Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Thanks, Elvis, but my question was more specific, I wanted to know whether SA works there or not. I spent 1 month in Rio this past summer, and my experience with SA was questionable. I had only met 1 girl off SA, but it was a 100% hit. All others either flaked, or never responded. Pickings were extra slim, for some reason SA is not popular there and girls, who signed up, are not really active. At the same time I saw plenty of hot 8+ women at the beach, bars, malls, etc, so the problem was not the talent, I know the talent is there, but the fact that they don't utilize SA or Tinder for some reason. My lack of Portuguese and pickup skills prevented me from approaching girls in public. Is it any different in Sao Paulo? Again, I'm not questioning the fact that SP has great talent, sure it does, but I'm wondering if that talent (let's say, of Scandallo quality) could be found on SA? And if so, are they more expensive or cheaper compared to Colombia?

As discussed previously mostly good places for legal P4 P are poor for Seeking. There are exceptions but that is the rule. Thus SP and Rio will suck. One might infer therefore Argentina is good because P4 P sucks imo. I had an AMAZING Seeking girl Valentina from Buenos Aires. She was Peruvian. We were inseparable for three days and went to the sex club together. One of my top life experiences (later I flew her to London and she dumped me. Ouch). Anyhow only one datapoint. But wowza!

[MiamiBoy1]

I was in SP in 2005 and hotel prices now are in line with what they were then. The real was at 1. 5 to the dollar and now it is 5. 2. I never had the time to make it down there last year because of work but I actually corresponded with two women from seeking there that I thought were 10's. Maybe as a group the Brazilians do not match the Argentines in intellect, but when it comes to the best of Brazil versus Argentina with regards to sex and looks, it is no contest. SP has more 10's than anywhere else in the world IMO.

Thanks, Elvis, but my question was more specific, I wanted to know whether SA works there or not. I spent 1 month in Rio this past summer, and my experience with SA was questionable. I had only met 1 girl off SA, but it was a 100% hit. All others either flaked, or never responded. Pickings were extra slim, for some reason SA is not popular there and girls, who signed up, are not really active. At the same time I saw plenty of hot 8+ women at the beach, bars, malls, etc, so the problem was not the talent, I know the talent is there, but the fact that they don't utilize SA or Tinder for some reason. My lack of Portuguese and pickup skills prevented me from approaching girls in public. Is it any different in Sao Paulo? Again, I'm not questioning the fact that SP has great talent, sure it does, but I'm wondering if that talent (let's say, of Scandallo quality) could be found on SA? And if so, are they more expensive or cheaper compared to Colombia?

[BrizLad]

. I'm out over $500 for the night for drinks, food, cover charges, dancer tips, hotel, Ubers. Maybe it was even almost $1000.

Wasn't this just a version of the classic 'overpriced drinks' scam. She will be back at the same strip joint most nights having brought in a new sucker each night.

[Elvis 2008]

Has anyone had good experience with SA in Buenos Aires? I know, the country is still closed for foreign visitors, but they are about to open in the next few months. Sooner or later it will happen. The exchange rate is awesome, cash is king if you have USD. Airbnbs are cheap. My understanding is SA works way better in non-mongering countries where P4 P scene is not well developed (Argentina is one of them?) or where prostitution is illegal. Would love to go there once they open for visitors. I've heard BA got great colleges / universities, best in Latin America, therefore plenty of hot young students to choose from. What attracts me in terms of the talent, is that a good % of women there are of German / Italian ancestry, white skin, European looking. What are the going PPM rates there?

The joke about Argentina is that an Argentine is an Italian who lives in a French house speaks Spanish and thinks he is an Englishmen. 70% of Argentines have Italian blood and 50% have Spanish blood. BA is more white than Des Moines to boot.

My brother said it best, "You can find an 8 in Argentine on every street corner, but I have never seen a 10 there." And he owns property there. The P4P was very developed, and I think that a female president came into power and cracked down on the P4P scene. Now it has moved from the clubs to the escort and SB scene.

