Seeking Arrangements

[NapataJohn]

Pessimist you and Steve write so well about the Pros and Cons of SA.

I stay in Florida near Tampa and have been seeing girls off SA. Usually white but some Latinas and mixed too.

The prices range from 300 to 550 for about 3 hours. For the lower end ones who do not drive I provide Uber up and down.

I have used SA for about 5 years too and used it in Dallas And LA.

Dallas the range was between 400 to 450 but here in FL it varies more depending on the need for money urgently for the girl.

[ExExpatriate]

So, Nina. She has worked in a couple of nuru spas on the outskirts of Lisbon, and is currently an independent in Amadora. The photos on the link are from about 4 years ago, when she had ads on docemassagem, but they are still accurate (excepting the tats, which are airbrushed out).

https://www.classificadosx.net/pt/an...ensual-9268993

From the neck up, she is a normal Portuguese woman of 45. From the neck down, she is a petite girl of 23 with a boob job that suits her perfectly. She is professional rather than passionate, but a very solid professional, and her nuru massage includes option for oral (no cover) and convivo.

Best of all, 100/ h, which makes up for the ride out to see her.

[Steve 9696]

Yeah Pessimist you might be onto something here with subsidies dying out. Kayla is expensive at 500 but in a big city and worth every penny. Recently tho last couple local girls have been quick to say yes to 300. And my recent out of town duo they were 500 for both together. I thought maybe because they are black they feel like they need to charge less (had a black girl tell me this once).

But my recent rekindle in a city I am going to is white. Saw her last in 2019 and we were at 300 tho she had pushed hard for 400. This time she says "will 300 be ok?" Like she's thinking that is high. I have a shit ton of money so I don't try to negotiate too hard and said sure. But def feel like price on SA is having downward pressure.

[Pessimist]

Thanks very much Steve. My association with SA goes back to early / mid 2016. I paid subscription all through 4 years till 2020; resubscribed in late August after I got my shots. I used to write about Seeking and Sugar babes in the German threads, before MW started this thread which I didn't discover till later. Perhaps you mentioned SA thread in German threads and I realized about the existence of this. There was a German gentleman called Bfsie who was also using sugarbabes in Germany and we discussed sugardating in the FKK lounge section. Writing field reports is not my forte; I never wrote those trip*reports in the FKK threads either. More of an "add to the discussion" type guy here.

I think it is accurate to characterize my use of SA as casual. Part of that is that I used to make 5 or even 6 trips to DE annually which are heavy, volume based usage trips. Before and after each trip, I am satiated or saving up and not in a rush to get back into the SB scene. Secondly, by far the biggest constraint for me is to conduct these amorous activities in a clandestine fashion. It is not even about hiding; it is about not even raising the smallest hint of suspicion. Browsing the site, talking to dozens of girls, texting, arranging meetings, being away for hours, hiding the money tracks which is not easy given that we have a joint account of everything we own, etc etc is not an easy task. I feel like I am playing w / fire sometimes but so far I have managed it. In that sense, my constraints and priorities are quite uncommon.

Also, I never built deep relationships with sugarbabes. In all these years, I might have had sessioned with 70+ sugarbabes but nearly half of them were one or two session girls. In a sense, the SB scene worked for me as an extension of the FKK usage model. In a club, I don't repeat with the same girl again and again unlike some mongers do. I am more of a "spread the oats wide, not deep" type dude. I mean, I am already married. I am straying. I am looking for a physical outlet. What is the attraction in building alternate relationships? There are half a dozen sugarbabes who I repeated more than a handful of times, that's it.

I don't think the girls, at least the girls I meet, are in a rush to get into longer, deeper arrangements / relationships. Perhaps they can sense I have some sort of coolness / aloofness? I tell them I am married, which also removes any sort of illusion that it can become something more. I pull back when it starts becoming too intense, too frequent. I am slow in responding, I intentionally ghost them for days if a girl appears to be becoming too close. They get the hint.

