Seeking Arrangements

[SfoCowboy]

I've been meeting a student after talking on SA last year. She wasn't ready for sex but wanted small allowances for just clubbing and stuff. I thought at some point she'd change. She didn’t change but she introduced me to her friend who is fine with sex. Going to meet her day after tomorrow. This is sheer luck.

Cheers!

[LshRoomer]

In the USA, I do not think you get anywhere without a price. I will say with those women "My range of giving gifts has been from $ to $$ In other countries, where the women usually are not as experienced, I find I do not have to. I say "We have to figure out what our schedules are like and I prefer to talk about these things in person. " Most actually accept that and the women are much less interested in the how much question after we meet. When the women insist on a price, they are often more ho than SB types.

I like your approach Lshroomer and understand what you are saying but I just wonder if that kind of lecturing phrase on goods and services might make a woman think, "I am not going out with this guy, he is not going to give me anything. " My goal is to get the woman to meet me so I appear generous but not to commit myself to a price because so often the women show up not looking like their pics (both better and worse) or just the woman somehow turns me off. I usually know if I want the woman after the first few minutes and usually everything outside of the price is usually forgotten about once the woman and you have a face to face meeting.

That's a good point. I'm sure some women have had the thought that I'm cheap. While others use that opportunity to start the compensation conversation and that's my goal, to have a conversation about how we can help each other. I prefer for the girl to spit out a number first and then negotiate from there. This has worked pretty well, especially when mentioning that I don't want anything transactional. I don't try to go cheap (I use regional averages), but I'm not looking to take the place of her employer either. LOL. I also like other approaches that I've heard in the responses, like lets discuss in person and see if we have chemistry. All good info guys. Keep it coming.

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[LshRoomer]

I don't know if any of you have condom advice to share but feel free to chime in. Seems like a never ending journey for me. LOL.

Stage 1 Fucking hate condoms. Why bother just stick with blowjob which is so much better.

Stage 2 Discover Japanese condoms. Okamoto 01 and 02. Really dig them but even XL is a bit tight and then I had like three break in a row. That crossed them off my list.

Stage 3 Moved to Trojan Bareskins and really like them. Quite a good feel. But Sarah says the latex gives her a rash and Layla says she's gets a UTI from latex condoms.

Stage 4 Using Skyn Elites. Like these. Non latex. Feel good but don't break. Think the Bareskins might feel a notch better. Might have to do a side by side compare with a girl that doesn't mind latex.

And avoid Durex Real Feel at all costs. They are non latex and the store was out of Skyns. I was fucking Layla the other day with one and might as well have had a condom made of football leather on. Couldn't feel a thing. Fortunately scrounged up a Skyn and finished the deed. LOL.

What's your experience?

Simple. I use SKYN. Latex condoms give me irritation.

Use or don't use?? I use. I don't diss anyone that goes bareback. It does feel amazing.

Why I use "protection"? I had an SB (19 yr old college girl) in my suite one night and after showing her some BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu), it got her all turned on due to the closeness of the guards (full guard, half guard. Any of you BJJ guys out there will know what I'm talking about), etc. She initiated. I returned the favor to see that she was already soaking wet. BBBJ was great, and at that moment, I realized that I had no condoms! I didn't think I was going to bang her that nightShe said to me, "I mean, I'm clean, so it's ok". I decided against it and just went with the BBBJ. I banged her a few times over the next month. All with condoms. She called me one day and tells me that I should go get tested bc she is positive for clym. She said that she had to call 2 other guys that both hit it raw to inform them as well. I was all good, but man, that really put it in my head to put on my seatbelt, even when taking a Sunday drive.

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[DramaFree11]

I think a lot of guys on ISG are not familiar with the principles of Who Moved My Cheese?

In this endeavor, the cheese moves all the fucking time. The age, body style, and looks of the women we pursue never changes. But the ladies themselves live in a different environment every generation.

