Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Trying out SA at my local city in North America and it's a lot of work.

Getting overpriced amateur escorts.

Reading through the thread seems like seeking is best in the Latin American countries.

Yeah it's been documented here exhaustively that it takes a bunch of work. And can vary depending on your city. And of course USA is most expensive pussy on the planet thanks to our Puritanical laws and culture of sex shaming. But what specifically are you seeing? No one at the 400-500 price point? Because they def exist tho a lot of work. What are you seeing?

[Nachoy]

Trying out SA at my local city in North America and it's a lot of work.

Getting overpriced amateur escorts.

Reading through the thread seems like seeking is best in the Latin American countries.

[DramaFree11]

I cannot believe I am going to defend American women but about 90% of women have kids when they are 40. Many are swimming in student loan debt being fed the nonsense about the value of a college education even a nonSTEM one.

There was a video of a hottie on Twitter that was being shown of a woman who had a job and was spending 12 hours a day between work and commuting griping that she had time for nothing else, and she was one that actually had a job. Most reactions to her complaining was "Get over it" but mine was "Remember how oppressed you women claim to be in the 50's being house wives? Doesn't that sound good now?" Studies on happiness show women were happier than they are now. It is not just the colleges that have lied to women but those feminist virtues of having your own career do not sound all that great when you actually are stuck having to do the work.

If you are a woman making an average salary and have children, you are literally going to be saving nothing and probably going into more debt, and you better pray you do not have a special needs child with something like ADHD or autism.

Unless they are in school or delusional, most women do not have the luxury of taking into account looks. If you want to be a stay at home mother, your husband better be making $200 k and that is less than 1% of all men 30 years of age. It goes up to 5% when you move up to age 45 so tall, dark, and handsome is not a luxury most women can afford.

When I was a kid, an 18 year old could get a job at the local factory and pay for his own house. His wife could stay at home. He could afford a new car every year and have steaks on the weekend. Those days are long gone.

This new dynamic plays right into the hands of us sugar daddies. What else are you going to do if you are a woman looking to make a few grand a month? This is why sugaring exploded particularly after the 2009 Great Recession.

I asked one of my SB if she was ashamed of having a sugar daddy. She told me she was not ashamed. In fact, she said most of her friends were envious she had a sugar daddy and they did not.

But I get where you are coming from and thinking about what is "just women". There seems to be no spotlight being shined on the troubles the average American woman is having.

One reason I so preferred the Mexican and Colombian women in comparison to the American ones was the lack of desperation for money. There was always talk of money before sex with American women but not always with the Latinas. The Latin women almost always seems to have massive family support and American women at best would have their mothers helping them out. For all the talk about how great the USA is, I sure do not see it when it comes to happiness.

Young American women, even the hot ones, IMO really are living lives of quiet desperation.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I thought more Mexican worked, but too my amazement many will do anything not to work. Including joining SA, among many other things and many of those activities do not involve sex. They all tell me how stressed out they are, but when I compare their lives to American Chicks, in many ways they have it way better. Now they do not have all the material things that Americans have, but many take several vacation a year and live a decent life, with far less stress.

American women have it very tough now, a lot of this is from the feminist movement and trying to have everything equal. Now they have it and they are having to work their ass off, plus raise a family. So I also feel bad from them now, but this does not excuse their crazy ass behavior and unrealistic expectations.

I do not claim to say what girls have it better.

[Elvis 2008]

Because the only other possible excuse a woman could come up with for wanting to know about a man's money, is because she doesn't want men leaching off of her. If you are a gainfully employed woman or a woman who has sufficient assets to support your lifestyle without a man, there's not any other reason in the entire world why you would be concerned about how much money a guy has. Otherwise, they wouldn't be paying attention to beautiful muscular stud muffins who are penniless. The truth is their egos are just too bloated to acknowledge they are prostitutes hiding in disguise If we went back to the 18th century where women were not allowed to vote, and had very limited opportunities to work, I might not be making this argument. Barring that, I'm inclined to believe most women in the US are prostitutes, it's just that some are more selective than others, and less open about their sexuality. So in this instance, thumbs up to the conventional sex workers.