Also, the girls I meet do move around a lot. Many are using text apps for privacy reasons as I do, and they change those numbers somewhat regularly. For example, if I discontinue my hushed subscription (which I did, along with my SA subscription), when I rejoined hushed, I have a new number now. If I reach out to any previous girls, I have to reintroduce myself, send a pic, etc. Also, I focus on the younger populations (less than 25) and that group does tend to move around a lot. Many are students at local Univ / colleges and move out after graduation, or some other financial obstacle. My rolodex in that sense, is of some but limited use. I rarely met girls that I have not seen in 18+ months. And also, I have no desire to meet up girls from 4 or 5 years ago. They might not be so attractive, they are definitely older, why bother. My entire reason to be on this site is sex and physical activity. I don't want to share life stories with them.

You are right about the US not being a sex prison. Mongerer88 has made this point repeatedly. One reviewer just wrote a report in Sharks thread that he had one single session in the club which came to 215 Euro together with the entry fee for one hour session. Yes, I had to pay for the motel myself, but the cost / hour ratio*worked out so much better for me. Also, sex with a native English speaking girl is so much more satisfying and real than with a Romie that approaches you with "baby, what you make", although I truly miss and love the FKK ambience and the 100 naked chicks on the prowl.

You have a good point about training these girls, and if I repeat with this girl I might, but not sure how much I want to keep seeing her. As I said, the SA spigot truly opened up; I have never had this many offers of alone time for less than 300; they are all attractive girls. I definitely want to see some of them, plus the depressed girl is taking up half the Oxygen out of the room.

[Oneminuteboy]

I had lined up a few SB for Lisbon but sadly all except 1 fell through.

Reached out to all of them 1-2 months ago. Didn't really keep in touch but they knew I was coming. I did this because last year I cancelled at the last minute.

Once arrived at the airport to fly I reached out to all the girls in my Lisbon rolodex. 4 never responded. 1 wasn't in Lisbon and managed to set something up with 2.

First girl was Portuguese, 24. Seemed to have a nice body. Nice face. Fee 300. She would be my company for the evening. But at the time of meeting up she was a no show.

I put in a safety plan and ordered a WG, that went wrong as well.

The second girl I met looked similar to the first. Fee 250. I opted to play it safe and asked her to meet me during the day. She was interested in keeping things private so she only came to my hotel.

Talked, ordered some room service and while waiting started warming each other up. Food and drinks came.

The sex wasn't spectacular especially after I had a hottie from Elefante Branco. But the connection we had was nice. Think I'll keep in touch if I don't find better ones.

Both just finished with their degrees but had trouble finding jobs.

[Steve 9696]

I met a new girl yesterday. I had been talking to her for 5 to 6 weeks now. We were supposed to meet up for sex 3 weeks ago but she canceled at the last minute. This was our first meet. Met up for light brunch and went to a motel nearby, had sex, and left. Altogether, she stayed with me for 3 1/2 hours, 2 hours of which was making out and sex in the room. I gave her $300. She is white, 22, pretty face, very small tits but really tight bod, 5'4", blonde, smelled really nice, DATY was a delight and pussy was clean and fresh, even her ass was very clean; her BJ was atrocious, did not do BLS, kissing was light. She is a junior at the local Uni, switched majors to business. I realized she is in the class taught by one of my acquaintances but kept it to myself. She is an experienced sugar babe. Her first arrangement was at 19. She is somewhat estranged from her parents (divorced) and supporting herself totally including her tuition, working 25 hours a week in addition to college. I now read that most of the Sharks girls are demanding 150 E for an hour; on that basis, what I received from this girl on a per hour basis far exceeds what you get in Sharks now, and I did not have to spend thousands on airfare and hotels and taking weeks off.

