Seeking Arrangements

[Gfefan]

I hear your reasoning. Makes sense from a certain PoV.

Here is a different PoV.

The whole sharing more is ok has a premise that these girls are "tradeable" and / or are in a business looking for more customers.

What if I feel like she is my friend (albeit in a fantasy world where I take break from my real world)? The moment I have a GFE experience, and the girl is non-transactional, I have a certain relation with her which I cherish and keep intact. I can't share my "friends". No?

Likewise, if she is a non-transactional lady, she is not looking for more "customers". So, she may not apprciate me sharing her details. No?

I will definitely not share my top 3 who are creme-de-la-creme. They are my friends with whom I happen to have sex. That equation is not up for trade.

There are these mid-range, on the fringe girls who are really nice to me but I am giving it time to see if they go on to become friends. So, I am on the fence.

Then, there are these golden / platinum pussies who I will never ever meet again and / or want to do anything with them. I don't want to be "transactional" doing tit for tat but I will not be against sharing them like poker chips. But, I don't think that share is going to help anyone in this forum because those are what I call "bad experiences" and I don't want to pass it to you guys.

TL: DR: sharing or not is a personal perspective. I have shared some to some of you who have reached out on I'm. I understand some of them were struggling to break in. I empathize with that because I went through the exact same. Seniors like Steve and Midwestern helped me providing do's and don'ts but we never asked for / gave girls. They taught me to fish rather than give me A fish. To me, that is much worthier than contacts.

Hey. I hope everyone is doing good.

I got to say that the first time I heard about the SA movement was around 3 or 4 years ago in this delightful forum.

And after that, I'v been experimenting every time I can in every new city I visit. Mainly in Mexico and USA.

Being an active SA member for around a couple of months every year, allowed me to discover gems and really good experiences with awesome girls and I got to say that time is money is not enough to enjoy all we have in front of us. I really love it, however it's really time consuming when I have the opportunity to try every time.

As you may notice, last year I posted a list of girls in Mexico City that would like to encounter for a short term agreement.

Inside an hotel (if you know what I mean). I also posted prices they may be able to get in exchange of their time. Not the number of personal info, but only the SA member link.

Really Nice! Ha?

I hope that everyone that can share any experience, may have the courtesy to share some general info about girls who would like to meet more gentlemen over here. NOT PERSONAL, but only member link and a reference. Some colleges here doesn't like to share any info at all, only some description about their encounters but not SPECIFIC like allowances, possibilities about the girl and insights (maybe they feel like the lack of exclusivity?, LOL).

I meet with few of them and it was great however, it would be nice to have a little shortcut in order to go directly and realize the real possibilities with girls and of course save time.

Related to other topic: I just found that I love Ugly girls, not exactly with the beauty standard but with a feel of imperfection. It really turns me on.

Got encounters with students, military girl, disabled girl, really fat girl, and so office girls. They sometimes have better time availability and of course: they pamper more that the average.

I hope that everybody have a wonderful new year! And remember: Share more!

[Steve 9696]

Hi everyone!

I am a long time lurker but wanted to share some info about sugar scene in North West UK, and hope it can be helpful to someone!

I currently live and work in Manchester area, and the SA scene here is still affordable and feels very GFEy. If you ever come to UK, ignore London area and move up North. I believe you can have a much nicer experience than sticking to London with its crazy prices.

You can take the late night bus (National Express, Megabus, FlixBus) from London Victoria station for around 35 (return ticket) and in 5 hours you will be in Manchester or Liverpool. You can also take the train (trainpal or trainline are good apps to scout for better prices) from London King's Cross or London Euston for around 80 (return ticket). That will take 2 hours to arrive.

There are numerous universities in this area with fresh first-year students struggling to make ends meet. The costs of living in UK is sky-rocketing, and you can ppm an amazing young British girl for around 150 to 180 in Liverpool, Manchester, Preston, or Blackburn. The thing is, it will not stop there, in even norther cities such as Leeds and York you will find even more fresh students waiting to be lucky and find an arrangement. If you are into quality young white "western"-type girls and have a bit of patience, North of UK is a bargain.

They will usually quote you around 200 per meet, but will honestly not turn down your offer if you are here, serious, and can invite them to a nice dinner tomorrow evening. Before pandemic, you could find SBs for around 130 per meet, but I think 150 is now the minimum.

Beside SA, there are other venues where you can meet British SBs in northern areas. Search for an iPhone / android "language app" (for example hellotalk, but there are many) where you can sign up to learn languages. Many young girls on those apps are "looking for friends" type and open to meetups and dates. Message them, if you feel there is a vibe, move them to WhatsApp / Messenger.

