Seeking Arrangements

[WyattEarp]

Because I don't want to be charged by the hour, be in a rush, pay all those extra fees to the establishment and fuck in a tiny room. And I'm not a weekend warrior.

That's fair. While the Rio de Janeiro scene and perhaps other parts of the globe have become more transactional (for every hour), some of my buddies didn't like the termas / prive scenes where you had an allotted amount of time in a small room. They would rather chat up the Mabs, Dolce Vita girls and establish a vibe where the girl wasn't running out the door the minute the one or two hours had expired.

I haven't been to SE Asia in awhile, but I've had some great times hanging out with the girls there after the sex was over. I still remember a Thai woman whose looks and body would have competed with Tia Carrere in her prime. I paid her $100 per day and she showed me all over Bangkok. There was of course the nights and the relaxed afternoon quickie between touring. She even wanted me to stay in her apartment, but I still kept a cheap room at a hotel nearby.

Is it still that easy to hang out with working girls off the clock in SE Asia?

[MiamiBoy1]

But it is none of that. Room, maybe but like everywhere else it can be extended and you don't need to fuck in their room. It's a fun place. A little more expensive, but worth it.

I'm not saying it is not a fun place, but my best dates with SA girls beat my best brothels / strip clubs session by a huge margin. Scandallo is a good option for weekend warriors, high ballers or someone who prefers to grab and go, but not really my scene.

I guess SA is not popular in both Rio and SP, because P4 P scene is well developed. On the other hand, in places like MDE or BOG, well known for p4 p scene, SA is highly utilized along with FB and Tinder.

[Nounce]

Because I don't want to be charged by the hour, be in a rush, pay all those extra fees to the establishment and fuck in a tiny room. And I'm not a weekend warrior.

But it is none of that. Room, maybe but like everywhere else it can be extended and you don't need to fuck in their room. It's a fun place. A little more expensive, but worth it.

[MiamiBoy1]

Have you been to Scandallo? Having read your posts before, I am a little surprised that you use it as a standard for girls as almost anyone can get in. And why not just go there?

Because I don't want to be charged by the hour, be in a rush, pay all those extra fees to the establishment and fuck in a tiny room. And I'm not a weekend warrior.

[Steve 9696]

My thoughts:

1. I'm concerned about my privacy. Do you post your photos on SA? And do you they include your face? Also, do you introduce yourself to girls with your real name? It sounds like some of these SA meets last several hours, so it would be nice to avoid awkward situations where it's obvious you're faking (like if you show your ID at a hotel or something) - but maybe it's normal to have an alias, and the girls aren't phased by it?

Steve — I do not have a photo and never felt it a hindrance. The girls will generally ask at some point. Newbies tend to ask early and pros not at all. Tho sometimes newbies don't even ask or ask late because they are awkward with the whole thing.

2. It sounds like SA girls really don't want to be seen as too transactional, so are there shortcuts to find ones that are more DTF than others? I'm filtering on 'friends with benefits' and 'no strings attached', but maybe there's a better way?

Steve — Def FWB is best indicator. You will find girls without that tag that will hook up first date. But FWB is a more sure screen.

3. I live in a city where it sounds like there are plenty of SBs to be found. But do you have girls over to your own place in your home city, or just get a hotel? I'd rather not be at home because I don't want the girl seeing my personal stuff that they can tie to my identity, or showing up at my place uninvited after we were supposed to part ways. But maybe I'm overthinking it?

Steve — Always hotel. Never let a girl in your personal space. Checkin by yourself (she can wait in lobby or show up later) because you don't want desk clerk saying your name out loud. Midwestern is right that longer term girls will prob figure out your name. But still take as many precautions as possible. (P.S. Hotel tv usually has your name on first screen).

4. I'm going to Vegas in a couple of weeks, and that seems like a great place to try SA since I can be anonymous and staying in a hotel. But I'll only have one free night, and it seems like a lot of the SA stories here have multiple encounters to get real payback. Is worth even trying if I only have one night in Vegas?

Steve — Hell yes you can have an amazing one night date in vegas. Best to say you are there a couple nights. But I have had two top 5 SA dates in Vegas. And one was Alexa that I flew to Miami. So our vegas connection was the key to something longer term.

