Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Where are the best spots in Asia for seeking? I am going to leave soon for a 2 month trip. I plan on backpacking around and I want to bang as many girls as possible. I am planning on going to your typical Bangkok and Pattaya but I am wondering if there are good cities in Asia for seeking similar to Medellin and CDMX. Or maybe its just bar girls / tinder? I am not sure.

I tend to find that cities with strong semi-legal paid sex scenes are not the best for Seeking. In other words in Bangkok and Pattaya you are prob better off with the gogos and bar girls. And it's soo fun. You can have dinner and go to the hotel pretty much anywhere in the world. But not so many places have gogo girls in stripper heels with a number pinned to their chest and you point and shoot. So when in Bangkok do Bangkok is my advice.

But if you find urself in a larger city where it's tough for a white dude to crack the paid sex nut I would think Seeking would be good. So I would guess Seoul and Taipei for example have strong Seeking presence. (Speculation based on other parts of the world). But there are exceptions. Like Madrid has great sex scene and great seeking.

[ILolatu69]

Has anybody used SA in Argentina?

[Clone8884]

Where are the best spots in Asia for seeking? I am going to leave soon for a 2 month trip. I plan on backpacking around and I want to bang as many girls as possible. I am planning on going to your typical Bangkok and Pattaya but I am wondering if there are good cities in Asia for seeking similar to Medellin and CDMX. Or maybe its just bar girls / tinder? I am not sure.

[Nounce]

...The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good,....

It depends but what I know about is that it can happen very quickly in the first few weeks. Especially when she is new and popular, then the girl is more likely to crash and burn that goes from great review to starfish. When she is new and popular, she is going to get booked full everyday and she may not be able to take it and eventually totally gives up. She can't get out because she may owe debt to people who pay and organize her travel and lodging expenses.

In the same context, if the girl is able to survive. Once she pays the debt and fulfills her 1 year contract, she would be able to become independent and many can make more money and choose to stay in the business and still have a healthy life style.

My friend bailed out a proustite and gave her enough money so she is set for life. My friend did it for free. He does not even want to visit the girl and expecting nothing in return because that is how I would do it and he knows. I told this event in more detail somewhere else here.

[Elvis 2008]

Someone linked a blog entry in the Bogota forum about a guy playing the role of Captain savaho, https://inlovelyblue.com/dating-a-ve...nta-fe-bogota/.

I mentioned that the woman was certain to be a lousy long term partner being an escort and being Venezuelan where anyone who thought long term in that country got burned.

In the blog post, there was this, The Uber arrived at her 'home' and she typed a message on my phones translator before quickly trying to get it back and delete the message, so I couldn't read it. It was asking for money because she hadn't worked that day and she sends her earnings home to Venezuela, for her family. It was pocket change to me and I chased her as she leapt out of the Uber to gladly give it to her.

I also made the comment that this woman was not looking at this guy as an ATM, and he made a big mistake volunteering to be one. I thought his chance of success was poor. Johnniecash had this response.

but I know some that do think long term, even the street hookers, eg they are regularly exchanging up money to usd and saving that up to buy a house in Venezuela, or another that has a child and invests in his education, taking him up to various extra classes etc. Some, as they approach their 30's and see reduced income enroll in classes then, to try be veterinarians, nurses etc.

Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right? I had been in the sugar game a long time, and in the forums everywhere, you will see guys say that turning a stripper / hooker into a long term sugar baby let alone a GF is a losing proposition. Getting them gifts, like this guy did, will not be appreciated unlike with real sugar babies or a GF.

The one successful hooker I knew personally who got out of the biz and ran her own business really was not independent. She had a sugar daddy on the side.

Thing is when I mentioned looking for long term, I was actually thinking this gal was a bad long term partner more because she was Venezuelan than a hooker. The hooker part for me was a given, but your post made me want to look more into the why hookers are bad long term partners.

There was a fascinating video on youtube of a guy who ran a brothel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM.

I found the guy to be honest, logical, and a straight shooter. He only hired woman new to the business and only kept them in the business for a year. In his book, he described successful hookers who were millionaires but were so addicted to money they could not leave the business even in their 50's.

Then there was this from a woman who really was a hooker. Granted, she had an agenda. https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-...x-it-is-simple.

Prostitution is not sex and it's not work. Its reality is far from complex in fact, it's simple. Trust me, I've done it. The truth is, there was no 'work' involved in what was done to us in prostitution. Prostitution is neither sex nor work.

