Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

So I have executed the Hotwire "get the exact hotel at steep discount" scheme several times since I mentioned in this thread. And when you book on Hotwire (other sites too I am sure) they only ask name and email and phone. All of which are Ok.

But when you checkin the hotel clerk ask for ID and start keying in your address! Fuck no I don't want that in there. Like they might send a survey or something. I've asked them to not put it in but that's a bit awkward and they usually insist.

Instead what I do now is when they start to key in my DL address I say "oh I don't live there anymore" and they ask my current address. Which of course you can just make up. This seems an easy way to get around this. Hope this tip helps.

[Gunners1]

She doesn't know my real name and she doesn't know my real phone number.

It's a long story. I sent her cv to a friend of mine and he sent it to the HR dept. So during the interview she was never asked if she knew me, because the HR guy doesn't know me.

Yes, I should have wined and dines, but with the pics, videos and texts she was exchanging, it looks like it was all set for the return favor.

Anyway. We learn.

G.

Hey Gunners, I am confused. You helped her get a job before you had any intimate time with her? So, your MO was to help her, and then expect her to show her appreciation in bed? Man, that's a risky play. My guess is that she knows your real name now too. Correct? You going to be okay with this?

In any event, sorry it did not go as planned. Weird that she was willing to spend the night with you in a hotel room. Maybe you could have wined and dined her and that may have led to some night fun? But cutting bait early is also a smart play.

[Steve 9696]

This is awesome! I know it's confusing in these situations and you always want to protect urself. But she is not playing the long game as In trying to fleece you. She may be playing the long game that she hopes to marry you. At least thats what I think. Course I was fleeced once. LOL.

A few reasons I don't think she's trying to scam you in some long con. Three hours of fucking is excessive especially when she could actually lose her job over it. The lipstick thing. Look pros are really sensitive to "blowing it" because they've dealt with this situation a lot and she is not. Of course she doesn't think you are married either. Surely the desk guys saw the lipstick tho and didn't care. LOL. Watch for makeup and perfume too. You know this but sometimes we get so good at the game we get sloppy.

Most importantly don't overdo the cash. Paying her apt is plenty. Don't make her feel like a ho. Because that could kill the whole thing.

Congrats dude. You pushed the boundaries and they gave way. Enjoy it.

[Midwestern]

I saw her again today. At the MP. We just started barebacking almost immediately. And we went at it for 3 hours! Multiple positions, several times each. She shags superbly, especially when she is on top. She just did not want to stop. Kept begging me to keep going. She kept saying that she loved me, that she wants to be my girlfriend, that she wants to be my wife, etc. Passionate GFE and DFK.

Guys, this simply does not happen. And so, I am just dumbfounded.

Anyway, eventually, I had to go. I again offered a tip, but she just looked at it with disdain and did not want to take it. This time, I insisted. I said that as her boyfriend, I should take care of her.

I also ended up paying for three one-hour massages. The two guys at the front desk were also dumbfounded when I paid. After all, who the hell goes into a happy ending MP before 1 pm and comes out after 4 pm?

Anyway, she started looking around for apartments. I will pay her rent. That's the plan for now. Not sure if she expects a monthly allowance. Maybe she is eyeing the long game. But I cannot even speak Chinese, so not sure why she thinks the long game is doable.

Before I left, she asked if we could go bar hopping sometime. Maybe she is really into me. She also asked about my sleeping situation, to confirm that I sleep alone.

I asked her if she has kids and I asked her age. She just kept changing the topic or made jokes. She could have easily lied about both, but decided to just dodge the questions. Maybe this is a good sign.

By the way, an hour later, I looked at myself in the bathroom and to my shock and horror, my mouth was covered in lipstick!! OMG, I wonder how many people saw that? Man, I need to be more careful (says the guy who barebacks women that work in HJ MPs).

Just following up on my last post. I still cannot believe I had two hours of passionate sex in an MP. And it was bareback (yeah, I know that part was stupid). This never happens.

We kept texting yesterday, and she started asking me all kinds of questions, like how long I plan to stay in China, and about my family situation. She then asked me to set her up with a boyfriend, and I said that I wanted to be her boyfriend, and then she said I'm married, and then I said that I wasn't (yeah, I know this was stupid too).

