with a list of 'nos' like the pro girls) feel.

Ethics of it are definitely up for debate.

[Midwestern]

Man, wouldn't you be a little worried if any gal agreed to BBFSCIP from the very beginning? Any new girl that agrees to that from the very beginning, then it suggests that she is doing it with lots of others. It kind of indicates that she does not place any value on herself and on her life and is indifferent if she dies from a risk or a disease.

I love BBFS, but I can almost never get it from a new gal right away, but after the gal becomes familar with me, feels safe with me, and kind of even likes me, (and this might take months), she might eventually let me bareback her. Just last week, I finally barebacked someone that I've been doing covered sex with for a couple of years. We were making out passionately, and before she knew what was going on, I slipped my uncovered cock into her, and she freaked out, but after a minute of my reassuring her and gently comforting her, she relented. So, given that it took a couple of years to get to this point, I feel like I kind of earned it. A few days ago, I saw her again, and this time we just went straight to bareback. It does not always take this long to bareback someone of course. Sometimes it only took me a few months, and in a few rare cases it only took me a few dates. But eventually, I am able to bareback most gals if I want to, even though almost all of them adamantly refused barebacking from the beginning.

And so, my point is, maybe just gradually and patiently ease into it, and not ask for it right away.

Date never came off. I was on the way and the girl videocalled, half gazeboed at 10 am and asking me to bring more booze with me. Noped out, too skeezy even for me.

I've got a couple of other girls on the hook. Pretty, 23 year old single mum from near Liverpool. A chav for my fellow Brits (I am kind of into that.) BBFSCIP agreed to for 150 ppm. Meeting her at a hotel Sunday. From our chat and videocall, she seems proper filthy. In a good way.

Gorgeous, stacked Black British 20 year old in Liverpool for 200 ppm. BBFSCIP. Possibly might go and see her Tuesday or Wednesday.

Looked into SA during Covid, but it was too difficult to arrange anything with the hotels shuts. Did my research and got all the cheat phrases and advice. It amazes me that these girls don't see themselves as W G. But if you messaged them, '150 an hour outcall, bareback and cum in pussy' you'd get shut down in an instant.

This SA thing is going to bankrupt me though.

[Elvis 2008]

I help that 4th category and fuk the guilt, having sex with the most gorgeous women I can find as often as possible. It is a relief to read these posts. See you all in Medellin, one month beginning November 24. Elvis?

Flight for Cartagena now is November 30 to December 6. I am working like a MF last two weeks of December but might be able to stay until the 8th.

Hopefully, we will be setting up our apartment in Cartagena then. It will be nice to have an apartment just the way I / we want it.

I am working on a threesome but it is not going so well. According to this video, I am probably at stage 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrnbga-zDA.

With my luck, she will say okay on a threesome and then want it to be with another guy.

I feel like I am a disappointment to the forum but what do you do when you find a girl who gets more stares than anyone you have ever been with, does not ask for a dime, is so sweet she will do anything you ask both in and out of the bedroom, and gets pissed when she does not get it at least 3 X a day?

The women usually have a weakness. It is rare to find a woman top 10 (for me) in kissing, giving head, fucking, and sex drive. That never happens but it did with her. I think God will curse me with shitty sex the rest of my life if I mess this up.

If you come to CTG, the place to go is supposedly Dolce Vita. One guy said it had more hot women per square inch than anywhere in the world. My gal actually was interested in going there and going dancing.

I do not know about you but I have this annoying little habit of looking at other women when I am with my gal or another one. Inevitably, when I think I have the hottest, there is one better. That has not happened with her either. There has been a few rare times there has been equal but not better.

It looks like I am destined to be a one woman man. How the hell did this happen?

[J Janni]

So if you don't talk BBFScip early it sounds like I do talk about that some time. When and how are you bringing it up to these girls? I know the girls I am after would ghost me in two seconds. Sounds like you are finding more WG style girls?

I've got maybe four categories I've mentally put the girls (that aren't / probably aren't video sellers / scammers) into;.

Escorts. Probably have an AdultWork account or if they don't, they should. They're after £200+ppm and have a list of dos and donts. Bareback is a definite no go, like it would be with most of the girls on Adultwork if you ask for it straight up, out of the blue.

