Seeking Arrangements

[AmorPorFavor]

My approach is precisely the same, and for mostly the same reason (although discretion is another important factor for me, and putting anything into electronic form is permanent). If a girl wants to discuss business before we've met, it usually indicates that we won't be a good personality match, but since I already know I'm attracted and have invested time in her, I will try to get her to meet in person saying the same thing ("I prefer to discuss details in person" This also establishes your frame, which is a key dynamic with women. The pros will emphatically decline, and select themselves out naturally because they really have no interest in you on any level other than your wallet. Either way, I always end it politely. And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".

It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.

I'm not on SA now because Covid but will be getting back on after vaccinations. Only did 3 months last summer for the first time when my travels to inexpensive pussylands were shut down. I was not interested in hard core hookers either. Wanted that GFE that I often get in Latin America where I like to wife up for a few days on vacations. My first few weeks on SA got hit up by a lot of pros. You could tell because they went right to the pricing and it was always very steep. I then put in my profile "no pros" and it cut down on them quite a bit but not completely. BTW what does GPS mean?

[Steve 9696]

There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.

So yeah I don't mind the time waste. The flirty chat is fine. It's just disappointing when you are looking forward to a date that night and they kill it. There is no doubt the timing of their request because they know you are hot to trot and some guys just might pony up. For me just an annoyance and as Ariana Grande says "thank you. Next!

And just last night I hit the opposite end of the spectrum it appears. The naive babe in the woods. She didn't want to do phone too nervous about her number. And asked me to do Kik. Well red flag there. Mostly hookers on Kik. But I play along. And her Kik has her name. A really distinctive Asian name. And sure enough googling it turns up an old linked in and Facebook with a pic of her son and current Instagram. I point this out thinking it's prob a scam and she will ghost me, but just the opposite. She seems to be legit this girl and really worried about what she's done and changes her name and all.

Anyhow long story short I am 99% convinced she is just a naive girl but we meetup later this week and will find out! Never a dull moment. She's a Cambodian hottie BTW.

[CarloRogue]

There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.

All the more reason why my goal on SA is to get to a face-to-face meet & greet with as little up front effort as possible. And by and large, the real girls are interested in the same. A little light banter back & forth to set the mood is ok, but I find I don't really even need that. I'm funnier and can work kino escalation in the first 30 minutes of a date without much getting-to-know-you texting in advance. There are always exceptions, but if a "girl" is dragging her feet about meeting, you are not likely to ever actually meet her in my experience. Or it's just not worth it, given all the options out there. And I put "girl" in quotes because if she doesn't want to meet you in person, you really have no idea who you are conversing with anyway.

[TonyMontanaaO7]

About a couple weeks ago I made an account on seeking arrangements and this girl had sent me a message saying we could work something out. She told me I would get a monthly allowance and we had planned trips for him to visit. All of this is sketchy and I shouldn't have done it so please don't lecture me. I gave her my account login info (should have been my first clue) she deposited a check for $3,000 and asked me to go make money transfers for her (another red flag). I did it because the left over money would be mine to keep. The next day we did the same thing, I went and did money transfers for her and just casually talked throughout the day. Today I today up and my account is -$6000 because the checks she deposited into my account weren't cleared. I found out she did sign my name on the checks so that if fraud but I did let her into my account so that was my stupidity. I have contacted my bank but after the transactions they called me so I could confirm the deposits and I did. I also filed a report to the police and they are reviewing it so now I just wait. I know there is a big chance of me being shit out of luck but if there any other solutions I'm open to hear them.

[Midwestern]

So I don't know if it's just my part of the country but I've hit my third elaborate scam. Ok looking girl. Nothing to write home about but I'm looking for a strong kisser and girlfriend vibe. We hit it off well. Some nice chat. Take it to texting. Exchange some more pics. Chat about Netflix and dogs. You know just really engaged and make a date to meet up. She's excited. Ha.

Day of the event about 3 hrs before she needs help with rent money. We haven't even met. Sigh. Ah no.

And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".

It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.

There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.

[Steve 9696]

So I don't know if it's just my part of the country but I've hit my third elaborate scam. Ok looking girl. Nothing to write home about but I'm looking for a strong kisser and girlfriend vibe. We hit it off well. Some nice chat. Take it to texting. Exchange some more pics. Chat about Netflix and dogs. You know just really engaged and make a date to meet up. She's excited. Ha.

