Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

Midwestern, I think you need to delineate the situation in China versus the United States. Western men are very popular with Chinese and other Asian women. There is more of the long-game husband search for many of these women.

You also have to factor the country and the culture difference. A western guy hunting in China adds dynamic also.

I only used SA in the United States, and mostly in San Francisco, including entire bay area. I used to live and work in SF.

When using SA, I only met up with gals that did NOT talk about money before the meet and greet. These gals barely exist. That's why I only ended up meeting about 50 gals during 20 months, even though I spent hours every day on SA.

In addition, I did not use SA to meet college girls. I met some college girls, and it was boring. So, my age target was late 20s and 30s.

If I was on the road, then I just used SA for PPM hookups.

Again, I strongly recommend not looking for freebies on SA. Even when you find a freebie, it' is not worth it, on average, from my experience.

In China, I look for arrangements with MP gals. About a quarter of the MP gals have BFs and arrangements.

[Mush Elvii]

I stumbled on this thread just by accident. Though I know SA (mentioned alot on South American / Mexican cities discussion), I signed up yesterday purely to rake some prospects for MTY / MDE upcoming trip (2 - 4 week timeframe). Iam not new to that scene but SA is just another medium to find some (good ones)!

However just for sh**t & g**gl*s I thought of checking local talent(central/S TX); got hit with dozen plus, same profiles more or less, asking for assistance, blah blah. I picked one, agreed to meet over drinks after work and she showed up on time. We sat, and she basically went to town on menu. LOL! Now I'm gentlemen enough not to object and let her enjoy it, but a simple meet and greet turn into fu**in 200 $ food / drink bill and all I got are barely 2 bases.

I drop her off, played the trick of getting invited in but failed. she's ready to spend weekend in hotel though and let me suggest 'arrangement' $$ which is worthy of her,
However I'm not going to spend one more min with her. There's bunch more who approached and want to meet at 4 star steak house / seafood place as initial meeting. (one invited straight up in her apt for 'coffee' which I spooked and declined. Who knows if brothers are sitting in there waiting for me. LOL).

Anyway, just wanted to get some insight on usa based SA options; I get it these bit**s are all flaky and shit, but what is usual setup for initial screening and spending? And is 200-300 ppm is avg running for these 'so called college gals' (which I highly doubt many of them are not even in school).

Sorry for nave post but this is a bit different than tindr / bumble style hookup so thought I ask.

Cheers fu*k*rs!

[Midwestern]

Basically, about 50% of the women you met, never brought up PPM / money discussion, correct? How many women have you contacted in total to get to those numbers (25 hook ups, 12/13 freebies)? Thousands? Your numbers are impressive, honestly. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or is it just a bad luck?

Yes, I contacted thousands of gals. Literally. I was on SA for several hours a day, everyday. Over 20 hours a week. I was hooked. Some people are addicted to online gaming. I was addicted to SA.

Everyday, I would go through at least the first half dozen pages of profiles, sorted based on most recent activity. I would send messages to at least 20 gals per day. I ended up meeting at least 50 gals in person over the 20 months that I was on SA. Eventually hooked up with half of them. No chemistry with other half. For me, meet and greet was very important.

Many (most) of the women wanted to discuss financial arrangements before meeting, and I just told them let's just meet first, and these women felt it was wasting their time to meet without discussing the arrangement. To me, I thought it was a waste of time to discuss arrangements with people that I have not even met in person yet. So, I pretty much only met women that did not bring up money before we met.

So, I met 50, out of several thousand that I initially contacted, and out of maybe the one thousand that bothered to reply back to me.

When we did meet, if there was chemistry, then we would either hook up that night, or later. About a third of the time, they asked about the arrangement, about a third of the time I brought it up (and when I did this, about half the time the gal said let's not talk about it now (a few were insulted that I even brought it up), and a third of the time it was not brought up.

Not sure if this matters, but this was San Francisco, where there were a ton of people on SA and a ton of activity on SA, especially when including the areas outside SF.

But again, don't seek freebies on SA. That's my advice.

[BrizLad]

I have previously mentioned that among the 25 gals that I hooked up with on SA, over a period of 20 months on the site, that about 12 or 13 were freebies.

Why only 25 gals total? I was picky and I avoided pros. And when I found a few gals that I liked, then I was happily set for a few weeks or months.

You also have to factor the country and the culture difference. A western guy hunting in China adds dynamic also.

[WyattEarp]

Basically, about 50% of the women you met, never brought up PPM / money discussion, correct? How many women have you contacted in total to get to those numbers (25 hook ups, 12/13 freebies)? Thousands? Your numbers are impressive, honestly. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or is it just a bad luck?