[Akibono]

So true. I got burned once. (Valentina) Learned my lesson. And the amount of work is epic. But having successfully bedded 28 girls on SA in the last two years (with a damn pandemic!) and currently fucking Kayla bareback every night I'the say yeah. Life is good and SA rocks!

I have had a lot of paid encounters. Most are good but forgettable, but a small number are just so good and so rare. You spend a lifetime chasing more. They may not all be found as SBs. For some reason you clicked. It was the right place at the right time. And she enjoyed fucking you silly. I know a few girls that enjoy pleasing a man as long as she trusts and feels safe with you. They are all too rare and too after taken.

[Nounce]

but I'm wondering if that talent (let's say, of Scandallo quality) could be found on SA?

Have you been to Scandallo? Having read your posts before, I am a little surprised that you use it as a standard for girls as almost anyone can get in. And why not just go there?

[Steve 9696]

Sooner or later we all get burned. I call that the built in price for a SB. You just have to be able to take the loss and move on. The loss of time, money and opportunity is very frustrating. That is the primary difference between a SB and an escort. You never know what you are getting. As you well know, being able to correctly read people is helpful, but you have very little facts to go on. I find the uncertainty frustrating. Some people have backup plans. I find that just complicates the matter. There are just so many duds and flakes. I guess girls with their life in order usually don't choose the SB route. Still, the magic of the find makes the effort worth it. From what I gather, it is probably even more difficult for the girls. People like you who can and are willing to put up money for a good time are scarce. They have to weed through a huge pile of crap and BS artists that either don't have any money or want it for free. In the end, I know I will fail a lot, but I am not afraid of walking away. I know I can deliver the goods and if a SB thinks they can find a better deal with lose in the end. There simply are not that many people with the income, situation, and tolerance of flakes out there to be found.

So true. I got burned once. (Valentina) Learned my lesson. And the amount of work is epic. But having successfully bedded 28 girls on SA in the last two years (with a damn pandemic!) and currently fucking Kayla bareback every night I'the say yeah. Life is good and SA rocks!

[Steve 9696]

Thanks, Elvis, but my question was more specific, I wanted to know whether SA works there or not. I spent 1 month in Rio this past summer, and my experience with SA was questionable. I had only met 1 girl off SA, but it was a 100% hit. All others either flaked, or never responded. Pickings were extra slim, for some reason SA is not popular there and girls, who signed up, are not really active. At the same time I saw plenty of hot 8+ women at the beach, bars, malls, etc, so the problem was not the talent, I know the talent is there, but the fact that they don't utilize SA or Tinder for some reason. My lack of Portuguese and pickup skills prevented me from approaching girls in public. Is it any different in Sao Paulo? Again, I'm not questioning the fact that SP has great talent, sure it does, but I'm wondering if that talent (let's say, of Scandallo quality) could be found on SA? And if so, are they more expensive or cheaper compared to Colombia?

As discussed previously mostly good places for legal P4 P are poor for Seeking. There are exceptions but that is the rule. Thus SP and Rio will suck. One might infer therefore Argentina is good because P4 P sucks imo. I had an AMAZING Seeking girl Valentina from Buenos Aires. She was Peruvian. We were inseparable for three days and went to the sex club together. One of my top life experiences (later I flew her to London and she dumped me. Ouch). Anyhow only one datapoint. But wowza!

[MiamiBoy1]

I was in SP in 2005 and hotel prices now are in line with what they were then. The real was at 1. 5 to the dollar and now it is 5. 2. I never had the time to make it down there last year because of work but I actually corresponded with two women from seeking there that I thought were 10's. Maybe as a group the Brazilians do not match the Argentines in intellect, but when it comes to the best of Brazil versus Argentina with regards to sex and looks, it is no contest. SP has more 10's than anywhere else in the world IMO.

Thanks, Elvis, but my question was more specific, I wanted to know whether SA works there or not. I spent 1 month in Rio this past summer, and my experience with SA was questionable. I had only met 1 girl off SA, but it was a 100% hit. All others either flaked, or never responded. Pickings were extra slim, for some reason SA is not popular there and girls, who signed up, are not really active. At the same time I saw plenty of hot 8+ women at the beach, bars, malls, etc, so the problem was not the talent, I know the talent is there, but the fact that they don't utilize SA or Tinder for some reason. My lack of Portuguese and pickup skills prevented me from approaching girls in public. Is it any different in Sao Paulo? Again, I'm not questioning the fact that SP has great talent, sure it does, but I'm wondering if that talent (let's say, of Scandallo quality) could be found on SA? And if so, are they more expensive or cheaper compared to Colombia?