A guy in his 70's might possibly be having sex with the actual granddaughter of a sex worker he saw when he was in his 20's.

But the granddaughter has an entirely different way of doing business than her grandma did when grandma was in her 20's.

Adapting really angers a lot of guys on ISG. A guy jumped on a lot of my posts where I summarized escort reviews and contact information, and said the commercial sex scene belongs on the streets. Yes, the streets. The granddaughter is supposed to walk the same block that her grandma did, I guess. And if granddaughter works at an FKK, I guess she should find an old yearbook with grandma's picture in it from decades ago. The irony is that poster did a link to the locations of the street scene that was inaccurate and from a website designed to get web traffic for pop-up ads. He didn't just lead others through the mouse maze away from the cheese, he was willing to send them into danger by leading the mice to the cat (the street intersections were in bad neighborhoods).

Awesome report, thank you for the feedback.

[Midwestern]

So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "

I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.

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When a girl asks, "what do you offer?" I always say, "Let's meet first to see if there's chemistry. If there's chemistry, then we can discuss an agreement. ".

One would think that my response is reasonable, but many girls then take a pass on me. But I am okay with this, because these are exactly the types of girls that I would not have had chemistry with anyway. And for me chemistry is important in an arrangement. If and when it is not important, then that's when I see a WG.

[Midwestern]

But going bare is one of the reasons I like using seeking.

This topic often gets people worked up, but yeah, I am guilty of bare-backing more than I should. I used to be very strict about using a condom, but one of my long-time ATF WGs begged to go BB and we did and of course it felt great and then I became hooked. So, yes, this is another benefit of Seeking.

Recently, I shaved my entire kok, including the shaft. Bare-backing feels even more amazing, with the smooth glide.

Funny thing is that the SB that recently broke up with me, I knew her menstrual cycle very well. And so, whenever she was about to go on or off her period, I would meet up with her so that I could BB her and CIP, but when she was on her period, I told her that I was busy at work. Eventually, she figured out the pattern, and that was one of her pieces of evidence that I only cared about sex. I have to admit, she was clever to figure this out.

[Elvis 2008]

I like the gray Trojan brand but I like going bare when I do seeking. I plan on getting a vasectomy soon, but for now, you can buy plan be OTC. I finish outside the woman and give her a pill right when I am done and yes, I watch her swallow it: https://www.insider.com/how-effective-is-plan-b.

Plan be doesn't always work. It has a 95% chance of preventing pregnancy if you take it within 24 hours of having unprotected sex.

It is actually safer for pregnancy prevention than condoms: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...ve-are-condoms.

"If you use condoms perfectly every single time you have sex, they're 98% effective at preventing pregnancy. But people aren't perfect, so in real life condoms are about 85% effective — that means about 15 out of 100 people who use condoms as their only birth control method will get pregnant each year. ".

It is funny you mention the latex thing Steve because that is a huge issue with a lot of people. I have had bumps that scared me that I thought were herpes but were just a latex allergy. There are cases of people putting on latex gloves and having an anaphylactic reaction and dying.

If I saw a girl more often, I try to give her the depoprovera pregnancy shot. Here is a website where you can buy it for $14 and it lasts 3 months: https://www.ivfpharmacy.com/drug/Depo-Provera.aspx.

As the site says as long as you are using the drug for personal use, I. E. Not reselling it, it is actually legal to import it. I like giving the shot myself instead of relying on a woman saying she is taking the pill.

Everybody asks about STDs and condoms, and everyone gets all miffed about this but here is a website story that is in reference to a large government study that was buried. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/r...doms-dont-work.

On July 20, a report was issued by the USA Department of Health and Human Services. A scientific panel co-sponsored by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the USA Agency for International Development (USAID), developed the report. It was based on a yearlong study in which 28 researchers reviewed 138 peer-reviewed, published studies on the heterosexual transmission of sexually transmitted diseases (STD).