I cannot believe I am going to defend American women but about 90% of women have kids when they are 40. Many are swimming in student loan debt being fed the nonsense about the value of a college education even a nonSTEM one.

There was a video of a hottie on Twitter that was being shown of a woman who had a job and was spending 12 hours a day between work and commuting griping that she had time for nothing else, and she was one that actually had a job. Most reactions to her complaining was "Get over it" but mine was "Remember how oppressed you women claim to be in the 50's being house wives? Doesn't that sound good now?" Studies on happiness show women were happier than they are now. It is not just the colleges that have lied to women but those feminist virtues of having your own career do not sound all that great when you actually are stuck having to do the work.

If you are a woman making an average salary and have children, you are literally going to be saving nothing and probably going into more debt, and you better pray you do not have a special needs child with something like ADHD or autism.

Because the only women who pick up their dates without taking money into account are doing so based solely on the guys demeanor and or being tall, dark and handsome. Those aren't prostitutes, those are just women.

Unless they are in school or delusional, most women do not have the luxury of taking into account looks. If you want to be a stay at home mother, your husband better be making $200 k and that is less than 1% of all men 30 years of age. It goes up to 5% when you move up to age 45 so tall, dark, and handsome is not a luxury most women can afford.

When I was a kid, an 18 year old could get a job at the local factory and pay for his own house. His wife could stay at home. He could afford a new car every year and have steaks on the weekend. Those days are long gone.

This new dynamic plays right into the hands of us sugar daddies. What else are you going to do if you are a woman looking to make a few grand a month? This is why sugaring exploded particularly after the 2009 Great Recession.

I asked one of my SB if she was ashamed of having a sugar daddy. She told me she was not ashamed. In fact, she said most of her friends were envious she had a sugar daddy and they did not.

But I get where you are coming from and thinking about what is "just women". There seems to be no spotlight being shined on the troubles the average American woman is having.

One reason I so preferred the Mexican and Colombian women in comparison to the American ones was the lack of desperation for money. There was always talk of money before sex with American women but not always with the Latinas. The Latin women almost always seems to have massive family support and American women at best would have their mothers helping them out. For all the talk about how great the USA is, I sure do not see it when it comes to happiness.

Young American women, even the hot ones, IMO really are living lives of quiet desperation.

[VulcanSx]

Long time reader. Used seeking in 10+ countries. My type is model material Caucasian women.

Currently with a 10/10 in Serbia for 350 euro per meet (think Margot Robbie with bigger boobs) she mentioned some guys pay her 1000+ per day for travel.

Other cities that I've had success:

Warsaw.

Bucharest.

Moscow.

Riga.

Vienna.

Pondering where to lounge long term, would prefer some place warm all year.

[Gfefan]

Same here. Paranoid initially but grew over it.

One public pic that shows my back / silhouette. Can't say it's me.

Private pic shows face and body. This is also the same pic if someone image searched will be found on a public community page.

If caught, my reasoning. Someone picked my pic from that site.

If SB does the same. She will know my real name, what I do etc. Either no SB has done it so far or they are smart to not tell me they know who I am.

For me, the benefit of denial far outweighs the cost of SB knowing who I am.

I mitigate by not sharing my private pic with all girls I chat with.

I also date SBs outside my race. Perhaps, not always 8/9 but never my own race. It's boring.

I was paranoid originally but two things happened.

1) I've considered plausible deniability. Excuse that someone is boosting my pic from somewhere. I put one public pic wearing sunglasses and everything else remains private.

2) the scientist in me did some experimenting and I definitely got more responses to my approaches than by not by making one or more pics public.