When the Peso crashed the first time in 2001 or so, (it was one to one back then and now it is 100 pesos or so to the dollar) prices were crazy cheap, but I am not seeing that now. It is cheap but not that cheap. Hotel prices are higher now than they were then by a factor of 2 or 3. The escort prices I do see are $50 to $200. It is probably closer to $50.

Thing about Argentines is they have a reputation for being snobby with other Latinos. I saw that with some women. They are the most educated in Latin America. Thing is if you want to converse, and you can get into a group, I am sure there would be some great conversations. As for sex, the locals to a man said the best performing women in Argentina were not Argentines but Paraguayans. Even back then, I could get laid at a casa in Paraguay with a hotter girl for $10 or $20 than in BA and I was paying $50 to $60 there.

BA is the only place with enough women on seeking to be interesting. Cordoba is the college town. Mendoza is California like, good wine country and nice mountains, but there were not many women on the site from there.

To me, if I was going for a harem, I would choose Paraguay. Everyone says it is boring in Asuncion, and it is, but I think if you got in a routine and saw a bunch of different woman, it would be a ball. Hell, if I could be Mr. Excitement in a boring town, that is all the better. Asuncion is really fucking hard to get to and I think they have a visa requirement which keeps out the competition. You will actually find more 10's there than Argentina.

I think on average Colombia had less attractive women than Argentina but the best of Colombia beat the best of Argentina. Also, Colombian women are much sweeter. As for the best place in South America for women, it is Sao Paulo hands down. I thought the women in Rio were way, way over rated.

I was in SP in 2005 and hotel prices now are in line with what they were then. The real was at 1. 5 to the dollar and now it is 5. 2. I never had the time to make it down there last year because of work but I actually corresponded with two women from seeking there that I thought were 10's. Maybe as a group the Brazilians do not match the Argentines in intellect, but when it comes to the best of Brazil versus Argentina with regards to sex and looks, it is no contest. SP has more 10's than anywhere else in the world IMO.

A lot of Germans did settle in Southern Brazil, and I have heard the city of Curitiba is well run due to the Germanic management style they have in place unlike the rest of Brazilian government which seems to be chaotic and inefficient. Every time I talked to a cab driver about Porto Allegra, Floripa, and Curitiba, they would say "many blondes down there. ".

Don't get me wrong. Argentina is a cool place. There is a lot to see and do. It is one of the few places other than the USA I would consider living, but for women, Brazil, Paraguay, and even Colombia IMO have it beat.

[Akibono]

First, I would log on at different times and days. I find that the SA algorithms is not very good finding girls that are not recent. There are times where the prospects are slim with mainly ugly girls. Other times, it's like hitting the jackpot. Different places have different times. Students and working people will log on the site at different times. Second, that initial conversation is critical. If you catch them online with a message, they are far more likely to respond. That gives you a chance to make a good impression and to stand out. If you are one of 100 message when they login, you will be treated as just another prospect unless something in your profit (I. E. Photo) sticks out. Plus, they may give up after the first 50 messages since they are mainly boring and canned messages. Having a good idea what the girl is looking for is a big help. If a girls profile is very thin, your chances of failure are high. She is either not treating this seriously or putting much effort into it, perhaps she thinks she can get by on her looks alone.

My 2 cents. There is no perfect approach.

[Akibono]

These kinds of dates can happen occasionally, especially with SA gals in the states. I met one gal for drinks and we hit if off. She says let's go to a hotel, and so I book one on my app. As we head there, she sees a strip club and wants to go in and I said sure. At first, we are having a blast in the strip club, and then I notice that she is getting very drunk and she starts flirting with a dancer. At this point, I am being left out and so I am bored. I tell her let's go and she says no. I am getting pretty mad, and eventually a bouncer escorts me out of the club. So then I call and text her, but she does not reply. I tell the bouncer that my GF is still in the club. So he goes to find her. She appears at the door and says that she is staying. I'm out over $500 for the night for drinks, food, cover charges, dancer tips, hotel, Ubers. Maybe it was even almost $1000.