Their findings were stunning. Basically, it boils down to this: There is no evidence to indicate that condoms prevent the heterosexual transmission of most sexually transmitted diseases. None.

When used "correctly and consistently," condoms were found to reduce heterosexual HIV infection rate by 85 percent. (Which still leaves a 15 percent infection rate – not a good stat for a deadly disease.) They also found that condom use reduced the risk of gonorrhea, but only in men.

For all of the other diseases, zilch. Nothing. There is no evidence that the condom does anything to prevent transmission of these diseases.

And here's the kicker. The two diseases that the condom may offer some protection against constitute only 2 percent of all heterosexual STD cases in America. Two percent. This means that, based on overwhelming evidence, the condom does nothing to protect against 98 percent of all cases of heterosexually transmitted disease in America today.

End of quote.

This meta-analysis changed my opinion about using condoms. I was never worried about HIV. The heterosexual transmission rate is along the risks of getting hit by lightning.

So I go bare and if I have question about the girl, I take a few antibiotics or antivirals as prophylaxis against the more common STDs. Again, people get miffed about this too, so I am not going to list the drugs.

I am not recommending my regimen to anyone. It is just what I do and as long as I have followed this protocol, I have not had any issues.

But going bare is one of the reasons I like using seeking.

[Mongerer88]

Yep, we are living the dream. Kind of funny how others call us names and accuse of lying on other pages, it just makes no sense. We are just trying to help guys, but others find fault in everything, it just makes no sense. They are jealous, I try to be careful not to brag and I also try to point out the good and bad, but as you know, it is way better then anyone can imagine.

The guys on this page are great and learn something from all of them, I real appreciate there feedback and candor.

I think a lot of guys on ISG are not familiar with the principles of Who Moved My Cheese?

In this endeavor, the cheese moves all the fucking time. The age, body style, and looks of the women we pursue never changes. But the ladies themselves live in a different environment every generation.

A guy in his 70's might possibly be having sex with the actual granddaughter of a sex worker he saw when he was in his 20's.

But the granddaughter has an entirely different way of doing business than her grandma did when grandma was in her 20's.

Adapting really angers a lot of guys on ISG. A guy jumped on a lot of my posts where I summarized escort reviews and contact information, and said the commercial sex scene belongs on the streets. Yes, the streets. The granddaughter is supposed to walk the same block that her grandma did, I guess. And if granddaughter works at an FKK, I guess she should find an old yearbook with grandma's picture in it from decades ago. The irony is that poster did a link to the locations of the street scene that was inaccurate and from a website designed to get web traffic for pop-up ads. He didn't just lead others through the mouse maze away from the cheese, he was willing to send them into danger by leading the mice to the cat (the street intersections were in bad neighborhoods).

The Sugar scene is a manifestation of technology. It brings ladies into the scene that would otherwise not have participated, and it allows people to meet who otherwise would not have. But it involves payment for time, effort and product such as food that does not directly and immediately involve a penis being in a vagina, mouth or anus. It is disruptive and some view it negatively. They have some valid points, but like the most angry mouse in Who Moved My Cheese, that anger doesn't really accomplish anything. None of us have much control over things, but we have to make decisions constantly based on new facts and the principle that the only thing in life that is certain (and constant) is change. Look how much advantageous one-on-one local commercial sex interactions arranged via technology have been over other methods of obtaining commercial sex during the pandemic. The guys posting here might not have gotten much of any sex recently if it wasn't for the Sugar scene.

Personally, I had a cell phone and email full of escorts that I have seen and was able to contact the past year. Those Seeking contacts may be quite a good source over the years for a lot of guys here. Easier than always hoping a lady returns to a certain street corner, or hoping the FKK reopens. So ignore some of the haters you encounter in other threads.

[Steve 9696]

I don't know if any of you have condom advice to share but feel free to chime in. Seems like a never ending journey for me. LOL.

Stage 1 Fucking hate condoms. Why bother just stick with blowjob which is so much better.