I am not an Adonis by any stretch of the imagination but someone needs to "go first" and it's a disarming tool. Women aren't as hung up on looks as we are, I think that's a cold hard fact. Knowing I'm not a fat slob, have two heads, or are 100 yrs old is really all they're looking for. I regularly "date" outside of my race, in fact I only date outside my race, and I'm not being humble when I say I'm dating up. I only see 8/9-10's.

What I'd do is do what makes you comfortable at first. If you don't like the results, show a pic and see what happens.

[FilthyBeaver]

I was paranoid originally but two things happened.

1) I've considered plausible deniability. Excuse that someone is boosting my pic from somewhere. I put one public pic wearing sunglasses and everything else remains private.

2) the scientist in me did some experimenting and I definitely got more responses to my approaches than by not by making one or more pics public.

I am not an Adonis by any stretch of the imagination but someone needs to "go first" and it's a disarming tool. Women aren't as hung up on looks as we are, I think that's a cold hard fact. Knowing I'm not a fat slob, have two heads, or are 100 yrs old is really all they're looking for. I regularly "date" outside of my race, in fact I only date outside my race, and I'm not being humble when I say I'm dating up. I only see 8/9-10's.

What I'd do is do what makes you comfortable at first. If you don't like the results, show a pic and see what happens.

Hi gents, I've been reading and contributing to the forums on FKKs and the escort scene in various countries, and now I'm interested in starting with Seeking to get the more genuine GFE-type experiences that you all have described. I thank you all (especially guys like Steve 9696) for the helpful guides & tips in this thread, which have helped me understand some of the basics (establish PPM pricing upfront without going straight there, close the deal on the first date, use hotels even in your own city, and so on). I'm now interested in finding some SBs in London later this month, so I'll be paying for the Seeking membership and getting my profile ready. But I'm wondering what to put in my profile to maximize the chance of attracting girls there. Sorry if I missed the postings on this, but some things I'm wondering:

- My own profile photo: Would I need to post a profile picture at all? We all value our anonymity, so I'd rather not have photos posted, but is this a necessity? If so, I guess you'd blur your face or something? I've read some guidance with other tips (e. G. , hint at some wealth / income in the picture (s) without being obnoxious about it), but I wonder if I need pictures at all, and if there's any guidance on this.

- Some of the girls' profiles mention that they might ask for my photos. I'd also rather not have a girl be able to save my photo, so if this happens, I think I'd rather just tell the girl we should have a video chat to see each other. There's still a risk of screenshot, but it seems lower than sending a picture. Are girls usually ok with this, or is there any other guidance?

Thanks in advance for your guidance.

[Steve 9696]

Hi gents, I've been reading and contributing to the forums on FKKs and the escort scene in various countries, and now I'm interested in starting with Seeking to get the more genuine GFE-type experiences that you all have described. I thank you all (especially guys like Steve 9696) for the helpful guides & tips in this thread, which have helped me understand some of the basics (establish PPM pricing upfront without going straight there, close the deal on the first date, use hotels even in your own city, and so on). I'm now interested in finding some SBs in London later this month, so I'll be paying for the Seeking membership and getting my profile ready. But I'm wondering what to put in my profile to maximize the chance of attracting girls there. Sorry if I missed the postings on this, but some things I'm wondering:

- My own profile photo: Would I need to post a profile picture at all? We all value our anonymity, so I'd rather not have photos posted, but is this a necessity? If so, I guess you'd blur your face or something? I've read some guidance with other tips (e. G. , hint at some wealth / income in the picture (s) without being obnoxious about it), but I wonder if I need pictures at all, and if there's any guidance on this.

- Some of the girls' profiles mention that they might ask for my photos. I'd also rather not have a girl be able to save my photo, so if this happens, I think I'd rather just tell the girl we should have a video chat to see each other. There's still a risk of screenshot, but it seems lower than sending a picture. Are girls usually ok with this, or is there any other guidance?

Thanks in advance for your guidance.

