Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

I really think the past day or two on this thread are apples and oranges discussions. If you want a sure thing, get an escort, if you want something in the gray area and enjoy (steve)/ put up with (me) the hunt and associated awards that are well documented, then use seeking.

Someone has said this before, but it's absolutely true. Once a girl bangs you she'll always bang you. Unless you piss her off or give her some reason not to. I don't consider myself to have a "stable" but there are girls that I've seen a few times and things just kind of ended on their own or never really took off with no official "break" but I could call any one of them tomorrow and I know they'd meet me for dinner with implied sex afterward of they weren't seeing someone and half of them would see me if even if they were seeing someone.

I too am about the chase, I love it, but I am not stupid when I have something good I stick with it. There are 4 girls in MTY, that I have been seeing since Covid, all 4 are great girls and total freaks, but traveling to MTY is rough now. Driving is horrible, it now takes 2 additional hours with all the traffic now and yes, I can fly to CDMX cheaper then MTY. It makes no sense, that a a flight to MTY is so expensive in Texas. So I am pretty much sticking with CDMX now.

In CDMX I am seeing 5-7 girls regularly and always looking for new ones. I can not complain my life is amazing and a large part of that is directly from.

SA. SA has totally changed my life for the better.

There is a lot of haters about SA, and we all agree it is tough in the states. But of the guys that post regularly I never recall any of us telling guys not to use every option to meet chicks. (Twitter, Escorts, other on-line options.). Hell, Elvis even suggested handing out cards. It works, when I was in Kiev / Moscow all my Italian friends would use this. It is tough, but it works. So I will never understand why some constantly Hate on SA. It just makes no sense and $90 a month is nothing.

[Gfefan]

Exactly. If I need to get off, meet an escort for an hour or two. Euro girls escort has quite a few. And, my regular is from there. But I will never take her out for dinner or dip in without condom.

If I need experience, hang out, chat, flirt, play a little cat and mouse game and then bed the chick, preferably without condom, seeking it is.

Apples and oranges, like someone said.

I really think the past day or two on this thread are apples and oranges discussions. If you want a sure thing, get an escort, if you want something in the gray area and enjoy (steve)/ put up with (me) the hunt and associated awards that are well documented, then use seeking.

Someone has said this before, but it's absolutely true. Once a girl bangs you she'll always bang you. Unless you piss her off or give her some reason not to. I don't consider myself to have a "stable" but there are girls that I've seen a few times and things just kind of ended on their own or never really took off with no official "break" but I could call any one of them tomorrow and I know they'd meet me for dinner with implied sex afterward of they weren't seeing someone and half of them would see me if even if they were seeing someone.

[The Cane]

Have they defined a prostitute? Is it anybody you give money to for a sex act (to include seeking college girls) or is it only pros (AMPS, fkks, escorts, etc)? Probably best that he not have that conversation with her but wondering if you know.

My wife and I had that conversation about pros before we were married she said fine until it wasn't. As long as money changed hands my conscience was clear and I'd stick to pros. Seeking is a rather new, post divorce, experience as I don't even think it existed when we got married.

At the time there was no Seeking. So "prostitute" meant fucking pros for money. I don't know how Seeking fits (or doesn't) within their equation now.

[FilthyBeaver]

Have they defined a prostitute? Is it anybody you give money to for a sex act (to include seeking college girls) or is it only pros (AMPS, fkks, escorts, etc)? Probably best that he not have that conversation with her but wondering if you know.

My wife and I had that conversation about pros before we were married she said fine until it wasn't. As long as money changed hands my conscience was clear and I'd stick to pros. Seeking is a rather new, post divorce, experience as I don't even think it existed when we got married.

This is so spot on! I have a friend who is in a sexless marriage. It's not that they don't love each other. They do, and they're still together. But, his wife (who I know) just lost interest in having sex. At the same time, she realized that her husband still had needs. So, she agreed that he could see tutes. She had just two rules. Number 1 was never, ever bring another woman into her house. And number 2 don't spend too much money (I don't know where they set the limit here). So, what you're talking about is for real. I'll tell you another thing too. I was shocked to learn how common it is to be fucking another man's wife with his knowledge and consent (cuckoldry). But that's another discussion for another time and place!

[The Cane]

On top of that, there was this Men's right guy doing a video on how to fix a sexless marriage. His #1 piece of advice was if you are not getting in your marriage was to talk to your wife and see about getting it outside the marriage and paying for it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx53je5_I1c. he counsels tons of men and said he was shocked at how many wives were okay with a man being out and having his fun. In fact, wives preferred if men paid for it.