Stage 2 Discover Japanese condoms. Okamoto 01 and 02. Really dig them but even XL is a bit tight and then I had like three break in a row. That crossed them off my list.

Stage 3 Moved to Trojan Bareskins and really like them. Quite a good feel. But Sarah says the latex gives her a rash and Layla says she's gets a UTI from latex condoms.

Stage 4 Using Skyn Elites. Like these. Non latex. Feel good but don't break. Think the Bareskins might feel a notch better. Might have to do a side by side compare with a girl that doesn't mind latex.

And avoid Durex Real Feel at all costs. They are non latex and the store was out of Skyns. I was fucking Layla the other day with one and might as well have had a condom made of football leather on. Couldn't feel a thing. Fortunately scrounged up a Skyn and finished the deed. LOL.

What's your experience?

[Steve 9696]

Love it when you guys kick off a dialog. So much good stuff in here.

I read The Game a year or two ago and while some of it is absolute crap the negging and the flamboyance and all, a lot of it is very good. I can't recall if it's that book or the Unchained Man perhaps that talks about how we have allowed ourselves as men to be made second class citizens to entitled women who provide little I return. And oh how that resonates with me!

A lot of the stuff in that book (or the Unchained Male. I have them confused) is the basis for Nanpa street pickup in Japan and man had that shit been helpful have a plan, keep a strong frame, lead the girl, escalate, push and pull. Maybe you guys are all great at that shit but for a guy who hadn't dated in 40 years it's like gold. Especially since I seem to run across more newbies than the average joe. I recommend you go to AttractionJapan and read some of the blogs and then the newsgroup there. It has an interesting format where everyone describes their journey in a single thread. Really interesting. Some guys just slaying it. Others beginning their journey. It's great reading if you are intrigued by the male female dynamic, plus you pick up useful pointers.

On the $$ thing I find that I prefer to sort it early. Again because of Newbie status. Girls have some outrageous ideas from reading blogs. I had a girl in NYC where we had absolutely the best time and I gave her $400 and she ghosted me. I got her to confess why and she said she had an awesome time but thought it would be $1000 based on what she's read. Funny part is she didn't mind the $400 but was beating herself up about how awful she must be in bed for me to discount her to $400. LOL. Poor thing. Nice girl.

And same thing with Sarah. When we started to fade I got her to confess and she said she just thought there'the be a lot more money in it (I was giving her $300-350).

With a new girl I am exploring, we covered it up front very delicately. But even the "what do you consider a complete relationship" discussion (ie are we fucking?) I had to handle carefully. She said she doesn't just give herself away easily and needs to get to know me. I told her I understood but it's the 21st century and most girls are comfortable to get intimate on date 1 or Date 2 and I don't need a prolonged romance. She was cool with that. I took the pressure off her by saying we would only kiss on date 1 no matter how much she begs me. I used this approach with Sarah and was barebacking on date 2. So we will see how it goes but it seems they like the "give" on my part, the humor, and it let's then engage. We will see very soon how it turns out!

[DramaFree11]

Yeah, I was really shocked by how nice the women were. In the past, I thought MTY was so close to the border and some had American attitudes. Not this time. They did everything I wanted: no clock watching, no running out the door. I just could not believe how sweet and accommodating the women were.

Yep, we are living the dream. Kind of funny how others call us names and accuse of lying on other pages, it just makes no sense. We are just trying to help guys, but others find fault in everything, it just makes no sense. They are jealous, I try to be careful not to brag and I also try to point out the good and bad, but as you know, it is way better then anyone can imagine.

The guys on this page are great and learn something from all of them, I real appreciate there feedback and candor.

[Elvis 2008]

So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "

I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.

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In the USA, I do not think you get anywhere without a price. I will say with those women "My range of giving gifts has been from $ to $$ In other countries, where the women usually are not as experienced, I find I do not have to. I say "We have to figure out what our schedules are like and I prefer to talk about these things in person. " Most actually accept that and the women are much less interested in the how much question after we meet. When the women insist on a price, they are often more ho than SB types.