I doubt I will repeat w / this girl too many times. May be a session here and there but she will not be my regular girl. For one thing, I am getting more and more drawn to my depressed girl. She feels very vulnerable; I am spending hours just chatting and texting with her, helping her get through the days. Depression is a terrible thing, sometimes she can't get out of the bed, sometimes she just sits there and cries for no reason, she eats nothing on some days. I need to stop myself from falling for her, which is an absurd situation for me w / wife and kids; however, I can't lie that this girl feels vulnerable and I am trying to help as much as I can. The time and budget allocation to her is leaving limited amount to others. Normally I am a cold calculating slimebag but she feels fragile and vulnerable and feeling a bit sad for her.

Also, with work from home still in place, it is not so easy to get away from home w / o rousing suspicion. Every outing away from home for a few hours is a precious opportunity.

Suddenly the seeking.com spigot has opened up like a fountain. When I re-subscribed a few months ago, it was a slow start. All of a sudden, in the last 2 weeks, I have offers of alone time from several very attractive girls in the 200-250 range even. With 300, in my area, you can pretty get any one you want now, it seems. These are white, slim girls w / pretty faces in the 18-25 age range. If I could find time, I would meet up with all of them. So, the main challenge right now is finding time away from home.

I wonder if the stopping of the benefits in early September had an impact. Feels like many girls are more broke now and more desperate. However jobs are plentiful; perhaps they got too lazy from receiving free federal benefits for 18 months.

Damn I just love it when someone really GETS the draw of SA. I know you were at it casually for a while but then you pull some gems and bam it's addictive. I actually like the whole SA date and real world experience better than the simulated stuff at FKK and escorts. Never thought I'the say this but other than the expense I like the USA scene as well as anywhere. I am going to officially stop calling it pussy prison because it no longer is!

Def understand how you caught feelings for the depressed girl. Just remember that you can't likely help her for real so don't go too deep. She's got real issues you can't fix and you both could get hurt if it becomes too real. P.S. If you haven't seen the YouTube video "It's Not the Nail" you should watch it. Its Laugh out loud funny but It's so true. I caught myself problem solving with Kayla the other day snd that's not what women actually want (sure you know this).

And on your terrible BJ I am sure you are used to the experts at FKK. Don't be afraid to train her up. I've trained up Alexa and Layla and a few others. Just a "can you lick and suck down here" or later "can I show up something I like" and show her harmonica. I've never had a girl balk and these girls now give top notch ten out of ten BJs. Their future husbands should thank me!

Best of luck!

[Steve 9696]

Even tho I am always researching and always trying to find the next big thing, having the SA Rolodex is an amazing thing once you build it. I was just realizing that there are five cities I can travel to and have a girl ready to see me. No stress, no BS. Just tell her I will be in town and let's linkup.

Just happened on an upcoming trip. Struggling to find something new. Decided to just hit up my Rolodex and boom! Got a date with a hottie without breaking a sweat. If you invest you WILL be paid back.

[Pessimist]

I met a new girl yesterday. I had been talking to her for 5 to 6 weeks now. We were supposed to meet up for sex 3 weeks ago but she canceled at the last minute. This was our first meet. Met up for light brunch and went to a motel nearby, had sex, and left. Altogether, she stayed with me for 3 1/2 hours, 2 hours of which was making out and sex in the room. I gave her $300. She is white, 22, pretty face, very small tits but really tight bod, 5'4", blonde, smelled really nice, DATY was a delight and pussy was clean and fresh, even her ass was very clean; her BJ was atrocious, did not do BLS, kissing was light. She is a junior at the local Uni, switched majors to business. I realized she is in the class taught by one of my acquaintances but kept it to myself. She is an experienced sugar babe. Her first arrangement was at 19. She is somewhat estranged from her parents (divorced) and supporting herself totally including her tuition, working 25 hours a week in addition to college. I now read that most of the Sharks girls are demanding 150 E for an hour; on that basis, what I received from this girl on a per hour basis far exceeds what you get in Sharks now, and I did not have to spend thousands on airfare and hotels and taking weeks off.