Overall I think it's worth the experience if you are here and looking for young GF type girls. Just don't waste your time and money in London.

Thanks. And thanks to the other lurkers now posting. This is valuable stuff. I am often in northern England and never saw anything satisfactory as far as escorts and wondered if SA was a good play. And voila. Now i know. Thanks!

[Toni36]

Sorry the prices in my previous comments were all in GBP!

[Toni36]

Hi everyone!

I am a long time lurker but wanted to share some info about sugar scene in North West UK, and hope it can be helpful to someone!

I currently live and work in Manchester area, and the SA scene here is still affordable and feels very GFEy. If you ever come to UK, ignore London area and move up North. I believe you can have a much nicer experience than sticking to London with its crazy prices.

You can take the late night bus (National Express, Megabus, FlixBus) from London Victoria station for around 35 (return ticket) and in 5 hours you will be in Manchester or Liverpool. You can also take the train (trainpal or trainline are good apps to scout for better prices) from London King's Cross or London Euston for around 80 (return ticket). That will take 2 hours to arrive.

There are numerous universities in this area with fresh first-year students struggling to make ends meet. The costs of living in UK is sky-rocketing, and you can ppm an amazing young British girl for around 150 to 180 in Liverpool, Manchester, Preston, or Blackburn. The thing is, it will not stop there, in even norther cities such as Leeds and York you will find even more fresh students waiting to be lucky and find an arrangement. If you are into quality young white "western"-type girls and have a bit of patience, North of UK is a bargain.

They will usually quote you around 200 per meet, but will honestly not turn down your offer if you are here, serious, and can invite them to a nice dinner tomorrow evening. Before pandemic, you could find SBs for around 130 per meet, but I think 150 is now the minimum.

Beside SA, there are other venues where you can meet British SBs in northern areas. Search for an iPhone / android "language app" (for example hellotalk, but there are many) where you can sign up to learn languages. Many young girls on those apps are "looking for friends" type and open to meetups and dates. Message them, if you feel there is a vibe, move them to WhatsApp / Messenger.

Overall I think it's worth the experience if you are here and looking for young GF type girls. Just don't waste your time and money in London.

[Simplii]

Hey. I hope everyone is doing good.

I got to say that the first time I heard about the SA movement was around 3 or 4 years ago in this delightful forum.

And after that, I'v been experimenting every time I can in every new city I visit. Mainly in Mexico and USA.

Being an active SA member for around a couple of months every year, allowed me to discover gems and really good experiences with awesome girls and I got to say that time is money is not enough to enjoy all we have in front of us. I really love it, however it's really time consuming when I have the opportunity to try every time.

As you may notice, last year I posted a list of girls in Mexico City that would like to encounter for a short term agreement.

Inside an hotel (if you know what I mean). I also posted prices they may be able to get in exchange of their time. Not the number of personal info, but only the SA member link.

Really Nice! Ha?

I hope that everyone that can share any experience, may have the courtesy to share some general info about girls who would like to meet more gentlemen over here. NOT PERSONAL, but only member link and a reference. Some colleges here doesn't like to share any info at all, only some description about their encounters but not SPECIFIC like allowances, possibilities about the girl and insights (maybe they feel like the lack of exclusivity?, LOL).

I meet with few of them and it was great however, it would be nice to have a little shortcut in order to go directly and realize the real possibilities with girls and of course save time.

Related to other topic: I just found that I love Ugly girls, not exactly with the beauty standard but with a feel of imperfection. It really turns me on.

Got encounters with students, military girl, disabled girl, really fat girl, and so office girls. They sometimes have better time availability and of course: they pamper more that the average.

I hope that everybody have a wonderful new year! And remember: Share more!

[FilthyBeaver]

Year started with a girl I honestly believe to be trophy wife material. Wasn't till it ended did I realize I was in love and the fact she was crying when SHE ended it told me there was something there on her end as well.

Like Steve said previously I like the GFE wining / dining so I'm always looking for a girl up for shows and enough free time to spend at least a long evening if not a whole day or night. Found a girl who was only interested in the deed and 1 or 2 HR short meetings. Despite my criteria her pics were hot as fuck so I figured we'd do the deed until I got bored and move on. Been with her almost as long as my longest seeking relationship, she's since opened up a lot emotionally, and I enjoy the conversations we have now. Still haven't had dinner or anything away from my place but I'm shocked to say it's working for me and I'm content.

