Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

What are some of your thoughts on why some SB's insist we do CIP? What is in it for them?

While both my SB and I are clean, my concern is around unwanted pregnancy. She claims she has IUD (intra uterine device). I'm not sure if it is trustworthy enough to do CIP without a care in the world.

If you do not want a kid with your SB, then do not CIP.

My current SB has been begging for CIP. And now I know why. She wants a kid. She finally admitted it.

Several years ago, one of my SBs told me that her friend got pregnant with her SD, and so she had the kid and now her friend is set for life because the court ordered the SD to pay child support. It was in a state where child support payments are very generous.

But maybe your SB is not trying to have a kid. And so what is in it for her? Maybe she just likes that closeness. I regularly fuck a former WG who is now legit and even has a BF / fiance. She always begs for CIP because she loves the feeling of me shooting a load inside of her. I have had a lot of other women say the same thing. I have to admit, CIP does feel awesome, but not worth it unless you are okay with having a kid.

[MiamiBoy1]

If you want constructive criticism, here you go.

2 in 3 people cannot think long term: https://www.latimes.com/science/scie...626-story.html.

MB,

You are talking too much. Let us make this easy. First thing you do is chat up the gal. For you, if she is not in college or has gone to college, she is a WG and treat her as such. If she gives you a price, she is a WG. Fuck her or tell her to fuck off but do not, do not try to make a WG into a sugar baby.

Stop with the blabbering on line. Get their number and meet them for a drink or coffee. Period. Have them take a personality test so you know how their minds work, ask them why they got on the site, ask about their family, ask about their dreams. You are interviewing them as they talk.

Finally, ask them what their needs are. Do they need a new Iphone? If she says that, she is a WG. Do they want money for mom's leaky roof or dad's medicine? Continue on.

Now is the time you decide to fuck her, tell her to fuck off, or make a SB offer. See how far it has gotten now? Make the woman jump over hurdles. Her being a SB is a great gig.

Tell her your job as a SD is not just you give her money and she gives you sex. You are here to meet her needs, and she will want to meet yours. Sometimes it will be money but there are other times it will be with your smarts and work.

Johns give WGs fish. SDs should be master fisherman and show the SB how to fish. Do not brag. Just let her see how your mind works. Only teach if she asks because she will learn just by being around you. Tell her you will fulfill her needs but in the order you want to. That is your hook unto a long term relationship.

I would not put too much emphasis on looks. I would put much more on sexual prowess, personality, and dependability with a potential SB. If a SB understands you are trying to improve her life, she will fall in love with you.

Five times I have had women tell me they love me in the last 2 years and mean it. The way you know that you are in is the SB will introduce you to your friends and family. Families hate johns but they love SDs who are helping their little girl. Understand that she is going to get shit from people for seeing you an older gringo. You have to be such a positive force in her life she does not mind. Hell, I have had mothers tell their daughters not to blow it with me. And I know all about the families of my ex SBs.

When you did your pay scale with 10's and seeking, I did not want to correct you. Your pay scale was logical, rational, and dead wrong. First off, women are not as rational about money as men are. Women are paid equally to men but they value quality of life more than money and go into easier positions with more time off.

As for the 10 types, they get so many fucking offers they are sick of it. What they want is someone safe, dependable and not full of shit. Every fucking time I go out with my gal, guys act like idiots. It scares her. What I have seen is safety wins out over throwing out a lot of cash every time.

So in summary, screen better, no one but college girls for SBs, anyone with a price is a ho, shut up and listen, ask yourself if she is SB material before you make an offer. Your goal is to add to her life while fucking the shit out of her.

Honestly, dude, you are the kind of guy that projects to women an image that you want to be right and agreed with. So IMO women listen to you, pretend to agree with you, fuck you, take your cash and leave. It is exhausting for them having to be someone they are not. Let them be who they are and they will not leave. For the last time, listen and let them tell you what they need. Many times, it is not money.

Elvis, thanks for the advice. But I think we all agree that SA markets are different, and the one in Medellin in particular, is a tough one. It is full of pros, and your strategy of meet and greet, not discussing PPM, etc. Most likely won't work here (never worked for me). I never bring up PPM when I chat up the girl. She does it first. Yes, that means she is a ho. But if I tell them to fuck off, I will have no other options to choose from. I've come to a conclusion that probably the best way to meet real SBs or non-pros in Medellin is at public places (gyms, shopping malls, cafes, etc) or get introduced by mutual friends.