During my last 10 years campaigning, I have sometimes been asked by women what prostitution 'feels like'. I hit on a way of explaining this some years ago, and have repeated it a few times since. I invite them, the next time they are in a caf or a bar, to take a look around at the male patrons. Old, young, fat, thin, tall, short, handsome, ugly, beautiful, repulsive and imagine that they are obliged to have sex with them. All of them. The women's faces turn to horror because they don't need to imagine; they know full well that they'd have no interest in sleeping with whoever happens to walk through the door. At the most basic level, having our personal space breached by a stranger causes a stress reaction. Sex does not just involve mutuality; it necessitates it. The sex of prostitution is devoid of mutuality, and cash is introduced to fill the breach.

The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good, you can still reverse the damage, however, you run the risk of irreversible psychological damage if you stayed in this business longer than one year. Making big money is addicting, you do not want to fall into the trap of getting used to making this type of money.

I had never thought of a hooker as damaged goods. That sounds a little judgmental to me, but I found it interesting that both of these two people mentioned it.

I wish I could I say that I went the sugar route because I was concerned for the damage being done to women. There were two main drivers for me. The first and morally worse reason was the sex was better. The other was the feeling of emptiness after paying the hooker and having her leave. Even the rare times when you had this passionate intimate experience, it was like the women put back up this wall and said this was all about the money. I did not feel that emptiness with a sugar baby. With sugar babies, the women were in no hurry to leave, and I did not want them to go.

People make fun of sugaring versus seeing a hooker. They say it is the same thing, sex for money, but I knew it was different. That mutuality the former hooker talks about is intact in a sugar relationship whereas it is not with hookers. I read in a different book that women who are mistresses of married men look for the same qualities in the married man that they do in a partner. So while there is sex for money, like sugaring, it is not all sex for money, and that prevents or more likely lessens the damage.

Anyway, Johnnie, thanks for the post. It made me think, and I wanted clarity on this subject.

[FilthyBeaver]

There is chemistry & game involved. I don't know how else to put it. You take a shot in the dark, you have a chat, and if that chat grows into something more interesting you've sunk the hook. It's a complete mystery and wonder of life. I've had the chemistry with girls that don't speak a word of English (and I don't speak their language either, thank you google) and I've had it with girls that I wouldn't, in my wildest dreams, would have thought they'd ever be interested; money involved or not. If they're interested they'll come to you and let you know it.

Frankly the ones that casually log on and don't check their messages daily are the ones I'm after so it also takes patience. Now that I think about it, that's probably why this site works for many of us. We've traded youth and impatience for experience, money and patience. Not sure it's an even trade but it's not like we had much of a choice either.

Also based in a Northern Uni town, and whilst on paper and in theory, the situation you describe should exist, and it should be a land of milk and honey, that has not been my experience, for me at least.

Most active profiles I see here are older pro types and single "council estate" mums. The girl next door, student types seem to not log on very often, and almost always have delusional expectations of 'online' relationships and sending nudes for cash. I have had plenty of successful experiences on Seeking in other countries, but that has been my experience in trying with the student types in northern towns. I do think it's also down to a more puritanical view of sex for money in the UK, as compared to Latinas or Eastern Europeans.

The other methods you describe sound quite interesting, however I do feel like in a society like the UK, things can go a bit awry and one can be exposed as a very creepy type at the least, and much worse, as compared to Seeking where it's a proper platform for such and girls on there know what they're signing up for in a sense.

Just my thoughts, but curious to hear some discussion and feedback on this.

With the few experiences that I have had though, British SB's in the northern towns seem way too casual about barebacking, condom usage doesn't seem to exist, which puts me off a bit and makes me suss the girl out more before proceeding.

[Jbob084]

Hi everyone!

I am a long time lurker but wanted to share some info about sugar scene in North West UK, and hope it can be helpful to someone!

I currently live and work in Manchester area, and the SA scene here is still affordable and feels very GFEy. If you ever come to UK, ignore London area and move up North. I believe you can have a much nicer experience than sticking to London with its crazy prices.

You can take the late night bus (National Express, Megabus, FlixBus) from London Victoria station for around 35 (return ticket) and in 5 hours you will be in Manchester or Liverpool. You can also take the train (trainpal or trainline are good apps to scout for better prices) from London King's Cross or London Euston for around 80 (return ticket). That will take 2 hours to arrive.

