Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

How would you rate LA in terms of success rate? This has piqued my interest: a large metropolis with a high amount of pros means a decline in the success rate of scoring a gem and thus considerable more effort. This however does not apply to Vegas even though it should be full of pros. I wonder how LA compares in all of this.

I hate LA, so I haven't been there in years. So, I have no idea. Sorry, man.

[Midwestern]

Not directly related to this thread, I got a kill two birds with one stone idea and now I have a Portuguese tutor who is a model from Brazil. She is basically a teenager so I am just enjoying the lessons and the view, nothing sexual going on and I don't plan to ruin it. With makeup on, she is a 10 easy but I meet her without makeup, in street or gym clothes she is still beautiful but in a different way. LOL. I think she has a lot of free time before her next assignment and that is why she became my tutor. I don't want to write too much right now as it is still ongoing. Her fee for the lesson is reasonable. She is still able to move between countries currently so I think she must be in demand to be able to do that, probably make significant amount of money too but I just treat her like a normal person and never ask her anything outside the scope of the lesson. Everything I know about her is thru the lesson when she try to teach me the language, like how to introduce oneself. I basically think she is out of my league. Haha.

If good tutors are plentiful, then I suggest you give her a nice gift next time, just to show your appreciation. But the gift also signals your willingness to spoil her. Then, later that night, text her that you like her, and see what happens. If she says she likes you too, then you're golden. If not, then kill the sting with some whisky and move on. I think you have everything to gain and nothing to lose, but only if good tutors are plentiful. Good luck.

[Nounce]

Not directly related to this thread, I got a kill two birds with one stone idea and now I have a Portuguese tutor who is a model from Brazil. She is basically a teenager so I am just enjoying the lessons and the view, nothing sexual going on and I don't plan to ruin it. With makeup on, she is a 10 easy but I meet her without makeup, in street or gym clothes she is still beautiful but in a different way. LOL. I think she has a lot of free time before her next assignment and that is why she became my tutor. I don't want to write too much right now as it is still ongoing. Her fee for the lesson is reasonable. She is still able to move between countries currently so I think she must be in demand to be able to do that, probably make significant amount of money too but I just treat her like a normal person and never ask her anything outside the scope of the lesson. Everything I know about her is thru the lesson when she try to teach me the language, like how to introduce oneself. I basically think she is out of my league. Haha.

[DramaFree11]

Arrive late Thursday after major drama at the border, I learned a valuable lesson, checks count as cash, I will save the details for another day. I meet a new girl from SA, we have a couple drinks goes well she is a solid 6. 5-7, I try to get her to go up to the room after 30 minutes she say no, one more drink. After 90 minutes she wants to go, but one of my regular is on the way the is 7-7.5, so I tell her we can meet in the morning. She shows up 10:30 am, one hour of sex, she total freak. Hopefully we are having a threesome, we will see. The regular shows up at 10:30, great night, we have 2 sessions.

The trip off to a good start more details to follow.

[DramaFree11]

Not sure I ever posted this experience. I cut out all the Diva girls and civvy dates to stay on topic. Here's the SA part.

For my final night I've decided even tho I love going dancing with Pam and having sex with an escort before or after, I really want the full package where the dancing LEADS TO the bedroom. So I start hitting Seeking Arrangement hard, actually starting in the Uber after I leave Pam. Right after I arrive at my hotel that night I hit upon a Colombian hottie but I don't hear back till she texts me back around 3 am.

I know this is a super risky move going to SA since it's hit or miss, and it could be a fail at the dinner table or in the room but I want to take the risk to have the reward of a blowout final night. And (spoiler alert!) a blowout it is.

So I explore all the options (limited) but manage to engage Tana (the Colombiana) in a dialogue that leads to pay dirt. She agrees to see me for 350 for 4-5 hrs of unrushed fun. Dinner dancing and room time. This seems high based on my SA experience to date, but my alternative had been Noleta at straight up Diva pricing of 450 for what would have to be a rushed 3 hours (or 600 for 4 hours yikes!) so I am Ok with her price.

Well the price turns out to be 1/2 off because she says it's her friends birthday and can she come too? At first I think she is trying to upsell me to 700 but she confirms no price change. A two for one deal. Two girls for four hours for 350 . Now THATS a deal (in London) OK baby, it's on!..

Wow, you had an good experience with Colombians, I can not say the same. When I find out they are Colombian, in MTY I usually run for the hills now. They usually think they are way hotter then what they actually are and there attitudes, demands are worse. Love the Mexican girls, no more Colombians for me.

[Pessimist]

That could work if it's not so specific.

San Francisco a very good example. It kind of hit me like a V8 (if one knows this old commercial). Many affluent tech guys with laboring social skills being hustled by more worldly SBs. Of course the more you climb the money ladder, the more you would expect SBs to be motivated.

I always wondered why many of the hottest girls from boonies in Nebraska, or Mississippi or Idaho etc would not move to San Fran to find a rich, nerdy dude as opposed to going to LA in search of a movie career that never happens and half of them end up in porn or into some hourly wage waitress gigs. The bay area is such a good pond to catch rich, nerdy, easy fish if you are a cute 22 year old blonde LOL.