Had two losers, one had amazing photos which turned out to be at least 5 years old and was probably the most negative unhappy person I've ever met. Complete waste of my time and the feeling was mutual. Had another girl scam me agreeing to spend the weekend after an amazing first date the night before and some very interesting convo and chemistry. Gave her the money up front because the vibe was so there and mutual and about an hour after climbing into bed (platonically to that point) she gets into a text fight, eye roll, with a friend and wants to be alone. Then doesn't feel well and decides to go home. Honestly I was too pissed to demand the money back but she was a bit of a druggie loser anyway just had that girl next door type I really like so my vision was slightly rose colored.

Only pulled off a couple international trips this year so the results are all local. Keep in mind I'm not sneaking around because I'm divorce and doing whatever whenever at my place is always on the table.

I do owe ya'll a European seeking equivalent experience and I think you won't be disappointed based on the front end work already done. The reality will be a little less exciting, no shows, flakes, etc. All part of this game. Once that all plays out I'll still it all. Happy new year guys, this thread is fun.

Midwestern, BlueMoon, DramaFree et al. Do tell. Let's get some more retrospectives in here. I know you are killing it out there!

[Steve 9696]

Midwestern, BlueMoon, DramaFree et al. Do tell. Let's get some more retrospectives in here. I know you are killing it out there!

[Steve 9696]

Pi reminds me that I did have a couple disappointments and only fair to list those. None were Seeking girls, who uniformly delivered this year (and rare bad experiences in years past).

Bad. Duo at Mystic FKK. They came on strong in the porno room and promised the world. In the room it was tons of restrictions for the most basic stuff. Really bad experience. Managed to get them to work enough to get a shot off but worst experience ever at FKK. Had two other good girls at Mystic.

Bad. Pulled a hottie at Billboard in Bangkok. Got her to the room and she would not BBBJ. She was a real biatch about it and I sent her packing. Unfortunately had paid mamasan ahead. Didn't care about the money but it pissed me off. Went down the street to Kasalong and shot a CIM load with an ugly older lady for $20 or something. Not my finest hour. She was good at her trade tho.

Disappointing. Girl at Casarao in Brazil. AMAZING body. Maybe a 10. But was not doing BBBJ. Got her to do a few licks but that was it and then condom on. Still managed to shoot one she was so hot. Then grabbed a 6. 5 DD girl who promised great BBBJ and she delivered. Over a half hour of BBBJ and then fucking and CIM. A nice recovery.

Disappointing. Cuban duo at Vive Madrid. A bit lazy and tried to call it early. I was having none of their shenanigans and made them work the full time. One of them wasn't so bad. And optics were good all around. Just sharky attitude that kills the mood.

So it's not all roses every day but winning on balance with only 10% in the bad / disappointing column. Not bad.

[AmericanPi]

Since others are doing theirs, why not. I'm sure people care about my year right?

The highlights:

Did a girl 3 separate times in Mexico. Longest I ever kept someone. The last time I started to get bored and realized it was the last time. Sad because the first time I thought she was a solid 9. And she is. But familiarity breeds boredom.

Did a girl in OC California. My first black girl. But she was very light skinned like a hotter Rihanna. I kid you not. But then second time she couldn't stay the night so I low balled and never heard from her again. She was 18 and great.

Banged a four foot 6 girl in San Diego. Her breath was bad and she was annoying.

Got taken advantage of by a girl in LA. Scammed me.

Oh actually did a girl in Mexico City for the 3rd time. She is not super hot but she lets me do literally anything and she's a good girl.

Multiple girls in Tijuana. None amazing but so close and so cheap.

Banged a girl in Denver who was a goddamn basket case with daddy issues and wanted to call me daddy.

A crazy year. Some low lights. It ID do it all over again for sure.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks GFEfsn for the recap. Super excited you have found a new or prospect. My 2023 turned out spectacular as well. A shade fewer girls total than 2022 but still an epic number. But more important some amazing quality.

In my lifetime I have only been with 5 girls who are 9. 5 ers. And two were this year! Gaby at Monte Carlo in Rio and Manuella an SA girl in Rio. Amazing optics. And Manuella was a 9. 5 all around as well.

And somehow magically I scored a 10. Only girl I have ever rated a ten. Absolutely perfect looking in all respects. Rolls out of bed looking like a goddess. An actual ten. And I got to spend three days with her in Athens. A true one for the books.

