Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

I tried the monthly allowance thing. I think there have been three or four times in my life a woman's beauty just left me speechless. The last time I did monthly was with one of these girls. She was a mixed girl and a great lover. This was back 10 years ago, and I did something I would not today, $2000 a month.

Every second after she got that money, she was angling for more. Halfway into the month, there was just a straw that broke the camel's back, and I was like "Fuck it, I am out. " She called me back a few years later, I saw her and fucked her at her place which was very nice. She claimed to have a job and then I realized she did not. She hooked up with a guy, sucked him dry, and he put up with her longer than I did. I think they lived together, and she bought him tons of things, and then when she turned him down, he lost it and hit her, and she got him kicked out of their place. Seeing what she did with him sealed it for me, and I never saw her again. The notion that she is a victim in today's society just makes me sick. She is and was a blood sucker.

So when I told women that is why I never paid monthly, they never pushed it. People have said that paying by the month makes women feel more like working girls, and my response to that is I do not care. I am not going to be suckered like that again. Paying in advance is almost always a bad idea.

I have also had issues with monthly allowances. Not sure I would do it again, unless I have known the girl for several months, even then probably not.

[CarloRogue]

I tried the monthly allowance thing. I think there have been three or four times in my life a woman's beauty just left me speechless. The last time I did monthly was with one of these girls. She was a mixed girl and a great lover. This was back 10 years ago, and I did something I would not today, $2000 a month.

Every second after she got that money, she was angling for more. Halfway into the month, there was just a straw that broke the camel's back, and I was like "Fuck it, I am out. " She called me back a few years later, I saw her and fucked her at her place which was very nice. She claimed to have a job and then I realized she did not. She hooked up with a guy, sucked him dry, and he put up with her longer than I did. I think they lived together, and she bought him tons of things, and then when she turned him down, he lost it and hit her, and she got him kicked out of their place. Seeing what she did with him sealed it for me, and I never saw her again. The notion that she is a victim in today's society just makes me sick. She is and was a blood sucker..

Lots of good observations in the last few threads, which I'll confirm from my experience. Of course, stereotypes are only held by bigots, monsters, and misanthropes in general, blah blah blah. But patterns exist nonetheless.

"Luv", "Hon": it's been observed many times that these terms are not typically used by your girl next door on the first message with a stranger.

Regular and / or advanced payments: yep, just don't do it, unless you like being taken for granted.

Bartenders: they're fun, they're social, everybody loves them, their cell phone is blowing up all day / all night. It's hard for them to keep up with all the attention, so don't take it personally when they don't get back to you right away. Or ever again.

Now of course, YMMV. But it probably won't.

[Elvis 2008]

Yeah kinda breaks my heart too. My buddy is in Medellin and Snapchatting me the duos he's having for $70 total. And they are HOT. Sigh. The US sucks. At least we have seeking.

I'm kinda fixated on one girl now who is super hot Colombiana bar tender and super sweet as well. For allowance she just said "we can start with something small and increase as our relationship grows. Whatever you are comfortable with I wouldn't want to impose".

Is that cool? Or is there a hammer about to fall on me? Most girls just state their price. Two have given me that sort of line. Any advice. Push on it or just deal in person after sex?

I tried the monthly allowance thing. I think there have been three or four times in my life a woman's beauty just left me speechless. The last time I did monthly was with one of these girls. She was a mixed girl and a great lover. This was back 10 years ago, and I did something I would not today, $2000 a month.

Every second after she got that money, she was angling for more. Halfway into the month, there was just a straw that broke the camel's back, and I was like "Fuck it, I am out. " She called me back a few years later, I saw her and fucked her at her place which was very nice. She claimed to have a job and then I realized she did not. She hooked up with a guy, sucked him dry, and he put up with her longer than I did. I think they lived together, and she bought him tons of things, and then when she turned him down, he lost it and hit her, and she got him kicked out of their place. Seeing what she did with him sealed it for me, and I never saw her again. The notion that she is a victim in today's society just makes me sick. She is and was a blood sucker.

So when I told women that is why I never paid monthly, they never pushed it. People have said that paying by the month makes women feel more like working girls, and my response to that is I do not care. I am not going to be suckered like that again. Paying in advance is almost always a bad idea.

As for her offering you a lower bargain rate, that goes against the natural order as well. For women, there is less fear factor with the known and so I saw they would take less as I got to know them better. Also, usually with men, the pleasure goes down after the first and second meeting with a woman so the value is less as well. I would usually start higher and then go lower especially if the women were not performing as well.

As for a bartender, I am assuming she works here and is from Colombia. Maybe there is a female bartender that is not a flake or drunk, but I cannot recall meeting and getting to know one that is not.