Midwestern, I think you need to delineate the situation in China versus the United States. Western men are very popular with Chinese and other Asian women. There is more of the long-game husband search for many of these women.

[MiamiBoy1]

I have previously mentioned that among the 25 gals that I hooked up with on SA, over a period of 20 months on the site, that about 12 or 13 were freebies.

Why only 25 gals total? I was picky and I avoided pros. And when I found a few gals that I liked, then I was happily set for a few weeks or months.

More importantly, how did I score the freebies? It was never my intention to score freebies, but it just happened. Based on the dozen freebies that I scored, I hate to generalize, but here is a rough breakdown as follows.

Some were brand new to SA. It was not only their first day on SA, but maybe even their first hour on SA. I immediatley chatted them up and if there was any chemistry, I immediately suggested a meet and greet for that same night or soon thereafter. And so, they were not yet jaded and I could set their expectations.

Some were in it for the long game. Hoping to marry a rich guy. I know that at least one of my former freebies eventually did marry a rich guy, as I saw her huge engagement ring on her social media about a year after we were together.

Some were decently employed and were not desperate for money. They just wanted to have fun, with me picking up the tab, and liked having a "rich" boyfriend.

And then there were the PPMs that later became freebies. I did not include them in my list of 12 or 13 freebies. If I count PPMs that I converted to freebies, then my number of freebies is in the high teens. Remember, I only met with non pros. And with non pros, after they have been with you intimately for a few weeks, they do not want to stop seeing you. I was like a friend to them, that they had fun with, and that they shared quality intimacy with. Gosh, I don't know how many PPM gals later said to me that I did not have to give them anything. I am not rich, super fit, or young. I was just a fun and easy going guy, and I was not creepy or weird in bed.

But at the end of the day, I was always prepared to help them out financially. If you are going to be on SA, you cannot be cheap about it. I did not seek freebies. Just happened. And in fact, IMHO, PPM is better than a freebie. With freebies, there's always this sense of mystery and discomfort about what is she in this for. So if you do not mind my advice, I suggest not seeking freebies on SA. It is being cheap, and always worrying about the other shoe to drop is not worth it. Aren't there websites for freebies? Like friend finder or tinder or match or plenty of fish and etc?

Basically, about 50% of the women you met, never brought up PPM / money discussion, correct? How many women have you contacted in total to get to those numbers (25 hook ups, 12/13 freebies)? Thousands? Your numbers are impressive, honestly. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or is it just a bad luck?

[Midwestern]

I have previously mentioned that among the 25 gals that I hooked up with on SA, over a period of 20 months on the site, that about 12 or 13 were freebies.

Why only 25 gals total? I was picky and I avoided pros. And when I found a few gals that I liked, then I was happily set for a few weeks or months.

More importantly, how did I score the freebies? It was never my intention to score freebies, but it just happened. Based on the dozen freebies that I scored, I hate to generalize, but here is a rough breakdown as follows.

Some were brand new to SA. It was not only their first day on SA, but maybe even their first hour on SA. I immediatley chatted them up and if there was any chemistry, I immediately suggested a meet and greet for that same night or soon thereafter. And so, they were not yet jaded and I could set their expectations.

Some were in it for the long game. Hoping to marry a rich guy. I know that at least one of my former freebies eventually did marry a rich guy, as I saw her huge engagement ring on her social media about a year after we were together.

Some were decently employed and were not desperate for money. They just wanted to have fun, with me picking up the tab, and liked having a "rich" boyfriend.

And then there were the PPMs that later became freebies. I did not include them in my list of 12 or 13 freebies. If I count PPMs that I converted to freebies, then my number of freebies is in the high teens. Remember, I only met with non pros. And with non pros, after they have been with you intimately for a few weeks, they do not want to stop seeing you. I was like a friend to them, that they had fun with, and that they shared quality intimacy with. Gosh, I don't know how many PPM gals later said to me that I did not have to give them anything. I am not rich, super fit, or young. I was just a fun and easy going guy, and I was not creepy or weird in bed.

But at the end of the day, I was always prepared to help them out financially. If you are going to be on SA, you cannot be cheap about it. I did not seek freebies. Just happened. And in fact, IMHO, PPM is better than a freebie. With freebies, there's always this sense of mystery and discomfort about what is she in this for. So if you do not mind my advice, I suggest not seeking freebies on SA. It is being cheap, and always worrying about the other shoe to drop is not worth it. Aren't there websites for freebies? Like friend finder or tinder or match or plenty of fish and etc?