There are numerous universities in this area with fresh first-year students struggling to make ends meet. The costs of living in UK is sky-rocketing, and you can ppm an amazing young British girl for around 150 to 180 in Liverpool, Manchester, Preston, or Blackburn. The thing is, it will not stop there, in even norther cities such as Leeds and York you will find even more fresh students waiting to be lucky and find an arrangement. If you are into quality young white "western"-type girls and have a bit of patience, North of UK is a bargain.

They will usually quote you around 200 per meet, but will honestly not turn down your offer if you are here, serious, and can invite them to a nice dinner tomorrow evening. Before pandemic, you could find SBs for around 130 per meet, but I think 150 is now the minimum.

Beside SA, there are other venues where you can meet British SBs in northern areas. Search for an iPhone / android "language app" (for example hellotalk, but there are many) where you can sign up to learn languages. Many young girls on those apps are "looking for friends" type and open to meetups and dates. Message them, if you feel there is a vibe, move them to WhatsApp / Messenger.

Overall I think it's worth the experience if you are here and looking for young GF type girls. Just don't waste your time and money in London.

Also based in a Northern Uni town, and whilst on paper and in theory, the situation you describe should exist, and it should be a land of milk and honey, that has not been my experience, for me at least.

Most active profiles I see here are older pro types and single "council estate" mums. The girl next door, student types seem to not log on very often, and almost always have delusional expectations of 'online' relationships and sending nudes for cash. I have had plenty of successful experiences on Seeking in other countries, but that has been my experience in trying with the student types in northern towns. I do think it's also down to a more puritanical view of sex for money in the UK, as compared to Latinas or Eastern Europeans.

The other methods you describe sound quite interesting, however I do feel like in a society like the UK, things can go a bit awry and one can be exposed as a very creepy type at the least, and much worse, as compared to Seeking where it's a proper platform for such and girls on there know what they're signing up for in a sense.

Just my thoughts, but curious to hear some discussion and feedback on this.

With the few experiences that I have had though, British SB's in the northern towns seem way too casual about barebacking, condom usage doesn't seem to exist, which puts me off a bit and makes me suss the girl out more before proceeding.

[FilthyBeaver]

I've found some of the best girls snipe, they don't want their faces seen, don't want a profile any jerk can see so they make their profiles unreachable and find me if my profile piques their interest, I do write more than most and I've gotten a lot of positive feedback in the past from it. We've had the discussion about showing pics. I don't have an issue, especially in a foreign country so you need the set the bait and see what happens. My search criteria isn't quite as narrow as yours but I'm guessing results are about the same because I definitely take race, smoking, & other stuff into account.

Still working on my gold bikini club account in poland and it's turned into a bit of a sociological experiment but the data will be applicable to this site too. I used to think I was obsessed with how sex is sold all over the world but I think I've evolved into a bit of a sociologist obsessed with the sexual motivations of girls younger than 30.

Based on what I'm saying, it's probably not a place I would look at. Let me explain why. But I totally respect that you're having a great experience there.

The way I suss out a city is I go into the seeking app, set my target age range (18-21) , set the number of profiles per page to 60, and then I see how many pages are filled up by people who have visited in the last couple of days. In other words, not old profiles, or inactive ones.

When you do this in London, you get at least a couple of pages. Meaning, there is a high concentration of sugar.

I just tried this for Manchester. Not even a half page. Meaning you've got to go older or less selective to get enough girls actually on the app to find someone. When I've done cities like this, I find that I have to gradually loosen my criteria to get enough responses to have something to work with. It's not super fun that way. For me at least.

[Toni36]

Based on what I'm saying, it's probably not a place I would look at. Let me explain why. But I totally respect that you're having a great experience there.

The way I suss out a city is I go into the seeking app, set my target age range (18-21) , set the number of profiles per page to 60, and then I see how many pages are filled up by people who have visited in the last couple of days. In other words, not old profiles, or inactive ones.

When you do this in London, you get at least a couple of pages. Meaning, there is a high concentration of sugar.

I just tried this for Manchester. Not even a half page. Meaning you've got to go older or less selective to get enough girls actually on the app to find someone. When I've done cities like this, I find that I have to gradually loosen my criteria to get enough responses to have something to work with. It's not super fun that way. For me at least.