You def don't need a profile photo. I don't have one and most guys I know don't. Doesn't seem a deterrent at all. In my profile I do say that I am happy to send on WhatsApp or text. I used to be more paranoid about this. But I've found that any girl I take over to chat (hundreds in last few years) is just a regular girl trying to figure this shit out. She has way too much drama in her life to even have time to do something nefarious with your photo.

FWIW if you are really paranoid you can create a close approximation. For Facebook, which is the primary hookup method in Medellin, I rally needed one. I used face morphing app on my phone to blend my face with the celebrity I look most like. It worked shockingly well. Def similar enough to not be called out but different enough that it could never lead to harm.

One more recent thing I did, after I wrote my guide was to add a couple clarifications at the bottom of my profile. I don't remember the exact words but something like "I am am looking for complete SBSD, not arm candy or a friend. " To be clear that I expect sex. And also said something like "we have to chat to figure this out so if you answer me with one or two words we are probably not a match. ".

Best of luck. Feel free to hit me up on PM if you need any other more personalized advice.

[NF4591]

Hi gents, I've been reading and contributing to the forums on FKKs and the escort scene in various countries, and now I'm interested in starting with Seeking to get the more genuine GFE-type experiences that you all have described. I thank you all (especially guys like Steve 9696) for the helpful guides & tips in this thread, which have helped me understand some of the basics (establish PPM pricing upfront without going straight there, close the deal on the first date, use hotels even in your own city, and so on). I'm now interested in finding some SBs in London later this month, so I'll be paying for the Seeking membership and getting my profile ready. But I'm wondering what to put in my profile to maximize the chance of attracting girls there. Sorry if I missed the postings on this, but some things I'm wondering:

- My own profile photo: Would I need to post a profile picture at all? We all value our anonymity, so I'd rather not have photos posted, but is this a necessity? If so, I guess you'd blur your face or something? I've read some guidance with other tips (e. G. , hint at some wealth / income in the picture (s) without being obnoxious about it), but I wonder if I need pictures at all, and if there's any guidance on this.

- Some of the girls' profiles mention that they might ask for my photos. I'd also rather not have a girl be able to save my photo, so if this happens, I think I'd rather just tell the girl we should have a video chat to see each other. There's still a risk of screenshot, but it seems lower than sending a picture. Are girls usually ok with this, or is there any other guidance?

Thanks in advance for your guidance.

[RockyX]

I never watched a cam girl before but today I was bored, so I logged onto free cuckold chat website. Between the bored sounding chicks begging for tips to apparently start a vibrator for 3 seconds, to the music in the background being played through a potato, to the weird comment dudes in the chat and the chick constantly reaching over to peck out shit on a keyboard while the guy struggles to keep his dick hard, I totally don't get it. Wouldn't it be more fun to blow a load to a good porn vid instead.

[VanessasClient]

This just isn't what happens to me. It's work, I don't think anybody argues against that. I have a type so maybe my type doesn't do this but I'd be weary of anybody talking about a long term arrangement without actually meeting me first. Any serious girl would understand this as well. You must be drawn to the prostitutes on the site, and there are plenty.

I should get a concrete answer from my "semi novia" by Christmas as to when she's going to be back in South America. For all I know she might actually leave Europe up before then. That should at least allow me to make an educated decision as to whether I want to pursue Seeking again. If she's available, it would be pointless because she's probably more beautiful than any other girl I've seen in my entire life, that includes seeing crowds of hundreds of thousands of women at the Olympics and other sporting events with legions of people. I can't say I'm a big fan of her numerous tattoos but that's about my only complaint. If I do wind up trying Seeking again in other countries I will give you guys some feedback if I have a better experience.