I doubt I will repeat w / this girl too many times. May be a session here and there but she will not be my regular girl. For one thing, I am getting more and more drawn to my depressed girl. She feels very vulnerable; I am spending hours just chatting and texting with her, helping her get through the days. Depression is a terrible thing, sometimes she can't get out of the bed, sometimes she just sits there and cries for no reason, she eats nothing on some days. I need to stop myself from falling for her, which is an absurd situation for me w / wife and kids; however, I can't lie that this girl feels vulnerable and I am trying to help as much as I can. The time and budget allocation to her is leaving limited amount to others. Normally I am a cold calculating slimebag but she feels fragile and vulnerable and feeling a bit sad for her.

Also, with work from home still in place, it is not so easy to get away from home w / o rousing suspicion. Every outing away from home for a few hours is a precious opportunity.

Suddenly the seeking.com spigot has opened up like a fountain. When I re-subscribed a few months ago, it was a slow start. All of a sudden, in the last 2 weeks, I have offers of alone time from several very attractive girls in the 200-250 range even. With 300, in my area, you can pretty get any one you want now, it seems. These are white, slim girls w / pretty faces in the 18-25 age range. If I could find time, I would meet up with all of them. So, the main challenge right now is finding time away from home.

I wonder if the stopping of the benefits in early September had an impact. Feels like many girls are more broke now and more desperate. However jobs are plentiful; perhaps they got too lazy from receiving free federal benefits for 18 months.

[Akibono]

Pessimist,

I have read those guys. Try not to bring them over. They are young and brag constantly about banging only 10's and that sort of male BS. They contribute nothing, are quite insecure, and probably can barely afford the hobby. I salute the people with the open mind. Sex in any form can be great. It is about experiencing emotions in various form, usually pleasurable. It really does not matter what someone else thinks if it is good for you. I have had one too many session with a good looking bomb to find her lying there with a bored look on her face. Nothing kills the mood faster. On the other hand, the girl that lets you control the timing and does many things with enthusiasm can be a stunning session. Nothing is as good as a gal that is revving you up because she wants a good fuck and enjoys getting you going. It's usually epic.

[Akibono]

Yeah exactly. Since when was having a nice evening out, some great sex, and walking away richer a bad thing? Well I guess always in western society but fuck that! And I guess that's why Uma would add in "and it's kinda naughty which I love". But seriously why is this wrong in any way? It's not! Fuck the Puritans.

I forgot which famous author said that Puritanism is that sneaking suspicion that somewhere someone may be having fun! LOL. So true!

Are some things bad behavior? Imo going bareback and then fucking your wife bareback is some not great behavior because you might spill over your private life into her life in a very bad way. But if she's stopped having sex, stopped being affectionate, let herself get fat and unattractive how exactly are you the bad guy? I have no guilt around "stepping out". I am not a bad guy. In fact just the opposite. But the wife often puts the husband in an impossible spot. Imo the guy is often not to blame here.

I'm not judging you or anyone here. I'm no saint, but I know a few guys that were players before they were married and fully intended to continue being a player. That is a stickier issue.

That being said, you would think that some smart girls would figure out that sex can actually be good outside of marriage. We are constantly told that it is dangerous. Diseases! Murderers! Rapists! Bill Cosby! The exploitive modeling industry! That scares many from even considering sex outside of a relationship. Yes, it is driven by Puritans, but also other ethnic / religious groups. The Muslims are scared to death of their girls "dating. " Indians are slowing coming around on PDAs. I find the live streams and videos to be game changers. Things have come a long way. There is one problem. It's the athletes curse. When you are young, you tend to be dumb, but overconfident. Therefore, it is easy to make mistakes. You get used to the quick money and you start having a lifestyle that is way beyond your means. That leads to trouble. Never a good idea to be hooked on luxury you cannot afford.

[Pessimist]

Man, I cannot believe there are guys on here that would criticize anyone for their life choices. I already know that I am a bad person, and I do not need some anonymous person reminding me of it.

