Seeking Arrangements

[MiamiBoy1]

I read so many stories here about how a monger found a super hot SB, fucked her and she did not ask for a dime. I understand that we all pay one way or another, but I consider wine & dine, accommodations, taxi / flight expenses standard. No matter how and where I meet a girl, I'm ready for these expenses. I've been using SA for over a year now, and I would say, from my experience, that 95%+ of the girls that I ever contacted, asked me for money. All of them wanted to hear a specific number, per hour, per multiple hours, per date BEFORE we even meet. Red flag, right? For many of you, it would be a no go situation. If I decline to agree to a specific rate / number, or negotiate it, they all lose interest and stop responding or just tell me they are not interested. If I were to reject every single girl that asks for money, I would have pretty much zero options to choose from. Okay, maybe a few %. I'm not ugly, not old, dress and smell well. My SA profile is almost 100% complete with a bunch of real good quality photos of me. I must admit that my standards are a bit high, I'm picky af. I only contact girls that I consider to be 7+. I guess if I had lower my standards, I would find a freebie who just wants to wine and dine, or just date a foreigner. I'm not looking for freebies specifically, this is not my priority, but it would be nice to have 1 or 2 in the mix sometimes and feel like a real boyfriend. Because when cash does not exchange hands, it just feels so much better and natural. So, how do you find freebies or non-pros? What is your strategy?

[LshRoomer]

It's obviously a money game. It's intrinsic to the sugar lifestyle and the "arrangement". However, there is a human component as well, where the girl might actually like you.

Midwestern made a damn good point. If you are not "too" anything, then her getting paid is a bonus. Even some pros have a hard time faking when the customer is too fat / bald / ugly / generally disgusting because they are women with their own preferences, etc.

In my experience, the girls that you have a "beyond money rapport" with, will seek you out after your outing and make future attempts to spend time with you, maybe even without money exchange (Sb in London just wanted to enjoy restaurants and suites, no cash). I've even heard (never been) that the bar girls in Thailand will treat you better and give you better prices if they like you. Another good example of the human component in the exchange.

In general, you can't ignore the human component and conclude that money is the only attraction.

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[Midwestern]

If you are not super fat, not super old, and / or not super ugly, then SBs and even pros will fuck you happily for more than your money.

I am not super fat, I am not super old, and I am not super ugly, and so many WGs and SBs like both me and my money, not just my money.

Yes, there might be some gals that only like me for my money, but usually I will not see them again, especially an SB.

Will any of these gals see me without money? I admit, probably not. Do many of them like me for more than just the money? Probably yes.

[Akibono]

Yeah I'm not exactly new to this. I get that she's going to see people when I'm not there. I would want that for her. What I don't want is for her to get locked up with a big time exclusive SD that takes her off the market. But that's prob unavoidable at some point, because she's had that in the past. Like Melty at Diva in London. She was just soooo great (pro not SB) but then bam her Instagram blows up the next year with yachts and Maseratis and she's shacking up with some old SD dude. Happy for her. But prefer that Kayla not go off the market that way. A vain hope I suppose.

I got that the mall trip was a subtle money ask. I usually ignore those. But she's low maintenance and I sometimes like doing extras for girls I like just because I can. I have I guess about 6 or 7 girls I send birthday money to. I won't miss it. And they can use it. Maybe they buy their boyfriends dinner with it. Doesn't bother me. I still like brightening their day once a year.

And of course I know they only date me with money on the table. That is a given at my age. But yeah I think several actually like me and now the haters will chime in and say no, it's only your money. But what 9 is going to spend 14 hrs on a plane and in airports and 72 hrs with someone they don't like for $1000 that they could make at home by snapping their fingers. (Alexa, Mika) And what 9. 5 is going to fuck you bareback and have non-stop sex w you for two hours when she will make the exact same amount with a condom and a whole lot less fucking and BJ. I'm going to believe the money is incentive but not the whole story and all the realists will never convince me otherwise.