I read so many stories here about how a monger found a super hot SB, fucked her and she did not ask for a dime. I understand that we all pay one way or another, but I consider wine & dine, accommodations, taxi / flight expenses standard. No matter how and where I meet a girl, I'm ready for these expenses. I've been using SA for over a year now, and I would say, from my experience, that 95%+ of the girls that I ever contacted, asked me for money. All of them wanted to hear a specific number, per hour, per multiple hours, per date BEFORE we even meet. Red flag, right? For many of you, it would be a no go situation. If I decline to agree to a specific rate / number, or negotiate it, they all lose interest and stop responding or just tell me they are not interested. If I were to reject every single girl that asks for money, I would have pretty much zero options to choose from. Okay, maybe a few %. I'm not ugly, not old, dress and smell well. My SA profile is almost 100% complete with a bunch of real good quality photos of me. I must admit that my standards are a bit high, I'm picky af. I only contact girls that I consider to be 7+. I guess if I had lower my standards, I would find a freebie who just wants to wine and dine, or just date a foreigner. I'm not looking for freebies specifically, this is not my priority, but it would be nice to have 1 or 2 in the mix sometimes and feel like a real boyfriend. Because when cash does not exchange hands, it just feels so much better and natural. So, how do you find freebies or non-pros? What is your strategy?

[Akibono]

Agree. Awesome report. And so much the "correct" SB experience. A true girlfriend for 24 hours because she wants to. There is no pro going to hang with you overnight for $300. I simply love when these girls decide to stay the night. To me that's the ultimate "I enjoy being with you" statement. Because they truly don't have to. Money is the same regardless. So it's really her choice to hang with you. Totally awesome.

It's really about trust. You are correct, it goes both ways. For some reason, probably ego, when money is less obvious, I am more generous. I hate being an ATM. You get back what you give. Most girls are a bit insecure. Lots of guy try to get something for nothing. Others are just flakes. They get ghosted and rejected a lot. So, the defensive mechanism is to reject us first. Staying overnight is an indication she trusts you. I believe actions are more reliable than words.

[Steve 9696]

Great report. Adding Madrid to my cities to visit.

Agree. Awesome report. And so much the "correct" SB experience. A true girlfriend for 24 hours because she wants to. There is no pro going to hang with you overnight for $300. I simply love when these girls decide to stay the night. To me that's the ultimate "I enjoy being with you" statement. Because they truly don't have to. Money is the same regardless. So it's really her choice to hang with you. Totally awesome.

[Steve 9696]

I read so many stories here about how a monger found a super hot SB, fucked her and she did not ask for a dime. I understand that we all pay one way or another, but I consider wine & dine, accommodations, taxi / flight expenses standard. No matter how and where I meet a girl, I'm ready for these expenses. I've been using SA for over a year now, and I would say, from my experience, that 95%+ of the girls that I ever contacted, asked me for money. All of them wanted to hear a specific number, per hour, per multiple hours, per date BEFORE we even meet. Red flag, right? For many of you, it would be a no go situation. If I decline to agree to a specific rate / number, or negotiate it, they all lose interest and stop responding or just tell me they are not interested. If I were to reject every single girl that asks for money, I would have pretty much zero options to choose from. Okay, maybe a few %. I'm not ugly, not old, dress and smell well. My SA profile is almost 100% complete with a bunch of real good quality photos of me. I must admit that my standards are a bit high, I'm picky af. I only contact girls that I consider to be 7+. I guess if I had lower my standards, I would find a freebie who just wants to wine and dine, or just date a foreigner. I'm not looking for freebies specifically, this is not my priority, but it would be nice to have 1 or 2 in the mix sometimes and feel like a real boyfriend. Because when cash does not exchange hands, it just feels so much better and natural. So, how do you find freebies or non-pros? What is your strategy?

I am with you that it's rare to find a girl that doesn't want to settle amount before the date. Probably only 2-3 of the twenty five or so seeking girls I've banged. That said settling a PPM amount before the date does not make them a pro. I'the say pretty much all the girls and I consider them non pros. They are just girls that can live in the moment and enjoy time with a guy they like a the come out a bit better off. They surely do not consider themselves pros and will be mightily offended if you do.

That said I think getting freebies on SA is wrong. They are on SA for sugar. Them giving you sugar and you not giving it back is just wrong IMO. At least that is how I play.

[Steve 9696]

If you are not super fat, not super old, and / or not super ugly, then SBs and even pros will fuck you happily for more than your money.

I am not super fat, I am not super old, and I am not super ugly, and so many WGs and SBs like both me and my money, not just my money.