A pile of amazing hotties in Brazil and Thailand. And some solid stuff in Germany/Spain/Austria as well.

And of course Shayla the home girl is still going strong two years in.

Been quite a year but plan for 2024 to be just as amazing (but without meeting a ten).

And heres the amazing thing. I am not special, maybe a bit better than average looking. And I have money but so do most of us that play the game. But in 2019 I literally had no game. Hadnt been on a date in nearly 40 years! And here I am four years later convincing a ten to go to Athens with me at an insanely low daily rate, plus I have a full time mistress.

This is beyond my wildest dreams. With persistence u will find the gems and bed the gems and get better at it each time. It is absolutely possible for all of us if we put in the effort.

[Gfefan]

Met a very nice girl in the US. What a surprise end to 2023.

Been chatting for a while. She came across as a decent chick. Met for coffee (yes coffee only) and she refused to let me buy her. We bought our own coffees.

The chat was so nice that we ended up spending 2. 5 hours at a coffee shop. Went for a walk, few kisses and that's it. Nothing more.

Then we met again after a week. This time, we met for dinner and then her place.

She is good looking but a bit short in height. Sex was OK, not fabulous.

Will definitely repeat as she has a great attitude and invests in building conmections and is not one of those golden pussies. Her asks are very reasonable. She did tell me she is shy at first and then opens up. So, hoping the sex gets better in 2024.

Looking back, 2023 has been a great year with learnings.

Europe has continued to return on past investments. Couple new Europeam ones picked up including the squirter. But, the top 3 from 2022 remains top three in 2023.

Found a good SB in SFO only to have her ghost me. Found a decent SB in US to do it in the woods but then lost interest. Found the one that negotiated a high amount when I had a bulge in pants (lesson learned. Never negotiate when little man is erect) but she is by far the best looks. Will try her for a lower ppm.

Ended the year with finding a girl with good head on shoulders.

Looking forward to my Europe trips in 2024. Starts with Spain in Feb.

Advance Happy New Year fellow seekers. Have fun, stay safe. Treat them well and make them treat you well. Cheers!

[Elvis 2008]

The only person I can hangout happily with / without sex is my wife Ironically, I fish outside because fiahing at one place is boring, and then find the new place boring right after I catch the fish that I go back to my fiahing spot.

Something off with the brain wiring.

Nah, it is normal. See the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect.

The original experiments with rats applied the following protocol: A male rat was placed into an enclosed large box with four or five female rats in heat. He immediately began to mate with all the female rats repeatedly until he eventually became exhausted. The females continued nudging and licking him, yet he did not respond. When a novel female was introduced into the box, he became alert and began to mate once again with the new female.

You see you are normal for a rat. We all are. LOL.

When a novel female was presented, initially, there was a small increase in the levels of dopamine, however, after continued copulation with the novel female, a significant increase in dopamine levels was observed.

Dopamine is powerful stuff. Without it, the zeal for life IMO goes away. Thing is you have cortisol, stress, and regret. Chances are that new hottie is not going to be better in bed than the one you have in hand, and there is stress with performance and getting ripped off and when the big head has to tell the little head who is boss. That is why I tried to have at least 3 SBs in hand while always looking to upgrade. If I rotated three, the dopamine novelty was still there. It was not as high as the first time but there was no boredom with the women.

Somehow once the dick gets his share, my brain switches off with most girls.

I want the non rushed GFE but the day after is just boring. The two exceptiona are my German and Spain SBs (German 23, Spanish 28) are exceptiona. Even that is only for a day or two. That is why I don't take them on tripa.

As for trips, the best is if you can get two (or more) women who really like each other mentally and ideally physically and then you will not get bored. It is hard to not get bored if you are with one person the whole time.

More from the link: In an earlier experiment, also conducted by Carr et al. , they found that, unlike male rats, female rats preferred the odor of a familiar partner rather than the odor of a novel partner.

That practically explains it all right?

Thank God we are all so much more advanced than rats. LOL.

[FilthyBeaver]

I don't think there's anything wrong with your wiring at all. We've been programmed for millenia to spread our seed. You're never going to beat evolution. The only decision you meet to make is whether you want to "keep your vows" or whatever nonsense you believe in or bang some hot chick who's asking for something tangible in return. I have no issue with that at all, you're two consenting adults. Fuck what anybody else thinks.