As for the 10's or 9's, I don't chase them, they are pain in the ass. I would be happy with 7. 5-8.

Not sure what you meant by saying my pay scale is wrong. I merely stated what SA girls were asking, based on hundreds of interactions. I don't pay the prices that are out of my budget and certainly there is zero correlation between price and performance.

[Gfefan]

What are some of your thoughts on why some SB's insist we do CIP? What is in it for them?

While both my SB and I are clean, my concern is around unwanted pregnancy. She claims she has IUD (intra uterine device). I'm not sure if it is trustworthy enough to do CIP without a care in the world.

[Elvis 2008]

90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands).

If you want constructive criticism, here you go.

2 in 3 people cannot think long term: https://www.latimes.com/science/scie...626-story.html.

Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah.

MB,

You are talking too much. Let us make this easy. First thing you do is chat up the gal. For you, if she is not in college or has gone to college, she is a WG and treat her as such. If she gives you a price, she is a WG. Fuck her or tell her to fuck off but do not, do not try to make a WG into a sugar baby.

Stop with the blabbering on line. Get their number and meet them for a drink or coffee. Period. Have them take a personality test so you know how their minds work, ask them why they got on the site, ask about their family, ask about their dreams. You are interviewing them as they talk.

Finally, ask them what their needs are. Do they need a new Iphone? If she says that, she is a WG. Do they want money for mom's leaky roof or dad's medicine? Continue on.

Now is the time you decide to fuck her, tell her to fuck off, or make a SB offer. See how far it has gotten now? Make the woman jump over hurdles. Her being a SB is a great gig.

Tell her your job as a SD is not just you give her money and she gives you sex. You are here to meet her needs, and she will want to meet yours. Sometimes it will be money but there are other times it will be with your smarts and work.

Johns give WGs fish. SDs should be master fisherman and show the SB how to fish. Do not brag. Just let her see how your mind works. Only teach if she asks because she will learn just by being around you. Tell her you will fulfill her needs but in the order you want to. That is your hook unto a long term relationship.

I would not put too much emphasis on looks. I would put much more on sexual prowess, personality, and dependability with a potential SB. If a SB understands you are trying to improve her life, she will fall in love with you.

Five times I have had women tell me they love me in the last 2 years and mean it. The way you know that you are in is the SB will introduce you to your friends and family. Families hate johns but they love SDs who are helping their little girl. Understand that she is going to get shit from people for seeing you an older gringo. You have to be such a positive force in her life she does not mind. Hell, I have had mothers tell their daughters not to blow it with me. And I know all about the families of my ex SBs.

When you did your pay scale with 10's and seeking, I did not want to correct you. Your pay scale was logical, rational, and dead wrong. First off, women are not as rational about money as men are. Women are paid equally to men but they value quality of life more than money and go into easier positions with more time off.

As for the 10 types, they get so many fucking offers they are sick of it. What they want is someone safe, dependable and not full of shit. Every fucking time I go out with my gal, guys act like idiots. It scares her. What I have seen is safety wins out over throwing out a lot of cash every time.

So in summary, screen better, no one but college girls for SBs, anyone with a price is a ho, shut up and listen, ask yourself if she is SB material before you make an offer. Your goal is to add to her life while fucking the shit out of her.

Honestly, dude, you are the kind of guy that projects to women an image that you want to be right and agreed with. So IMO women listen to you, pretend to agree with you, fuck you, take your cash and leave. It is exhausting for them having to be someone they are not. Let them be who they are and they will not leave. For the last time, listen and let them tell you what they need. Many times, it is not money.

[Midwestern]

Can you provide a little more detail on the ppm hookups. My limited experience show that many, but not all, are just really escorts.

If they talked about money before meeting, then I avoided them. This is a great way to weed out most pros.

During the meet and greet (my favorite was over drinks), we would just get to know each other. This is where I would find out what they did for a living. And so, I met a nanny, a struggling restaurant owner, a new college graduate barely making ends meet at her new job, a person starting her own little business, etc. None of them were lying, as they knew so many tiny details about their jobs. And so, I would say something like, "Wow, it must be hard making rent every month. Even though we just met, I really like you. Let me give you $400. " And then the gal would say something like, "oh my god, that is so awesome of of you, thank you!" I think there was only one time that we did not end up fucking at some point.

There are a lot of housewives on SA too. I avoided them. From my many exchanges with them, I got the sense that they had become semi pros and thus quite business like.