[BrizLad]

. I'm out over $500 for the night for drinks, food, cover charges, dancer tips, hotel, Ubers. Maybe it was even almost $1000.

Wasn't this just a version of the classic 'overpriced drinks' scam. She will be back at the same strip joint most nights having brought in a new sucker each night.

[Elvis 2008]

Has anyone had good experience with SA in Buenos Aires? I know, the country is still closed for foreign visitors, but they are about to open in the next few months. Sooner or later it will happen. The exchange rate is awesome, cash is king if you have USD. Airbnbs are cheap. My understanding is SA works way better in non-mongering countries where P4 P scene is not well developed (Argentina is one of them?) or where prostitution is illegal. Would love to go there once they open for visitors. I've heard BA got great colleges / universities, best in Latin America, therefore plenty of hot young students to choose from. What attracts me in terms of the talent, is that a good % of women there are of German / Italian ancestry, white skin, European looking. What are the going PPM rates there?

The joke about Argentina is that an Argentine is an Italian who lives in a French house speaks Spanish and thinks he is an Englishmen. 70% of Argentines have Italian blood and 50% have Spanish blood. BA is more white than Des Moines to boot.

My brother said it best, "You can find an 8 in Argentine on every street corner, but I have never seen a 10 there." And he owns property there. The P4P was very developed, and I think that a female president came into power and cracked down on the P4P scene. Now it has moved from the clubs to the escort and SB scene.

When the Peso crashed the first time in 2001 or so, (it was one to one back then and now it is 100 pesos or so to the dollar) prices were crazy cheap, but I am not seeing that now. It is cheap but not that cheap. Hotel prices are higher now than they were then by a factor of 2 or 3. The escort prices I do see are $50 to $200. It is probably closer to $50.

Thing about Argentines is they have a reputation for being snobby with other Latinos. I saw that with some women. They are the most educated in Latin America. Thing is if you want to converse, and you can get into a group, I am sure there would be some great conversations. As for sex, the locals to a man said the best performing women in Argentina were not Argentines but Paraguayans. Even back then, I could get laid at a casa in Paraguay with a hotter girl for $10 or $20 than in BA and I was paying $50 to $60 there.

BA is the only place with enough women on seeking to be interesting. Cordoba is the college town. Mendoza is California like, good wine country and nice mountains, but there were not many women on the site from there.

To me, if I was going for a harem, I would choose Paraguay. Everyone says it is boring in Asuncion, and it is, but I think if you got in a routine and saw a bunch of different woman, it would be a ball. Hell, if I could be Mr. Excitement in a boring town, that is all the better. Asuncion is really fucking hard to get to and I think they have a visa requirement which keeps out the competition. You will actually find more 10's there than Argentina.

I think on average Colombia had less attractive women than Argentina but the best of Colombia beat the best of Argentina. Also, Colombian women are much sweeter. As for the best place in South America for women, it is Sao Paulo hands down. I thought the women in Rio were way, way over rated.

I was in SP in 2005 and hotel prices now are in line with what they were then. The real was at 1. 5 to the dollar and now it is 5. 2. I never had the time to make it down there last year because of work but I actually corresponded with two women from seeking there that I thought were 10's. Maybe as a group the Brazilians do not match the Argentines in intellect, but when it comes to the best of Brazil versus Argentina with regards to sex and looks, it is no contest. SP has more 10's than anywhere else in the world IMO.

A lot of Germans did settle in Southern Brazil, and I have heard the city of Curitiba is well run due to the Germanic management style they have in place unlike the rest of Brazilian government which seems to be chaotic and inefficient. Every time I talked to a cab driver about Porto Allegra, Floripa, and Curitiba, they would say "many blondes down there. ".

Don't get me wrong. Argentina is a cool place. There is a lot to see and do. It is one of the few places other than the USA I would consider living, but for women, Brazil, Paraguay, and even Colombia IMO have it beat.