I loved my wife, I still love her, and would do anything for her except agreeing to not have sex with other women. I've tried it and it makes me a miserable human being so I don't fight the biological urge anymore. It's moot now because we're divorced. With the exception of one SB I never said nor was it expected that we were exclusive. I was in love with that SB and that one really hurt when it ended. The one I'm with now is a 9 with a model figure, waist is about 3 feet long,. I'm not in live with her and we don't do ask much as I've done with my other SBs but she's working for me and I'm reasonably sure she's happy too.

I will admit that my route caused other problems like I didn't really want to bang the wife as often and that took a toll on the relationship. But nothings perfect when you play this game already attached to someone who probably doesn't know what you're up to.

Somehow once the dick gets his share, my brain switches off with most girls.

I want the non rushed GFE but the day after is just boring. The two exceptiona are my German and Spain SBs (German 23, Spanish 28) are exceptiona. Even that is only for a day or two. That is why I don't take them on tripa.

The only person I can hangout happily with / without sex is my wife Ironically, I fish outside because fiahing at one place is boring, and then find the new place boring right after I catch the fish that I go back to my fiahing spot.

Something off with the brain wiring.

[Steve 9696]

Most of my and your Seeking is short term a few dates, or a weekend. Every once in a while you hit one that ends up almost like an LTR. Like Elvis is tied up big time with his hottie. Shayla and I are still NSA but def have that long term comfort thing going on. Yes it's not as electric as at first but the sex can still be epic.

For those that like a good Penthouse forum read, read on. Here's how the other night went down.

Arrived at Shayla's for date night as usual and chatted for quite some time. We moved to the bed and watched Netflix for a bit, her in the crook of my arm.

So as time passed, I suggested massage and stripped to my skivvies. I give her quite a good and focused massage but after a while start thinking of sex. So I take off her pants and start hip thrust sliding my balls over her ass crack while massaging and eventually grow a chub and then a full fledged hardon. It feels great. After some time I move off the bed and around to where her face is.

She is lying on her belly and props herself on her elbows and takes me in her mouth. This is an amazing position because I can continue to give her an amazing back massage while she blows the fuck out of me. This is super win win because she is happy to BJ and enjoy the massage. Def going to repeat this!

Kinda like 69 it's distracting to do something while being blown. So it feels great but not going to blow a load and can go on forever. We are definitely at this for 20+ minutes. When I feel I might blow, I direct her on some ball work as well and it feels amazing. Got to fuck her now!

I put a pillow under her belly and mount her legs closed from behind. This feels amazing. She's no longer watching TV but face buried in the pillow gasping and sighing and generally heightening the experience for me. She feels amazing bareback, as always, and I threaten to blow a load a few times. I find if I rear back onto my knees the thrusting sensation is less intense and I can back away from the edge. Then I lean back over and pound another 100 strokes! Damn this is some great fucking.

At some point I find myself overheating from a massive amount of fucking and ask her to come on top. Last few times on top she's done RCG which feels great but I love to see her face. Tonight she mounts up traditional CG face to face. Lovely.

She has an amazing way of riding cowgirl where she puts the tops of her feet on top of your thighs to control the action very precisely. And of late she's been doing this thing we both love where she will very slowly take you all the way to the point of exiting where the tip is barely in and then slowly reinsert all the way deep. And then almost full exit. OMG it's amazing.

Sex kitten that she is she adds soft ball work to this by reaching around with her left hand and softly massaging my balls while she fucks me super slow. OMG. This is just the ticket and I build quite fast. I pull out and I am about to shoot but really don't just want to jack it. I am able to hold onto the shot for about five more seconds as she repositions to take me in her mouth. Good girl! As soon as her lips hit my dick I start firing and drop a good bit of load in her mouth and some on her cheek and some drips down to my tummy. Fuck it was hard to hold that last shot but epic when it came.

She pops up and cleans me up with a warm wash cloth. She always does this and it's so girlfriendy I love it. A bit more Netflix and wind down and off I go. An epic date.

[Gfefan]

Somehow once the dick gets his share, my brain switches off with most girls.

I want the non rushed GFE but the day after is just boring. The two exceptiona are my German and Spain SBs (German 23, Spanish 28) are exceptiona. Even that is only for a day or two. That is why I don't take them on tripa.

The only person I can hangout happily with / without sex is my wife Ironically, I fish outside because fiahing at one place is boring, and then find the new place boring right after I catch the fish that I go back to my fiahing spot.

Something off with the brain wiring.

I am prob a bit unusual but I like the dating part. Not just dinner and go to room. But if she stays over then brunch and the pool or whatever. I enjoy hanging with hot girls 1/3 my age. (Half my age is way too old and boring. &#128523