Her story is that she just arrived to Shanghai. And so this probably explains why she was puzzled that I offered her a tip, because she's not aware that foreigners tip at these places, especially after what we just did. She also recently broke up with her boyfriend before she moved to Shanghai, and so maybe she's both horny and lonely. And she said she was thinking about leaving Shanghai because she was homesick.

She lives in a dorm with 5 roommates. I told her to get an appointment and I'll pay for it. She said it'll coast $450-$600 per month, and I said that's fine. So she said she'the look around, but she didn't seem gun-ho about it. Maybe she knows our initial attraction is all temporary.

Anyway, I'm just dumbfounded. Just cannot believe how fast and easy this is all happening. So, I know it's too good to be true. But I'm really hoping I can SB her. The sex was amazing, as if it was with a real GF and as if she was genuinely crazy about me.

Is she playing me? Probably. But it's not like I'm going to marry her. We will see where this goes. But it was great to break my four month dry spell. I plan on seeing her again later this week.

[Midwestern]

Congrats, man. Happy for you!

Very timely. Saw My girl from Sunday who I surprised with the hotel and eeked out a blowjob. We met again and did dinner and hotel and are officially on now. Solid BJ, sex in multiple positions, her def getting off a couple times. Two solid rounds. She's fun because she's just young and free and very transparent. Been with five guys lifetime. I think she's surprised by my old guy sex stamina and equally surprised that I can go two rounds.

Round two was kinda fun because it was seduction and challenge. She said I'the never cum a second time. I kept her on BJ and got her to do doe eyes etc. She would stop and say I'm not going to cum. And I'the say yes I am. Just a bit more. And she was probably down there off and on for twenty minutes where upon I built to a nice shot on my tummy. She was surprised.

The other fun thing is she's never let a guy cum in her mouth. Almost did it today but she's going to save it for next time. It's just kinda fun to be the guy bringing her out of her sexual shell a bit. I truly think she enjoys the company of an older experienced man and we are going to have a lot more fun together.

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[Midwestern]

Hey Gunners, I am confused. You helped her get a job before you had any intimate time with her? So, your MO was to help her, and then expect her to show her appreciation in bed? Man, that's a risky play. My guess is that she knows your real name now too. Correct? You going to be okay with this?

In any event, sorry it did not go as planned. Weird that she was willing to spend the night with you in a hotel room. Maybe you could have wined and dined her and that may have led to some night fun? But cutting bait early is also a smart play.

Remember I had posted recently about my lists and sough help in ending my long relationship with a SB.

Well on my list was a super super hot 22 y Colombian lawyer. I got her a pretty decent job and helped her out to settle into the new city.

I made a mistake on not pre agreeing the arrangement. And she was flirty and talking with me till she got all her things sorted.

We were to meet for a few hours and she also suggested to book a room for the night. She brought all her lingerie and bikini to hang out by the pool. I got in the hotel after work as she checked in before me and sent me hot videos and pics of her in the room waiting.

Once I reached. And I showered and got under the sheets, she was like. What. " are you planning on making love with me? This is not what she had in mind.

It all crumbled and I just checked out of the room and called it a hopeless case of being used.

These things do happen. I have to move on.

Just wanted to let you guys know.

G.

[Gunners1]

Remember I had posted recently about my lists and sough help in ending my long relationship with a SB.

Well on my list was a super super hot 22 y Colombian lawyer. I got her a pretty decent job and helped her out to settle into the new city.

I made a mistake on not pre agreeing the arrangement. And she was flirty and talking with me till she got all her things sorted.

We were to meet for a few hours and she also suggested to book a room for the night. She brought all her lingerie and bikini to hang out by the pool. I got in the hotel after work as she checked in before me and sent me hot videos and pics of her in the room waiting.

Once I reached. And I showered and got under the sheets, she was like. What. " are you planning on making love with me? This is not what she had in mind.

It all crumbled and I just checked out of the room and called it a hopeless case of being used.

These things do happen. I have to move on.

Just wanted to let you guys know.

G.

[Steve 9696]

Yes, I see Payforit replied to me in the Madrid forum. Thank you Steve, and looking forward to reading more about your latest conquest!