[Akibono]

First, I would log on at different times and days. I find that the SA algorithms is not very good finding girls that are not recent. There are times where the prospects are slim with mainly ugly girls. Other times, it's like hitting the jackpot. Different places have different times. Students and working people will log on the site at different times. Second, that initial conversation is critical. If you catch them online with a message, they are far more likely to respond. That gives you a chance to make a good impression and to stand out. If you are one of 100 message when they login, you will be treated as just another prospect unless something in your profit (I. E. Photo) sticks out. Plus, they may give up after the first 50 messages since they are mainly boring and canned messages. Having a good idea what the girl is looking for is a big help. If a girls profile is very thin, your chances of failure are high. She is either not treating this seriously or putting much effort into it, perhaps she thinks she can get by on her looks alone.

My 2 cents. There is no perfect approach.

[Akibono]

These kinds of dates can happen occasionally, especially with SA gals in the states. I met one gal for drinks and we hit if off. She says let's go to a hotel, and so I book one on my app. As we head there, she sees a strip club and wants to go in and I said sure. At first, we are having a blast in the strip club, and then I notice that she is getting very drunk and she starts flirting with a dancer. At this point, I am being left out and so I am bored. I tell her let's go and she says no. I am getting pretty mad, and eventually a bouncer escorts me out of the club. So then I call and text her, but she does not reply. I tell the bouncer that my GF is still in the club. So he goes to find her. She appears at the door and says that she is staying. I'm out over $500 for the night for drinks, food, cover charges, dancer tips, hotel, Ubers. Maybe it was even almost $1000.

Sooner or later we all get burned. I call that the built in price for a SB. You just have to be able to take the loss and move on. The loss of time, money and opportunity is very frustrating. That is the primary difference between a SB and an escort. You never know what you are getting. As you well know, being able to correctly read people is helpful, but you have very little facts to go on. I find the uncertainty frustrating. Some people have backup plans. I find that just complicates the matter. There are just so many duds and flakes. I guess girls with their life in order usually don't choose the SB route. Still, the magic of the find makes the effort worth it. From what I gather, it is probably even more difficult for the girls. People like you who can and are willing to put up money for a good time are scarce. They have to weed through a huge pile of crap and BS artists that either don't have any money or want it for free. In the end, I know I will fail a lot, but I am not afraid of walking away. I know I can deliver the goods and if a SB thinks they can find a better deal with lose in the end. There simply are not that many people with the income, situation, and tolerance of flakes out there to be found.

[Midwestern]

These kinds of dates can happen occasionally, especially with SA gals in the states. I met one gal for drinks and we hit if off. She says let's go to a hotel, and so I book one on my app. As we head there, she sees a strip club and wants to go in and I said sure. At first, we are having a blast in the strip club, and then I notice that she is getting very drunk and she starts flirting with a dancer. At this point, I am being left out and so I am bored. I tell her let's go and she says no. I am getting pretty mad, and eventually a bouncer escorts me out of the club. So then I call and text her, but she does not reply. I tell the bouncer that my GF is still in the club. So he goes to find her. She appears at the door and says that she is staying. I'm out over $500 for the night for drinks, food, cover charges, dancer tips, hotel, Ubers. Maybe it was even almost $1000.

Update, I ditched the Middle Eastern Chick because of her bad attitude and totally laziness. I have been with a new girl. Fun.

But not like the girls from MTY. Saturday night we have dinner on the Riverwalk. My friends totally hook us.

Up at the restaurant, so much fun. We decide to go dancing. She is on the phone the whole time, but still fun. I have not been dancing for over a year because of COVID.

We were going to go home, but we decide to stay a little longer. Starts off great, but again she is on the phone. I finally, pull my phone out and start texting girls in the MTY. She grabs my phone. I say, the night is over and walk off. I forgot she parked in my parking garage.

Uber arrives she puts my hand on her crouch I pull away. No conversation on the ride home. We get to my place and she asked why I am mad and of course denies grabbing my phone,(say it is my fault.) I told her the night was over.

I will never tolerate anyone grabbing my phone, especially not my girlfriend.

I miss Mexico!

American chicks are crazy m!