Sooner or later we all get burned. I call that the built in price for a SB. You just have to be able to take the loss and move on. The loss of time, money and opportunity is very frustrating. That is the primary difference between a SB and an escort. You never know what you are getting. As you well know, being able to correctly read people is helpful, but you have very little facts to go on. I find the uncertainty frustrating. Some people have backup plans. I find that just complicates the matter. There are just so many duds and flakes. I guess girls with their life in order usually don't choose the SB route. Still, the magic of the find makes the effort worth it. From what I gather, it is probably even more difficult for the girls. People like you who can and are willing to put up money for a good time are scarce. They have to weed through a huge pile of crap and BS artists that either don't have any money or want it for free. In the end, I know I will fail a lot, but I am not afraid of walking away. I know I can deliver the goods and if a SB thinks they can find a better deal with lose in the end. There simply are not that many people with the income, situation, and tolerance of flakes out there to be found.

[Midwestern]

These kinds of dates can happen occasionally, especially with SA gals in the states. I met one gal for drinks and we hit if off. She says let's go to a hotel, and so I book one on my app. As we head there, she sees a strip club and wants to go in and I said sure. At first, we are having a blast in the strip club, and then I notice that she is getting very drunk and she starts flirting with a dancer. At this point, I am being left out and so I am bored. I tell her let's go and she says no. I am getting pretty mad, and eventually a bouncer escorts me out of the club. So then I call and text her, but she does not reply. I tell the bouncer that my GF is still in the club. So he goes to find her. She appears at the door and says that she is staying. I'm out over $500 for the night for drinks, food, cover charges, dancer tips, hotel, Ubers. Maybe it was even almost $1000.

Update, I ditched the Middle Eastern Chick because of her bad attitude and totally laziness. I have been with a new girl. Fun.

But not like the girls from MTY. Saturday night we have dinner on the Riverwalk. My friends totally hook us.

Up at the restaurant, so much fun. We decide to go dancing. She is on the phone the whole time, but still fun. I have not been dancing for over a year because of COVID.

We were going to go home, but we decide to stay a little longer. Starts off great, but again she is on the phone. I finally, pull my phone out and start texting girls in the MTY. She grabs my phone. I say, the night is over and walk off. I forgot she parked in my parking garage.

Uber arrives she puts my hand on her crouch I pull away. No conversation on the ride home. We get to my place and she asked why I am mad and of course denies grabbing my phone,(say it is my fault.) I told her the night was over.

I will never tolerate anyone grabbing my phone, especially not my girlfriend.

I miss Mexico!

American chicks are crazy m!

[Midwestern]

I did not post a pic on my profile. I was always worried that a female colleague would see me on there. But if I was chatting with someone and I was sure she was not someone that I knew, then I would privately show her my pic. But I preferred a quick meet and greet if she insisted on seeing what I look like, and I always made it convenient for them, like near where they work or live.

You can use an alias, but use a nickname so that when they discover your real identity, then you can just say you were not really lying. And eventually, they will discover your real identify. I tried being super careful hiding my identify, but eventually almost everyone discovered my real identity, especially if they want to find your identity. I met one gal for drinks, and the next day I saw that she viewed my LinkedIn profile. On our next date, I asked her how she discovered my real identity and she laughed and said it was so easy. I do not want to list the many, many ways they can discover who you really are, because the list is super long, but just know that being anonymous forever is futile.

Do not meet at your place. Eventually, every SD SB relationship will end. Sometimes they end badly, especially if you lied a lot during the relationship. And so why would you want them to know where you live?

I used SA successfully in Vegas, but if you are there for just one night, then it may not be worth the time and effort. You can still try it, but have a backup plan, like a FS MP. Almost every AMP in Vegas offers FS, but I have not been to Vegas in the past three years, so maybe things have changed.

1. I'm concerned about my privacy. Do you post your photos on SA? And do you they include your face? Also, do you introduce yourself to girls with your real name? It sounds like some of these SA meets last several hours, so it would be nice to avoid awkward situations where it's obvious you're faking (like if you show your ID at a hotel or something) - but maybe it's normal to have an alias, and the girls aren't phased by it?