Very timely. Saw My girl from Sunday who I surprised with the hotel and eeked out a blowjob. We met again and did dinner and hotel and are officially on now. Solid BJ, sex in multiple positions, her def getting off a couple times. Two solid rounds. She's fun because she's just young and free and very transparent. Been with five guys lifetime. I think she's surprised by my old guy sex stamina and equally surprised that I can go two rounds.

Round two was kinda fun because it was seduction and challenge. She said I'the never cum a second time. I kept her on BJ and got her to do doe eyes etc. She would stop and say I'm not going to cum. And I'the say yes I am. Just a bit more. And she was probably down there off and on for twenty minutes where upon I built to a nice shot on my tummy. She was surprised.

The other fun thing is she's never let a guy cum in her mouth. Almost did it today but she's going to save it for next time. It's just kinda fun to be the guy bringing her out of her sexual shell a bit. I truly think she enjoys the company of an older experienced man and we are going to have a lot more fun together.

[Elvis 2008]

Wow. I almost totally stuck my big old man foot in my new SB relationship!

It's two diffferent generations talking here!

You should try Spanish to English. I was with a former gal and was buying her canned food in a store and the food was marked in English. We came across canned crab and I told her to buy some. When she asked what is was, I spoke into my phone the phrase a can of crab and the translation came up una lata de mierda. I am not sure if the translation was totally wrong; crab is good shit after all.

[Steve 9696]

Wow. I almost totally stuck my big old man foot in my new SB relationship!

We are supposed to meet up and as you know I don't know that she is comfortable with the whole idea.

She texts me and says "I can't believe I'm calling out so we can have fun. Feel kinda guilty. ".

And me knowing the words "out call" and knowing she is a bit uncomfortable almost launch into the "it's not really sex for money" logic — not in so many words but you know.

Well fortunately I looked up "calling out" as a slang and it said it was a phrase for skipping work!

Só she was saying she feels guilty for skipping work to have sex with me. LOL. Ok babe. Get that. Damn glad I didn't step in it! Good reminder that we have to watch these text interactions very carefully. It's two diffferent generations talking here!

[Midwestern]

Your post a couple of days back was awesome. And yeah, I like the texting. Even when it's with a WG, I love it when we text regularly. To me, the texting makes it feel like they either really like me, or they are good at faking it, and I'm fine either way. But this is why I seek SBs.

So I guess you saw my post a couple days back on the new girl, where we went to the hotel and she balked but was super sweet and we worked it out with a BJ for the first date. Well we are on for our next date and that should seal the deal.

But what is great is she's playing the girlfriend game so well. Every morning since we met she says good morning and wishes me a great day. Or at night we chat about how the day was. I just love this part of feeling cared for.

Anyone else like just having a girlfriend with light text affection like this?

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[Midwestern]

Just following up on my last post. I still cannot believe I had two hours of passionate sex in an MP. And it was bareback (yeah, I know that part was stupid). This never happens.

We kept texting yesterday, and she started asking me all kinds of questions, like how long I plan to stay in China, and about my family situation. She then asked me to set her up with a boyfriend, and I said that I wanted to be her boyfriend, and then she said I'm married, and then I said that I wasn't (yeah, I know this was stupid too).

Her story is that she just arrived to Shanghai. And so this probably explains why she was puzzled that I offered her a tip, because she's not aware that foreigners tip at these places, especially after what we just did. She also recently broke up with her boyfriend before she moved to Shanghai, and so maybe she's both horny and lonely. And she said she was thinking about leaving Shanghai because she was homesick.

She lives in a dorm with 5 roommates. I told her to get an appointment and I'll pay for it. She said it'll coast $450-$600 per month, and I said that's fine. So she said she'the look around, but she didn't seem gun-ho about it. Maybe she knows our initial attraction is all temporary.

Anyway, I'm just dumbfounded. Just cannot believe how fast and easy this is all happening. So, I know it's too good to be true. But I'm really hoping I can SB her. The sex was amazing, as if it was with a real GF and as if she was genuinely crazy about me.

Is she playing me? Probably. But it's not like I'm going to marry her. We will see where this goes. But it was great to break my four month dry spell. I plan on seeing her again later this week.