Yes, there might be some gals that only like me for my money, but usually I will not see them again, especially an SB.

Will any of these gals see me without money? I admit, probably not. Do many of them like me for more than just the money? Probably yes.

Absolutely spot on. Well said!

[Oneminuteboy]

Great report. Adding Madrid to my cities to visit.

[LshRoomer]

I've been back for about 2 weeks now and I finally have a chance to write this report. It's my first report here, just sharing the experience.

To all those that gave Madrid feedback / advice, thank you! I was blown away by the reception, quality, and responsiveness in Madrid. There were so many girls ready to meet that I literally had my pick of the litter. Some of the girls that I couldn't meet are still asking me over whatsapp when I plan to return. I'm kicking myself for not jumping into the Madrid pool so much earlier. PPM in Madrid comes out to 200/300 euro, from my limited experience. And in my case, it included an overnight (not negotiated, it just happened).

Elizabeth (Lili), 24/26??

She was cool on SA, so we moved over to whatsapp. I had no intention of meeting her during the 2 days I had. There were about 3 other girls that were already chomping at the bit to hang out. She was probably my 3rd or 4th preference. I had a date already scheduled for 8 pm, so I was set.

Around 5/6 Lili wrote me and asked what I was doing that night. I told her I had plans and that we should try for the next day. She mentioned earlier that she wanted to hang out around 10 pm. I had plans for 8 but work was quickly getting in the way. Lili wrote me again and told me she was bored. Work was going to kill my 8 pm but I knew that I would be done by 10. She sent me a voice message telling me how bored she was. So I asked her if she wanted to come over and chill with me, and she accepted, after asking me 100 times if I was serious. I started to think it was a bad idea.

She was about an hour away and during her trip to me, she just seemed like a crazy girl. She kept asking if I was going to be there, or if I was going to stand her up. Am I serious about meeting? I'm starting to shoot myself thinking that I chose the wrong girl. There was a starbucks on the corner, and I told her that I was going to grab a coffee and she was surprised that I asked her what she wanted. Starbucks ended up closing as I got there and this would repeat throughout the night. When she finally gets to the plaza, she texted me and I told her that I changed my mind about meeting (joke) and she called me like, WTF, it just took an hour to get here. Are you serious! I walked toward her on my cell while telling her that I'm sorry I just can't make it. LOL. She saw me and just started laughing. So we hugged and got off to a good start. Once we got together, I could see all her anxiety disappear. I suggested grabbing a quick drink before trying a tapas place that I found online. She was down. After the drink, we started our mission for food. It was late and there were plenty of people out, but the restaurants were closing. We couldn't find food anywhere. It was literally closing time everywhere. We went to about 5 places that all were closing as we walked in the door. We found a chill place that was still open and ate / drank outside. This was not a fancy place at all, but they had the best olives I've ever tasted in my life. I realized that I've been robbed all these years of eating olives. I had no idea they could be this good.

I find out she is an english teacher and an actress. After looking for another place to have a drink and failing, we decided to head back to my place. We would have had to go too far in order to get to a good bar, so we went with the easy option. Once we arrived, it was all good and very comfortable. We chatted on the couch and she continued to tell me more about her situation. We took pictures and just chilled. We were both drunk and we both took edibles, so we were super chill and just chatting.

It started getting late, so it was time to put the moves on her. I came in the living room and told her that I was about to sleep and walked over to her to give her goodnight kiss. As she was sitting on the couch, I stood in front or her and leaned in for a kiss on the cheek. The kiss was slow and definitely suggestive. I then kissed the other cheek, touching her nose with mine as I switched, still taking it slowly, while also stroking her hair (I'm a hair guy). She put her hand on my face and kissed me with a gentle peck and a look that foretold of more to come. She pulled me closer for more kisses as I mounted her kinda like a girl would mount you if you were sitting on the couch (obvious I didn't' put all my weight on her! As I kissed her and roamed all over freely, I could tell she was really into it. Every peck on the neck or shoulder was met with a moan that seemed uncontrollable. I've found that a lot of girls like when you are on top of them like this. There is a certain dominance mixed with pleasure that really makes them melt. I pull her head back by her hair in order to kiss her neck as she moaned and continued to grab me in a way that said, "what are you waiting for? She took off my shirt and started the nipple sucking. I love that feeling. We ended up laying down on the couch still making out as I started to undo her dress and disrobe her from the top down. As I undid her bra, I was immediately greeted by a pierced left nipple that she asked me to be careful with. Dress came fully off and I reached down to test the waters as she kisses my shoulders and even the top of my head. She was very sensual. She asked if I had a condom and I almost shot myself. I only had one condom and I was probably out of luck to find another one. At this point, I knew I would go through at least 3 condoms by the morning time and was stuck with just making the one last for one big hurrah.