This is so spot on! I have a friend who is in a sexless marriage. It's not that they don't love each other. They do, and they're still together. But, his wife (who I know) just lost interest in having sex. At the same time, she realized that her husband still had needs. So, she agreed that he could see tutes. She had just two rules. Number 1 was never, ever bring another woman into her house. And number 2 don't spend too much money (I don't know where they set the limit here). So, what you're talking about is for real. I'll tell you another thing too. I was shocked to learn how common it is to be fucking another man's wife with his knowledge and consent (cuckoldry). But that's another discussion for another time and place!

[Nounce]

Well, I guess just from my way of thinking, ....

They go on seeking not looking for the same girls you can easily find elsewhere. They filter them out. They also don't look for girls by hour. Your cost calculation is off if it is based on PPM.

It seems you are stuck with only 1 who you can't easily meet. To use your own argument against you, why go to Europe and pay twice than you need to meet a Latin American girl?

[Elvis 2008]

There's plenty of beautiful talent in the USA for $1,000+ an hour.

But the minute the hour is over (or even sooner) they are out the door. Following Dramafree's advice, during the pandemic, I had five to ten women in Monterrey, Mexico, which is an hour flight from my house at my beck and call, I met through seeking. I know it is more now but I was getting ridiculous talent at the $100 to $200 level, and my hotel room was $50. The best of these women were easily worth a $1000 because I could spend all day fucking them.

It sucks that the peso has gone down versus the dollar because Mexico is easier than ever. Cancun and Mexico City have facial recognition stations and customs, which used to be an hours long chore, is now done in less than 15 minutes. With Global Entry, I am through USA customs always in less than 5 minutes, and you do not get the third degree with Global Entry. The huge hassles with traveling abroad IMO are gone now.

In any case, I suppose I'll give Seeking another shot the next time I'm out of the country, assuming my other girl isn't accessible to me at the time.

Yeah, I agree with that. I got hooked on this white underbelly channel, and there was this fascinating interview with this pimp here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbndAaZjRzg.

If you go the 36:13 mark, you will see him talking about his opinion about where this "human trafficking" element came from. Like with so many things, I swear the criminals seem more moral than the government.

I am not sure this is all of it. I think government officials think any money made illegally is theirs like with prostitution. The rest of the world seems to be giving human trafficking lip service but this has been an American led "crisis" decades in the making.

On top of that, there was this Men's right guy doing a video on how to fix a sexless marriage. His #1 piece of advice was if you are not getting in your marriage was to talk to your wife and see about getting it outside the marriage and paying for it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx53je5_I1c. he counsels tons of men and said he was shocked at how many wives were okay with a man being out and having his fun. In fact, wives preferred if men paid for it.

The point is the USA governments are so fucked up with this "human trafficking" nonsense that guys should be going abroad for sex. The punishment these days for getting caught is insane.

[FilthyBeaver]

I really think the past day or two on this thread are apples and oranges discussions. If you want a sure thing, get an escort, if you want something in the gray area and enjoy (steve)/ put up with (me) the hunt and associated awards that are well documented, then use seeking.

Someone has said this before, but it's absolutely true. Once a girl bangs you she'll always bang you. Unless you piss her off or give her some reason not to. I don't consider myself to have a "stable" but there are girls that I've seen a few times and things just kind of ended on their own or never really took off with no official "break" but I could call any one of them tomorrow and I know they'd meet me for dinner with implied sex afterward of they weren't seeing someone and half of them would see me if even if they were seeing someone.

So I guess there is all this Seeking sucks and no it doesn't debate of late. And at the risk of being labeled a fanboy I will say another reason it's awesome. Because once you hook a seeking girl your can repeat repeat repeat. Even at long intervals. I still see Alexa when I am in town and we met in 2019. And she is still hot AF.

Case in point. Last couple days been in contact with my regular home girl from 2020 2021. Lots going on in her life (their lives are sooo interesting compared to our upper middle class suburban lives!) and she's at a point where we lightly reconnect. Then suddenly she asks if I want to meet for a drink tonight and it's on. Just a get reacquainted drink but sooooo much fun. And a sex date for Sunday. Nice!

Yeah. A fan. But maybe that's just me.

[Steve 9696]

So I guess there is all this Seeking sucks and no it doesn't debate of late. And at the risk of being labeled a fanboy I will say another reason it's awesome. Because once you hook a seeking girl your can repeat repeat repeat. Even at long intervals. I still see Alexa when I am in town and we met in 2019. And she is still hot AF.