Day of the event about 3 hrs before she needs help with rent money. We haven't even met. Sigh. Ah no.

[CarloRogue]

When a girl asks, "what do you offer?" I always say, "Let's meet first to see if there's chemistry. If there's chemistry, then we can discuss an agreement. ".

One would think that my response is reasonable, but many girls then take a pass on me. But I am okay with this, because these are exactly the types of girls that I would not have had chemistry with anyway. And for me chemistry is important in an arrangement. If and when it is not important, then that's when I see a WG.

My approach is precisely the same, and for mostly the same reason (although discretion is another important factor for me, and putting anything into electronic form is permanent). If a girl wants to discuss business before we've met, it usually indicates that we won't be a good personality match, but since I already know I'm attracted and have invested time in her, I will try to get her to meet in person saying the same thing ("I prefer to discuss details in person" This also establishes your frame, which is a key dynamic with women. The pros will emphatically decline, and select themselves out naturally because they really have no interest in you on any level other than your wallet. Either way, I always end it politely. And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".

It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.

[SfoCowboy]

I've been meeting a student after talking on SA last year. She wasn't ready for sex but wanted small allowances for just clubbing and stuff. I thought at some point she'd change. She didn’t change but she introduced me to her friend who is fine with sex. Going to meet her day after tomorrow. This is sheer luck.

Cheers!

[LshRoomer]

In the USA, I do not think you get anywhere without a price. I will say with those women "My range of giving gifts has been from $ to $$ In other countries, where the women usually are not as experienced, I find I do not have to. I say "We have to figure out what our schedules are like and I prefer to talk about these things in person. " Most actually accept that and the women are much less interested in the how much question after we meet. When the women insist on a price, they are often more ho than SB types.

I like your approach Lshroomer and understand what you are saying but I just wonder if that kind of lecturing phrase on goods and services might make a woman think, "I am not going out with this guy, he is not going to give me anything. " My goal is to get the woman to meet me so I appear generous but not to commit myself to a price because so often the women show up not looking like their pics (both better and worse) or just the woman somehow turns me off. I usually know if I want the woman after the first few minutes and usually everything outside of the price is usually forgotten about once the woman and you have a face to face meeting.

That's a good point. I'm sure some women have had the thought that I'm cheap. While others use that opportunity to start the compensation conversation and that's my goal, to have a conversation about how we can help each other. I prefer for the girl to spit out a number first and then negotiate from there. This has worked pretty well, especially when mentioning that I don't want anything transactional. I don't try to go cheap (I use regional averages), but I'm not looking to take the place of her employer either. LOL. I also like other approaches that I've heard in the responses, like lets discuss in person and see if we have chemistry. All good info guys. Keep it coming.

02.

[LshRoomer]

I don't know if any of you have condom advice to share but feel free to chime in. Seems like a never ending journey for me. LOL.

Stage 1 Fucking hate condoms. Why bother just stick with blowjob which is so much better.

Stage 2 Discover Japanese condoms. Okamoto 01 and 02. Really dig them but even XL is a bit tight and then I had like three break in a row. That crossed them off my list.

Stage 3 Moved to Trojan Bareskins and really like them. Quite a good feel. But Sarah says the latex gives her a rash and Layla says she's gets a UTI from latex condoms.

Stage 4 Using Skyn Elites. Like these. Non latex. Feel good but don't break. Think the Bareskins might feel a notch better. Might have to do a side by side compare with a girl that doesn't mind latex.

And avoid Durex Real Feel at all costs. They are non latex and the store was out of Skyns. I was fucking Layla the other day with one and might as well have had a condom made of football leather on. Couldn't feel a thing. Fortunately scrounged up a Skyn and finished the deed. LOL.

What's your experience?

Simple. I use SKYN. Latex condoms give me irritation.

Use or don't use?? I use. I don't diss anyone that goes bareback. It does feel amazing.