2. It sounds like SA girls really don't want to be seen as too transactional, so are there shortcuts to find ones that are more DTF than others? I'm filtering on 'friends with benefits' and 'no strings attached', but maybe there's a better way?

3. I live in a city where it sounds like there are plenty of SBs to be found. But do you have girls over to your own place in your home city, or just get a hotel? I'd rather not be at home because I don't want the girl seeing my personal stuff that they can tie to my identity, or showing up at my place uninvited after we were supposed to part ways. But maybe I'm overthinking it?

4. I'm going to Vegas in a couple of weeks, and that seems like a great place to try SA since I can be anonymous and staying in a hotel. But I'll only have one free night, and it seems like a lot of the SA stories here have multiple encounters to get real payback. Is worth even trying if I only have one night in Vegas?

Thanks in advance for your tips. I'm hoping to have some SA stories to tell myself, to share here.

[Oneminuteboy]

1. I'm concerned about my privacy. Do you post your photos on SA? And do you they include your face? Also, do you introduce yourself to girls with your real name? It sounds like some of these SA meets last several hours, so it would be nice to avoid awkward situations where it's obvious you're faking (like if you show your ID at a hotel or something) - but maybe it's normal to have an alias, and the girls aren't phased by it?

I use my real photo, with face. Introduce myself under an alias.

What I do is either make sure I check in before her, and if the TV shows my name in the info screen change it. Or at the front desk, immediately say my surname.

Some woman use aliases as well. Others drop the alias after the first meet.

2. It sounds like SA girls really don't want to be seen as too transactional, so are there shortcuts to find ones that are more DTF than others? I'm filtering on 'friends with benefits' and 'no strings attached', but maybe there's a better way?

This is really difficult. A signal can be is that she doesn't ask for the money. But can leave an awkward moment when she does.

The majority needs the cash, either for school or other personal still. Might not be the case after you've met after XX times though.

3. I live in a city where it sounds like there are plenty of SBs to be found. But do you have girls over to your own place in your home city, or just get a hotel? I'd rather not be at home because I don't want the girl seeing my personal stuff that they can tie to my identity, or showing up at my place uninvited after we were supposed to part ways. But maybe I'm overthinking it?

I keep it at a hotel. Most neutral ground possible.

One SB I had, had a guy at her place. She regretted it. A friend of mine had one at his apartment he rents out through Airbnb, though he has a 2nd house.

[NF4591]

Hi gents. I'm experienced with FKK clubs and agencies, and now I'm thinking of venturing into the SA scene, it sounds exciting from some of the stories here. I've been reading the forum, and posted my experiences in ISG threads where I have more experience. But I'm having trouble answering some basic questions about getting started with SA. I'm hoping someone can help with these basics. I would have thought there would be a guide that includes these basics somewhere on ISG, so maybe I'm just missing it (where's a Reports of Distinction section when you need it):

1. I'm concerned about my privacy. Do you post your photos on SA? And do you they include your face? Also, do you introduce yourself to girls with your real name? It sounds like some of these SA meets last several hours, so it would be nice to avoid awkward situations where it's obvious you're faking (like if you show your ID at a hotel or something) - but maybe it's normal to have an alias, and the girls aren't phased by it?

2. It sounds like SA girls really don't want to be seen as too transactional, so are there shortcuts to find ones that are more DTF than others? I'm filtering on 'friends with benefits' and 'no strings attached', but maybe there's a better way?

3. I live in a city where it sounds like there are plenty of SBs to be found. But do you have girls over to your own place in your home city, or just get a hotel? I'd rather not be at home because I don't want the girl seeing my personal stuff that they can tie to my identity, or showing up at my place uninvited after we were supposed to part ways. But maybe I'm overthinking it?

4. I'm going to Vegas in a couple of weeks, and that seems like a great place to try SA since I can be anonymous and staying in a hotel. But I'll only have one free night, and it seems like a lot of the SA stories here have multiple encounters to get real payback. Is worth even trying if I only have one night in Vegas?

Thanks in advance for your tips. I'm hoping to have some SA stories to tell myself, to share here.