We never own them and would never want to. They eventually get old and we get tired of them. You can marry them, and still, if they are bored, they will cheat on you or find someone else. I suppose it is about new and excitement. Because the gifts come so quick and easily, these girls do not appreciate them and think it will last forever. Eventually, they realize they lose their looks and are replaced by other newer hotter girls. I find there is at most a 5 year window where women peak. That does not mean they are not still attractive and you do not want to fuck them, but they are missing just some intangible quality. Enjoy them while it lasts. I always get back to what is rare for them. These girls get plenty of attention, but not so much respect. They hear a thousand lies. Confident and respect go far. So does a few gifts. I think your best path is not to compete with those who have money to burn. These guys may impress the girls, by the girls also know these guys play the field. The get jealous of the competition. Plus, plenty of rich guys are also aholes because they can buy who they want. Never let the girls see you are bothered by the competition.

Recently, I got a slew of messages from SA girls. I am not sure how they got my numbers since I do not give it out freely. They are all professionals. While the costs are cheap, I am not interested in a professional escort. It is both risky and the pics are probably made up like everything else. I suspect there are many girls on the site merely trolling for prospects. They collect numbers and contact until they are kicked off the site. Then they use these numbers to attract clients. They may also share them among themselves. I find it too coincidental that these contacts just seemed to pop out of the blue. Anyone else have a similar experience?

[Elvis 2008]

I am very confident in my charm, charisma and text game but there's def guys with more money than me even though I am prob considered rich by many.

Any of you have experience in the long distance game with the hottest girl around? Any other thoughts or tips on keeping her engaged for maximum duration?

I think you are focusing on the wrong things Steve. A girl does not fuck you like that for just money. She did it because she likes you.

The way to keep her engaged is fun texts and telling her you are thinking of her in a non-stalkerish way and visit her as much as humanly possible. Every day my gal and I text each other. We went 4 weeks without seeing and each other, and she damned near ripped my clothes off because it was so long. It is going on close to two weeks now and I am telling her to get ready to get pounded. I miss her like crazy and part of it is the sex but not all of it. So make it a priority to see her as much as you can and text her as much as you can but with pleasant, joking, upbeat things. You want your texts to make her smile and to make her miss you and long for the day she sees you again.

You should see my gal when she sees me: a full fledged sprint and jumping into my arms with the brightest smile you have ever seen.

In the beginning, be the entertainer and plan fun things. After a few dates, see what it is like if you just stay in and watch Netflix or something like that. If you can do something that low key and have fun, she is the rarest breed of them all, a low maintenance stunner.

I would also commit just to her if she is up for it maybe not now but soon and do commit to her. You sound like you had the kind of encounter I have all the time. The reason I do not see any other women is they would be a disappointment compared to my gal. Is that not true with yours?

Monogamy for you is a crazy compliment. Let her bring up the financial agreement then if you bring up committing to her. If she does not ask for money, then I would just help her out a little and when she asks. Women do not want to feel like or be treated like working girls especially by guys they like.

I gave my gal $100 once and she asked, "What is that for?" almost offended that I gave it to her. I said, "It is because I care about you and I want you to have money in case of an emergency. " Save your money for spending it on fun activities. I don't like the mall stuff.

All hot chicks I know have apartments cluttered with useless shit and tons of clothes. My gal asks for nothing because she knows that stuff quickly becomes clutter.

Take that notion that she can find richer guys out of your head. She wants you! So give yourself to her and only her. Sure, it will probably wind down in a year or two but enjoy the ride.

Every time I am in a car with my gal for a period of time, she is reaching for my cock. When we rent a car, half the trip she will be blowing me. When we went to the pool and jacuzzi last trip, I knew my gal would fuck me there and she did in the jacuzzi.

Usually the sex with a gal peaks after the second or third visit, with my gal, it has gotten better and better and we are on like five or six months now. She has finally let go of thinking I am going to cheat on her. You might have one of those unicorn types too, but you got to believe you have one and give up the quest of finding better. Chances are the best sex you will have will be the next one and the next one with this gal.

[Steve 9696]

Yeah I'm not exactly new to this. I get that she's going to see people when I'm not there. I would want that for her. What I don't want is for her to get locked up with a big time exclusive SD that takes her off the market. But that's prob unavoidable at some point, because she's had that in the past. Like Melty at Diva in London. She was just soooo great (pro not SB) but then bam her Instagram blows up the next year with yachts and Maseratis and she's shacking up with some old SD dude. Happy for her. But prefer that Kayla not go off the market that way. A vain hope I suppose.