[SfoCowboy]

Pearls of wisdom.

Nope, it cannot be true. You are too old. Women only want to fuck the young good looking types and she only wants you for your money. The fact that you have not paid her means nothing. She is clearly playing the long game.

Oh, please, she is a working girl, and you are too nave to see it.

Sorry, I had to get all that bullshit spewed at me out of my system. I have heard that BS for my encounters that are similar to yours, MW.

This kind of encounter has happened to me at least a dozen times. I had these stunning women not ask for anything, tell me how great a lover I was and I did not believe them. I was so conditioned in being a john and believing that women wanted the young studs and my money, and I was not secure. I had to not just believe I was a good lover, had to believe that I was not like the young ones who cum in 2 minutes, have no money, and are boring, insensitive, and insecure as shit. I had to not just know it but really feel it was true, and that took time. I have so much more to offer a woman now than I did 20 years ago, and I have grown so much as a person. I am not the type you show off to your girlfriends but I would want me as a boyfriend.

Mr. E, a poster on here, has the simplest definition of what a working girl is. He gives money to working girls and he does not to women who are not working girls. If you give her no money, she is not a working girl. Period.

One of the things I learned from my SBs is all these hot women with their supposedly glamourous lives and thousands of Instagram followers have close to zero in the bank which means we have a lot more power and control then we think. The thing about looks or money or whatever has to do with the attractant phase of a relationship. That matters only until you have sex. One thing in the manosphere that they are constantly bringing up is that 80% of women click on 20% of men and are constantly looking to trade up, and that is true in the attractant phase, but you are past that.

If women are content where they are, I do not see them looking to swing up. You are in the maintenance phase already and this is where the second study came in about what women valued in a relationship: 1. Kindness then 2. Support then 3. Intelligence. I think #4 is fun / having a sense of humor, but that was not in the poll. And very few people talk about the maintenance phase. It is all about the attractant phase.

I have a female friend who is so hot that she could get any guy for a night. When I asked if she could date a rich guys, she said she could but then she said, "I do not date rich guys. Rich guys are assholes. " Ever hear that from a woman before?

And I had a sugar baby I was dating back in the Dallas area for years. She was SI swim suit model material, and she started dating a guy who was so handsome he had fucked 3 of the top 10 best looking women in Dallas listed in what is called the magazine. Now I am married and fucking her as my SB all this time, so I do not care about the BF, but I got a front row seat on their relationship. She told me one time he picked her up in a Ferrari, and they got out, and everyone stared, and she loved that. That was the good part.

In addition to being an Adonis, he was really smart, talented, and unprincipled as fuck. He ripped off a bunch of people and went to prison. She married him so she could stay in touch. When in prison, he was selling nudes of her, and she got people telling her what went on when they were together. It turns out he was fucking other women the whole time as she worried constantly that was going on and had to do all she could to keep other women at bay. She got the marriage annulled and finally said to me, "I will never go out with a man who is better looking than me. " Ever hear that before from a woman?

IMO MW, guys who are good at the attractant phase but horrible at the maintenance phase are always trying to put the guys not good at the attractant phase down. They want to shake your confidence. Do not let them do it. Have your fun, MW. For you, the hard part is over with and let the good times roll.

[Steve 9696]

So I guess you saw my post a couple days back on the new girl, where we went to the hotel and she balked but was super sweet and we worked it out with a BJ for the first date. Well we are on for our next date and that should seal the deal.

But what is great is she's playing the girlfriend game so well. Every morning since we met she says good morning and wishes me a great day. Or at night we chat about how the day was. I just love this part of feeling cared for.

Anyone else like just having a girlfriend with light text affection like this?

[WyattEarp]

I've been texting her ever since. We keep telling each other how crazy we are about each other. I asked her if she has sex with other customers, and she swears that she does not, and that no one is allowed to, and that it is illegal. She says that she is crazy about me.

What do you guys think? I know this is off topic, but if this is the real deal, then I will make her my SB, and so it is kind of on topic.

Sounds like making her a SB would be a fine thing. Perhaps you can have a nice, long-term SD / SB relationship. I'm sure you will keep in mind that you still met in a commercial arrangement. If not for intercourse for touchy-feely.