My last SB found herself in that field. She is stunning but more than that she is a health nut and gives off this healthy woman, therapist vibe. So we go out to eat at some sub shop like Subway, and she is asked by staff how she is doing and she says, "Fine, how are you?" Time and again, people would go over all their problems with her for like 15 minutes even if it meant holding up the line. It was bizarre.

The real irony and one of the reasons she liked me so much is that I knew she was bipolar and I really got what that entailed. So often after one of these therapy sessions, we would head back to my place, and she would say, "Elvis, I want to kill myself. I am thinking about slashing my wrists", and I would have to soothe her and talk her out of it.

I am not sure that is what a typical female bartender is. Great listening, problem solving, sweet, chaste woman at the bar and wrist slashing sugar baby in private, but I do not think that is really so much of an exception for bartenders.

[Steve 9696]

Steve,

That breaks my heart. You have to come meet me and Dramafree in Monterrey and I will introduce you to women who will blow your socks off for 20% of that amount. I have two very nice women I can hand off to you, and Steve, they are beautiful and they are not your typical American screwups. Monterrey is an hour and a half flight from Dallas or Houston, so I think you can hit it in almost four hours from anywhere in the USA.

I have guys I am going to meet going to Colombia in a few weeks and others wanting to go to Brazil in the summer. I hope you consider saving up and going with us.

I have a trip planned with Flo and Nancy for four days, and it is going to cost a little above that $700 to $1000 mark, and it is with two women for four days. $1000 for a meet? Fuck that place, dude.

Yeah kinda breaks my heart too. My buddy is in Medellin and Snapchatting me the duos he's having for $70 total. And they are HOT. Sigh. The US sucks. At least we have seeking.

I'm kinda fixated on one girl now who is super hot Colombiana bar tender and super sweet as well. For allowance she just said "we can start with something small and increase as our relationship grows. Whatever you are comfortable with I wouldn't want to impose".

Is that cool? Or is there a hammer about to fall on me? Most girls just state their price. Two have given me that sort of line. Any advice. Push on it or just deal in person after sex?

[Elvis 2008]

So I am hopefully traveling soon and have embarked on a search. A few thoughts and or advice as I start here on a new city.

Directness. Recently when I was engaging with girls and getting offers of $700 and $1000 - not kidding I was pretty bummed. I just started casting a wider net with a pre canned message of "I'm coming to xxx on yyy and going to have dinner and drinks and more, depending on chemistry with some awesome girl. Maybe that's you? Let's chat" And got a lot of responses from very good prospects. It cut thru a bunch of the BS back and forth. I was surprised at how easy that was for an opener.

Steve,

That breaks my heart. You have to come meet me and Dramafree in Monterrey and I will introduce you to women who will blow your socks off for 20% of that amount. I have two very nice women I can hand off to you, and Steve, they are beautiful and they are not your typical American screwups. Monterrey is an hour and a half flight from Dallas or Houston, so I think you can hit it in almost four hours from anywhere in the USA.

I have guys I am going to meet going to Colombia in a few weeks and others wanting to go to Brazil in the summer. I hope you consider saving up and going with us.

I have a trip planned with Flo and Nancy for four days, and it is going to cost a little above that $700 to $1000 mark, and it is with two women for four days. $1000 for a meet? Fuck that place, dude.

[Steve 9696]

So I am hopefully traveling soon and have embarked on a search. A few thoughts and or advice as I start here on a new city.

Hun and Love. I've noticed a few girls I am in contact with calling me hun or hunny or love. In the past I've associated those terms with hookers. Just based on prior experience. And maybe it doesn't even matter. But what's your experience there. Are these code words for I am a pro? Or am I reading too much into it.

Directness. Recently when I was engaging with girls and getting offers of $700 and $1000 - not kidding — I was pretty bummed. I just started casting a wider net with a pre canned message of "I'm coming to xxx on yyy and going to have dinner and drinks and more, depending on chemistry with some awesome girl. Maybe that's you? Let's chat" And got a lot of responses from very good prospects. It cut thru a bunch of the BS back and forth. I was surprised at how easy that was for an opener.

Directness 2. I had recently analyzed what my favorite SBs all have in common. So once I started texting a girl I just said it outright. That the girls I really like are all Xxx yyy zzz and love to kiss. That last one rather sexualizes the interaction and frankly it's true — if she doesn't love to kiss then she's not for me. And again surprised at how this directness works. Like pretty much everyone I had engaged to that level was like "yep that's me".

So I am continually learning!

[Elvis 2008]

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

Yes, Steve is right. You do not seed SA in South America to get laid however you are more likely to meet a higher quality of woman with SA than a hooker.

In Monterrey, Mexico, I used SA and got six women, five were BBFS. In Colombia, there was one hooker that allowed semi bare back. She would dip it in and then out, but I could not tip enough to get hookers to do BBFS. With SA in Colombia, I eventually went bare with all the women.