On the note of prostitutes, I think Miriam Webster's dictionary needs to revise their definition. From my way of thinking, any woman who sees the quantity of money as a deciding factor in determining which man she interacts with either romantically or sexually, is a prostitute. What makes the girls on Eros and Slixa different than the girls on match.com and eHarmony, is that the ones on the former don't typically discriminate based on your appearance, religion, or sense of humor. Whereas the ones on the latter would typically want you to be a good Christian man who wants to raise kids and perhaps has a master's degree. IN ADDITION to looking for money. That, and the less obvious prostitutes may not necessarily offer sex on the first date. Because the only women who pick up their dates without taking money into account are doing so based solely on the guys demeanor and or being tall, dark and handsome. Those aren't prostitutes, those are just women.

Because the only other possible excuse a woman could come up with for wanting to know about a man's money, is because she doesn't want men leaching off of her. If you are a gainfully employed woman or a woman who has sufficient assets to support your lifestyle without a man, there's not any other reason in the entire world why you would be concerned about how much money a guy has. Otherwise, they wouldn't be paying attention to beautiful muscular stud muffins who are penniless. The truth is their egos are just too bloated to acknowledge they are prostitutes hiding in disguise If we went back to the 18th century where women were not allowed to vote, and had very limited opportunities to work, I might not be making this argument. Barring that, I'm inclined to believe most women in the US are prostitutes, it's just that some are more selective than others, and less open about their sexuality. So in this instance, thumbs up to the conventional sex workers.

[HumbleHal]

All the stupid bitches wanted to talk about from the very first sentence was "How much are you willing to give me each month for the next year?" Not "Hi, how are you, how was your day?" The very first thing out of their goddamn mouths was how much money they wanted per month, and they wanted it immediately before discussing anything else.

They are looking for a sucker. I have not been on that site for over 2 years and am happy recycling my old sugar babies. 200 is my rate, sometimes up to 300. Nothing more.

[Elvis 2008]

The main thing is:

If the subscription cost is too much for you, SA is probably not for you to begin with.

I agree with you and DF on this point totally.

But more to the point, you just mentioned the real problem I had with Seeking, which now that I think about it wasn't the monthly cost, though I still think it's exorbitant. Once I logged into my account to check the pricing, I think back to all the messages I sent to girls on there, and the people I attempted to communicate with. The real problem was that immediately upon contacting these retarded gringos, they would demand a signed contract stating a $5,000 monthly allowance. Not only did no one want to meet first without being guaranteed a long term, ongoing monthly payment, no one even wanted to video chat to confirm that they were the same girl from the pictures. All the stupid bitches wanted to talk about from the very first sentence was "How much are you willing to give me each month for the next year?" Not "Hi, how are you, how was your day?" The very first thing out of their goddamn mouths was how much money they wanted per month, and they wanted it immediately before discussing anything else. So thus I must be convinced that girls from Mexico, or DR, or Brazil aren't going to behave exactly the same way.

And I'm kind of curious. I know that cell phones have proliferated in 3rd world countries compared to say 2005. So have cell phone towers and service, especially now in 2023 if you look at South America, and to a significantly lesser extent, even Africa. But what I'm really curious about is why would all these girls choose to get on Seeking if it is a service that has been primarily scrutinized in the America media? Whereas Tinder for instance is used in other countries. I don't know how Seeking got publicity overseas, but I'm wondering what would cause all of these Latinas to see themselves as sugar babies, and not act the same way on Seeking that American women do?

There is no question that there is overlap with working women and seeking, and there are tons of scam artists on there, and it sucked weeding through them. Thing is we have all these wankers who think their street walkers and average looking MILF types are equal to the best of what is on seeking. Just tune those guys out. They cannot handle guys doing better than them.

I was in far West Texas and heard a woman there say, "I need to find a sugar daddy and have him fly me to the Caribbean for a vacation", and she was a professional. This is literally the buckle of the Bible belt. You would never hear that with a hooker and her clients out in the open. I am sure that woman was on seeking.