Absolute skanks. They're offering it up at 100-150 ppm. Drunks, drunk addicts, fat an / or fuck ugly!

Semi-pro kinda girls. Newish to the game, maybe hurting for short term money, mid-tier attractiveness, think there's probably a difference between them and a straight up escort. Probably not aware of their 'worth' yet. Condom use outside of the P4 p world isn't as prevalent as you might think so it isn't an absolute 'no' with these girls to fuck without a condom. Generally I find they're biting at 150 ppm or 200 ppm.

Proper SBs (the ones I'm interested in anyway) - Teen, early twenties, pretty as fuck stunners with perfect bodies. Aware of how the game is played, so will take PPM if you play it right. Generally going for 200-250+ppm.

I ditch the first two categories on discovery, focus on the second;.

My profile makes a big deal about how I travel for work and pleasure so much, lots of pictures of exotic locales, so no time for a traditional relationship. When we get chatting, I'll talk about a previous (imaginary) SB I had a casual, ongoing relationship with. She was so chill, 25, good job, we'd meet at hers a couple nights a month when I was in the UK, takeaway, wine and a movie. I'm a wealthy guy, see, just simple. (sets expectations that five star hotel and a £100 dinner on a PPM won't be forthcoming, not my style see.).

Talk about how I want to rekindle that, loved the casual and intimate nature bla-bla. Eventually move the conversation on to sexual likes and dislikes. With the stunner SBs, that's where I leave it. If we can find a PPM that works for both of us, I'd be happy for that quality of girl to use a condom. BBFSCIP with those girls I feel (and it has been my experience in other arenas) is more likely to happen with a 'go with the flow' in the room approach. Take your time on foreplay and teasing, get them off with oral yada-yada. An untested theory with SBs.

The 'semi-pro' girls, that's the point I'll ask if they're on birth control and get tested regularly. If they say no, they're probably lying and cutting the bareback question off. Sometimes they say yes and 'I always use protection. ' If they yes and nothing else, I start gushing about 'Oh good, that's what I miss most about previous relationship, the worry free, natural sex, the intimacy of cumming inside bla bla. ' Often the response I get is something like 'oh yes' and even an admission of 'hating the feel of condoms. '.

All untested yet. YMMV, for all I know I'm just talking to scammers / video sellers and bored girls with no intentions of meeting.

[Steve 9696]

Date never came off. I was on the way and the girl videocalled, half gazeboed at 10 am and asking me to bring more booze with me. Noped out, too skeezy even for me.

I've got a couple of other girls on the hook. Pretty, 23 year old single mum from near Liverpool. A chav for my fellow Brits (I am kind of into that.) BBFSCIP agreed to for 150 ppm. Meeting her at a hotel Sunday. From our chat and videocall, she seems proper filthy. In a good way.

Gorgeous, stacked Black British 20 year old in Liverpool for 200 ppm. BBFSCIP. Possibly might go and see her Tuesday or Wednesday.

Looked into SA during Covid, but it was too difficult to arrange anything with the hotels shuts. Did my research and got all the cheat phrases and advice. It amazes me that these girls don't see themselves as W G. But if you messaged them, '150 an hour outcall, bareback and cum in pussy' you'd get shut down in an instant.

This SA thing is going to bankrupt me though.

So if you don't talk BBFScip early it sounds like U do talk about that some time. Personally I’d be scared of any that allow CIP. That’s a level of desperation that I don’t want to get close to. When and how are you bringing it up to these girls? I know the girls I am after would ghost me in two seconds. Sounds like you are finding more WG style girls?

[J Janni]

So, this could be a winner.

Videocalled her again last, sweet talked her into showing me her pussy. Cute, very hairy. And she was wet, very wet, making cute little noises when she spread herself. I think all the talk of cumming in her pussy turned her on.

I'm taking the ungroomed nature (she's agreed to shave) and the wetness as a good sign. Inclined to believe her when she says she hasn't had sex in a year.

Got a date set in a couple of hours time, will report back.

Date never came off. I was on the way and the girl videocalled, half gazeboed at 10 am and asking me to bring more booze with me. Noped out, too skeezy even for me.