Why I use "protection"? I had an SB (19 yr old college girl) in my suite one night and after showing her some BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu), it got her all turned on due to the closeness of the guards (full guard, half guard. Any of you BJJ guys out there will know what I'm talking about), etc. She initiated. I returned the favor to see that she was already soaking wet. BBBJ was great, and at that moment, I realized that I had no condoms! I didn't think I was going to bang her that nightShe said to me, "I mean, I'm clean, so it's ok". I decided against it and just went with the BBBJ. I banged her a few times over the next month. All with condoms. She called me one day and tells me that I should go get tested bc she is positive for clym. She said that she had to call 2 other guys that both hit it raw to inform them as well. I was all good, but man, that really put it in my head to put on my seatbelt, even when taking a Sunday drive.

02.

[DramaFree11]

I think a lot of guys on ISG are not familiar with the principles of Who Moved My Cheese?

In this endeavor, the cheese moves all the fucking time. The age, body style, and looks of the women we pursue never changes. But the ladies themselves live in a different environment every generation.

A guy in his 70's might possibly be having sex with the actual granddaughter of a sex worker he saw when he was in his 20's.

But the granddaughter has an entirely different way of doing business than her grandma did when grandma was in her 20's.

Adapting really angers a lot of guys on ISG. A guy jumped on a lot of my posts where I summarized escort reviews and contact information, and said the commercial sex scene belongs on the streets. Yes, the streets. The granddaughter is supposed to walk the same block that her grandma did, I guess. And if granddaughter works at an FKK, I guess she should find an old yearbook with grandma's picture in it from decades ago. The irony is that poster did a link to the locations of the street scene that was inaccurate and from a website designed to get web traffic for pop-up ads. He didn't just lead others through the mouse maze away from the cheese, he was willing to send them into danger by leading the mice to the cat (the street intersections were in bad neighborhoods).

Awesome report, thank you for the feedback.

[Midwestern]

So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "

I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.

02.

When a girl asks, "what do you offer?" I always say, "Let's meet first to see if there's chemistry. If there's chemistry, then we can discuss an agreement. ".

One would think that my response is reasonable, but many girls then take a pass on me. But I am okay with this, because these are exactly the types of girls that I would not have had chemistry with anyway. And for me chemistry is important in an arrangement. If and when it is not important, then that's when I see a WG.

[Midwestern]

But going bare is one of the reasons I like using seeking.

This topic often gets people worked up, but yeah, I am guilty of bare-backing more than I should. I used to be very strict about using a condom, but one of my long-time ATF WGs begged to go BB and we did and of course it felt great and then I became hooked. So, yes, this is another benefit of Seeking.

Recently, I shaved my entire kok, including the shaft. Bare-backing feels even more amazing, with the smooth glide.

Funny thing is that the SB that recently broke up with me, I knew her menstrual cycle very well. And so, whenever she was about to go on or off her period, I would meet up with her so that I could BB her and CIP, but when she was on her period, I told her that I was busy at work. Eventually, she figured out the pattern, and that was one of her pieces of evidence that I only cared about sex. I have to admit, she was clever to figure this out.

[Elvis 2008]

I like the gray Trojan brand but I like going bare when I do seeking. I plan on getting a vasectomy soon, but for now, you can buy plan be OTC. I finish outside the woman and give her a pill right when I am done and yes, I watch her swallow it: https://www.insider.com/how-effective-is-plan-b.

Plan be doesn't always work. It has a 95% chance of preventing pregnancy if you take it within 24 hours of having unprotected sex.

It is actually safer for pregnancy prevention than condoms: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...ve-are-condoms.

"If you use condoms perfectly every single time you have sex, they're 98% effective at preventing pregnancy. But people aren't perfect, so in real life condoms are about 85% effective — that means about 15 out of 100 people who use condoms as their only birth control method will get pregnant each year. ".

It is funny you mention the latex thing Steve because that is a huge issue with a lot of people. I have had bumps that scared me that I thought were herpes but were just a latex allergy. There are cases of people putting on latex gloves and having an anaphylactic reaction and dying.

If I saw a girl more often, I try to give her the depoprovera pregnancy shot. Here is a website where you can buy it for $14 and it lasts 3 months: https://www.ivfpharmacy.com/drug/Depo-Provera.aspx.

As the site says as long as you are using the drug for personal use, I. E. Not reselling it, it is actually legal to import it. I like giving the shot myself instead of relying on a woman saying she is taking the pill.