What "distance" have you chosen for your search criteria? If I set the distance to 70 km, which will cover Manchester, Liverpool, and surroundings, I get 3 pages of girls logging into the site in the last couple of days.

But I agree that this is not comparable with London specially with the colder weather. The other thing is that SA is not the only venue for meeting university girls. I mentioned a couple of other ways to meet these girls which also wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea.

[Toni36]

Probably one of the most useful posts I've seen here in a while. You've just inspired me to head to NW England! Nothing sexier than an English accent. Attached to a 20 yr old college girl that gives my slav fetish a serious run for my money.

I am humbled by your nice words. Agreed on the sexiness of a short British girl's accent! There are a lot of pro and semi-pro girls on SA, but if you filter on young girls with no makeup and with amateurish photos, there is still a big selection available.

I mentioned the language apps where you can find POT SBs. There are also other apps where it is possible to hunt for fresh girls. Install a 2nd-hand clothes & fashion app like Depop, Vinted, or Poshmark. Girls sell their old clothes on those apps. Many girls mention "open to decent offers" in their bio. You can't offer these girls straight-up money for sex and need to employ some level of game / rapport. But many of them are very open to an arrangement. I invited a Newcastle girl from one of those apps to dinner to talk about "investing in her business" and it didn't take more than a couple of dates before she wanted to come back to my hotel room. As long as one is not creepy and the communication happens outside the platform on WhatsApp / Messenger / text, there is so much to hunt for.

Also University of Manchester offers (paid) evening courses for general public. Once enrolled, you are entitled to a student card which will open a whole new world to you full of fresh students. You can access university libraries and restaurants / bars. Again some small level of game is required here, but as long as one is not a creep, it's possible to meet young girls.

I think this formula might work from anywhere. Find a desolated town with university presence, and parachute yourself there!

[AmericanPi]

Based on what I'm saying, it's probably not a place I would look at. Let me explain why. But I totally respect that you're having a great experience there.

The way I suss out a city is I go into the seeking app, set my target age range (18-21) , set the number of profiles per page to 60, and then I see how many pages are filled up by people who have visited in the last couple of days. In other words, not old profiles, or inactive ones.

When you do this in London, you get at least a couple of pages. Meaning, there is a high concentration of sugar.

I just tried this for Manchester. Not even a half page. Meaning you've got to go older or less selective to get enough girls actually on the app to find someone. When I've done cities like this, I find that I have to gradually loosen my criteria to get enough responses to have something to work with. It's not super fun that way. For me at least.

Hi everyone!

I am a long time lurker but wanted to share some info about sugar scene in North West UK, and hope it can be helpful to someone!

I currently live and work in Manchester area, and the SA scene here is still affordable and feels very GFEy. If you ever come to UK, ignore London area and move up North. I believe you can have a much nicer experience than sticking to London with its crazy prices.

You can take the late night bus (National Express, Megabus, FlixBus) from London Victoria station for around 35 (return ticket) and in 5 hours you will be in Manchester or Liverpool. You can also take the train (trainpal or trainline are good apps to scout for better prices) from London King's Cross or London Euston for around 80 (return ticket). That will take 2 hours to arrive..

[Toni36]

Thanks. And thanks to the other lurkers now posting. This is valuable stuff. I am often in northern England and never saw anything satisfactory as far as escorts and wondered if SA was a good play. And voila. Now i know. Thanks!

Hi Steve! Glad this was useful to you and yep definitely try the north west UK. I also had success finding student-type girls with sugardaddymeet (SDM) app. There are both girls that quote you a number and a lot of new girls who will not directly bring up the money subject, although they are sure there will be sex and they will be paid.

Most rich British daddies are concentrated around London, which makes this area really untapped. But as you always mention, it is like a relationship, albeit a sugary one. The more you treat a SB with respect and friendliness, the sweeter the experience will be.

[FilthyBeaver]

Probably one of the most useful posts I've seen here in a while. You've just inspired me to head to NW England! Nothing sexier than an English accent. Attached to a 20 yr old college girl that gives my slav fetish a serious run for my money.

Thanks. And thanks to the other lurkers now posting. This is valuable stuff. I am often in northern England and never saw anything satisfactory as far as escorts and wondered if SA was a good play. And voila. Now i know. Thanks!

[Steve 9696]

I hear your reasoning. Makes sense from a certain PoV.