I got that the mall trip was a subtle money ask. I usually ignore those. But she's low maintenance and I sometimes like doing extras for girls I like just because I can. I have I guess about 6 or 7 girls I send birthday money to. I won't miss it. And they can use it. Maybe they buy their boyfriends dinner with it. Doesn't bother me. I still like brightening their day once a year.

And of course I know they only date me with money on the table. That is a given at my age. But yeah I think several actually like me and now the haters will chime in and say no, it's only your money. But what 9 is going to spend 14 hrs on a plane and in airports and 72 hrs with someone they don't like for $1000 that they could make at home by snapping their fingers. (Alexa, Mika) And what 9. 5 is going to fuck you bareback and have non-stop sex w you for two hours when she will make the exact same amount with a condom and a whole lot less fucking and BJ. I'm going to believe the money is incentive but not the whole story and all the realists will never convince me otherwise.

Sorry this came off as super defensive. I know you were just trying to help. Thanks for contributing to the forum.

[Steve 9696]

I have had some long distance arrangement, have one at the moment. I just accept that I am just one SD on her roster.

And my harsh observation is that you were being played for the $100 visit to the mall. Girls drop these hints all the time, "It's my birthday next week", "Tomorrow, I have a party, nothing to wear" , "I'll see my dad but cannot afford to buy him a gift" etc etc That being said I recently sent my LD SB a birthday gift but only as I was expecting to see her the following week. Which travel then got cancelled.

IMO you cannot stop the momentum of all those hits. She's the one that has to choose to stop it. She told you about the shop clerk...did she tell you about the doorman, the cafe guy, the handsome guy on the subway, the co-worker all of us that would also be hitting on THAT girl. She's telling you the story you want and you are hearing the narrative you want.

Ask yourself this. Without money in the game would she be seen with you, is she the same quality of girl your game lands for free?

Yeah I'm not exactly new to this. I get that she's going to see people when I'm not there. I would want that for her. What I don't want is for her to get locked up with a big time exclusive SD that takes her off the market. But that's prob unavoidable at some point, because she's had that in the past. Like Melty at Diva in London. She was just soooo great (pro not SB) but then bam her Instagram blows up the next year with yachts and Maseratis and she's shacking up with some old SD dude. Happy for her. But prefer that Kayla not go off the market that way. A vain hope I suppose.

I got that the mall trip was a subtle money ask. I usually ignore those. But she's low maintenance and I sometimes like doing extras for girls I like just because I can. I have I guess about 6 or 7 girls I send birthday money to. I won't miss it. And they can use it. Maybe they buy their boyfriends dinner with it. Doesn't bother me. I still like brightening their day once a year.

And of course I know they only date me with money on the table. That is a given at my age. But yeah I think several actually like me and now the haters will chime in and say no, it's only your money. But what 9 is going to spend 14 hrs on a plane and in airports and 72 hrs with someone they don't like for $1000 that they could make at home by snapping their fingers. (Alexa, Mika) And what 9. 5 is going to fuck you bareback and have non-stop sex w you for two hours when she will make the exact same amount with a condom and a whole lot less fucking and BJ. I'm going to believe the money is incentive but not the whole story and all the “realists” will never convince me otherwise.

[BrizLad]

Any of you have experience in the long distance game with the hottest girl around? Any other thoughts or tips on keeping her engaged for maximum duration?

I have had some long distance arrangement, have one at the moment. I just accept that I am just one SD on her roster.

And my harsh observation is that you were being played for the $100 visit to the mall. Girls drop these hints all the time, "It's my birthday next week", "Tomorrow, I have a party, nothing to wear" , "I'll see my dad but cannot afford to buy him a gift" etc etc That being said I recently sent my LD SB a birthday gift but only as I was expecting to see her the following week. Which travel then got cancelled.

IMO you cannot stop the momentum of all those hits. She's the one that has to choose to stop it. She told you about the shop clerk...did she tell you about the doorman, the cafe guy, the handsome guy on the subway, the co-worker all of us that would also be hitting on THAT girl. She's telling you the story you want and you are hearing the narrative you want.

Ask yourself this. Without money in the game would she be seen with you, is she the same quality of girl your game lands for free?