[Oneminuteboy]

Your numbers are great! Thank you for that addition. Am I right to assume that these numbers should apply to the whole of NL?

It differs. I've talked and met from the major cities. But also from the smaller towns. The more serious ones will sit around this number.

The less serious ones or gold diggers will be far above it.

[Ailton]

For example, it takes a ton of time to find a gem in SF (Low Success) especially given the SD competition and the many WGs on there, but pretty easy to find a nice SB in Portland and Las Vegas (High Success).

How would you rate LA in terms of success rate? This has piqued my interest: a large metropolis with a high amount of pros means a decline in the success rate of scoring a gem and thus considerable more effort. This however does not apply to Vegas even though it should be full of pros. I wonder how LA compares in all of this.

[Steve 9696]

Well I started with SA in London with the Coluombianas due to a unique situation. I'the flown Valentina from Buenos Aires to London after being smitten with her in BA and she dumped me on arrival! Fuck me. So I went to drown myself in Diva girls. And did. I did 9 diva visits including the legendary Melty. Meanwhile I happened upon two civvies that I wooed a bit but did not end up in the sack. One, Pamela, I would take to dinner and dancing but she was not DTF so I'the go have a Diva girl. So my last night I was determined to have the best of both worlds. An awesome date that leads to sex. And the Colombianas delivered in spades!

Next time I decided I liked the mix and match and was only in London one day. So I saw a Diva girl, an SA girl, and an Olina girl. It was quite the day!

Not sure I ever posted this experience. I cut out all the Diva girls and civvy dates to stay on topic. Here's the SA part.

For my final night I've decided even tho I love going dancing with Pam and having sex with an escort before or after, I really want the full package where the dancing LEADS TO the bedroom. So I start hitting Seeking Arrangement hard, actually starting in the Uber after I leave Pam. Right after I arrive at my hotel that night I hit upon a Colombian hottie but I don't hear back till she texts me back around 3 am.

I know this is a super risky move going to SA since it's hit or miss, and it could be a fail at the dinner table or in the room but I want to take the risk to have the reward of a blowout final night. And (spoiler alert!) a blowout it is.

So I explore all the options (limited) but manage to engage Tana (the Colombiana) in a dialogue that leads to pay dirt. She agrees to see me for 350 for 4-5 hrs of unrushed fun. Dinner dancing and room time. This seems high based on my SA experience to date, but my alternative had been Noleta at straight up Diva pricing of 450 for what would have to be a rushed 3 hours (or 600 for 4 hours yikes!) so I am Ok with her price.

Well the price turns out to be 1/2 off because she says it's her friends birthday and can she come too? At first I think she is trying to upsell me to 700 but she confirms no price change. A two for one deal. Two girls for four hours for 350 . Now THATS a deal (in London) OK baby, it's on!

And I would say we have a top 5 "full experience" kind of night. They both show up at VietFood (where I am repeating) and Tana is clearly a solid 9+. She's a little slim for me, but her face and hair are boner-producing perfection. OMG way prettier than her pics. And Liliana not as much. A 7 without her glasses and a six with them. But what a lovely sweet girl and she loves to dance. And way more affectionate than Tana holding hands and snuggling up against me at various points. They are a great team Tana brings the optics and Liliana brings the GFE. LOL.

We have a nice intro dinner where I teach them how to use chopsticks and they do quite well. I am a pretty good dinner companion and we fall into it effortlessly. Just three old friends having dinner. Great fun and great food. Honestly the best I've eaten in ten years.

We have a grand time at Bar Soho and GAY but we are now 2. 5 hours in and Tana suggests we go to the room, which is a good idea because we'll be 3 hours in by the time we reach the hotel. Possibly the highlight of the whole thing is the pedal cab ride home! (They have these bicycle powered rickshaws throughout Soho). We have cracked a bottle of wine and are drinking it from the bottle and they are cranking the Colombian tunes and singing along. Me as the creamy filling between the two hotties. OMG the funnest thing.

The sex is great but in a funny way. We're cuddling on the bed, Tana in just her thong (wow!) and Liliana fully clothed. I don't think much about this till later but that was odd for Liliana to stay clothed. She's got a slight baby pooch so she may not want to be naked with Tana the slim goddess right beside her. Who knows? It's ok because Liliana is the BBBJ specialist (fully clothed) as Tana is the optics dancing now fully naked above me.

Eventually Tana fully engages for the sex part and it's quite great. She is soooo fucking beautiful and if you like slim, her body is a perfect ten. Looking at her eyes and smile while you fuck her in mish is legendary. And rare excellent pussy feel in all three positions did lazy dog rather than traditional. Oh and she added in some RCG and ACG for variety. In the end a BJHJ combo finish with Liliana strong on BLS (first of the week!) and Tana alternately kissing me deeply and just looking at me super sexy, enjoying me enjoying Lilianas excellent BBBJ (OWO). OMG did I say Tana was beautiful? That girl is dynamite.