I like your approach Lshroomer and understand what you are saying but I just wonder if that kind of lecturing phrase on goods and services might make a woman think, "I am not going out with this guy, he is not going to give me anything. " My goal is to get the woman to meet me so I appear generous but not to commit myself to a price because so often the women show up not looking like their pics (both better and worse) or just the woman somehow turns me off. I usually know if I want the woman after the first few minutes and usually everything outside of the price is usually forgotten about once the woman and you have a face to face meeting.

[Elvis 2008]

A girl stood you up for a first date, but still asked you for money, and then she threatened to block you when you ignored her? Jeezus fxxxing Khrist. Is she out of her mind?! Does even one guy out of a hundred fall for this? LOL, man..

As Gene pointed out, I see this kind of crap from American women all the time. I was a little surprised to see it in Mexico. There is so much loneliness in the USA, my friend told me about men paying hundreds just to have women to talk with them. That sounds crazy to me.

One of the things that my friend and I talked about too was the book The Game by Neil Strauss. Here are some of the techniques written about in the book:

Make yourself seem like the most fun and interesting person in the room.

Confuse your target (the woman you're trying to hit on) with negs, which are backhanded compliments or vague insults.

Use gimmicks, such as magic tricks and ESP tests, to impress and intrigue her.

Maintain a push-pull balance, in order to keep her engaged and wanting more. For example, if your conversation with a woman is going well and you show that you're interested in her, then look around the club for a moment, as if you're distracted or looking for someone else.

Never be the aggressor. For example, lead the woman into offering her phone number—but never explicitly ask for it.

So many men think they are so much smarter than women but beautiful women have a lot more interactions with men than vice versa, and the women I know see guys using The Game techniques a mile away. They are laugh at some of these techniques and are annoyed at the negging.

My friend told me that the Game techniques do work on her stupid friends and told me that the women I hang out with just happened to be smart. I honestly had not thought about that, but I realized she was right. It is not that I screen for intelligence as much as just wean out stupid women like this one.

From what I have seen for every legit guy like those on this forum, there are 50 scam artists on seeking trying to rip women off and get free pussy. A woman showed me her messages, and I could pick out the scammers a mile away. In fact, we picked out the same legit guys. The women who say "Don't waste my time" I suspect are usually the ones who cannot screen well.

I suspect that crazy woman would be vulnerable to the Game techniques.

[DramaFree11]

Some of these girls live on another planet. One girl in Amsterdam told me that 2000 eu is the norm for her allowance and she doesn't see how a girl can settle for anything less. LOL.

2000 euro / mo with no tax is what some people make as their monthly wage.

So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "

I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.

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Yep, I have had a couple girls quote me $500 in MTY for 2-3 hours of run, lately. I laugh, sometimes they negotiate others try to hold there ground. Things are getting rough in Mexico and I image other places. I think prices might start coming down. I real do not worry about $25-50, but will not go above $200, unless a very rare case and she better be model hot. Good luck, great post.

[LshRoomer]

There are great and smart girls on SA and those are the ones I end up with. But I continue to be dumbfounded by the ignorance or arrogance of so many. Girls who post "I want to be spoiled and go on trips and stuff. " And that's it. No discussion of what they bring to the party and why I will want to be with them. Does this really work? Last thing I want is a girl that leads with I want money and have nothing to give in return.

I contacted one girl who was even more direct. Something like "I'm a spoiled little be*tch" and asked her if that really works. She pretty much bitched me out and said it does. OK. Good luck with that.

Some of these girls live on another planet. One girl in Amsterdam told me that 2000 eu is the norm for her allowance and she doesn't see how a girl can settle for anything less. LOL.

2000 euro / mo with no tax is what some people make as their monthly wage.

So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "

I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.

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