Whoa, did not know that the 22 year old has depression. But if it's clinical depression, then you might be okay. I have dated a few gals that suffered from depression. In general, it is just life that makes them depressed, not relationships or failed relationships. But anyway, LOL, what do I know, as I am not a psychiartrist. Anyway, do not let her drag you down, obviously.

I actually met two gals on SA that were bipolar. I have never met anyone who was bipolar before, but suddenly I dated two from SA. During their highs, they were so super high that it was embarrasing to be around them, and during their lows, it was a real downer. Plus, they often cancelled dates at the last minute because they were down. I remember going a short trip with one of them. We were having a blast. But then, I had to run a short errand, which took only an hour, and when I came back, she was in bed because she suddenly swung to the down side. She said she wanted to just lay in bed for the rest of the evening. This was around 7 pm! I had rented a Mercedes, booked us a 5 star hotel, and we were located right in the middle of a great night scene, but we end up watching TV in bed, not even going out for dinner. A totally wasted trip. Yes, I realize that I should feel sympathy for her, but like I said, I know that I am a bad person.

The funny thing about lesbians is that some of them love sucking cock and fucking. I know a WG who is a lesbian. She just loves sucking my cock, and she loves me fucking her, especially hard. I keep asking her if she is sure she is a lesbian, and she said she is definitely a lesbian. She says she finds men to be disgusting and ugly, but yet she loves cock. There are some girls that are bisexual, but I think they are really lesbians but love cock. I met of few of them too. I know this all sounds stupid. It sounds stupid to me too as I am typing this, LOL.

Thank you MW, you are obviously much more mature and also kind relative to some doofuses on the German threads. Yes, you are right; I have some experience in my extended family with clinical and adolescent depression. It can be tough. This girl is not bipolar, thank goodness. She is super sweet and shy; the first time we went for dinner, she apologetically asked if it was OK with me if she ordered a dessert. But she does ghost a lot. She warned me early on that she would do that when she goes into her blues. It took a lot of effort and time to convince her to go out to meet me in person. I have had more canceled dates with this one than any other in recent years I can recall but she has been worth it.

If you have not watched Clickbait, I recommend it. You will know what I meant by getting scared.

I hope you bought EDU and other education stocks after the crash and were not caught in the downdraft. China is a tough story this year, as far as stocks go. If the Xi regime is not hell bent on destroying capitalism nor shareholder rights, Chinese stocks appear attractive. But no one knows how the CCP is thinking. Yes, the big name ecommerce stories like JD, BABA, Pinduoduo, and media names like Tencent and many others appear cheap relative to our Amazons and Google / Facebook, other.

The thing is that I don't live in SF or a place like that with a massive Asian population. So, the chance of them knowing each other may be high. Also, I get the feeling matters like this may be discussed more? In their community, perhaps I am being paranoid. * If I screw over a White girl, there is less chance of her tattletaling about me to every white person she knows, at least that is a breed I know.

[Steve 9696]

I met a few unicorns on SA too. I asked them why they were on SA. One of them said that she loved going out, and she loved having sex. And so, she said that if she can also get paid for having fun and having great sex, then it seemed like a no brainer to be on SA. She used to be active on Tinder, but then she realized that she could be on SA doing the exact same thing but also getting paid. Smart gal, that one.

Yeah exactly. Since when was having a nice evening out, some great sex, and walking away richer a bad thing? Well I guess always in western society but fuck that! And I guess that's why Uma would add in "and it's kinda naughty which I love". But seriously why is this wrong in any way? It's not! Fuck the Puritans.

I forgot which famous author said that Puritanism is that sneaking suspicion that somewhere someone may be having fun! LOL. So true!

Are some things bad behavior? Imo going bareback and then fucking your wife bareback is some not great behavior because you might spill over your private life into her life in a very bad way. But if she's stopped having sex, stopped being affectionate, let herself get fat and unattractive how exactly are you the bad guy? I have no guilt around "stepping out". I am not a bad guy. In fact just the opposite. But the wife often puts the husband in an impossible spot. Imo the guy is often not to blame here.