A good 20 minute cuddle in a Liliana, Steve, Tana sandwich after climax. Sweet girls and 4 hours in total. I was completely and deeply satisfied.

And so that concludes the London adventures of Steve. I came expecting to fuck one girl meaningfully and repeatedly the entire week. Instead I partied with random girls and had meaningless sex over and over again. There are worse things!

PS. I know there are always concerns about being robbed or scammed and we should be vigilant. But I accidentally left and open envelope with over $2000 in various currencies on the bedside table while I was showering afterwards. They didnt touch a penny. Sweethearts.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for sharing. Those are good experiences. I do remember your Diva reports. What drives your decision to pick Diva or SA girls when in London? I figured you liked Diva so much that you would probably go with them all the time when visiting in London, so perhaps SA is a change up? Its kinda like when in Frankfurt or NRW, I will hardly bother w / SA because my entire schedule in those places is around visiting FKKs.

Well I started with SA in London with the Coluombianas due to a unique situation. I'the flown Valentina from Buenos Aires to London after being smitten with her in BA and she dumped me on arrival! Fuck me. So I went to drown myself in Diva girls. And did. I did 9 diva visits including the legendary Melty. Meanwhile I happened upon two civvies that I wooed a bit but did not end up in the sack. One, Pamela, I would take to dinner and dancing but she was not DTF so I'the go have a Diva girl. So my last night I was determined to have the best of both worlds. An awesome date that leads to sex. And the Colombianas delivered in spades!

Next time I decided I liked the mix and match and was only in London one day. So I saw a Diva girl, an SA girl, and an Olina girl. It was quite the day!

[WyattEarp]

For example, it takes a ton of time to find a gem in SF (Low Success) especially given the SD competition and the many WGs on there, but pretty easy to find a nice SB in Portland and Las Vegas (High Success).

That could work if it's not so specific.

San Francisco a very good example. It kind of hit me like a V8 (if one knows this old commercial). Many affluent tech guys with laboring social skills being hustled by more worldly SBs. Of course the more you climb the money ladder, the more you would expect SBs to be motivated.

[Midwestern]

This would be a very difficult task. You would be quantifying the almost totally subjective. Beyond the dollars and euros, there is a lot of game involved. I suppose one can make generalizations about a city, but I think that would have limited use. Some guys are also good screeners as well as good communicators.

I totally agree with you, but I also agree with Akinono that this would be a useful piece of information. Maybe we can just generalize it to High Success, Medium Success, Low Success.

For example, it takes a ton of time to find a gem in SF (Low Success) especially given the SD competition and the many WGs on there, but pretty easy to find a nice SB in Portland and Las Vegas (High Success).

[Pessimist]

There is definitely limited data on London so guessing he used my reports. I think it makes sense that there is limited data because the Diva agency girls are awesome And well priced. So you really have to be after the full dinner etc experience to bother with SA. My two SA experiences in London were as follows (happy to report full reports if you like):

1 Oct 2019 Desperate for the full date experience. Found a Columbiana at the last minute. She wanted 350 which seemed high to me but I went with it. It was her friends birthday so she came too. End up with four hours of dinner dancing drinking and sex with a seven and a nine. It was a great deal in the end.

2 Feb 2020. Again quite last minute. I was using the "I'm going dancing in Soho. Join me. " approach and got several bites. Finally settled on complete non-pro but she wouldn't budge below 250 . Came straight to my room but was a slow starter. Two hours of drink and chat and then 2 hrs of non stop amazing sex. Solid 8. 5.

So I've gotten extremely good value. But maybe lucky. Certainly a four hour duo for 350 doesn't happen every day!

Thanks for sharing. Those are good experiences. I do remember your Diva reports. What drives your decision to pick Diva or SA girls when in London? I figured you liked Diva so much that you would probably go with them all the time when visiting in London, so perhaps SA is a change up? Its kinda like when in Frankfurt or NRW, I will hardly bother w / SA because my entire schedule in those places is around visiting FKKs.

[DramaFree11]

Thank you for these numbers. Mongering in Russia must be an adventure!

Yes, it was heaven, but Russia girls are lazy and love there holidays. For those reasons I kins of prefer MTY, girls are a little bit more grounded and realistic. Russian girls live in a fantasy world when it comes to money.

I do miss the Discos in Moscow, but those days are over, maybe for a long time. Each time I would go back less and less people were going to the night clubs, for all different reasons. They were only good on Fridays and Saturdays were hit or miss.

[WyattEarp]

What would be of great help in filling out the chart is some indication of the success rates in the various places. It is one thing to find a data point. It is entirely another thing to know how much chaff you have to sort through to get a good SB. It will always be a chore, but some cities / countries are more target rich while others are simply not worth the effort. That is why a WG is a good option. You don't have to nego and sex is a sure thing. In any case, thanks to all for providing much needed data and experiences.

This would be a very difficult task. You would be quantifying the almost totally subjective. Beyond the dollars and euros, there is a lot of game involved. I suppose one can make generalizations about a city, but I think that would have limited use. Some guys are also good screeners as well as good communicators.