Here is a different PoV.

The whole sharing more is ok has a premise that these girls are "tradeable" and / or are in a business looking for more customers.

What if I feel like she is my friend (albeit in a fantasy world where I take break from my real world)? The moment I have a GFE experience, and the girl is non-transactional, I have a certain relation with her which I cherish and keep intact. I can't share my "friends". No?

Likewise, if she is a non-transactional lady, she is not looking for more "customers". So, she may not apprciate me sharing her details. No?

I will definitely not share my top 3 who are creme-de-la-creme. They are my friends with whom I happen to have sex. That equation is not up for trade.

There are these mid-range, on the fringe girls who are really nice to me but I am giving it time to see if they go on to become friends. So, I am on the fence.

Then, there are these golden / platinum pussies who I will never ever meet again and / or want to do anything with them. I don't want to be "transactional" doing tit for tat but I will not be against sharing them like poker chips. But, I don't think that share is going to help anyone in this forum because those are what I call "bad experiences" and I don't want to pass it to you guys.

TL: DR: sharing or not is a personal perspective. I have shared some to some of you who have reached out on I'm. I understand some of them were struggling to break in. I empathize with that because I went through the exact same. Seniors like Steve and Midwestern helped me providing do's and don'ts but we never asked for / gave girls. They taught me to fish rather than give me A fish. To me, that is much worthier than contacts.

Yeah this is definitely the page I am on. Any girl I really click with on SA becomes a personal relationship. All the doubters will now flame me, but they will be wrong when I say — we actually like each other! Others like GFE Fan and clearly Filthy Beaver after recent post know that it's true. You have a relationship. Yea it's non traditional but it's a form of a relationship and in some ways better than a real girlfriend.

Now Shayla is unusual having been together so long and I am not talking about that level generally. But even Shayla completely understands her role. The other night she was not feeling well. Sort of a headache earache thing. And yet she gave me the most amazing 20 minute BJ prior to some epic sex and CIP. And I know 100% if we had a true GF relationship she woulda said "not tonight honey". But she didn't. She knows the deal. And so this relationship is as I say honestly BETTER than a GF.

Back to sharing contacts which I am not generally fond of for the reasons above. On the one occasion I steered a friend in the right direction to find a favorite girl (did not give her info just some general guidance how to find her.) I wish I hadn't. It kinda hurt knowing he had her the same way as me and pics of them together. Now it's not this way wih pros. Just found out BlueMoon fucked the same hottie as me at Mystic FKK. No big deal. It's different with an SA girl that you connect with tho because it's more than sex.

At least for me.

[FilthyBeaver]

I'd never provide details of a girl to anyone for anything. If she's looking she'll find what she wants. She doesn't need or want my help. IMO trading info is really disrespectful unless they ask me to and that conversation has never occurred, ever. The simple fact of the matter is they have tons of options and me handing their info to some anonymous person on the web is beyond sleezy. Kick away soapbox.

I hear your reasoning. Makes sense from a certain PoV.

Here is a different PoV.

The whole sharing more is ok has a premise that these girls are "tradeable" and / or are in a business looking for more customers.

What if I feel like she is my friend (albeit in a fantasy world where I take break from my real world)? The moment I have a GFE experience, and the girl is non-transactional, I have a certain relation with her which I cherish and keep intact. I can't share my "friends". No?

Likewise, if she is a non-transactional lady, she is not looking for more "customers". So, she may not apprciate me sharing her details. No?

I will definitely not share my top 3 who are creme-de-la-creme. They are my friends with whom I happen to have sex. That equation is not up for trade.

There are these mid-range, on the fringe girls who are really nice to me but I am giving it time to see if they go on to become friends. So, I am on the fence.

Then, there are these golden / platinum pussies who I will never ever meet again and / or want to do anything with them. I don't want to be "transactional" doing tit for tat but I will not be against sharing them like poker chips. But, I don't think that share is going to help anyone in this forum because those are what I call "bad experiences" and I don't want to pass it to you guys.

TL: DR: sharing or not is a personal perspective. I have shared some to some of you who have reached out on I'm. I understand some of them were struggling to break in. I empathize with that because I went through the exact same. Seniors like Steve and Midwestern helped me providing do's and don'ts but we never asked for / gave girls. They taught me to fish rather than give me A fish. To me, that is much worthier than contacts.