Everybody asks about STDs and condoms, and everyone gets all miffed about this but here is a website story that is in reference to a large government study that was buried. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/r...doms-dont-work.

On July 20, a report was issued by the USA Department of Health and Human Services. A scientific panel co-sponsored by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the USA Agency for International Development (USAID), developed the report. It was based on a yearlong study in which 28 researchers reviewed 138 peer-reviewed, published studies on the heterosexual transmission of sexually transmitted diseases (STD).

Their findings were stunning. Basically, it boils down to this: There is no evidence to indicate that condoms prevent the heterosexual transmission of most sexually transmitted diseases. None.

When used "correctly and consistently," condoms were found to reduce heterosexual HIV infection rate by 85 percent. (Which still leaves a 15 percent infection rate – not a good stat for a deadly disease.) They also found that condom use reduced the risk of gonorrhea, but only in men.

For all of the other diseases, zilch. Nothing. There is no evidence that the condom does anything to prevent transmission of these diseases.

And here's the kicker. The two diseases that the condom may offer some protection against constitute only 2 percent of all heterosexual STD cases in America. Two percent. This means that, based on overwhelming evidence, the condom does nothing to protect against 98 percent of all cases of heterosexually transmitted disease in America today.

End of quote.

This meta-analysis changed my opinion about using condoms. I was never worried about HIV. The heterosexual transmission rate is along the risks of getting hit by lightning.

So I go bare and if I have question about the girl, I take a few antibiotics or antivirals as prophylaxis against the more common STDs. Again, people get miffed about this too, so I am not going to list the drugs.

I am not recommending my regimen to anyone. It is just what I do and as long as I have followed this protocol, I have not had any issues.

But going bare is one of the reasons I like using seeking.

[Mongerer88]

Yep, we are living the dream. Kind of funny how others call us names and accuse of lying on other pages, it just makes no sense. We are just trying to help guys, but others find fault in everything, it just makes no sense. They are jealous, I try to be careful not to brag and I also try to point out the good and bad, but as you know, it is way better then anyone can imagine.

The guys on this page are great and learn something from all of them, I real appreciate there feedback and candor.

I think a lot of guys on ISG are not familiar with the principles of Who Moved My Cheese?

In this endeavor, the cheese moves all the fucking time. The age, body style, and looks of the women we pursue never changes. But the ladies themselves live in a different environment every generation.

A guy in his 70's might possibly be having sex with the actual granddaughter of a sex worker he saw when he was in his 20's.

But the granddaughter has an entirely different way of doing business than her grandma did when grandma was in her 20's.

Adapting really angers a lot of guys on ISG. A guy jumped on a lot of my posts where I summarized escort reviews and contact information, and said the commercial sex scene belongs on the streets. Yes, the streets. The granddaughter is supposed to walk the same block that her grandma did, I guess. And if granddaughter works at an FKK, I guess she should find an old yearbook with grandma's picture in it from decades ago. The irony is that poster did a link to the locations of the street scene that was inaccurate and from a website designed to get web traffic for pop-up ads. He didn't just lead others through the mouse maze away from the cheese, he was willing to send them into danger by leading the mice to the cat (the street intersections were in bad neighborhoods).

The Sugar scene is a manifestation of technology. It brings ladies into the scene that would otherwise not have participated, and it allows people to meet who otherwise would not have. But it involves payment for time, effort and product such as food that does not directly and immediately involve a penis being in a vagina, mouth or anus. It is disruptive and some view it negatively. They have some valid points, but like the most angry mouse in Who Moved My Cheese, that anger doesn't really accomplish anything. None of us have much control over things, but we have to make decisions constantly based on new facts and the principle that the only thing in life that is certain (and constant) is change. Look how much advantageous one-on-one local commercial sex interactions arranged via technology have been over other methods of obtaining commercial sex during the pandemic. The guys posting here might not have gotten much of any sex recently if it wasn't for the Sugar scene.

Personally, I had a cell phone and email full of escorts that I have seen and was able to contact the past year. Those Seeking contacts may be quite a good source over the years for a lot of guys here. Easier than always hoping a lady returns to a certain street corner, or hoping the FKK reopens. So ignore some of the haters you encounter in other threads.