I've got a couple of other girls on the hook. Pretty, 23 year old single mum from near Liverpool. A chav for my fellow Brits (I am kind of into that.) BBFSCIP agreed to for 150 ppm. Meeting her at a hotel Sunday. From our chat and videocall, she seems proper filthy. In a good way.

Gorgeous, stacked Black British 20 year old in Liverpool for 200 ppm. BBFSCIP. Possibly might go and see her Tuesday or Wednesday.

Looked into SA during Covid, but it was too difficult to arrange anything with the hotels shuts. Did my research and got all the cheat phrases and advice. It amazes me that these girls don't see themselves as W G. But if you messaged them, '150 an hour outcall, bareback and cum in pussy' you'd get shut down in an instant.

This SA thing is going to bankrupt me though.

[DonCarlos1234]

Yeah, you guys are totally right. I forgot about the category of SBs (and some WGs) that have decent jobs, but they just hook or SB on the side for some extra cash. In fact, these are specifically the ones that I searched for on SA.


Anyway, I just brought up the categories because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the gals that are good people, but they sell their bodies because they feel like they have no other choice in order to survive for themselves and / or for their family. I am regularly seeing several gals that fall into this category, and it is eating me up.
For example, they are single moms with no money and with very poor parents and are from a very rural part of the country. They leave their kids back home and come to the big city to sell their bodies to have enough money to take care of the family. I feel guilty about seeing them, because I feel like I am taking advantage of their bad situation in life. And because my situation is the opposite of theirs. I was born into a good family, and raised well. I am actually lazy and a loser, but because I have a college degree that my parents paid for, I am doing okay financially with a decent job. And so, I feel like I am bad person because I am taking advantage of good people. I did not deserve my good fate and they did not deserve their bad fates. Ironically, they are among the best WGs, SBs, GFs that I ever had.

Never thought this was where my Mom's SD dates from the 70's would finally make sense. She kept me from knowing (but years later I figured it out) There was no SA then. The USA was a perfect, clean, pious place to grow up in. Where we lived in a preachers home (my grandfather, yikes!) & all the time Mom had at least 5-6 SD's that I know now helped her to make it in that country town. And we only left when she married a wealth businessman (my stepfather) . So I guess it's no wonder in today's world I get to do the same. I help that 4th category and fuk the guilt, having sex with the most gorgeous women I can find as often as possible. It is a relief to read these posts. See you all in Medellin, one month beginning November 24. Elvis?

[Midwestern]

Ended up giving her 400 after a six hour date including 3 full hours in the bedroom and two mega shots.

Man, I love long fuck sessions. Last fall, when I rented that apartment for 6 months, the first time that I brought Maya there, I stuck my dick into her and we fucked for 5 hours. I just stuck it in and then we did DFK for the entire time. We did a food break in the middle of it. But LOL, she had no idea what she was in for, and she complained about it hard the next day, saying that she could barely walk. But her vagina felt amazing and her body was amazing and she was a great kisser and just totally beautiful, and so those 5 hours went by pretty fast. Too bad that she dumped me in February.

This year, my longest fuck session was with an MP gal that was super into me, and I even rented an apartment for her. We would fuck for three hours at a time. She never wanted to stop, she loved it too.

I always took a couple of gulps of beer before long sessions, to make sure my dick was numb so that I would not cum.

Tomorrow I am supposed to see that married skinny MILF. She is also usually DTF for hours too, but lately we just go at it for only 2 hours. I guess the novelty is slowly wearing off with her.

[J Janni]

Yes, that was me. Phuket and Pattaya. Was considering a bandit run back to Thailand but timings just aren't going to work.

Smoking hot single momma' never came off. Definite scammer. But at least she's a polite scammer who didn't let me do a 40 minute round trip.

Got another girl lined up for tomorrow morning, 40 minutes away. Short, petite 25 year old black British girl. Confirmed ID with videocall. BBFSCIP agreed to upfront (very reluctantly) for 150 ppm. All the other girls I've taken to WhatsApp are wanting 250+ per meet.

So, this could be a winner.

Videocalled her again last, sweet talked her into showing me her pussy. Cute, very hairy. And she was wet, very wet, making cute little noises when she spread herself. I think all the talk of cumming in her pussy turned her on.