[Steve 9696]

So I think Kayla is very likely the prettiest (hopefully) long term SB I've had. I know she's had at least one high end SD in the past (yacht outings Etc) but she's thankfully fairly low maintenance. Nonetheless I am conscious that a girl like that gets hit on constantly and a "better" SB could sweep her away. Especially with me being long distance and fly in. So making hay while the sun shines.

I am very confident in my charm, charisma and text game but there's def guys with more money than me even though I am prob considered rich by many. So like today she said she was going to the mall. So I sent her $100 (which is nothing in the scheme of things) and she was super excited and thankful. Hopefully I earned some brownie points and she bought a sexy outfit that she’s gonna wear when I am there next — so win win. Was glad I did that.

She said the checkout clerk at Macy's asked her out on a date. Yes. She's THAT girl. LOL.

Any of you have experience in the long distance game with the hottest girl around? Any other thoughts or tips on keeping her engaged for maximum duration?

[Steve 9696]

Had a really nice reunion with my latest local girl (post Layla). She's been having a really rough go of it if late and really wanted to see me (me or my money? A bit of both I am sure.) Had some drinks and an app and hit the room.

She's just such a cute goofball (22) so even tho she's fat (yep I can do that if need be so long as I have vitaminV) she's kind a great fun to be with. She's sexy and goofy all in one. Had some great sex including clear invitation to bareback (which I declined as I am barebacking Kayla). But maybe the best part is she just truly seems to like and need me (kinda dad frame).

Couple highlight comments from her:

Did you see my face when I first saw you? Damn I really missed you.

I love that you can fuck for so long.

Just a ball of fun to be with. Nice to have that kind of connection. And def unique to SA.

[Elvis 2008]

Just got back from Medellin after reading 100's of pages on the Colombia forum which helped tremendously. Got to admit after 5 days I was kinda over slinging around prepagos 3 times a day LOL. The last day I was there I met some chick (semi pro?) who hung out all day and we had a blast which led me to stalking your threads about "seeking". Definitely think I like this route / experience better. But I just joined to set some things up for a possible October trip and its ridiculous. I'm getting like 15 messages every day for the last 3 days LOL. It's a lot of work weeding through tons of hot chicks LOL. But definitely think I already got a couple nailed down for the next trip that seem cool. 8/9/10's half of which seem to not even want money but just want to be wined and dined. So far this seems to be a good investment.

I am glad though but do not get too distracted. I eventually had 130 phone numbers from women all over the country. I was really excited about a few. I did two repeats in Bogota and they were both great. The contacts I was most looking forward to seeing there all went dark. I hooked up with one new one and she was awful. One of the girls I repeated with is my now GF so that made Bogota a success.

Medellin was better. I eventually met two of the dozens I had rated in my top group. In Cali, I met two of the ten I had highly rated as well.

Thing is I spent days getting my list of chicks rated and organized, and it was a waste of time. I wish I would have waited until a week before my trip and then started getting numbers. I was just so excited, and it was fun talking to the women and imagining how many women I was going to bang.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Hey,

I'm new to this but what I don't get is there some secret way to filter profiles? There are just so many options with often unclear photos that could go either way. Or do you really just have to gamble?

[TheBMan]

They are taking it off September 1: https://www.androidauthority.com/sug...-apps-2020846/.

Just got back from Medellin after reading 100's of pages on the Colombia forum which helped tremendously. Got to admit after 5 days I was kinda over slinging around prepagos 3 times a day LOL. The last day I was there I met some chick (semi pro?) who hung out all day and we had a blast which led me to stalking your threads about "seeking". Definitely think I like this route / experience better. But I just joined to set some things up for a possible October trip and its ridiculous. I'm getting like 15 messages every day for the last 3 days LOL. It's a lot of work weeding through tons of hot chicks LOL. But definitely think I already got a couple nailed down for the next trip that seem cool. 8/9/10's half of which seem to not even want money but just want to be wined and dined. So far this seems to be a good investment.

[Akibono]

After an embargo, I am getting back a flurry of responses. Like Steve says feast or famine. It changes so quickly.

[Midwestern]

Yeah, my favorite is sticking it in, and then doing DFK for several hours. I can do this for a few hours especially if I am drunk and I am with strange. I sometimes do not even cum and I do not care. I can masturbate and cum whenever I want, but I cannot put my dick inside a new hottie and DFK her whenever I want, and so when I finally get it, I try to make it last for several hours. I bet it's good cardio too.