As for South America, it has been a while for me, but half the women had never been on a date before and had to be educated on what seeking was. The average Colombian makes $500 a month, so $90 or so is huge for them. Only the most wealthy can afford it. If you are a Colombian woman and want to meet a well to do foreigner and be taken seriously, seeking is the way to go.

[FilthyBeaver]

This just isn't what happens to me. It's work, I don't think anybody argues against that. I have a type so maybe my type doesn't do this but I'd be weary of anybody talking about a long term arrangement without actually meeting me first. Any serious girl would understand this as well. You must be drawn to the prostitutes on the site, and there are plenty.

That's why I'm on this forum. I met the girl in EU during the tail end of 2022. We didn't take the trip until the 2nd quarter of this year. I haven't seen her since July, now we are in December; she had to go back to EU and she's still there, otherwise I would have just seen her in South America in October. I'm trying to get advice from people on this forum about Central and South America. I wish the guy who was just talking about Monterrey in Mexico would PM me with links to some of the girls he has seen.

But more to the point, you just mentioned the real problem I had with Seeking, which now that I think about it wasn't the monthly cost, though I still think it's exorbitant. Once I logged into my account to check the pricing, I think back to all the messages I sent to girls on there, and the people I attempted to communicate with. The real problem was that immediately upon contacting these retarded gringos, they would demand a signed contract stating a $5,000 monthly allowance. Not only did no one want to meet first without being guaranteed a long term, ongoing monthly payment, no one even wanted to video chat to confirm that they were the same girl from the pictures. All the stupid bitches wanted to talk about from the very first sentence was "How much are you willing to give me each month for the next year?" Not "Hi, how are you, how was your day?" The very first thing out of their goddamn mouths was how much money they wanted per month, and they wanted it immediately before discussing anything else. So thus I must be convinced that girls from Mexico, or DR, or Brazil aren't going to behave exactly the same way.

[VanessasClient]

They go on seeking not looking for the same girls you can easily find elsewhere. They filter them out. They also don't look for girls by hour. Your cost calculation is off if it is based on PPM.

It seems you are stuck with only 1 who you can't easily meet. To use your own argument against you, why go to Europe and pay twice than you need to meet a Latin American girl?

That's why I'm on this forum. I met the girl in EU during the tail end of 2022. We didn't take the trip until the 2nd quarter of this year. I haven't seen her since July, now we are in December; she had to go back to EU and she's still there, otherwise I would have just seen her in South America in October. I'm trying to get advice from people on this forum about Central and South America. I wish the guy who was just talking about Monterrey in Mexico would PM me with links to some of the girls he has seen.

But more to the point, you just mentioned the real problem I had with Seeking, which now that I think about it wasn't the monthly cost, though I still think it's exorbitant. Once I logged into my account to check the pricing, I think back to all the messages I sent to girls on there, and the people I attempted to communicate with. The real problem was that immediately upon contacting these retarded gringos, they would demand a signed contract stating a $5,000 monthly allowance. Not only did no one want to meet first without being guaranteed a long term, ongoing monthly payment, no one even wanted to video chat to confirm that they were the same girl from the pictures. All the stupid bitches wanted to talk about from the very first sentence was "How much are you willing to give me each month for the next year?" Not "Hi, how are you, how was your day?" The very first thing out of their goddamn mouths was how much money they wanted per month, and they wanted it immediately before discussing anything else. So thus I must be convinced that girls from Mexico, or DR, or Brazil aren't going to behave exactly the same way.

And I'm kind of curious. I know that cell phones have proliferated in 3rd world countries compared to say 2005. So have cell phone towers and service, especially now in 2023 if you look at South America, and to a significantly lesser extent, even Africa. But what I'm really curious about is why would all these girls choose to get on Seeking if it is a service that has been primarily scrutinized in the America media? Whereas Tinder for instance is used in other countries. I don't know how Seeking got publicity overseas, but I'm wondering what would cause all of these Latinas to see themselves as sugar babies, and not act the same way on Seeking that American women do?