The Colombian government scares the women not going bare. By the way, the plan be birth control, one pill after sex is better protection against pregnancy than condoms, is over the counter and cheap in Colombia. It is a good place to load up. That drug is levonorgestrel and you give the woman 1500 MG one time after sex. It officially lasts 3 days but unofficially lasts 5 days.

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

Most of the time but some a few women like to take their time.

[Blue Swede]

I am confused.

Should I be going to.

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With dot com ending, all takes me to seeking dot com, which is the site discussed as SA.

[Steve 9696]

Steve is hands down one of the best guides to using SA on this sub-forum, if not the best, especially for the USA market. But my only small caveat or lemma to Steve's recent guide for newbies is that I try to move from text to meet-and-greet as soon as possible. Any chemistry that I accomplish, or fail to accomplish, on text has not been very predictive of the eventual outcome. On many occasions, I achieved great chemistry and convo while texting, but when we met, the chemistry wasn't there. On many occasions, the convo was a dud on text, but when we met the chemistry was amazing (the latter happens a lot if we meet for a drink and then get drunk, hahaha). So, when I can get a girl's attention, I just immediately say, "let's meet to see if there's any chemistry. " A lot of times, they may feel it can be a big waste of time, because texting is so easy, but if they raise this issue then I always offer to meet them wherever and whenever they want. Just my 2 cents.

Yea MW is right. Since I wrote the guide I've run into a girl or two where the text chemistry was great but the in person chemistry wasn't there and that's a bummer of course. And with Lucy Miami her text game was basically nonexistent. But in person she’s a Colombian wildcat and our 5 hours dancing and fucking were pretty spectacular! So yeah getting on a date is the only way to know.

And alcohol is KEY with newbies. I guarantee several of the deals I closed were socially lubricated. No regrets either way we both knew what we were doing but it all flows so much easier just like in real life. Actually my most recent date we had good text but mostly she's beautiful so we met up. In person she was really shy and awkward looking away, not knowing how to act. But after a good solid drink (followed by more) she lost her guard and we really had a blast. By the end she was feeding me from her plate off her fork and ended up putting her foot up on my knee to massage her calf. Clearly if we had more time this woulda been a done deal (long story) but we parted with a kiss (which she later apologized for being awkward and lame) and will hopefully seal the deal later this week.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Seeking com aka Seekingarrangement.

I am confused.

Should I be going to.

Seeking.com

Seeking Arrangements takes me to sugardaddymeet.com.

[Steve 9696]

Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.

So U can surely get great SA girls in South America. But it's really not necessary. What I mean is the pro and semi pro scene in Brasil and Colombia is to die for. And cheap! Whereas in the US it's hideously expensive and really the girls are nothing to write home about compared to South America (at least not for under $500+ an hour. So in the USA, Seeking is the only game in town IMO. I mean for $400 you get an 8+ for four hours or overnight. You can't touch that with hookers.

But in South American you can already get hotties for extended time very reasonably. So you don't need SA in SA! LOL. Of course it works. It's just not nearly as needed as in the USA.

[Midwestern]

Steve is hands down one of the best guides to using SA on this sub-forum, if not the best, especially for the USA market. But my only small caveat or lemma to Steve's recent guide for newbies is that I try to move from text to meet-and-greet as soon as possible. Any chemistry that I accomplish, or fail to accomplish, on text has not been very predictive of the eventual outcome. On many occasions, I achieved great chemistry and convo while texting, but when we met, the chemistry wasn't there. On many occasions, the convo was a dud on text, but when we met the chemistry was amazing (the latter happens a lot if we meet for a drink and then get drunk, hahaha). So, when I can get a girl's attention, I just immediately say, "let's meet to see if there's any chemistry. " A lot of times, they may feel it can be a big waste of time, because texting is so easy, but if they raise this issue then I always offer to meet them wherever and whenever they want. Just my 2 cents.

[Midwestern]

Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.

Generalizations are always just that, but IMHO, BBFS is more likely with non-pros than with pros. So, yes, there are more BBFS opportunities on SA. And, and in my experience, if they are DTF, then they are down for BBFS on the first date. For pros on SA, they will likely only go for covered action.

[HelloIm]

Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.

[Elvis 2008]

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she wants to take u there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. (Though I have found SA virgins too shy to ask sometimes, so I offer). Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.

Great guide Steve! I was so tired of guys saying all the women on SA are hookers and who have never used it. Now I think it is just more for us. You do not send photos to escorts, have to have game to pick up hookers, and not talk sex to street walkers.

Yes, we are paying for it, but maybe that criticism will grow teeth when I see a beauty queen with an average looking unemployed guy with no money.