[DramaFree11]

Yes, I do complain, but my complaints are legit, based on my own experience. SA in Mexico City was much much better than in MDE (at least, last summer when I was there). Bogota is better than MDE, and it was pretty good on my trip there half a year ago (maybe because of covid restrictions / strikes? Who knows), but this time Bogota sucked too. SA could be good in Rio, but for some reason it is not popular there, and pickings are slim, even though Rio got plenty of great talent, most beautiful girls I have ever seen, but I assume they are non-pros or just not familiar with SA. Can't tell anything about Russia, never used SA there, but Tinder rocks (at least for me, because I'm Russian and speak the language).

Dramafree, and all other posters, if you think my complaints are not legit, feel free to explain why. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic and you have different experiences.

I have written about my recommendations extensively, please read. I do recommend picking one spot, put all your resources into that destination. (Time, Money and hard work).

I do agree you complain a lot, I do appreciate your honesty. I did like your post on what makes a 10 in a girl.

[MiamiBoy1]

As much as I do not like American Chicks, I would much rather be with American girls then girls from MDE all day long. Honestly a girl tells me they are from Colombia I block them now, I just can not deal with there bad attitudes. I hated MDE and I would never go back, even if you paid me. I do believe Elvis that Bogota is much better, but I will stick with Mxico / Russia. I Love the girls, weather and food in Mxico. Another plus Mexican girls love sex and are total freaks.

As far as Mamiab. He complains a lot and find fault in a lot of destinations. I do say that MDE sucks and the good old days are long gone in Kiev, but I speak very highly about Mexico and Russia. Mb. Complains and finds fault in most places.

Yes, I do complain, but my complaints are legit, based on my own experience. SA in Mexico City was much much better than in MDE (at least, last summer when I was there). Bogota is better than MDE, and it was pretty good on my trip there half a year ago (maybe because of covid restrictions / strikes? Who knows), but this time Bogota sucked too. SA could be good in Rio, but for some reason it is not popular there, and pickings are slim, even though Rio got plenty of great talent, most beautiful girls I have ever seen, but I assume they are non-pros or just not familiar with SA. Can't tell anything about Russia, never used SA there, but Tinder rocks (at least for me, because I'm Russian and speak the language).

Dramafree, and all other posters, if you think my complaints are not legit, feel free to explain why. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic and you have different experiences.

[Akibono]

I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.

Not much you can do when a girl wants quick cash. The best way for her is many guys with short meetings. Sometimes, if you know what she needs and you can provide it, you can bump them out of the escort mindset, but I think that is mostly a losing battle. Once a gal is OK with sleeping around, you are not going to turn them back. The SBs are usually still apprehensive with going with strangers. So, they do more screening which takes time and effort. This means, no easy payday for them and they are looking for something more long-term. What puts me off is that cheap hooker attitude where you are just treated as another commodity based on what she can get from you. Best to run away from them unless a quick hookup is what you are looking for.

[DramaFree11]

Yeah I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference between Colombia and USA Seeking is very different. Sure there are pros in the US on Seeking but they are easy to weed out. And the non pros are awesome GFE dates. I think in MDE most of the SA girls are pros. Harder to find non pro. One time the USA wins on P4 P. Yay!

P.S. Think DramaFree has a bunch of luck but maybe that is Mexico City I think. But hit him up and see.

As much as I do not like American Chicks, I would much rather be with American girls then girls from MDE all day long. Honestly a girl tells me they are from Colombia I block them now, I just can not deal with there bad attitudes. I hated MDE and I would never go back, even if you paid me. I do believe Elvis that Bogota is much better, but I will stick with Mxico / Russia. I Love the girls, weather and food in Mxico. Another plus Mexican girls love sex and are total freaks.

As far as Mamiab. He complains a lot and find fault in a lot of destinations. I do say that MDE sucks and the good old days are long gone in Kiev, but I speak very highly about Mexico and Russia. Mb. Complains and finds fault in most places.

[Sun Devil]

I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.

I am about to leave Guadalajara, where I have 2 coed sugar babies who have provided almost daily sex that always had DFK, BBBJ with CIM and swallow, to go to Medellin for the next 3 weeks. One girl is a ballet student who is into Bob Dylan and the Beatles. The other is a nanotechnology major who did her homework in my Airbnb prior to us having mind boggling sex. The reason for the move to Colombia was because of change of scenery and price. Here in Mexico I have been giving gifts of about $200 per date (I have justified the amount by the great sex that they are giving me). Apparently, after texting POTs via WhatsApp, I have been informed that the going rate for a date in Medellin is 300 k, which is $77. I am just curious how you vetted your selections. If your experience is the norm, I might have to curtail my plan of staying in Medellin for 3 weeks.