[Ruch888]

Hey all,

Been a silent reader of the forum Steve has been off great help on PM so shoutout for that. I am from India and increasingly facing difficulties to renew my subscription as Seeking is classified as a non trustworthy site with many of India's leading Banks and my payments are getting declined. I am an iOS person so can't use the Google pay tokens as well. Would someone kindly help or guide me as to how they have got this issue sorted? If someone can help me with the subscription happy to PayPal them the amount as well.

Cheers.

Ruch888.

[Midwestern]

Went out with Uma recently snd I am struck by how unusual she is. Sure. She likes to drink and fuck like any good twenty something (she just turned 26) and she's beautiful. But damn if she isn't smart as fuck. She's studying to be a doctor no lie. And you can just tell by the conversation. She is a super smart hot and confident black woman. It's really something to be with her.

I met a few unicorns on SA too. I asked them why they were on SA. One of them said that she loved going out, and she loved having sex. And so, she said that if she can also get paid for having fun and having great sex, then it seemed like a no brainer to be on SA. She used to be active on Tinder, but then she realized that she could be on SA doing the exact same thing but also getting paid. Smart gal, that one.

[Midwestern]

There are a bunch of judgmental idiots on the German FKK threads who get offended that I am a cheating bastard.

The first girl has depression issues, has been struggling with it for a long time.

I think the lesbian 3 some was a one off.

The Chinese woman keeps pestering me for my pics.

I have some knowledge of Chinese businesses (we invest in Chinese stocks and other Asian stocks).

Man, I cannot believe there are guys on here that would criticize anyone for their life choices. I already know that I am a bad person, and I do not need some anonymous person reminding me of it.

Whoa, did not know that the 22 year old has depression. But if it's clinical depression, then you might be okay. I have dated a few gals that suffered from depression. In general, it is just life that makes them depressed, not relationships or failed relationships. But anyway, LOL, what do I know, as I am not a psychiartrist. Anyway, do not let her drag you down, obviously.

I actually met two gals on SA that were bipolar. I have never met anyone who was bipolar before, but suddenly I dated two from SA. During their highs, they were so super high that it was embarrasing to be around them, and during their lows, it was a real downer. Plus, they often cancelled dates at the last minute because they were down. I remember going a short trip with one of them. We were having a blast. But then, I had to run a short errand, which took only an hour, and when I came back, she was in bed because she suddenly swung to the down side. She said she wanted to just lay in bed for the rest of the evening. This was around 7 pm! I had rented a Mercedes, booked us a 5 star hotel, and we were located right in the middle of a great night scene, but we end up watching TV in bed, not even going out for dinner. A totally wasted trip. Yes, I realize that I should feel sympathy for her, but like I said, I know that I am a bad person.

The funny thing about lesbians is that some of them love sucking cock and fucking. I know a WG who is a lesbian. She just loves sucking my cock, and she loves me fucking her, especially hard. I keep asking her if she is sure she is a lesbian, and she said she is definitely a lesbian. She says she finds men to be disgusting and ugly, but yet she loves cock. There are some girls that are bisexual, but I think they are really lesbians but love cock. I met of few of them too. I know this all sounds stupid. It sounds stupid to me too as I am typing this, LOL.

Yeah, you're smart to avoid the Chinese gal. Again, I hate to generalize, but the Chinese in the states tend to be pretty tight knit, and so there's a good chance that you guys know the same Chinese people.

Funny that you mentioned Evergrande, Colin Huang, etc. I am also an active investor and trader of Chinese stocks and other Asian stocks. I recently took a large position in EDU, thinking that it might double in a couple of years. I also have shares of PDD, which might be a mistake. I dumped my TCEHY, BABA, and JD. Their earnings calls are coming up, and we will soon see what they are made of. What Chinese stocks do you own?