We stand up and make our way to the bedroom. She lays down with no hesitation and the make out session continues. When I touch her again, I see that she is even more wet than before. I roam her whole body with my hands and as always got a good look at what's down below. It's important to know if all is well. Shaved, not shaved, bumps / no bumps, smell / no smell. She was clean and ready to go. The kissing began again chest to chest but I wasn't on top of her, more on the side where I could touch her whole body from head to feet. I moved further up and she put it in her mouth with no hesitation. I stuck with the blowjob for about 30 seconds but was much more interested in what her sensual sex game was like. Rolled down the bag as she waited, rubbing my thighs. We start in mish slow, lot of kissing. She was not the greatest kisser, but she wasn't bad, problably hadn't come across a certain kissing style before. She is loving mish and everytime I touch the clit, she squeezes my arm or whatever her hand is near. Her body was nice. She was short and thin with wide hips but not skinny. Mish turns into banging her on the side, which turns into doggy. I felt her pushing her hips up too high during doggy, so I gently pulled her hips back in order to make the connection more comfortable (less pressure bending my junk). The session escalated and the doggy pounding got harder, as I grabbed her arms or her hair, her response each time was suggesting to do it more. LOL. Finally bust in the bag and she collapsed on the bed and said "Wow" . Hahahah. I still laugh in my head when I think of her laying on the bed and the only thing that came to her mind was "wow" LOL. Got cleaned up and she asked if she could stay but said that she can't sleep without the TV on and complained that there was no TV in the bedroom. She slept on the couch and I slept in the bedroom. The next morning, I gave her 250 eu and she seemed surprised (we agree on 200). I called her a bolt (like Uber) and before she left she gave me the let's bang again eyes, but I had no condoms (I'm still mad about that). She hugged me at the door with a strong hug. It actually surprised me because it was prolonged and strong. She texted me when she got home and hit me two days later to hang out again and about a week ago asking when I'll be back.

She was super cool and for anyone that says that SA girls are just escorts, I can't emphasize enough that though they may have sex for money, they are definitely not pros. Pros don't do all night for 200 euros and they usually don't call you to hang out. Just saying. I totally plan on seeing her next time I'm in town. I now have a reason to check out Spain. I waited waaaay too long to check out this gem.

[MiamiBoy1]

I read so many stories here about how a monger found a super hot SB, fucked her and she did not ask for a dime. I understand that we all pay one way or another, but I consider wine & dine, accommodations, taxi / flight expenses standard. No matter how and where I meet a girl, I'm ready for these expenses. I've been using SA for over a year now, and I would say, from my experience, that 95%+ of the girls that I ever contacted, asked me for money. All of them wanted to hear a specific number, per hour, per multiple hours, per date BEFORE we even meet. Red flag, right? For many of you, it would be a no go situation. If I decline to agree to a specific rate / number, or negotiate it, they all lose interest and stop responding or just tell me they are not interested. If I were to reject every single girl that asks for money, I would have pretty much zero options to choose from. Okay, maybe a few %. I'm not ugly, not old, dress and smell well. My SA profile is almost 100% complete with a bunch of real good quality photos of me. I must admit that my standards are a bit high, I'm picky af. I only contact girls that I consider to be 7+. I guess if I had lower my standards, I would find a freebie who just wants to wine and dine, or just date a foreigner. I'm not looking for freebies specifically, this is not my priority, but it would be nice to have 1 or 2 in the mix sometimes and feel like a real boyfriend. Because when cash does not exchange hands, it just feels so much better and natural. So, how do you find freebies or non-pros? What is your strategy?

[LshRoomer]

It's obviously a money game. It's intrinsic to the sugar lifestyle and the "arrangement". However, there is a human component as well, where the girl might actually like you.

Midwestern made a damn good point. If you are not "too" anything, then her getting paid is a bonus. Even some pros have a hard time faking when the customer is too fat / bald / ugly / generally disgusting because they are women with their own preferences, etc.

In my experience, the girls that you have a "beyond money rapport" with, will seek you out after your outing and make future attempts to spend time with you, maybe even without money exchange (Sb in London just wanted to enjoy restaurants and suites, no cash). I've even heard (never been) that the bar girls in Thailand will treat you better and give you better prices if they like you. Another good example of the human component in the exchange.

In general, you can't ignore the human component and conclude that money is the only attraction.

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