[WyattEarp]

Apparently models don't make a whole lot and rumors have it their agents / agencies often connect them with clients for extra income. Curious if any mongers have supported any models that may know a thing or two about how clients get in touch with models agents / their agencies?

https://nypost.com/2017/08/29/model-...stitution-ring

This is not a criticism of you RedWaters, but the article seems to be quoting a silly 20 year old seeking attention. I'm sure models get propositioned all the time. However, the article leads the story with fantastic sums like top models receiving two million dollars per night. Who are these models receiving two million dollar per night? If you've made it to the top of the modeling game, you really don't need to sleep with anyone for two million.

And what man pays a woman, two million dollars for a night? You can have the hottest Euro or American porn star flown to you and spend the weekend with you for a tiny fraction. Or they pull some babes off the beach to their boat or from the pool to their fancy suite at a luxury hotel.

This girl in the article is pretty, but 2,000 pounds for an hour or two? Hookers in Cannes charging 30,000 dollars a night?

This kind of reminds me of the not-so-secret secret book of available Brazilian models, presenters and starlets. You have to be in the upper echelon of Brazilian society and / or have the right introductions, but no one is paying these crazy figures down there.

[MiamiBoy1]

Since Argentine forum is dead, I will ask here. Has anyone had good experience with SA in Buenos Aires? I know, the country is still closed for foreign visitors, but they are about to open in the next few months. Sooner or later it will happen. The exchange rate is awesome, cash is king if you have USD. Airbnbs are cheap. My understanding is SA works way better in non-mongering countries where P4 P scene is not well developed (Argentina is one of them?) or where prostitution is illegal. Would love to go there once they open for visitors. I've heard BA got great colleges / universities, best in Latin America, therefore plenty of hot young students to choose from. What attracts me in terms of the talent, is that a good % of women there are of German / Italian ancestry, white skin, European looking. What are the going PPM rates there?

[Oneminuteboy]

Just had a weekend with the 7 I met up with. Was a fun weekend in the Netherlands. Only paid her PPM fee 1 x.

Booked a suite for the whole weekend. One bed for the both us.

We both traveled separately to the hotel after work. Had a session. Then dinner in the hotel before having our first jacuzzi moment.

Saturday was day time events. Museum, lunch, shopping (she wanted to buy stuff herself), wellness, a show and dinner. We had sex like 4-5 times throughout the day.

Sunday was sleeping in, aside from breakfast we stayed in the room all morning and had sex all the time, between short naps. Late check out and we both went our separate ways.

SB is not a native Dutchie.

The 8/9 I was planning to meet with was a let down. Reached out to late, then when the day came postponed before eventually canceling because of a friend. Told her, let me know when you got time and I'll come.

Writing this one down as a loss, despite being the SB that I matched on things I liked to do the most.

[DramaFree11]

Update, I ditched the Middle Eastern Chick because of her bad attitude and totally laziness. I have been with a new girl. Fun.

But not like the girls from MTY. Saturday night we have dinner on the Riverwalk. My friends totally hook us.

Up at the restaurant, so much fun. We decide to go dancing. She is on the phone the whole time, but still fun. I have not been dancing for over a year because of COVID.

We were going to go home, but we decide to stay a little longer. Starts off great, but again she is on the phone. I finally, pull my phone out and start texting girls in the MTY. She grabs my phone. I say, the night is over and walk off. I forgot she parked in my parking garage.

Uber arrives she puts my hand on her crouch I pull away. No conversation on the ride home. We get to my place and she asked why I am mad and of course denies grabbing my phone,(say it is my fault.) I told her the night was over.

I will never tolerate anyone grabbing my phone, especially not my girlfriend.

I miss Mexico!

American chicks are crazy m!

[Gunners1]

Thanks for the advice.

Will look them up. I am staying at the St. Regis Berlin.

G.

Your best bet is to carefully select from the online escorts. These will be expensive compared to the FKKs. There are girls on escort sites that are semi pros, but they will expect you to afford a high end hotel and restaurant. The thing about Sb vs escort is a long term relationship. That cannot be done far away on a short trip. It is and will feel no different that an escort to the girls on SA.