[Steve 9696]

Can you provide a little more detail on the ppm hookups. My limited experience show that many, but not all, are just really escorts.

I would not call them sugarbabies at all. The sb requires some attraction and do some screening. They usually want more money than the escorts. I am reluctant to go with them because of the risks and they lie like sailors. Thus, you have no idea what you are going to get.

My experience is the good girls def don't think of themselves as pros and as soon as you cross the line you are gone. For example Kayla by our third night (so already had sex four times. And given her "allowance") we were discussing SA and our experiences. (P.S. I don't do this much because it can hurt the vibe). And she says "Some guys want to just offer me money to go to the hotel room. I always block them. I'm not a prostitute!" She was clearly offended by any notion that she's a pro. Yet we she just got allowance for the time spent with me that included a couple hours in bed. Importantly she sees this as a choice she made to sleep with a guy she likes. And he gives her spending / rent money. No big deal. But NOT prostitution in her mind. (Or mine).

Só never say PPM. Never say how much you want? Or how much you charge. My patter after some nice chat is:

"So here is how I see our date going. We meet for dinner or drinks and we have an awesome time. Assuming we vibe we take things private. On the off chance we don't vibe we can part after dinner no harm no foul. Does that sound about right?

After they say yes I ask separately "of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance — did you have something in mind?

This approach has worked well — keeping them engaged amd discussing the topic without any overt mentions of PPM. My stats as if this month are (W vs L):

Lunch 1 and 3.

Drinks 8 and 0.

Dinner 19 and 4.

As you may have guessed I don't do lunch anymore. LOL. Although both my lunch and other fails were primarily when new to the game. Pretty spotless record of late.

[Steve 9696]

I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.

Yeah I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference between Colombia and USA — Seeking is very different. Sure there are pros in the US on Seeking but they are easy to weed out. And the non pros are awesome GFE dates. I think in MDE most of the SA girls are pros. Harder to find non pro. One time the USA wins on P4 P. Yay!

P.S. Think DramaFree has a bunch of luck but maybe that is Mexico City I think. But hit him up and see.

[MiamiBoy1]

Can you provide a little more detail on the ppm hookups. My limited experience show that many, but not all, are just really escorts.

I would not call them sugarbabies at all. The sb requires some attraction and do some screening. They usually want more money than the escorts. I am reluctant to go with them because of the risks and they lie like sailors. Thus, you have no idea what you are going to get.

I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.

[Akibono]

I only used SA in the United States, and mostly in San Francisco, including entire bay area. I used to live and work in SF.

When using SA, I only met up with gals that did NOT talk about money before the meet and greet. These gals barely exist. That's why I only ended up meeting about 50 gals during 20 months, even though I spent hours every day on SA.

In addition, I did not use SA to meet college girls. I met some college girls, and it was boring. So, my age target was late 20s and 30s.

If I was on the road, then I just used SA for PPM hookups.

Again, I strongly recommend not looking for freebies on SA. Even when you find a freebie, it' is not worth it, on average, from my experience.

In China, I look for arrangements with MP gals. About a quarter of the MP gals have BFs and arrangements.

Can you provide a little more detail on the ppm hookups. My limited experience show that many, but not all, are just really escorts.

I would not call them sugarbabies at all. The sb requires some attraction and do some screening. They usually want more money than the escorts. I am reluctant to go with them because of the risks and they lie like sailors. Thus, you have no idea what you are going to get.

[Midwestern]

Midwestern, I think you need to delineate the situation in China versus the United States. Western men are very popular with Chinese and other Asian women. There is more of the long-game husband search for many of these women.

You also have to factor the country and the culture difference. A western guy hunting in China adds dynamic also.

I only used SA in the United States, and mostly in San Francisco, including entire bay area. I used to live and work in SF.

When using SA, I only met up with gals that did NOT talk about money before the meet and greet. These gals barely exist. That's why I only ended up meeting about 50 gals during 20 months, even though I spent hours every day on SA.

In addition, I did not use SA to meet college girls. I met some college girls, and it was boring. So, my age target was late 20s and 30s.

If I was on the road, then I just used SA for PPM hookups.

Again, I strongly recommend not looking for freebies on SA. Even when you find a freebie, it' is not worth it, on average, from my experience.

In China, I look for arrangements with MP gals. About a quarter of the MP gals have BFs and arrangements.