I'm taking the ungroomed nature (she's agreed to shave) and the wetnesss as a good sign. Inclined to believe her when she says she hasn't had sex in a year.

Got a date set in a couple of hours time, will report back.

[Pessimist]

Met another new girl today. Met her around 2:30 PM, so it was past lunch time. Went straight to the hotel. A bit risky for my taste, but I let the dick run my head. Pretty tall girl, 5'10"; White; not fat but not skinny either; she was really athletic. Pretty face, upturned nose and slight dimples, the kinda girl that drives me crazy. 22 years old, almost 23. She is a recent transplant to my city from a coastal state. Very outgoing, quite confident, super experienced babe. Had been doing this since she was 18, she said. We met in some parking lot, she came and sat in my car and we drove to a hotel nearby, she didn't have the slightest hesitation getting into the car of a stranger. I took it as a compliment that she trusted me enough. She is very experienced sexually, she admitted she had multiple sugardads not to mention several boyfriends and fuckboys of her own. Into the room, right away began with deep kissing, disrobed me and gave very wet blow job; she encouraged me to finger her with 3 fingers, and almost squirted; very wet in fact, rarely see it. 20 to 30 minutes of fucking in multiple positions; for some reason could not cum. She peeled off the condom, and blew me again with me standing up and her on the knees, and swallowed every last drop. Wow. That last act alone costs like a 50 extra in FKKs and they immediately spit it into a paper towel before I even stop cumming. This one wiped me so cleanly, I could have put my underwear on with no more rinsing.

The session itself didn't last more than 70 minutes. Very different session from the one with my college girl that spent 3+ hours with me, 2 in the room. But the girl today is a lot more pro, although of the same age.

There was a porn star called Meggan Mallone 10 to 15 years ago. Today's girl could be her twin, where looks are concerned.

[J Janni]

Yeah I find London breaks my formula. In the US the cost of a pro for an hour is a good proxy for an SA girl for the evening. But in London I can get a nice girl for 150-200 at Diva say. But I couldn't find SA girls there. 250 was as low as I found in my limited experience when pass thru in 2019 and 2020.

I'm in the NorthWest, bordering upon the West Midlands.

I've got the slums of Liverpool, Birmingham and Manchester within spitting distance and these girls are still talking stupid numbers. It's a filtering game, isn't it?

[Steve 9696]

Yes, that was me. Phuket and Pattaya. Was considering a bandit run back to Thailand but timings just aren't going to work.

Smoking hot single momma' never came off. Definite scammer. But at least she's a polite scammer who didn't let me do a 40 minute round trip.

Got another girl lined up for tomorrow morning, 40 minutes away. Short, petite 25 year old black British girl. Confirmed ID with videocall. BBFSCIP agreed to upfront (very reluctantly) for 150 ppm. All the other girls I've taken to WhatsApp are wanting 250+ per meet.

Yeah I find London breaks my formula. In the US the cost of a pro for an hour is a good proxy for an SA girl for the evening. But in London I can get a nice girl for 150-200 £ at Diva say. But I couldn't find SA girls there. 250 £ was as low as I found in my limited experience when pass thru in 2019 and 2020.

[J Janni]

Love your never say die attitude. Why not go in glass half full but with low expectations. I like it. But def I'm betting on the 99.9999% outcome! Best of luck!

Ps loved reading ur recent reports. In the Phuket thread as i recall?

Yes, that was me. Phuket and Pattaya. Was considering a bandit run back to Thailand but timings just aren't going to work.

Smoking hot single momma' never came off. Definite scammer. But at least she's a polite scammer who didn't let me do a 40 minute round trip.

Got another girl lined up for tomorrow morning, 40 minutes away. Short, petite 25 year old black British girl. Confirmed ID with videocall. BBFSCIP agreed to upfront (very reluctantly) for £150 ppm. All the other girls I've taken to WhatsApp are wanting £250+ per meet.

[Steve 9696]

Damn I must be living right. My rekindle of a late 2019 girl in a second tier city I visit far exceeded expectations. Ended up giving her 400 after a six hour date including 3 full hours in the bedroom and two mega shots. In the past we were pressed for time and it was very transactional. This time it was much more BFGF once we got going and man does she love to drink and becomes quite the vixen once the Tito's is flowing.

Full report to follow.