Case in point. Last couple days been in contact with my regular home girl from 2020 2021. Lots going on in her life (their lives are sooo interesting compared to our upper middle class suburban lives!) and she's at a point where we lightly reconnect. Then suddenly she asks if I want to meet for a drink tonight and it's on. Just a get reacquainted drink but sooooo much fun. And a sex date for Sunday. Nice!

Yeah. A fan. But maybe that's just me.

[VanessasClient]

That's the page I'm on. Works amazing for me and a few other guys I know (even in the US) but to be clear I ENJOY the process. I enjoy browsing girls. I enjoy chatting nightly with a shortlist of hotties. I enjoy the date as well as the sex. So the whole thing works for me. But may not for you. And yeah $100/ mo is a tiny fraction of my girls budget. I'm no fool like when I am not traveling I let it lapse. But when I am traveling it's just a cost of doing of business and I don't even think about it.

Well, I guess just from my way of thinking, if you are willing to drop that much money, why bother looking overseas? There's plenty of beautiful talent in the USA for $1,000+ an hour. That to me just screams rip off when I can find women just a pretty for less than 150 euros an hour, along with the hassle of flights, hotels, and all the other time consuming activities associated with long distance travel. I'm on this forum because it's ISG. If I were interested in still pursuing the USA, I wouldn't be here. In any case, I suppose I'll give Seeking another shot the next time I'm out of the country, assuming my other girl isn't accessible to me at the time.

[The Cane]

To be clear I ENJOY the process. So yeah def not 99.99% when I lay it out. Looks like about 10% of girls are worth talking to initially and that drops to 5% worth getting serious with.

OK, so let's make it a 95% fail rate then (again I'm only talking about in the States because that's what I know). For me and plenty of other guys that's still way, way, way too high. You do indeed have to enjoy the process to be willing to put up with that. As is oft said, to each his own.

[Steve 9696]

Honestly man Seeking just isn't your jam. And that's ok. You have another jam.

It's not the budget option, straight up. If you're not spending upwards of 5000 a year on this, and probably much more, you're probably not having the experience as it's intended. There are budget girls in the Seeking game but they're really just escorts in the site. In the US, dinner hotel and a gift will set you back 600-800 dollars per instance. Once you know a girl you can maybe skip the dinner. Or maybe she comes to your place. Or maybe your company pays your hotel. Everyone's situation is different. But one thing is for sure. If you're looking for pussy value, this just isn't the place for it.

That's the page I'm on. Works amazing for me and a few other guys I know (even in the US) but to be clear I ENJOY the process. I enjoy browsing girls. I enjoy chatting nightly with a shortlist of hotties. I enjoy the date as well as the sex. So the whole thing works for me. But may not for you. And yeah $100/ mo is a tiny fraction of my girls budget. I'm no fool like when I am not traveling I let it lapse. But when I am traveling it's just a cost of doing of business and I don't even think about it.

Just to set the record straight on the 99.99% is bullshit that was clearly a bit of hyperbole. We've talked about our success rates before but mine goes something like this when traveling to a big city.

Browse daily for several weeks. Prob see over 100 girls in the list and end up contacting 10.

Of that 10 get into serious chat with 3-5.

Of that 3-5 I usually settle on 2 that I plan to see and work a deal with.

Schedule fave for night 1 and second for night 2. Repeat with fave of the two remainder of week.

So yeah def not 99.99% when I lay it out. Looks like about 10% of girls are worth talking to initially and that drops to 5% worth getting serious with. And 95% awesome in person after I choose and seal the deal.

[AmericanPi]

Right now $96.99 a month is the lowest they go with a 3 month commitment. But again, you can buy a P411 subscription for $180 a year, which breaks down to $15 a month. Plus the criminal background check badge only last 6 months, then you have to pay to have your background check processed again. Maybe I should try using the damn service outside of the USA, and I'll have more luck.
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Honestly man Seeking just isn't your jam. And that's ok. You have another jam.

It's not the budget option, straight up. If you're not spending upwards of 5000 a year on this, and probably much more, you're probably not having the experience as it's intended. There are budget girls in the Seeking game but they're really just escorts in the site. In the US, dinner hotel and a gift will set you back 600-800 dollars per instance. Once you know a girl you can maybe skip the dinner. Or maybe she comes to your place. Or maybe your company pays your hotel. Everyone's situation is different. But one thing is for sure. If you're looking for pussy value, this just isn't the place for it.

[VanessasClient]

Seeking doesn't cost "hundreds of dollars a month" unless you opt for platinum or whatever it is called membership. Premium membership is all you need. It is about 100 usd a month, but they always send me discounts and coupons. Last time when I renewed I paid $68. Also, there is no need to renew every month. Renew as you need it, collect phone numbers and over time you will have a decent contact list. Heck, most dating apps cost like 25-30 usd a month. Paying extra 40-50 bucks is not a big deal to me and won't break my bank. If it is a big deal for you, stick to cheaper options.

Right now $96.99 a month is the lowest they go with a 3 month commitment. But again, you can buy a P411 subscription for $180 a year, which breaks down to $15 a month. Plus the criminal background check badge only last 6 months, then you have to pay to have your background check processed again. Maybe I should try using the damn service outside of the USA, and I'll have more luck.

I think the disconnect here is the results, compared to the method of finding. I met my "improvised novia" in Europe on an appointment that almost didn't happen. Found her on Euro Girls Escort, free to clients. Saw her for 2 dates there, lasting 1 hour each. I asked her for her personal phone number and real name, which she was willing to provide. I kept in touch with her after I left Europe, and she went back to South America shortly after. Less than 6 months later she's offering to travel to another country with me for nothing other than a "tip" as long as I paid for all of her accommodations. But a tip of an unspecified amount. Since the tip was at my discretion, I couldn't possibly say not to her, because if I was a rude bastard, I could literally have given her a single penny, which technically is a denomination of money, albeit the lowest one. Thankfully I'm not an inconsiderate scoundrel, so she didn't get just a penny. But what I didn't experience was some pathetic gringo rodent who wanted $5,000 a night on top of paying for accommodations.

The point is, that didn't require me signing up for a site that is $100 a month and spending days or weeks trying to find someone like that. Maybe I just got lucky. If I was convinced I was going to find girls like her by getting on Seeking, then yes I'd be back on there. What I have found from interacting with her over time, is that building a connection like this takes a certain amount of trust, and more to the point, the willingness to take risks. Ever since I met her there were multiple points in time where things could have gone very wrong, and even one occasion where they did, though I was able to remedy it. If I had met her online via Seeking, and even video chatted with her, I doubt that would have the same effect as spending a mere 2 hours with her in person. Unusual circumstances I guess you could say.

And the only reason I'm here and browsing around is because she's stuck back in Europe again, and taking a 9+ hour one way flight for me is not an option every weekend, or even every month. There's another 9 goddamn hours back to the USA along with all the hassle of transatlantic flying. On the other hand, Central America is close enough that I could visit once a month. I just need something to tide me over until I can see her again. The last time I saw her was in July when I went to EU. If she were accessible to me on a regular basis, all of this would likely be a non issue Have you tried going more than 4 months without sex? Jaja. I'm not at all inclined to touch the filthy pigs in this area, as it's kind of insulting compared to what I can get overseas. Such is life *sigh*.

[The Cane]

I disagree with your and Steve's 99.99% statistics. Sure, there are hardcore pros, druggies, thieves, scams, uglies, etc but it is your responsibility to weed them out. Once you learn how to do that, life becomes much easier. If I manage to weed out 95% of the girls and only get to meet the remaining 5%, guess what my success rate is? Probably 70%-80%. Meaning 7 or 8 girls out of every 10 that I get to meet are good enough to repeat with. Decent chemistry, GFE and all the bells and whistles. 2-3 girls out of 10 would be meh, but nothing horrible (maybe just a lack of chemistry, or sex didn't happen due to various reasons, period, didn't feel well, got drunk, etc.) Weeding them out takes some time and patience, but it is a must thing to do. And as you gain experience, you will become much more efficient at it. Chat, FaceTime if need be, ask questions, ask social media accounts, photos, look for red flags and listen to your gut. Also, find out in what cities or countries Seeking works best and use it there. We all know Seeking sucks in the States, along with Tinder, so why even bother?

So tell us more then. Or, do you consider your methods to be "trade secrets"? What specific questions do you ask? What do you do with their social media if you gain access to it? What have you found to be red flags? You get "that feeling" in your gut from what? In any event, your last sentence backs up everything I've said. You essentially said that using Seeking in the States is so useless why even bother with it! That sounds like a 99.9% failure rate to me bro. RonhinCruz chimed in to challenge that level of failure too, but importantly he also said he doesn't use Seeking in the States, and the only place I’m talking about is the States because that’s the only place I’ve used it. So neither one of you added a thing to take away from my position based on my real world experience. In fact, you just strengthened it by agreeing that Seeking is worthless in the States, the only country I've been talking about. That said, I'm interested in hearing more about your screening tactics should you want to share in the event I find myself in another country and in the mood to try Seeking there (not likely when I can go to Scandallo or Oase LOL).